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So I don't know. I I don't know. And I think it's very foolish to say that they're all trades because how do you know? How do you know? Um you haven't explored them. I know yishkite is true. You can prove that. [snorts] And sometimes bigger religions like Christianity bill more than a billion people. They're grappling with the same issue. So they came to terms with evolution. It's not a challenge. And and they read it into the same text. Aran wrote about this. I think in people they were exposed to that. Then I was thinking about the like what is this Canadian? But then I finally decided this idea of cayenne killing he this is such a horrible idea. Humanity just begins. These are right and are like and is like this who lives to be a thousand. So how bad can cayenne be and he kills his brother? I mean this doesn't happen in the worst of societies now. So what are we what's going on here? He didn't even know what he was doing. >> But but if he's such a sadic, how how stupid can you be? That's the question, right? So he But then then you're very if you're such a >> Didn't it say that like he kept like hitting him cuz he didn't know how to kill him? >> That's a medish. But is the medish really midrash go every which way? The so he doesn't know if he's so smart and you know everything. How could you not know that you're killing somebody? And then on top of that, Kai isn't really punished. You kill your brother. So he goes to Galis. You know, you go to Gaul for killing mash. This is a this is killing on purpose and it's killing a brother. It's a really bad story. So is there a shot? So I'm going to I'm telling you this >> daddy also raped [clears throat] his wife too. >> Right. So that's not in the Pik. It's not in the P. The madrashim you know you know um >> goes many different ways on the same thing. >> Right. The only conclusion we just come to, >> right? That in terms of >> in terms of uh >> oh, we're we'll do that next week. Is actually that's a story that is soan and we'll do that next week. That's next week. We'll do that next week. Did we ever talk about that? So that is actually is a really correct tich you know I remember someone reading a reading a biography of somebody who went to an orthodox shul and he said the rabbi got up in shul and I'm not sure that this should be recorded but it's okay the rabbi got up in sh and he said there are two opinions about whether um whether kanan um whether I'm sorry castrated his father or whether he satomized his father right either he he raped his father >> oh somizes rape is raped, right? When you're man or or he castrated, which means he he he he did he really which >> more than a birth, >> right? No, this doesn't happen even in, you know, I don't think that this happens in in anywhere, right? So, it's it's crazy. So, did it happen? Maybe, but we'll there alternative readings. We'll we'll we'll develop them next week. Okay. And the Pik doesn't say anything. The B doesn't say any of this. Pik says he did something to him that was was bad, but [snorts] the P what his son did to him. >> Right. Right. But that's next week. Let's talk about this week because this is really maybe and I want your feedback on this. So before we go ahead and we try to talk about what what kind was doing killing he want to talk about just the way attitudes towards killing other people. We live in the 21st century where the worst thing you can do is kill another person. But for much of history, human sacrifice was normal. We discussed this >> and you had it happening even in our world. There's every word matters, right? So was not our most illustrious leader, right? But tell us he's your leader. Now are not going to tell if your leader is Hitler you follow him. They're not telling you that was not Abraham and he wasn't Misha but he was someone worth following because if he would be Hitler wouldn't tell you sacrifice his daughter now say there are some say he didn't really do it plenty of say he actually killed his daughter and though because he had made a vow to that if he goes into battle and he succeeds in battle he will offer the first thing that comes through his door his thinking was the first thing would be animals cuz when you come to your compound there were animals maybe he was even think human sacrifice would be a slave of his daughter he felt he had to do it he did it even say he didn't do it say he locked her up in the monastery and didn't let her marry so so yak who was a leader practiced human sacrifice at some level come I brought in the okay let's go ahead okay so let's let's start with because it really creates the discussion Where are we? Okay. I don't know what I say where or what I write where, but is here somewhere. Where? Oh, shift him seven. Okay. His daughter is coming up. She's so happy. [clears throat] He He won a battle. He survived. People died in battle. He has She's an only child. He has no other children. He sees him. He rips his garments because he realized that he had said that I have to sacrifice her. And and and his daughter realized this. So what does she tell him? She says, you know, Tati, you