Perek Arvei Pesachim – Halachic Guidelines For Eating on Erev Shabbos and Yom Tov

We're learning now in the morning coil. Sack the Sabbath sack him. The Taurus psilocybe. We say every day before Sukkot the Zimbra. Is there a coin on the carbonus? So it's interesting the Mishnah is speaking about the carbonus the hot sauce is when the colon the young Balaia. Told him in a column in the whole year. But then when it comes to the carbon Pesach the Mishnah says a miser of Pesach. So there's a difference between the three different carbonus and the Mishnah says she know by Lawson. The carbon Pesach ain't no in a hole in a Balaia. Other carbonus you have a day and a night the carbon Pesach is only by night. The ain't no in a hole. The hot sauce is only to hot sauce the ain't no in a hole in a hole in the ain't no in a hole. What's the shot that by carbon Pesach it says the ain't no in a hole as opposed to everything else all the other carbonus it says the ain't no in a hole. It's the young Balaia here it's ain't no in a hole in a hole in the ain't no in a hole. So it said that it's different by Pesach. Really maybe it should be the whole year but at least by Pesach person has to know that everything is ain't no in a hole till you make sure that it's good to go to eat. It's a rental but I'm saying we're starting now I would say a hole in a hole. The hot dog in a hole in a hole in a hole. You find that actually in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole. The beginning of a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a a hole in a hole. These are constant holes in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole in a hole. I might everything is awesome till you learn the Allah and you know these are terrible. This had to run that had to some everything is awesome. Just on the note of a new how. Just to share with the better sky. The better sky they bring the better sky. He says I pay so I know how Allah comments. Pay so I only eat Allah comments. What does it mean Allah comments? Allah comments. My Allah comments is the base is by Allah has had so it's men in New York and it's silly. The mission begins. The 10th come so come. These are to eat out. I saw from when? From when to the mission says You're not allowed to eat from some of the men who till when? I take so very clear, very clear. I have pay so is a issue to eat from some of the men who. When is the time of men who some of the men who said the class the shower the later what we we skipped along to that the class is it men who tell her time later in the afternoon to get to exactly where men who is but men who is in the early afternoon let's call it around 3:00 4:00. Or men who which let's say today men who is 12:34 something like 12:37. From when is it to eat out of pay so the more class the shower it says the mission some of the men who. So what men who men who which is earlier in the day, or mincha ketana, which is later in the day? So, the Gemara says it it's totally what's the reason why you're not allowed to eat on Erev Pesach. What Why you're not allowed to eat on Erev Pesach? What's the What's the issur? What's the reason for the issur? If the reason why you're not allowed to eat on Erev Pesach is not to be distracted from bringing the korban Pesach, then says the Gemara, then it's already from an earlier zman, from mincha gedola. Though laugh after That's when they exactly brought the korban Pesach, but Chazal said you're not allowed to eat already from around chatzos time, because you have to be focused on the afternoon to bring the korban Pesach. However, if the reason why you're not allowed to eat on Erev Pesach is so that you should eat the matzah leil haseder le ta'avon, meaning to say, is if you're going to eat 4:00, 5:00 in the afternoon, it's going to come Pesach by night. You're not going to be hungry and eat the matzah with a geshmack. So, the main Chazal said is it's assur to eat from when? From mincha ketana, later in the afternoon, around 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon. If the reason why you're not allowed to eat on Erev Pesach is that you shouldn't be distracted from bringing the korban Pesach, Shabbos Tosefos, so why is the end time you're not allowed to eat till when? From mincha. But till when? The Mishna says without a no shaila, acher techashach, till by night, till you make kiddush. You're not allowed to eat before. Tosefos, Tosefos of the Ohr HaChaim Zayin, if the reason why you're not allowed to eat is because you're going to be distracted from bringing the carbon Pesach, I would say once you brought the carbon Pesach, you should be allowed to