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Perek Yom Hakippurim: The Five Inuyim – Any Differences Between Them? Rabbi Nachum Scheiner Shiur
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Shiur from the Morning Kollel at Bais Medrash Ohr Chaim
Categories:Torah/Yamim Tovim
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In the previous year,
we expounded on the ini
theory says
these
of as well as
the Tory says
there's even
in the beginning of the eighth peri
tell us that there are five. Five
to eat, to drink, five.
If you count six
so Rashi says
it's a Gmorrah. It's a Gmorrah. Later
the Gmorrah says that
it's one eating and drinking the eat and
drink is considered one of these five.
upon him. The Tory says that he's
and as the Gmorra goes through there are
in today's
we're going to try to clarify are all
five
or maybe just
and the remainder are
even if you learn that the others are
besides the other ones are also that's
very clear that it's only it's a it's a
a without chorus when the says chorus
the chorus is only for not for the
so we want to know is the is of
without chorus or
right here on the page in the beginning
pretty big about it. He says it's only
it's only
and he says it's only
cuz why is there only
why is there no chorus by the other
three the other other four
why is there no chorus the teres cuz
it's the if it would be then there
should be there should be chorus on the
sharim also
void if the shuim is iso
how could he be a like the Mishna says
later a kala a mel
how could it be a
could wear can be no wear shoes how
could it be a is
we understand but how could be so
his two ries and we'll get back to it a
little bit more by later. But he says
this that there's no chorus. It's not a
that it's the it could be the other is
really
you know why there's no chorus because
when the Tyra says chorus how you we
didn't learn yet the letter of the gor
but the gmorra says that if you refrain
these a person could die the other ones
a person will not die
that's why he's
and the other that he says that it's
Because how could be a
byl.
So that he says the really is only
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even a parter.
So for that said when he's at the
is where they were but where is it's
but back to the
says that it's
I theor
goes through and the gar brings drious.
So he says it's
not.
He even brings the Gmorrah says the
Gomorrah doesn't say on the other. The
Gomorrah says
the Gomorrah doesn't say it's not like
we learn it out from the
So what we have so far clearly is
some these are
only
now
on a on a let's call it on a side note
but it's relevant to what we're talking
about The Tyanim says that really only
would be
you know
because it's it's not it's only
he says what do you mean
if
thera says you're now wash yourself
goofy. So if you're now going to wash
yourself
what are we saying that it's only
and that's why they were make by melat
meaning to say
the the the kala that we're going to be
make that it's not cold goofi not the
whole the whole uh the whole goof up
should be still awesome.
So he himself says two one he says is
that you don't say it only by
you don't
is only by Allah here as we're going to
see later on by the for sure the only
even if it'll be it's only not say why
because like we mentioned before the
laugh who is the laugh the
so that's clear that's a gor there's
nothing what to talk about the garra
says that there is no chorus by the
other four so that's clear there's no
there's no chorus so he says
is only by not by
says that
is only here it's
It's not you don't have so we're back
what the says that it's only
says a different he says this is awesome
even if they'll say it's not only but
it's only when he's a has to be a she
when thera says you now say even if it
would be it's not a shear of
the of because there's no a person has
pleasure. So it's not a she of
won't be awesome in
back to exactly what we're talking about
says that the of the other 40
besides
everything else is only
it's not only the
a A little further down of Zion
also says that it's the Raon the is of
the other 40
wearing shoes
washing himself as
the
says that it's the and the says that's
why he's no chorus. The garra says he's
no chorus. You want to know why? because
it's the
the rash brings from the re the isuam
also the same thing which obviously we
saw twice brings it as well but that
it's the and then he brings a that
quotes
that
it's says
one of the five is to shmear self
and
then it says
in other words
there is no
the Torah as well also says that the of
is only the Raon on
the other four says the two
that are clearly that it's the raid
the saf
learns that it's the risa
the ram
the raam
in the rambom it's not 100% Mafurish but
all theum
clearly learn in the Rambam that it's
the
because the Rambam says
now
could mean that it's a
and sometimes you can learn it's a old
say clearly it's a even when the Rambams
call something on it could still be cuz
the rab calls things
clearly that it's a daisy
learn clearly without a sh it's
on the note on the sheet.