promised to sacrifice me. You have to honor your sacrifice. She re she told him, I have to die. But he says you as you would do. and um and simplistically he actually sacrificed his daughter. Now the resham go both ways go both ways but there's a strong indication within the most normal of classic source like David Ezra that he sacrificed his daughter how could such a crazy thing happen and someone be a leader of the Jewish people how is it possible what you see is that human sacrifice is very normal we spoke about this by the aa it was very normal people were accustomed to it okay >> happened after period of the right period of the so many years after but it but it it was never eradicated it now we in our little group we discussed the again a supposition I've shared I share this you should know whatever I go to hotels in terms of residence I share this all the time because I think it's important and you should know I make headway that the we've discussed it here that the greatness of the of the was not that was ready to sacrifice his child and I think I I even won some of you over a little bit right some of you were resistant that I win you over a little bit no you're still a little Um the greatness is when when Abram realized that you're not allowed to do this when he sort of and that he didn't >> when he stopped um it's not I know it's not the way the community thinks I am telling you this causes this big problems we live in our little box you know we my son there's a term that's used in contemporary circles now in college circles called echo chambers right you talk to people who think like you all day so you don't hear another perspective so we live our little from world. We go to our little from Yeshivas. We go to our little from Shouls and in months you do business with your from people and you're buying your from stores. You never talk to anyone who isn't from you speak to someone outside the from world. You tell them I respect a rum because he was ready to sacrifice his son. He'll tell you you're crazy. It doesn't sound well in the the outside a little from world. It's my son saying that he he wants me to buy him something for whatever this. So um so um it it it doesn't resonate well. So is it possible to read the AK that the greatest was of being ready to sacrifice? For sure. Is that the common reading for sure is that the Rambam Rambam for sure I'm not saying it's not the right common reading but you should know there is another reading that's all I'm not telling you. And the other reading is that the greatest is that was not ready that he learned that you're not allowed to sacrifice but he was ready to sacrifice and and he had to learn that this is something you do because this was normal. If you recall, you pointed out multiple times because Abraham doesn't resist. Yeah, sure. But it doesn't stop and say why you tell me to kill my son >> cuz he's so used to it. >> Correct. That's >> because everyone around him was doing this because this is the way the world was. So he heard a voice from saying kill your son. You do it cuz you listen to but the madrasha very very colorful about that. I don't really want to go ahead and and get involved this because we discussed this. But I think what is very very critical is is that there is a very very valuable Kuskuni whereas talks about Kbanus and the Kuskuni says you know what do we need this whole thing of like killing animals and spraying blood is this you know go say tim and help a little old lady cross the street and and and and packabas and deliverab and go to you really need to go ahead and be busy spraying blood. So what does the say we discussed this but um it's for tells you bring animal bring your sacrifice from the animals not from animals from people because the Canaanites we were going to would sacrifice their children so you have to sort of speak to people not to do that because that that was people's thinking so human sacrifice was built in did it very possibly according to many even if he didn't he he locked his daughter into a into celibacy when it's not what she wanted was ready to do it um at least according to one reading I'm not it's not the the great his the lesson was that you're not allowed to do them but it had to be taught that was this needed to be taught this is um um this is the background of the now I want to share a wonderful safer earum that really can change your thinking The safi karm talks about initially the world was vegetarian >> and then it stopped being vegetarian after the flood. Why really like why the change? Right? So what were you taught in school? Why did the world stop being vegetarian after the flood? What are the standard? I mean >> make it easier [clears throat] to live. >> So right right. So so this is the the next ring. We'll come to >> right >> the common reading but >> what >> they blood but the common reading is I was that we save the animals that we eat them there's the Ramban it could be the more I'm a more sophisticated reading there's ao that that the flood that and could be we again I don't know what I discuss where but it's a famouso and a malb that before the flood the