eat. After sunset, by night. There's no dinner. We're not It's not because of the reason you shouldn't by mistake not bring the carbon Pesach. Okay, so once you brought the carbon Pesach, you're done, you were and you should be able to eat. So why after sunset? So it says that we're afraid that it could be you're going to rush through the carbon Pesach. That is if we're going to say that you're allowed to eat after you bring the carbon Pesach, we're afraid you're hungry, you want to eat, you'll just quickly do the carbon bring the carbon Pesach. These are how you prepare the carbon Pesach with sleep. These are different laws. And we're afraid you're going to rush through it, you're not going to do it correctly. Therefore, just to be clear, no no eating after sunset. That is that's the whole time of carbon Pesach. Instead of saying that you bring the carbon Pesach, just on the on the concept, this idea of you shouldn't bring the carbon Pesach quickly so you should be able to eat. These are in it's dinner and it might even be a reason you're not allowed to eat before dinner. If you want to show them it's clearly a reason. However, there are when a person we spoke about it over here in the I'm not going into it. Certain people eat before dinner. Again, I'm not going into that. That's not the discussion here, but I want to bring out the concept. And they say rather eat to be able to daven, if called to daven, than daven to eat. It says to rush through davenings like this he could go and eat. You daven in partial cuz you know what, you wake up, you're hungry, you're not allowed to eat, so you're davening to be able to eat. I'll come back to that with the concept of like this is a God with the carbon Pesach. A person shouldn't rush through the carbon Pesach to be able to eat. So may doesn't make a difference. You could do the carbon Pesach in 5 minutes. You can't eat anyways till layla seder till Pesach by night. So again, the Gemara declares in the issur achila is it the mincha gedola because of the carbon Pesach, or is it later the mincha ketana because you should eat the matzah at the yavan? Gemara declares the shaila. The Gemara concludes that the issur to eat erev Pesach is so you should eat the matzah at the yavan. And therefore the issur is only from mincha ketana. And that's the halacha the Shulchan Aruch in siman 411 seif aleph. Says the Shulchan Aruch, I believe this is the lashon I wrote it down, "Also lechol pas mishaa asiris." Which we'll get to to explain what exactly the time of mincha ketana is. "Kdei" Why? Why not allowed to eat? Says the Shulchan Aruch, "Kdei sheyechol matzah at the yavan." So be'ezras Hashem we're going to get to Pesach through erev Pesach. The issur to eat erev Pesach in the afternoon is when you're going to eat the matzah you should eat it at the yavan. Tosafos in the beginning of the perek shtelt zich on the lashon We're learning perek Arvei Pesachim. If you take a look at the Mishna, even the girsah of our Mishna, it's not Arvei Pesachim, it's Erev Pesachim. So Tosafos wants to understand what is Erev mean? Erev is lashon yachid. Erev yamim tovim, l'chora it should have been erev pesach. Ela mai, if the mishna is talking about of all the years, lashon rabim, then it should have been arvei pesachim. What's erev pesachim? So, one one teretz says it says erev, we're talking about this erev pesach, but pesachim that we bring a lot of carbonos pesach. So, it's erev, we're talking about one erev pesach, but really it should be erev pesach, but it's not erev of the yamim tovim of pesach, it's the erev that you bring a lot of carbonos or carbon pesach. Tosafos second teretz says erev pesachim, because it's referring to both yamim tovim of pesach, pesach rishon and pesach sheini. Technically, maybe you could have said arvei pesachim, but to be meramez al korbanos, erev of both yamim tovim of pesach. Tiny yud daled, nisan and yud daled year. That's Tosafos second teretz. And what's the mishna coming to say? The din of the mishna, that the erev of both arvei pesachim, erev pesach rishon and erev pesach sheini, these are issur to eat after tzeis hakochavim. Fleck the shvatzem is. As we just said, the gemara concludes, what's the issur to eat erev pesach? So, you shouldn't eat the matzah v'tayovlin. Bishloima erev pesach rishon, erev pesach these are mitzvah to eat matzah leil haseder. So, maybe this is a din, don't eat after tzeis hakochavim, you should eat it with the tayovlin. However, pesach sheini, there is no din to eat matzah. Yes, the Torah hakdosha says to eat matzah, but it's a din to eat it together with the korban pesach. There's no din to korban