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Parshas Shoftim with Rabbi Yehoshua Weber
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Okay. So the the topic dour is supposed
to be malus, right? What our attitude to
towards kings is monarchs in general.
Are they good? Are they bad? Is is it
something the Torah wants us to have as
the Torah is that something tolerates?
Or is it something that the Torah
actually really doesn't want us to have
at all, but it allows it because you
really have no choice. The sometimes
does that, right? An extreme situation.
An extreme situation. Not saying malus
is this but in extreme situations the
concept of a person goes to battle he
sees any woman that he finds attractive
and if you don't allow him to have
relationship with her he may have a
relationship anyway so the Torah allows
it not because it's good and not because
it's even been the evidence terrible
but we know that if you don't allow it
he might just have that relationship
anyway we don't want that to happen
outside the framework of mitzvah
so we
allow it in this limited way. Um because
you know otherwise there's just no
choice in the matter. How do we view
Malik?
So it's actually a little bit
surprising. You'll see a range of
approaches among the some say it's
really good to be ruled by a king. Some
say it's actually really bad to be ruled
by a king.
Well, who's going to rule you if you
don't have a king? Well, who rules you
in contemporary America? Who rules you
in contemporary Israel? There's a
democracy. people vote and at least the
Abarbanel says that's a much much much
better thing because when you give a
person too much power um you know the
saying in English power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely now
well why does the Torah allow it because
if you don't allow it people are going
to have a king anyway and let's sort of
wind the clock back a little bit
you know you can criticize America you
can criticize the Israeli parliamentary
system but essentially they work they're
democracies
um people's rights are respected. You
don't have so many abuses. But how does
democracy work?
How do democracies work?
People vote. And how do people vote?
They have candidates. That means there's
publicity. There's um ways to tabulate
votes. There's you have technology that
allows it. But wind back 5,000 years,
how would you have a democracy? How
would you even vote? You would have
people vote in their little on little
pieces of paper. You would count them.
You transport them back to the center,
I guess.
>> But but a guy isn't to vote, right? So
it was really, really hard. So in the
ancient world, if you wanted leadership,
if you didn't have monarchy, where you
had a king and a son was king instead of
him, you wouldn't have anything cuz it
would be very hard to get democracy
going. The Torah might have allowed
monarchy, not because it's a good thing.
It might have been a very bad thing, but
because there may have been no choice.
But in a world in which there are
choices, a monarchy might not be a good
thing at all, the Torah might not might
not want it and the Torah might dissuade
against it. Okay, so with just an
introduction, let's get going. Let's
start. And the starting point would be
the pukim. The pukum that talk about
malus
are actually really surprising just the
actual themselves.
tells you come to the land
saying gives you you take ownership of
the land you settle there
let me appoint a king of myself like all
the
what's odd about this
the Torah is full of mitzvah right
when the Torah tells you to perform a
mitzvah doesn't say well if you want to
perform a mitzvah you should perform a
mitzvah you want to take l of filling
you should wait film Why are you
comparing to the guy? Like why
>> that's another point and we're also
comparing to the guy. So the first thing
is the term makes it sound like it's
optional. You want a you want a king you
can have a king and then you say if I
want a king to be like the go. It sounds
terrible.
It sounds like it's optional which you
never have by mitzvah. You put on fillin
and you take lulin and you and you make
kesh on chabas. You do what you got to
do. You don't say oh if I want to do it
I'll do it. And you don't do mitzvah to
be like goim. You do mitzvah because
you're supposed to have a Jewish
identity. It's a very strange strange
I it's not strange. But the simple
reading is very um troubling very hard
to understand. And then the tells you
well if you ask
the next is also a little odd. We want
to tell you that the king has to be
Jewish. Makes sense. Even though why
would you but the emphasizes it again
and again
point the king that that likes that um
at least three times the repeats the
same thing never does that every vow
every syllable matters three times the
terra goes out of its way to tell you
the king has to be one of your own. You
can't appoint um um um Ferdinand
Isabella. Like why does the terror
repeat this three times?
So um let's let's analyze the story. And
the best way to analyze the story is to
travel with me to shul where we deal
with the story of of the first malas,
right? We came to we at Chaft Shftim.
It's really hard to know exactly what
they were, but it wasn't a a monarchy
where it was transmitted father to son.
It wasn't a dynasty.
You had a person who ruled because he
was most qualified. He died. Generally,
someone else took over. So, there were
stories about children taking over, but
not that's not the way it was meant to
be. These um chauffeim really seemed to
have been military heroes, strong
people, right? That's they didn't seem
to be people who sat and learned, but
they were they were they were military.