nutrition was good and after the flood the world was nutrition was poor I told of how to also there were no seasons the world changed >> there was no so after the flood there were seasons before the flood there were seasons ato so because of that nutrition wasn't good and the truth is when there were seasons in winter what are you going to eat nothing grows you live in Siberia you're in Eskimo what do you eat so you have to eat meat so there's atbaser um there was a certain bloodthirstiness that if you don't let people you know vent it they might use it in a different way so there are lots of reasons why that was given the karma is a very different reading it's revolutionary but makes a lot ofense sense, but I want to add one more piece to the puzzle. You know, um I I I've never been a vegetarian. In in the world, yes world, world, you really don't see it. In the modern reflex world, you see quite a bit of it. You'd see quite a bit of it. Um I once had shabas at meazar cook. Um so I I had the the shabasuda with one of the Russian yeshiva. He was a vegetarian and a shabasuda. >> So it's interesting. I asked them I they say Ruff Cook was not Ruff Cook had a student. >> So Mr. Brewer says what you like but if that's not what you like then there's no reason to. Um Raf Cook had a student called the Nazer. Very interesting man. He was a nuzer. He never cut us here for the rest of his life. He remained a vegetarian his whole life. And [snorts] he was he was a he was um his his um his son was the the chief rabbi of Sharon the chief rabbi he was a son he was a very his daughter married the chief rabbi of Israel Goran some people don't like him some people do like him he was a very sign >> um the nazer's daughter right so the nazer was a um so he was he was about shuva and he sort of felt that they had to recount from his whole life but he was a vegetarian uh but he he pushed it very much but you don't see in world they would look at you as if you're crazy in the modern world you see quite a bit of it um now the says really um the right way to live your life is to be a vegetarian and he brings perfect proof we'll see it inside might come up when we the says when paras let's go back a few paras when the Torah talks about eating meat what does the Torah say what's the language in par when we talk about eating meat It's such a blatant um statement um talks about if if you'll you'll remember if I mentioned the [snorts] [clears throat and cough] translate that phrase for me >> if you crave if you want to eat meat I'm not going to stop you okay >> right that mean what does this means if you need to eat you can eat but what is the person really saying >> you really shouldn't be eating where else does the Torah use language like that. one other place [sighs and gasps] >> um when they ask for it good that would be but there's one very similar case where it doesn't say but it uses >> where is that >> by the is a terrible situation a man goes to war he's attracted by an enemy woman um kazal make it clear he should not marry her and if he marries her bad things will come bad children, bad marriage, bad bad everything, right? Um, all types of bad things. But the terror is not going to stop him because they won't be able to stop him because in battle the the says very sensibly there. It's a really bad thing. The Tyra allows it because if you don't allow, people are going to do it anyway. He's a soldier in battle. He's he has no self-control. You're not going to be able to stop him. So let him marry this woman because otherwise it'll it'll happen anyway in a worse way. But it's a bad thing, right? The says, "Why does the Tyra It's a good question. Where every that counts, why doesn't you're only allowed to do it if you really feel the need. You should really be vegetarian. It's better to be vegetarian." And he says, "We're going to be vegetarian." I don't know if he himself was a vegetarian. um in the >> we're not going to be bringing carbon. [snorts] >> So Raf Cook's answer and again it's an exception. Rav Cook says all the carbonas are going to be m are going to be based on um grain not not um it's again that's not the ding and and please do don't just listen to me. I tell my kids don't just listen to me every week at the Shabas you hear one it speaks you got listen to lots of people and then you should know when you hear different things you actually end up becoming a smart person because you can compare but says that could be but he does say that he says he uses that closing was a great mind some people didn't like him some people didn't like do like him some people don't like me >> I'm telling you come on >> no Oh, really? Dude, [laughter] >> that is impossible. I don't think that >> there's such a thing in >> Okay, [cough] I heard something that on one of the reasons why we eat is because back in the day, >> nobody ate meat, >> right? >> They went back, everyone was healed >> and they went back to because the the was forgiven. But once they did the ael they went back and they invited the knuckles back in their life then that changed right we look it's unflous because they went back >> we're going back to puscazuma