pesach is ne'echal al hateyovlin. The there's no din to eat matzah that you should eat the matzah Teyavon. So if I practice why is there a din the Yod-dalet Teyavon? Totally eat and you only eat the matzah Teyavon. And he brings the Teyavon. But the carbon is a to eat some of the mincha from and the late afternoon. So first of all, it doesn't say min mincha, it says some of the mincha, close to mincha. So what's some of the mincha? Rashi says the Rashbam says half hour before mincha. So what's the how do you get the mincha ketana? This is some of the how do I get to know cuz really din of Shulchan Aruch really the din of Teyavon is really to mincha from mincha ketana. Though some of the din of earlier up in the Teyavon, but in Shulchan Aruch it says that really if you from right away from mincha ketana from 12:34 you which would seem some din you should you should start from later. So what's the how do you get the mincha? So here in the beginning of the fifth Teyavon the mission says like this the mincha the carbon the carbon Teyavon. When do you bring the carbon Teyavon? Like the mission the mincha Let's break up obviously it's totally mincha meaning to say it's depending on how long the day is, but if the day is an even amount equal day of 12 hours. And let's say that the day starts at 6:00 in the morning and 6:00 at night the day ends. It's 12 hours 6:00 to 6:00. So, what's 8 and 1/2 of a day from 6:00 to 6:00? 6:00 to 12:00 is 6 hours, so it's 2:30. was brought 2:30 in the afternoon. And when was it petitioned 3:30 in the afternoon? And that's that crowbar of the day in our buying. When was that crowbar in our buying? In a day that the day is 6:00 to 6:00, it was 3:30 in the afternoon. So, if there's a day that's 6:00 to 6:00 even, the man in town is 3:30 in the afternoon. Though, of course, it depends. The day starts earlier, the later, longer, shorter, it's going to move around. You look it up on a calendar to see when it comes out. But I'll call upon him. On a 6:00 to 6:00 day, the man in town is 3:30. So, from when does the issue start to eat out of stock from 3:00? 3:30 is the man in town. 3:00 is the issue the mister says. Well, you saw the man in town a half hour before the man in town concludes. I used the reason is to eat and it's man in town. Man in town is 3:30, so from 3:00. Interesting. The mission of rule over here in the town of Olive talked warm when speaking about the issue. So, the mission of rule says, "Who is the man in my life?" The issue is man in my life. The what do you mean man in my life? The mission says, "Some of the man in town a half hour before man in town." So the ames is is that the shila is really on the rama. We're going to get to it soon but the rama on hilchos yom tov when he speaks about the issur of eating sala macha issur on yom tov but the rama says erev yom tov when should a person stop eating? So the rama says mincha mincha for mincha ketana. So the de re de mish de beer alacha says it's lav dafka when he says mincha it doesn't mean dafka mincha it means already a half hour before that. So when you look around in alacha sometimes the loshon is a loshon of mincha mincha it really means a half hour before mincha. So that's clear the issur is the issur to eat from a half hour be from a half hour before mincha ketana and the reason why this issur is you should eat the matzah to yom tov. Let's stop for a minute and see the gabe what is the issur? The issur is you're not allowed to eat. What are you not allowed to eat? Let's try to figure out where where is the negaya? The erev pesach it's 3:30 in the afternoon you're not allowed to eat. What what are you not allowed to eat? So chametz bread you anyways not allowed to eat from saves macha with chametz from the morning 10:30 in the morning. So chametz is anyways not a negaya challah. Matzah matzah frecht matzah you also can eat matzah. Al pi yerushalmi it's not a bavli it's a yerushalmi. It's interesting machlokes with rishonim when exactly is the issur but the yerushalmi says it's pretty famous you're not supposed to eat matzah erev pesach. So so where is the negaya when the missioner says lo yochal? What what is the missioner telling me you're not allowed to eat? Chametz you can't eat, matzah you can't eat. Mini targima? Let's define it. Let's see nash. So toises you could anyways eat the whole day. So what we are exactly is it a geiyah this halacha? This is the rabbonim that you're not allowed to eat lagavey what? Bread you can't eat, matzah you can't eat. So toises, you know where it's the geiyah? It's the geiyah matzah shira. Matzah shira the heynu matzah that you added in other