ROSH CHODESH ON EREV SHABBOS - WHAT'S DIFFERENT - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

Many times the topic here in the morning kai is on the d we're learning the yuma some of the times it's on the par the last two weeks and sometimes the sh the topic is and today's sh I would like to speak about but something in particular that falls out on a Friday a very interesting shil the gammor says base that if somebody forgot to dra you missed last night's m you have to d chakras twice today even if you forgot a like today Friday afternoon I'm not talking about you forgot on Friday Shabas twice even though it's not even the making for and Friday night it's a shab still you missed a you have to make a and d twice so you miss on a Friday le shabas you're going to d twice and the same things up Gomorra also if you miss a davening min shabas afternoon tomorrow afternoon a person was no one woke him up he slept through shab very short shabas afternoon you wake up it's already matzah shabas deep into mat shabas you come here the shiners these late but you missed if you're two even though this of is not is not is not a shabas. Clear? Very clear. That's the garis. Tyus goes into a different case. And before going into the case of typhus, let's just make a very simple hakda. If somebody forgot y today by shakus and it's Friday afternoon twice, right? If somebody forgot by and it's two days, which means the night the is still twice. That's clear. That's not a shis. You missed y. If you missed y last night, you don't damage chakras twice. Why not? Because you don't you don't have to dive in over. But if you miss yalo and the next that you're going to dive in is going to be also a y twice. However says from if you miss the next is already a day like today or even if is on a Monday and Monday night is no longer you forgot by and then my river ready is notes says over there you do not and my twice. Why says Tyus may what are you going to gain? What are you going to gain by davening a second? You're not saying anyways. So says if you forget by [snorts] and the next is no longer you do not in a second that's what says Tyra is going on the Gabbor that the Gar says if you forgot today twice a it's a different says it's true it's a But what you're going to be is you missed the you're repeating you're tonight two by you just missed when my comes what are you going to gain by ding a second you dine already the only thing you're missing is yo if the only thing you're missing is of you're not you're not adding the other anyways. It's Tyus brings the riff and the rash says the same thing that no you do say a second onesh. Why do you say a second onesh? Why why would you say a secondh? Because when you didn't say you you missed you missed the ding twice says we're just going to sum it up we were holding the g for the whole if somebody forgets when it comes you says you Don't dine because what are you going to gain by saying at second you you're ding again cuz you didn't say yeah anyways not saying that's the rush argues and says you do say a second why when you didn't say you didn't d so maybe you say a second just to explain the stipler The stip explains the is how do you define is the said we want to be mas it's a hcara it's not a part of it's a hcara or is yay a part of and that's the says y is not a part of y is a you have besides they plugged in a so if you forget y you definitely have to daven over but it's not the chis you didn't d yet however you didn't you don't have the hcara of course you can't just get up in the middle of nowhere and sayar has to be part of so you ding over says what are you gaining you didn't say but what do you gaines dinging over again a second you already said the only thing you're missing is a and you're not doing that anyways however the rash learns that if you miss y of it's not shot is y is y is a part of and if you miss y it's like you didn't say so if you didn't say it's like the gor if you didn't say you didn't dab you of shabas twice so if you didn't say y even during the week you didn't say you didn't say the rush you say twice twice Even though you're not mentioning because you missed your part missed, you didn't miss. You just didn't say. So what are you domining again? You didn't say you didn't you're not going to say anyways. We're going to soon get to and then we'll see why it's in particular relevant for today. But first in the Shila itself, let's break it down a little bit and bring out the bring out this Shila with a few initi he took over yes after Shapiro and he says a few in this number one he says if somebody forgets Y of the Y do you have to do Chuva Even even not from from one day to the next. Today is a person and he forgot y the is you have to d over clearly you have to d you have to do chuva for the that you d that you didn't say y if you learn that it's a perfect you just missing the hcara and the only way to say is to d again And then you just didn't say again. Of course, you're not supposed to do it. But if you forget, so you dive in again for that. But if you learn like the rush then when you miss your whole is invalid in the but for all the is not it's a perfectly good missing again that's one after another says you're not allowed unless you're maybe in your house if you You know, you know how to say it loud. But if it's only you could say loud. So you could say it loud. So wears the big nobody in every you don't say it loud. But he says a lot of people do say loud. They want to remind everybody else. say so says how loud even two words also so he says but it's not the that's another >> very good very good I don't know what that gather is but if we're going if I don't know if we're we get to it but the saint tal also is a big sh what's together maybe we'll get to it very it's really a full she's tak is that we'll get to that as well also have to be but yeah would be the same thing coming up now so if it's then we understand but if it's part of he says it's questionable that even two words to prevent having >> yeah you're saying good you're saying that so I don't know when you say talis or not for an example you're not allow to talk out [snorts] let's say by after after by you could give aim you could say differently in the morning one spoke about it by night you could say You're not allowed to talk out but so you're saying over here the to remind people yeah >> but the brings out the point very well the brings out that look but you're saying could be those two words I was just he gives that example but it brings it out nicely where's no one says the whole of loud bats but that's the point if it's a part of you can say it loud if it's our story you could if someone were to give a clap in the middle you go why is it called oh It would be submission. Someone even had to say a few words. >> Somebody >> when you're a middleman right if someone were to give another clap while feel whoever it is someone like why is that guy clapping? Oh that be >> he's saying there's another way how to do it by clapping not saying it >> if someone say it out loud. >> I need someone a minute to remember what he's supposed to say. Good. >> Yeah. Another napkamino. Another nafgamino would be when do you have to repeat my If you forget y of y byes. If you forget my you forget y byesh. You don't have to denov. When do you have to denov? Both both mus today is only one day the last night >> if you forgot my by you forgot y you don't have to d over and if