yeah absolutely there's so much so many told so the karm says >> if it really meant to be vegetarian what do we stop but you know some will say after the flood we needed as you said some will say there was this bloodthirstiness that you know that that if it wouldn't have been allowed to to vent it would would have gone in worse ctions. Um, IM has a wonderful, wonderful reading and I want you to see it inside. IM says the mabble happened for lots of reasons, but when you go through the madrashim there and the madashim are based on the sukim, what was the prime reason for the marble happening? [clears throat] >> Um, gazel but what else? [clears throat] Right. But what else? And it's really the Pik not so clear >> morality also >> right but what type of morality >> so buser right get every word that there accounts it's not just >> animals >> yeah that people had relations with animals in madrashim are full of it and that's why only some animals can come and other animals couldn't now again that's not clear in the pik butishbaser very powerful phrase every every living thingiality animals were having relations with different types of animals. People were having relations with animals and in a crazy world crazy things can happen. I think um right so so beiality how do you stop beastiality >> which type of person is most likely to have relate to to engage which type of person was accused of having relations with animals historically? People lost their marbles. I don't know. >> People who are crazy. Yeah. But who else? >> They had love for their >> people of love. But people who also >> look >> shepherds. People who associate a lot with animals. I don't know if it's true. But you know, >> the Arabs are known for that. No. >> Having relations with animals could be. Yeah. The um u but people who associate a lot with animals, the line separating them from animals is somewhat blurred. Shepherds don't just slaughter animals. They raise them. They take care of them. They connect with them. So does do every shepherd do most shepherds? I I would think not. I mean, but if this is what they say, you know, in every in every lie there's a little bit of truth. So if there's a stereotype, it's still a stereotype, but usually there's a little bit of truth to it or the stereotype wouldn't come. There might be something there. So if in you know amadvar shepherds are the ones who are most likely to engage in beiality it's because they associate with animals and when you spend time with them and in a certain sense of relationship with them yes something can happen now there's a connection so now let's I want you to hear the idea why did allow us to eat meat after the m >> take away the connection >> bigger than the >> to take away the connection to make the use them as food rather than >> right as you're both saying the same thing to create a clear line between man and animal so it's not going to happen again that's the idea >> interesting >> and then we'll bring it all back to kay and he but first you have to see this carb inside remember because he was a proponent of being a vegetarian he himself >> I don't know what's >> yeah yeah um a very you know a prominent well respected not you know not somebody unknown you know they what mainstream solid. Um the right the question was do we call the rams? Do we um look at successfully as well? He says you had you had isbaser Adam was vegetarian was allowed to eat meat but then when got to we start assuring meat again was allowed to eat all animals we can only eat some didn't have to she can eat milk and meat and suddenly there are restrictions again he's saying we were we were vegetarian we're meant to be vegetarian was a sham because during the time of the m there was a connection between man and animal. It It's not because people were so bad. Could be they were bad, too. But remember, people the world was new. People were very concerned. I would think like some of the liberals who really talk all the day about loving animals could be in that in such a circle too. You know, eventually the line is blurred. So, [snorts] Baru said, "You know what? um we have to sort of fix this. Um and we'll we'll asser will we'll will turn animals into meat so that there's no relationship. So you view them as food. You're not going to have a relationship with something that's food but really you're supposed to be vegetarian. So when the was given began bring us back to its being vegetarian halfway not completely but no only certain animals only only no all types of rules limiting it. Um so um um he talks about cayenne here. Now I want to go back to cayenne and before I offer the idea that really may be wrong. I want your perspective on it. I want [snorts] you to remember human sacrifice in the ancient world was was normal and it wasn't viewed as bad. Now you'll tell me how could you not say human sacrifice is bad? It's a horrible thing. I'll ask you a question that that many non-Jews would ask you. Um, the crusaders are coming to town and if you don't accept Christianity, they're going to kill you. Um, all you have to do is accept Christianity, but you'll be told to kill yourself. Also, it's