ingredients. Let's call it what we know it as egg matzah. Egg matzah is something that you're not you're eating leil haSeder. And for that the you shalom is not applicable. This that the you shalom says you're not allowed to eat erev Pesach matzah, that's only that's only matzah that's only matzah you can be you're eating leil haSeder not egg matzah. And toises brings the heynu you know like rabbeinu tam. Which is the geiyah year of erev Pesach shacharit is for shabbos like next year about leil haSeder toiva. Erev Pesach shacharit is for shabbos. So eating the sudas you're not allowed to eat chametz till 10:30. What's about shalom sudas? To hold discussion, not for now. Last erev Pesach shacharit is for shabbos over here in the morning kollel we went through a series of five shirim going through all the halachas. But al kop on them, egg matzah you're not allowed to eat. You're not allowed to eat egg matzah erev Pesach. So for that is where it's the geiyah that the mishna says the is a chachamim egg matzah you're not allowed to eat erev Pesach but only after after kol it shas series. Why shas series? Because 8:30 shmoneh taysha va chetzi which means not when the 10th hour starts which means va shas taysha. Al kop on them, 3:00. So my main this din that the mishna says you're not allowed to eat Arab Pesach is Negaya Egg Matzah. That's where it's Negaya now that you eat Egg Matzah. So you look at Tosis. Is it because because you can't use it by the Seder or did he just tell you something that you can't be yotzei the mitzvah by Seder or is it telling something which being let's say sorry the matzah I forget the real name. Good. Good. We're going to get to this mama should a minute. And the mice so what's the exact reason is a little bit in kind of coin my it's a good point what you're bringing up. I want to get in constant involved in the in the Yishalom in the time and what type of matzah but it's a beautiful question you brought up. We're going to actually get another example in a minute mama should about this. The Al Kapon of Tosis is terror it says very clear when Hazal told us we have a issue to eat you know what you know how to eat Arab Pesach Egg Matzah Matzah Shira. Tomorrow show says that I have another example another example or Hegatentso what the mission is saying you now that you eat like you brought up good but say cos shall not hurry. What is but say cos shall not hurry? Any matzah that was made shall lay the sham matzah smiths are is also to eat lay you're not yotzei lay la Seder. If a makes matzah the mice so at least even if a yid makes the matzah and it wasn't made with sham it's not chametz you're allowed to eat it the whole Pesach but you're not allowed to eat it lay la Seder. So that's another Hegatentso what it's also but say cos shall not hurry matzah that was made shall lay the sham mitzvah yeah. Which one? Matzah Shira also not yotzei the mitzvah. If you eat Matzah Shira not yotzei. You're not yotzei but if you eat it if you eat it at night it's not doing the chametz thing. Right so but say cos shall not hurry also if you eat it at night you're not eating chametz. By Shulchan Orech you can eat but say cos shall not hurry you just can't be yotzei the mitzvah matzah but say cos shall not hurry. The master The master of says maybe no. Maybe not maybe say matzah matzah. Is included in the issue of the show me? You know that eat the animal that was made matzah. Like we brought up before that it could be. Only egg matzah that doesn't have the time of matzah matzah you're not to eat matzah. Matzah matzah. It's the exact same matzah that you eat the matzah. It's just missing the matzah. Says the master could be you're not I mean you're not I'm sorry you're not allowed to eat it out of matzah. So it says the master that wouldn't be a wouldn't be a good example. The master the area actually does bring it as a matzah that when the missioner says that we learned matzah matzah. Either it's matzah or it's matzah the animal a matzah that was made. Matzah that was made by a guy or even by a guy matzah. This discussion of matzah is not just a theory. I mean it's matzah but it's not just a handle a ride the master says another matzah and then he's matzah and the area actually stays like that. The master has a matzah. It's a few pages long. And he he was he was asked. Could you use? Could you use matzah matzah? In other words that the matzah bakery is it's a year of matzah matzah matzah and they asked them. You see egg matzah is very nice but at least. We don't eat egg matzah with the kids over matzah. So now you eat egg matzah on matzah matzah somewhere in hotels. However. Why can