it's two days you're also my you don't have to d over >> however if you forget you have to d over even you forget you have to have an over what happens means after the first days of Yam and you forgot you have to over you say another thing. So you said already by the first but you forgot y of the other you have to ding over no question. What happens by the second? Do you say again? If you say that the first is invalid. So you say because you didn't have a but if you learn like it's a good you just have to d again to be able to plug in a so you already have a and you already said you're not going to repeat it again. Lastly, a fourth. >> So, what's the on that? So, you wouldn't say it. >> So, he says it would be >> and we're going to get to to see and I'm going to try to remember what you're asking what's going to be. So, we're going to get to it in the I do want to point out brought up very good. What's over here? These are that says and I don't want to he's speaking about a different case but it's the same speaking about a saint but he says regardless you don't repeat it doesn't make a difference but he says for a different reason he says you said it so you already it's like he said that type of idea but says if you don't have a then you repeat but if it's only then you don't Repeat. >> Lastly, >> if you forget it, you don't repeat. Right. >> Right. Right. Right. When the question over here isn't that you should say, but if you forgot the first time you said it, you remember and you said it. The should you say it again in the second one more? He says if a lady forgets a yave d this morning she forgot it's and she ded the regular and she didn't say y she forgot y have to d does she have to d over so he says like this ladies d because they also need boy they also need ramon they need they need the bashes However, is only on when she forgets. If when you don't say, you don't have a she so then she has to d over because she doesn't have a boy. She needs a mash. If you learn that yal of y is just a a plugged in hcara. So she daves. Oh, she doesn't have the hcara. Okay, she doesn't d over because dascara is mama. That'll be a fourth navgamina. So just to recap the four let's call nafgaminas. Number one, if a person forgets yovs over does he have to do chuva on the first? Number two, could you say? Number three, do you repeat the of the first? And number four, if a lady repeats the when she forgets yave, depending if y is a or y is a part of another place, it's the ga theimga brings this. It's not an because in this case it's clearly a says if somebody forgets on Shabas the Friday night meal and the Shabas morning meal he has to bench over it's like you say but if you get you don't bench over says what happens you eating the Shabas day meal. Yeah, it's a very short Shabas afternoon and you're eating the suda. You didn't spit split the meal and the sudo was for bringing and you went into matzah shabas and you're benching now shabas not of shall you're benching now of the dio and you forgot do you bench over you ready you ready then you're reminded you said you said you're not going Say Ritz say do you bench over? >> No, >> I don't think so. >> Why not? Why would you say you don't bench over? Because I mean it's already have like >> so so says the same like what says my what are you going to gain by benching over the first benching you didn't say the second benching you also didn't say like you're saying that you don't bench over but this is all like that you have a benching however you just didn't say the ascara by by benching rit is clearly ascara but this is just to bring out what we had the foreign minister that's by ya is y a part of or it's a hascara however by benching that's clearly zascar and therefore what do you gain if you learn that rit is part of benching and if you forget rit you didn't bench blal so then bench matzah shabas because you never benched on your shabas day suda shabas day or shab >> only shabas day Why? Because if you forget Ritz, you don't bench over anyways. It's aim that you d you're holding your des and it went all the way to Shabas and you benched you didn't say and you have to bench over but you if you're going to bench over you're not saying anyways you said you're not saying so if you're not saying why you benching over but that's only because it's so we have a we have Let's go back to the you forgot by it's do you say two it's so what do you do it's every single what do you do says I have I have a I'll tell you what to do he says an additional A person's allowed to d any time an additional we don't do it but you're allowed to do it. When you do that, you're really supposed to be moist of something in the to show that it's not a regular it's a but over here says the rush brings it that you don't have to be mo of anything because of course you're diving an additional either because or if you're noticing an additional clear so even if you you didn't get enough complicated. It's very simple. If you say over you say over however you make it tonight, you make it tonight with no >> He doesn't say you make it tonight. Doesn't say you make it tonight. Very good. You asked. Hold on a second. He doesn't say anything about making it tonight. just says, "Yeah, what happens if this exact case happened today by you ding ma today you forgot y and you you're holding out Friday night and you know for sure you know you didn't d you didn't say even that's some suffoc you know you didn't say y so what do you do it's If you should dive in on a second tonight, you know, you could dive in. However says the Rambam in the BA migdosh there was no carbon on Shabas being that there's no carbon on Shabas says the Rambam Peter Rambam the Rambam himself says you can't chas a person that wants to domin tonight if you're going to remember you didn't It's different than during the week again. Friday night if you forgot you can't say a second. Why not? because you can't it's just to conclude on this note of again we said these and says my what are you going to gain by tonight or anyway he's not saying the isek what's the invit Whenus says does mean that you're not saying or means that it's the exact same as what you said by you get it through when says the whole we're talking about for the past half hour says my what do you gain by dvening over aery You're ding and you didn't say you'reing now. You're not saying you don't gain anything. What are you not gaining? Are you not gaining because you're not saying or you're not gaining because it's the exact same like says that is tonight. Tonight, you know what you're gaining? You're not gaining by saying y because tonight you're not saying y it's already notes but you know what you're gaining you're saying a different so he says in there'll be enough what's the when says does mean does mean you're not going to gain anything because you're not saying so tonight you're not saying or it's a repeat of saying. So he says tonight you're going to say a different maybe will agree that tonight you would say clearly during the week you'll say a second you will not what we did not get to maybe is what's the gather of the saint is the saint talam the same discussion like yava. There's no time to go into the examples. Is the same talam for sure or is tal for sure of three different about it a separate discussion. We spoke today about that explains is a or if y is is a separate it's a ma aara that they plugged into a good kesh and a wonderful shabas.