an interesting discussion. You should know there's a but um normative thinking in Ashkinaz was you let yourself be killed and you kill your children. What? Kill your children? you're killing somebody. So you're saying that you believe religion is more important than human life, right? You say this same for so many other areas, right? Shabas comes, you don't violate Shabas to save a non-Jewish life. Even a Jewish life is a big a non-Jewish life is very valuable. You kill a guy, you put to death. It's not as if, you know, we don't value a non-Jewish life. But chabas is so valuable which means we believe that there are certain things that are more important than human life. Yiddish kite is is so critical and and if you leave the fold it it's it's it's better to give your life. Shabas is so critical sins. >> Three cardinal sins murder adultery yourself not to kill somebody else. So, so Nebuch, >> so people dealt with this with the crusaders with their children and they killed their children. >> Was he right there? >> So, this is a big topic according to the Rambam. Maybe not. According to most, yes, >> right? But but he had to deal with Moheans. >> It was something similar. The Ram dealt with a group of fanatical Muslims. He wrote a letter to Yemen saying, "Go yourself but come back and and [clears throat] live and build a Jewish life afterwards. >> But Muslim is a little different. Okay. >> But but the core but even if Muslim might be acceptable for a nonj for Jew, it is the Rama's core idea is it's not real. Um the idea of means being means being but accepting a religion is not. The Ram is not some people accept it, some people don't. He wrote a whole letter about it >> famous letter >> right um but um that was not the thinking and people did kill their children that was that was the that was the norm and I'll tell you I would never give a shar like this but but sh have been given I think it's a mistake to talk about this even now it's still too early after the war there were children that were hidden in convents they survived because of it >> these are big big questions um >> whether the parents were allowed to do that. >> Um >> if you're giving a well if you're giving a child to a but it's gim you're giving a child to a convent what's going to happen to the child? It's the Holocaust. Everyone's being killed. >> One of those kids means one of them >> one of them Lustiger. One of those kids became the cardinal of Paris, right? So I mean I'm I'm Yeah, you can't talk about it because it just grief. It's too early. But this was a >> kids that were under bait mitzvah. >> Under or over? Same question. You're still I'm giving yama to your taking that that child away from you. I mean you you you can't discuss it. There's too much pain and but you have the ra on one side >> and you know to it gets very black and white in people's eyes that you have to but then just tell them your grandfather was divorced in 1942. What should his mother have done if she had the option? This is right. So these are not they're very simple when you discuss it without making it relevant. But let's come back. So in a world that really believe that if you sacrifice a human, you bring peace to the world. We really believe that if a Jew stays a Jew and he doesn't become a Christian, it's a good thing. And if he becomes a Christian, it's so bad he should give his life or give his child's life. [snorts] Well, that's what we believe. In a world in which people believed in human sacrifice, it was no different. It was the same thing. Yifak absorbed certain non-Jewish values. He must have made it part of his Yiddish because he was a Jewish leader. Yif is still considered a leader. Yif sacrificed his daughter according to many rishav was grappling with it. He thought told him to clearly his thinking was well this might be part of Yiddish. How can it be part of Yiddish? Well, you're saying that sacrificing your child rather than letting him be becoming a Christian is part of Yiddishkite. Letting a guy die rather than save his life. And Shabas is part of Yiddishkite. And again, a gish life is very valuable. A person will be killed if he kills a guy. >> Jew is also, you know, I've killed Shabas for for it's only because >> it's only because that will be able to keep, right? So, it's not >> it's a right or um so that I'll be able to it's >> so accord from Jew's life any any >> I'm saying no it's you need a Pik to tell you that it's it's need to be told and you should know the um you know it's it's not everyone accepted you know the early battles by by the many of them didn't fight back in Shabas because of Shabas even though they died the Ethiopian Jews I don't believe in Shabas still alive that was their thinking it It devolved. They picked it from other sources. But so if you believe in human sacrifice is not such a kadesh is you see by you see the grapplings by Abra. Now I want to come back to um this extraordinary karum. He karum says the great problem by the by the period before the mabble is that people were too close to animals. you needed to distance them and the only way to do that was to um was was to sort of create a clear