Um um their their prowess was military.
And I'll tell you, I couldn't resist
eating it. Um because right among
friends here, right? You're a friend.
You're going to if you're a friend. Let
me I want to read a Rambam. Um
>> let me know and I'll you know.
>> Okay. The Rambam wrote a letter to
Right. It's the Rambam, right? This is
not you know this is the Rambam, right?
You can't get more authoritative than
the Rambam. Why was the second base of
mus destroyed?
for sure that played a role. Why was the
first place destroyed
right various the Rama says and then we
have
they didn't appreciate the Torah for
sure that played a role you know you
know what the Rama chooses to highlight
look at the Ram source 10
>> he writes angeras so now could be
thearas is forged but it isn't no one
claims it is vodarasal
his words in the Um, letter writes must
say that
that they looked at the idolatrous
rights. They looked at the stargazers
and what happens when they looked at the
stargazers.
How did that impact in their ability to
succeed in war?
The Rambam says it's not all it's about.
He says when you're busy with a visor,
you're not just doing an ava. You know
what you're doing? You're also wasting
your efforts on stupid things because
you'll have the superstitious guy who
tells you stand under the moon and stand
on your head and spit wooden nickels and
eat five pieces of schnitle and then
you'll win your war and pay me money. If
you would go to a military academy, they
would tell you form an army and this is
your battle strategy. A vidazara is not
just the aa of a vidazara. When you have
a a a group of people who follow leaders
who don't have a sensible religion,
they'll tell them all sorts of terrorist
lux and all types of silly things and
they won't do practical things.
According to the Rambam, he's not saying
that's all it is. And I'm not saying
it's all it is, but the Rambam says
this. And you really don't find a more
authoritative source than the Rambam.
Part of the problem with the vidazar is
is that you're going to do stupid things
because these are stupid religions that
are based on paganistic ideas, gods who
don't exist. And when you have sup
people doing superstitious things, so
they'll do this magic thing, they'll do
that magic thing. Instead of having
proper medicine, they'll pour lead this
way and lead that way. That's not what
you do. When if you want to fight a war,
you learn battle strategy. You you you
have a draft. You get people together.
You train them in military skills, you
um practice strategy, you learn. That's
what you do. Do you see what the Ram is
saying?
>> What's he wrote down about blood? Is
there there's a Facebook?
>> So, that was just me being
inappropriate.
>> So, I'm saying is there there's a
>> I don't know any I don't know. I don't
>> I think what he's hinting at is the red
string.
>> I'm not going there
and all.
>> Yes. I don't know how that works. I I
know that such things happen in our
community. It's Yeah. I don't know. Is
there a basement or just
>> I don't I don't know base. Right. So,
and I but I do know good people who put
a lot of effort into things like that
when they can just as easily be going to
a doctor or watching their diet
>> where they start charging money for all
those
>> they always charge money. None of these
things happen without money. Now, it's
it's it's a very strange coincidence,
right? That it's a str that anyone does
it to make money, but the funny thing is
is that it's just a straight there's
always money involved. Duck on an album
by the closer.
>> So um this ram is very important. I mean
this ram is is there's more here than
meets the end. Now why am I I'm raising
this? You need to succeed practically in
the ancient world. You couldn't organize
a society. You get a bunch of nomads
coming to what are you going to do?
You'll set up a democracy. How are you
going to do it? You'll you'll organize
um you'll have people voting. You'll set
up voting booths and you'll you'll send
computerized ballots. How are you going
to vote? How are you going to
communicate? 12 different and you need a
central authority. If you don't have a
central authority leading you, you're
finished because you're surrounded by
enemies who are going to invade. So
practically speaking, you need a king.
Is it something that's a wonderful thing
religiously? Could be for sure some shim
say that. Is it something that's not so
great? Could also be shim say that. Why
does the So why does the allow it? So
initially when you came there too you
had no choice. Initially it's wild. You
have shim but you want to settle down.
And you want everyone to work together.
If you have a king with a dynasty with
children, the father dies, the child
takes over, the child dies, his child
takes over, at least you have
leadership. But I must tell you when we
talk about the first king, it's a story
in actually you know the the language is
worse than you would expect. So look at
the language here. Now
>> the difference between a and a king.