you make matzah matzah matzah? And the matzah you can't eat at layla seder, you could eat it erev pesach. You could eat it the whole pesach, just not layla seder. They asked him to be able to do it for hotels, and they also asked him to be able to do it for the army. To make matzah that's not You're not yotzei layla seder. You could eat it erev pesach. So l'maaseh the Minchas Yitzchak responded and he said, "First of all, a feedam amart sha'a, you can't eat it erev pesach." And v'oid, even with the feedam me'iri, that the me'iri says that you could, at least al kapana till till mincha ketana, he says you shouldn't do it cuz a ba'al issur nichshal will come out. Meaning to say, even with the feedam me'iri that you could do it, especially if you're going to do it on a big scale, in hotels, the army, and even if you're going to write on the box, don't eat it the layla seder. People not going to hop going to know this type of special matzah not for the layla seder. You know, you go to the matzah bakery, matzah says kosher pesach, you can have a layla seder. So maybe you can't You shouldn't do it. Al kapana them, Tosefos is kasheh was l'gabei what is the issur to eat Tosefos that matzah she really saw the me'iri says another ta'arutz l'gabei the tzeikah shel nachri, the heimoo matzah that was made shelaysha mitzvah. The Rambam, the Rambam al Perush Hamishnayos says, "You know what the issur is the geya?" The issur is n'geya basar v'dagim. >> Come. And this is talk of very n'geya. You're not allowed to eat from mincha ketana a seudah of basar v'dagim. You're allowed to eat a little bit, like the lashon of Shulchan Aruch over there in the Tof Ein Sof Shulchan Aruch says, "Oichel ma'at peiros v'yerakos." But l'fi the Rambam al Perush Hamishnayos, seemingly brought l'halacha, you see the seder takes a time. Till you eat it's 12:00, 1:00. The matzah first you're eating 12:00, 1:00. But etzem, you want to sit down 5:30 in the afternoon and eat a full supper, you're not going to wash. But you want to have full boss of a dogum. So that also Zuk the Rambam when the mission says lo yoichal is a issur to eat erev Pesach in the afternoon boss of a dogum. So really what would come out of this is look up in the calendar. I didn't check yet what time it is. Let's say it's 4:00. So before 4:00, you could eat a full early supper, so to speak. Obviously, this is not even the discussion of a klal if a person eats so much that he's not going to even be able to eat the matzah achila gasa. That's not even a discussion. That's not what we're talking about. It's all the tiyuv. Although the Gemara says the lashon of achila gasa, as the rishonim explain, it means it means the pashtus in the Rashba. Other rishonim, it means you're not going to eat with ta'avon. So we have over here two or three explanations what the lo yoichal is. The etzem, so we said either a matzah ashira, maybe bitzeika shel nachri, boss of a dogum. The etzem, there's another example. For those in klal Yisrael that eat gebroks, so it's nogeia kneidlach for an example. Could you sit down and could you eat min ha mincha? If you eat the rami, you can't eat the boss of a dogum. But let's say if you go, you can't eat matzah ashira bitzeika shel nachri. What's about kneidlach or anything that goes into gebroks? It's not washing to a seudah. It's mezoinos. Could you eat it? However, the etzem, lichora it's not nogeia cuz you're not allowed to eat it the whole day. The haynu, the Shulchan Aruch in siman taf kuf alef, the siman that we're talking about in seif, that we're talking about in Seif Beis, the Rama says, "Matzah she ne'efa k'diktana." You have regular matzah, and then you made it matzah meal, you ground it, v'nilosha b'yayin v'shemen, and then you mixed it with oil wine. That sounds It's not matzah ashira, even though matzah ashira when you originally make the matzah and you put in oil, that is matzah ashira, but if you it was made regular matzah, and you made it matzah meal, then you mix in oil, that's not matzah ashira, and it's assur to eat the whole Erev Pesach. So, then what we're saying now with kneidlach falls off. Cuz anyways, you can't eat it the whole Pesach. However, if you take a look in the Mishna Berurah, it's only talking about if you bake it. You made matzah meal, you put in oil, and you bake it, that you're not allowed to eat the whole day. However, the Mishna Berurah says clearly that was cooked, you are allowed to. So, that being another example, another example of what be assur, that would go into the issur what the Mishna is saying lo ye'echal. Just real briefly, and with this I want to conclude this shiur. Up until