line in the sand and let the let the animals be food and suddenly you would have no reality but they were very close to animals. Now let's try to understand why Cayenne brought an a carbon from vegetation and he brought the carbon from animals. What was going on inside Cayenne's mind? what was going on inside Heb's mind. >> Um, >> they had the the whole world's in front of them. So, why did Kane choose to bring an animal from a carbon from? >> I I heard that that's the the whole thing of teu of shotness is >> and he sure >> brought [snorts] Sure. >> And then Cen brought the >> beautiful you keep it separate. Right. Right. >> K's bringing his best. Right. [snorts] But the point is but if both of them are the whole I'm thinking that's the reason >> but I want to go a little further. What you just forgive me I have you have to remind me of your name cuz you >> bar. So Barak said what type of carbon are we bring? If indeed we become vegetarians what type of carbon we bring the animals. It's a don't take you know one idea as deep but does say there's room to say it's going to be a carbon now it doesn't sound like that because and but maybe oil is different types of maybe no that's what he says um and is a very very significant source so we maybe bring our because we'll be vegetarian so the will be vegetarian so now let's try is why did Kenyan bring a carbon vegetarian that was vegetarian? Why didn't he bring it from animals? >> Cuz he didn't think it was right. He thought it's immoral. >> Ken held that he owned the ground and anything that was above the ground. >> Okay, there would be another idea. These are all there were so many good ideas, but I think the simplest of reading both of them had the whole world at their beck and call, right? It's it's them. whole world we can talk about early early humanity was like but the past is is just them so what what kind couldn't afford to bring an animal and he could afford to bring an animal maybe these were both people who were trying to do the right thing kind felt they had to bring the best to a kadeshu he felt he had to bring the best the best is animal he says no but you're not let an animal was supposed to be vegetarian >> and so cayenne was coming from a sensible place. He was coming from a sensible place. He was bringing the best carbon he could bring. Cayenne said you're not allowed to do that. You're not allowed to kill an animal. >> Okay. He brings it as a sacrifice to God, not himself. >> Still Cen said even to God if we're vegetarian as Cook said when we'll be vegetarian how he felt he killed his brother. >> We'll get there in a moment. We'll try it all together. Okay. And again, it's only a theory. Okay. Um so the um Iarum says that you had this world in which viality arose. You had a world in which you had this problem already and you had a world in which he brought a carbon that was an animal. Cen brought a carbon that was grainbased and he was trying to do the right thing but it was the wrong thing because he wasn't creating a line between man and animal. And Cayenne's type of thinking would contribute to the beiality that was arising already that >> because if you don't have a line between man and animal then just the way men have to respect animals right and he didn't recognize the [clears throat] animal is not similar to him >> right because he compared an animal to him you're more likely to engage with beastiality got >> that type of thinking I will sort of develop a completely different line of thinking I actually wrote an article about this. I think it's a good one. Um, the Nazi Jim Shimam, it's the most extraordinary thing in the world. Um, maybe the crulest people that ever lived. I mean, it's it's just extraordinary to think of what they did to us just as human beings, just the levels. But at the very same time, the Nazis were the greatest animal lovers in the world. Much of animal rights stems from Nazi Germany, right? They um they had laws when they deported Jews, they had the animals collected and taken for safekeeping. In Nazi Germany, you couldn't um um you know, lobsters are are are you couldn't um you know, lobsters when they're alive. You couldn't do that in Nazi Germany. Fog grow was banned. Um um you there were special rules about how you euthanize animals. There were so many rules about animals [snorts] and you almost wonder and people write about that people have a sort of morality and they were being so cruel one way they had to sort of prove themselves in another way to sort of validate themselves as human beings. But the Nazis are the ones who innovated animal, right? Hitler himself was a vegetarian. I mean, how how crazy is Hitler was a vegetarian. Um >> I heard once said that he I heard Eiffel once said that he doesn't know a hunter could look at a deer and not shoot him. >> Right. Right. I I I saw that as well. Um that line. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. Um yeah. >> So what they were saying is is Jews they're they're below they're sub animals. They're less they're less than. >> So I I think the the mind is funny. So when you start conflating when you start conflating people's and animals you can you can start being worse to people but being very good to animals. So was trying to create this line in the sand during the times of you have beiality. So says no I want you to sacrifice animals so that the line is clear in the sand. Cen [clears throat] didn't get it. Cen was saying no animals are very errupt here. like people and we can't sacrifice them and kind was criticized for that. Okay. And and said no but kind did is wrong. What does look at the and again is it's like learning is a very standard region who's not um so top line. What what's such a big deal? He was a farmer. You bring her from grain. What terrible thing is this? Um, look, go to the second highlighted section. You have to look at this. There's something bad about this. Um, kind is coming from a very sensible place. Killing an animal is not good. But nevertheless, go to the second highlighted section. Nevertheless, if you sacrifice an animal, you realize that people are more than animals and it creates a healthy line in the sand. It differentiates you at you from animals. You're less likely to commit beiality, but at the very same time, you're more likely to value people because if people and animals are alike, you could have relations with animals, but at the very same time, you can be cruel to people. Nazis by going and promoting animals into people were ended up being nicer to animals but that also let them be worse to people because everyone knows you can kill cockroaches. Drew like cockroaches once people and animals are the same. So Akades was responding to K and telling him you did wrong. No, you have to bring sacrifice that isn't just grain sacrifice. You have to bring animal sacrifice. What door did that open in Kenan's mind? >> Human sacrifice. Human sacrifice. If you can kill animals, why can't you kill humans? Human sacrifice was the norm. Yifak did it. According to many Aramina was open to doing it. >> It wasn't sacrifice in hell. He >> who says maybe in his mind it was sacrifice. [clears throat] I want to bring another piece to the puzzle. It's all a maybe. Again, all maybe. Um what in in when they look at human sacrifices, what humans were most sacrificed? What type of human was sacrificed the most? >> So they stud what? >> Children. But which type of children? >> Which what? >> Boys. >> Frequently boys. I think more boys than girls or something. >> Girls twins. Because when twins were born, it was sort of viewed as a sign and come [clears throat] come with me. Again, I this is all maybe, but the beautiful thing about learning today, at least for me, I mean, I and this is the way I raise my kids and I think I think I think despite all of the terrible things I teach them, I think they're going to end up okay. Um um so um look at the bottom of the page, too. They they you live in a time when there's knowledge everywhere. So we know which cultures engage in human sacrifice and they unear crypts in which which they see the relics the debris of human sacrifice. Right here in North America the Mayans the Azex human sacrifice was the norm. But who which children did they sacrifice? Look at 16 at the ancient Maya site of wherever this is um represented by every um um you know you know there's they they've identified second line ritual child sacrifice placed on the ground as young boys many closely related peers and twins [snorts] many of the human sacrifices were twins because stepped into an ancient mind >> you believe >> mangala >> manga experimented on twins um um But step into the mind of an ancient of of someone who's who's a pagan who who who just doesn't know how to think. [snorts] Um if sends two two people twins I have to give one back. Might that make sense? Certainly in the world in which human sacrifice was practiced it was more likely that twins are the ones that are sacrificed or one of the twins is sacrificed. >> What about triplets? >> I I I don't know what they did. I don't know what they did. And maybe Kuzi did too. I I don't know. But here you have evidence that at least in the you know in an era because Mayans and AICS there was tremendous amounts of human sacrifice in Cananan there was some but here it was you know it was standard human sacrifice standard all the time twins especially what was he look at 15 look at the Okay. Not just a twin, part of a a large multiple birth. So, how many were born? I don't even know. But it was many multiple births. And those are the madras. Who did they met? >> They were born with sisters also. >> Sisters, more twins, lots of twins. The madrash. But led there's a strong base. So, let's try to understand. Is Cayenne a monster? Cayenne is [clears throat] not punished that severely. He's not killed. He's sent to gullis and tells him anyone who kills you is going to be punished. It doesn't sound like someone who kills me. >> It sounds like someone who kills but but he's not really fully responsible cuz he thinks he's doing something that's the right thing. >> That's that's how you [screaming] respond to a sacrifice. >> But let me think let's try to understand what the phrase means. um kind respons again either is he stupid he's talking to so is he trying