>> So a is not a dynasty. A king is
that means a king is who uban of a that
means his son as first dibs is just the
general duour who is strong who we
appoint but he's but he doesn't if
>> does he have the same authority as
>> um no so the rules but I think the
primary we'll see the primary difference
that it's not a dynasty he won't have
the same authority either in ter but the
prime at least how the defines it and
we'll soon see why I'm quoting this
>> like this is action um between the and
stuff are those are just
>> so the RAM is actually not drama is a
general statement about what leadership
is about it's about practical you need a
practical leader dhamma is really an
introduction we we'll see the sheetas
now okay but you these are good
questions so when you look at schmoo the
first day of the king it's horrible is
aging
and logical to him would be that his
children take over his children are not
what they should be now it's and there
are stories in the deb's children not
being quite what they should be um and
like a children before him and Pikashak
He appointed them in in positions, but
they weren't what they should have been.
Um there were improprieties happening.
Um
and and and judgment wasn't appropriate.
Skeptical.
They came to him on third line. Your
age, you'll be passing on your children
are following your path. See, let's have
a king because um
and and this the languages come
um
the was it was really bad to him that
now is really upset by this. Now
remember this was also so hurtful
because his own children weren't what
they should have been. But no father can
hear that his children aren't what they
should be. There's nothing that's more
painful to a parent. And so this is very
very hurtful. But he also, it seems the
whole idea of a king was foreign to him.
And seems to agree. Um um let's
continue. Um
listen to the people.
It's not you that they're disgusted by
they're disgusted by me by asking for a
king that turning away from. And why is
saying this? If it's if it's because
they don't want Shu's children to rule,
the Pik is explicit. Shul's children
were not really they um you know it's
you don't want to speak badly about the
children of Shulavi, but the Pik says
they took bribes. What exactly it means,
I don't know, but some impropriy. um
there was some type of miscarriage of
justice mishbat. So it's it's
appropriate for them not to leave. It's
the is absolutely clear. Um so they're
asking for a king but says kings are not
good. They they despise me. And then
criticizes them terribly.
Says that from the moment they left
Egypt made mistakes and that this is one
of those mistakes and it seems to be
referring to you know the problems in
the desert the the all the complaints
the um the love and the moragum and and
the egel and and and during during the
years up to so it's and then pulls him
he warns him. He says you'll appoint the
king over you. You know what he's going
to do? He's going to take your daughters
to bake for you and your sons to run
before the chariots. He's going to steal
your land and steal your crops and
confiscate you. He says, "Why do you
want this?" And the people said, "We
need it. We need leadership." And said,
"If that's what they want, they'll get
it, but it's not good for them." So here
the we need dynasties if
appointed up why.
>> So that's a very very good question and
I think the answer would be is that
kadesh doesn't really invol tries to
create a ha where kadesh isn't involved.
You don't see nam every day. That's not
the way the world is supposed to
function. It's supposed to function with
some type of esropotum. So it we need to
so what you have is a dynasty. Now today
we can have elections but elections were
very hard then. Right. So so the pik is
actually curious. The nvi is is very
negative more so than people realize.
Look after pikmu is negative and
was negative. And then the garra
reflects back in these two stories. It
reflects back on the pasim and then it
reflects back on on on the story in it
brings down twoas about what her
attitudes towards um a king rahuda and
rab nayroy. It's really hard to know
what pac is. We generally pass like of
mayor his voice usually prevails and
they argue about what what what are
attitudes towards the king
and it's it's the gumar it's thefta it's
it's it's the missions it's it's it's
just it's a argument that repeats itself
in many many places. Okay. You're happy
you joined. Okay. And we're friends. So
you got a friendship you get a share and
you get you're set. Okay. Okay. So
the three mitzvah
these are three mitzvah that are
imperative.
we suggest it's really a little bit of
an aor almost
they have tinus so have a king it almost
sounds like he's comparing it almost you
have to be very careful because um it's
not for me to make absolute comparisons
but there are mitzvah that aren't really
mitzvah but where allows people to do
something that is not good but if it's
what you have to do it's what you have
to do and again the classic example I
referred to before
is a terrible thing a man is at war.
He's um it's Darwinian. It's bloody.
It's hand-to- hand combat. 60 70% of the
people that you fight with are dead
already. You killed your enemy handto
hand. And and here there's this woman
that you captured. And we'll give a
share in this. I think we I think we
learned this together. This woman I I
don't think we did this in the shar.
This woman at least according to the
nitiv was a prostitute who traveled with
the enemy army. She wasn't just any
woman. I think we went through this. I
know that.
>> Yeah. That's the reading.