now, we spoke about the issur of eating Erev Pesach. What's about Erev Yom Tov, Erev Shabbos? What's the din over there? So, before going into Erev Shabbos, which really the Gemara speaks about the assur in Erev Pesachim, Erev Erev Sukkos, Erev Sukkos, the Shulchan Aruch, the Rama in Siman 251 the Rama brings the Maharil. The Maharil says, "There's a issur to eat Erev Pesach Erev Sukkos from chatzos." And the Rama says, "Beis Hillel says." The Rama says, from from Pesach just like Pesach in reality there of Pesach to eat the matzah to tell so to air circus in reality eat to eat lay of circus in the circle of the air way this itself is a lot of Torah to speak about what's the mix when the circle what's the little tail over but I come on let's go clear the sugar there are more things is a issue to eat air circus do me out of Pesach so that I'm saying wait a second you're telling me that the issue comes from circus from Pesach circus is learned from Pesach the issue from Pesach is from when is from min time and not from hot sauce so what's the push out it says from hot sauce so the machine will talk of rings that's what I talk circus talk is also only later in the afternoon air circus you can eat the issue what the ramada says but they don't have to mission Pesach is talk only later only from min time and the banish high is me a chef if you learn from Pesach and Pesach we learned the mission of min a min which is min time and not min time and a half hour before the end of hot sauce so what's the difference circus and Pesach what are the smack of banish high says you know why Pesach is a later time only from let's call it 3:00 in the afternoon the reason why it only starts from 3:00 in the afternoon is because told you start eating lay out say there regardless of how long your haggadah of Pesach takes but you don't start right away meaning to say this kind of car pass it takes time so by the time you eat the matzah, it's already, let's call it 2-3 hours in or something like that, into the night. So, when they learn, we could allow you to eat till mincha ketana and you're still eating letayavon. Mashain kein sukkos, when do you start when you're eating in the sukkah? Davening maariv, you come home and eat in the sukkah. So, come to chais, there if you're going to be able to eat mincha ketana, you're not going to have the letayavon. So, that's why sukkos, it moves back earlier. The issur to eat sukkos is already bechatzos. So, it's more or less equivalent it's bedomeh to pesach later in the afternoon till the matzah. Sukkos from chatzos till the matzah is about the same idea of time to eat letayavon. Lastly, and to conclude, is legabei shabbos. Shabbos, the gemara brings a machlokes in the beginning of erev shabbos if there's an issur to eat erev shabbos. The issur that we're learning erev shabbos is an issur erev shabbos as well. Today erev shabbos also this afternoon could you sit down to eat a seudah? La halacha, it's muttar. La halacha, it's muttar. It's muttar to eat. It's muttar. The gemara is a machlokes. La halacha, it's muttar. I'm not talking about seudah gedolah is a separate discussion. Purim, when you have to when you don't have to, that's next year. Purim is Friday. It's muttar. However, Erev pesach there's an issur. It's assur. Erev shabbos, there's a mitzvah. It's a maila. It's an inyan. It's a mitzvah not to eat in the afternoon. And the same thing is also in hilchos yom tov, the same thing. Dainu pesach is an issur. Sukkos is also an issur. What's about the second days of Pesach, Succos, second days of Pesach? What's about Shavuos? Zocher Shulchan Aruch V'yite der Ramo in Hilchos Yom Tov Simchas Yom Tov Kof Tes. V'also lecho, also uh Mincha, which we said is Chatzos Shachris and Mincha. Then the Shulchan Aruch says also lav davka. It's a mitzvah not to eat. The maila the maila comes to this like this. Erev Pesach, Erev Succos, these are issur. However, however, Erev Shabbos, it's only a mitzvah. But just like I said before, avada, it's only this is only talking about when it's not going to be achila gassa. Erev Shabbos, if a person's going to sit down Friday afternoon and he's going to have a huge tie a meal, and by the time he sits down Friday night, if it's not l'tayavon, okay, so you weren't m'kayem the mitzvah. But if a person sits down Friday night to the seudah, and he ate or he drank, and he poshet k'ein eat, that's ossur. That's ossur. This that Erev Shabbos is only a mitzvah not to eat, it's a heder, that's only when we talk about l'tayavon. But if you're not going to be able to eat, it's going to be achila gassa, then these are issur. Have a wonderful Shabbos.