So there are two questions. Number one
that if it's the how could be mut.
So we answer it. We said go
and then there's another shila.
The Gomorrah says
that these the Gomorrah says that
which is known to the Mishna but the
Gmorrah speaks about it that he's a
dinner of these a certain amount of
hours he's supposed to not eat on
seemingly from the Gmorra that the other
the other four
so the Shil is if it's only
like the list of said we understand
if you learn that it's so why would
there not be
by the way the tour says there is on the
we're not getting into that's a
discussion for itself there is they
don't wear shoes the part there is the
tour says clearly there is
>> parents
>> what it say on the parents the did on
the yeah
>> the parents the parents have
>> laazer so the sh is
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tour says that he's
but the is if you learn that it's the
why is again the tour says but of
that it's
again why is
and why is
>> what say
>> so very good that's the third kasha very
good very Good himself doesn't bring
that but that said not such a
if you learn through the
okay and I want to just answer you also
are learned from shabasa from a
different so it's not a it's not mama
shakasha why there's no carus it's from
two different parts I want even just A
second
brings both.
And then of course the Tyrus has a carus
also. But then he says
I lost all
Shab
different. So it's not such a asking
very good because the ti himself tak
wanted to really bring a that's the he
say it's not a but these are too
cautious if you go with the
and the other imra why is no
why
>> why is
we see that kids don't wear shoes as for
you know washing
Kids tend to get a lot worse. Sometimes
kids are eating special because they're
fasting until it's outside then they eat
something. So your kids hands are
sticky. You're going to wash.
>> Yeah. So that will you're asking about
if that itself is brought clearly
discussed. That's because it's but it's
not because they're not in
>> on one hand you're telling them oh
you're not allowed to wash the next
second their hands are sticky. You're
like oh wash your hands.
>> So it's not a steer if they could or
they can't.
That's also not the discussion for now
how exactly just like obviously they
could eat after they have to eat. If
not, it's a sak
and and we're not going to go into the
and the between between them, but the
shil is if everything is a why should
there be a difference? Why should there
be a difference?
Why should there be a difference in that
eating and drinking to refrain a little
bit? But when it comes to it's
a very important on the other
he says that it's true it's
but the gave it over to
to be and define how these shall look
like the cast of Mishna. And if you're
looking at me, who ever heard of such a
thing
very likely is like that also it's very
likely in some of the that the what
you're not allowed to do in
however some learned the gave over to
define what goes into the over there
over here as well. Also the Tory says
these is of in you're supposed to be aim
of in of
how is the in supposed to look the gave
it over to define. So how did they
define it? They defined
not by a cuz he's a not by a mel because
he's a not by a
defined where the is says
and then he takes it a step and he says
that's also he says
when the tom
all the things that were
a big for the kids. The kids need to
eat, they need a drink, they need a
sandal, they need it.
Why did say
by eating and not? They're all So he
says like this. He says they're all but
but it's the same but a bit more of an
addition. He says because the Tory
spells out doesn't say the
but because the Tory says
it's talking about as you mentioned
before the others are not of
came out and they said like this that is
because it's more
he goes with the
that defined where it is and the other
it's not define.