to evade responsibility >> sounds like he's trying to be funny like you know cute like >> right so that's how we read it but then but then then he then comes actually that again could be he is a mushkas but could be I'm offering another approach where he was just trying to figure it out he comes come to a world in which you don't sacrifice animals but animals are almost people right I was going to talk about the I'm going to talk about this there's viality it seems more than there is now new humanity is new well if you can sacrifice animals did human [snorts] sacrifice start yet again you have to ask yourself whether other people lived before kayen and heel this would be another discussion about you know different forms of humanity but um in his mind maybe human sacrifice was not so for foreign he couldn't bring an animal. But now saying you can well if you can't bring an animal well then maybe a person. And then the next piece is it doesn't sound Did he attack he and kill him? Pik doesn't tell you what kind did to >> He [clears throat] was up against him. How about that? >> Okay let's look at the pukim. Let's go to the Pik. >> Where are you? [snorts] >> So the Pik is a very curious Pik and the truth is I'm developing this as we speak. 12 never says what he told me. >> Right. So now the standard reading is that some >> for sure. But there's this >> what are you saying? >> It doesn't say right. But he says something and maybe there's I'm just opening the door again. I didn't sometimes that I haven't fully substantiated to the idea that maybe there were even discussions about this. The is something that is soft something that it's explanatory. U maybe they viewed when approached his daughter his daughter heard that you have to sacrifice him him me. [laughter] She tells the father this is what you have to do. this is the right thing to do. The Pik tells us that Yitzk was ready to be sacrificed because he thought it was the right thing to do. Things have changed. Cen tried bringing a min. That's not the right thing says I know I want something more substantial. Well, A is a twin. Cen is the older brother. Maybe it's the right thing which is unnecessary >> that there's so I I I don't have proof for this at all. I'm coming with sort of the kernel of an idea that I'm developing with you. But what I am offering is um a little bit of more perspective on how people thought of human sacrifice. A little bit more perspective on why Kayen brought the carbon that he brought and what a kadesh was trying to teach him and maybe this is Andre to understand what motivated Ken. I have no base for this but I know it's a very very difficult story. I'm [snorts] offering the kernel of idea that needs to be built on. But is it do I know that it's true? Of course not. But if if you walk away dissatisfied with what I'm saying, I I I'd like to know if there's a more satisfying reading of the story. It's a very difficult story. >> If somebody [clears throat] likes the idea of human sacrifice, just they should sacrifice themselves. >> Why would they do enough? You want to be a sacrifice? Let's we'll we'll take you up forever. You're sacrificing your twin to >> Yeah, exactly. >> Sacrificing your twin is a way of sacrificing yourself. >> Well, Kayen is older. He is younger. Um, >> we know they're not twins. >> There's a discussion. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, but they had their own twins, >> right? The older, so he should sacrifice himself. Maybe not. Maybe. But there's this kind. So the simple reason he said things he said things that were unsubstantial very frequently in the vimemer it means things are unsubstantial. I'm offering I didn't come tonight to give like a really a fully developed idea. I'm sharing a kernel. I'm sharing a question that I would think you wondered about. It just doesn't make sense. Uh and I don't really have a fully developed answer but I have a kernel of an idea that I think can be built up. Okay. [snorts] That's the idea. Dujour. Next week you have Shvraas. >> Um next week I I won't give Shir. not such a side during we have Tuesday my Tuesday night sh is actually in my um >> so maybe we can come there we'll have the sh [laughter] >> um you would you like to do for me it would be meaningful at the end >> I was I was doing >> no it's it's 6 minutes away you know >> it's no one of the it's my community is making Montabella's make um can I be in touch about that um maybe for dessert Good job. [laughter] >> Let's go to dessert. >> Yeah, you have to go. >> What? [laughter] >> Maybe uh um >> No problem. Um >> see I I Yeah, it would be such a nice thing actually. Is that a crazy idea? >> Come say Tuesday belongs to this year. Why not? >> Right. So >> here, [clears throat] >> right? I have to speak to my wife if she likes the >> Look, last week it was Yep. You were here. >> I saw you. >> Well, there was a party here. [snorts] >> But you started it, too. >> Yeah. Um, okay. I'll speak to my wife what she thinks and we'll take something. Okay. Thank you again. And again, try to develop this a little bit. See if you can find sources that work with this or against this. Um, thank you.