So there's more there's more leeway so
to speak like the the
Mishna
really I wanted to check it up really
his terret is just this that it's not
murish in the it's it's not as murish as
but he also adds it and he says that the
gave it to like of both of them really
he could have answered without the sight
of
is more in the
other ones are not but he adds in also
that it's also
so
said wait a second
for the kids we feel over here for the
kids to have it the kids need okay
that's the so that's why
so so what do We have so far we have
clearly
if the other four
I'm going to go through briefly a few
other that's not so clearly what they
hold
Rashi says just like by shabas
Rashi says just like by Shabas it's the
Rabon so too over here. So it's not
clear that is like a little bit does he
mean to say to over here
that it's
over here that
it's
they bring another rash and shabas also
that could be
it's not so clear to be I'm just sharing
it as a moash
is a shashi holds the sha
seems he seems to be almost a the
himself. The beginning of the starts off
that it's a and then later on the spells
out and he says
he says but is also not so clear is it
is not clear the is not clear
the is also not clear the ran beginning
of a perk as a big as he goes through
lan lan he brings means all these
cautious that we spoke about in the
beginning. Duran says merily it's the
then the afterward says he ends off he
ends off with a kasha on this that it's
the so what does the hold does he hold
that it's the riser or does he hold it's
the raon in the beginning he says merly
it's thea then he ends off a kasha that
it's the rabon is it is it
so
the pagod
when he lists out Theim that say that
it's the he includes he includes the
primagum learns that the holds that it's
the like the tak says
learns the in the beginning said it's
the end hold it
how the holds
so we have
Before getting to the
just want to bring one more let's call
it
that it's the raon
that it's the raon the brings that it's
the raon and he says the following
ladies are and is to eat and drink
kipper
I it's
and
ladies are potter the teres these also
alive these chorus ladies are only
exempt
they are not exempt from the so they
can't eat they can't drink
what's about the other
If the is
different if it's
why a ladies in the of wearing shoes
it's a
and there is no laugh there's no laugh
because the like we mentioned where does
the say in do what the say with the by
chorus so that's clearly there's No,
there's no ladies are not the is only by
the other of not wearing shoes for an
example is only.
So
why are ladies included in the other
four?
Who said who said that ladies are
included? Maybe tak not
baby taka ladies are not included in the
other 40
because that's what they do.
My biggest R is the Mishna. The Mishna
says a kala a kala is allowed to wash
herself.
The not aa lady not a kala is not
allowed to. So they're
why are ladies and other
now if it's if it's
okay so when came and added these four
you know why they said ladies are
included because they added these four.
So that's why just like ladies are
included added another four and they
said it's
however if it's an
so
and you can't tell me that really
it's only men
that ladies are also included why not
why can't you say that then why didn't
every
to say that even though the says It's
part.
So says from here it's a that the other
four is
and that's why ladies are included.
Why would ladies be included in the
on his
on the
on this he says the following he answers
it's not a meaning to say
the other four are
a why a ladies it's a mama
He says he says
the ladies are part
meaning to say is something to refrain
from doing over there ladies and potter
the
mitzvah say
taking lul coming up the mitzvah of
lulov sitting in the suk That's all the
kumva say blowing shaer eating in the
suka taking dollar but something
just not doing over there ladies are
included
and I think it could be and explain it's
a what's the why should there be a
difference between if it's say they have
to shake their to if they just have to
refrain from doing such as say
you could explain
has and he says why t are ladies potter
from mitas mangorama why why
you ever wondered why are they part from
why should ladies not take lul and
listen to
why they're not says that
Since
meaning to say is they have to they're
they have to take care of their husband.
Imagine the scenario like this
from the
she's about to go sit in the suka and
her husband asks her to do something.
What is she going to do?
If she doesn't listen, her husband asks
her to do something.
If she doesn't sit in the suk, what
should she do? Her husband has to do
something and she has to go and do a
timely mitzvah. If it's not timely, if
it's not keshma before this man keshma,
it's a mitzvah. Okay? So, she'll listen
to her husband and after she'll go do
the mitzvah. But it's if it's a timely
thing, she's stuck between the and her
husband.
It's more important that she shouldn't
have to do the mitzvah as like you find
says my name.
The same thing is to do mitzvah if it
gets in the way of
you don't have to do the mitzvah.
You could understand
that's why only mitzvah say only
a mitzvah that she has to go and do
she's potter because it could get in the
way of her husband what her husband
wants her to do
her husband needs her to do something
that doesn't say that she can't at the
same time be amit
So that's why that's why she's talking
in the other four even though it's avas.
So just to conclude, we had up until now
a big
if the other four
not
are those
or they
what's
there's no about it
brings the
tough
that's a separate truth.
And then he says,
"So is it
a suffic if it's a suffic if it goes
into the gather of
Is it a sufficon?"
Very interesting. The
in the on in the beginning
of not not cotton yet just the beginning
of the s the says
the says to all the riser
in
says wait a second it's a
and the emmesis that
on this Then he brings
no chorus. And then he says
because
and
receive
wearing shoes between it's embarrassing.
You should be
you should be since it's he says you
should be that it's
as we spoke it's a big
says
says it's and one should be
that it's
have a wonderful shabas.