So
>> that means you can't just violate any
woman that you capture. But there were
women who would travel with the enemy
army as
>> for what reason?
>> To to to service them,
>> right? Um so then I'm I'm I'm I'm
changing what the nitiv says. He says
not so much to service them but to be
trophy wives to held up that if if a if
a warrior is very strong and successful,
he'll be zoh to marry this woman. But
she was really in a terribly moderate
situation. She was part of the enemy
battalion. So to hold a man back from
violating her when anyway anyway she
represented the enemy army was very very
hard. The nitiv says he couldn't violate
any woman he captured just those women.
Nitiv has a strong base in the guess we
never came up in a shir here but we
learned this when I think we went
through this right oh we didn't see I
don't remember what I learned where
>> right um
um so um so but any which way but but it
it's a terrible thing the tyra allows it
because because if you don't allow it
he's going to violate her anyway because
he's so going to do well then
>> it's a way to sort of keep within the
framework sometimes you know you know a
parent will sometimes allow a child your
child is 20 this is a bad thing you
don't want your child to do it but he's
not going to listen to you right so
>> well that's the result of of that
relationship
>> well yes yes but remember so sometimes
you allow a child because um because you
know this is what you have to do and the
child has to make his mistake right so
the tyra allows this with the fastra
There's an meat. He's not a fan of meat.
The ty loves meat because people are
going to eat it anyway. Just you can't
control them. But um the um at least
Rebay seems to be saying
people wanted a king because they felt
insecure without a king. So the terra
allows it. But it's not a good thing.
That's what he seems to be saying. Is
very explicit and the language of the
lends itself. You know
will allow it. So he has a strong base
in the past. But how do we Pascin where
really do do we go? So you could almost
predict right we shine them like the
Rambal who try to keep things very black
and white say no the Tyra says to have a
king and it's the Ram also actually the
Tyra says to have a king you have a king
that's it um it means we'll explain what
does the Raman say about this the Raman
says well why does if if you're allowed
to have a king why does the Tyra tell
you
that just say have a king take Lul here
we villain have a king It's a mitzvah.
But you know, we're not telling you have
a king, it's a mitzvah. We're telling
you if you ask for it, you'll have it.
Why is it they were writing it that way?
I mean, at least according to
it's not really mitzvah, but according
to this seems to be what the says, so it
would be normative. It it's it's it's a
mitzvah like all other mitzvah. So why
do we write it this way?
>> Whether it is or not, it's still awkward
wording for sure.
>> So why does he use awkward wording?
>> Why does it do that? Um, so it's it's
the Ramban and it's a quintessential
Ramban. It's an arctypical classic
Ramban. It's Ramban in sync with all the
other Rambans to the Tyra. The Ramban is
a great believer in the Torah being a
code that tells you the future. Uh, mice
have a similar um learning for a little
bit of time, but not this these Rambans
haven't come up here, but you've learned
them, right? You've seen these Rambans,
right? The Torah talks about twoas,
right? twoas, one at the end of one at
the end of why what does the Raman say?
You can guess what the Ramban says.
>> First and second, it's all foretold.
Babel says it's not true. It's foretold
because it's all based on if they would
do if they wouldn't have done a varan
says it's foretold. The Torah talks
about six days of creation. Why six?
>> It's
this is human destiny to a large degree
is foretold. You'll say free choice. The
Romans says how far is free choice?
There's a limit to free choice. What?
That's not so you know the we can't
these are the greatest minds have all
debated this. Every 16-year-old stays
awake at at trying to resolve it. Every
46-year-old knows that he can't and and
he starts sleeping again. Such is the
nature of life. Right? This is it's but
um but let's come back. But 16-year-olds
I think that's very good. You should
know but at 46 you don't think the same
way. Right? So um
>> so the world was created in six days.
Why six days? How world how long is the
world supposed to last? 6,000 years. The
first day is the first thousand. It's
the Ramban, right? Um my similar, right?
The whole story of the AOS, you've heard
this in Shagurum. This is standard in
every yeshiva mim, right? Abram goes
down to Egypt. We're going to go down to
Egypt. Abram suffered in Egypt. His wife
was they tried to violate his wife, but
he got out and he came out with riches.
We went down to Egypt. We suffered. We
left with great riches. Right? You've
heard these Rambans, right? The Raman
believes everything is foretold.
Everything is there in the Torah. That
means people make choices but not so so
much. So what do you think the Raman
says? The Raman says the Tyra uses
because what is the foreshadowing? What
is this about
the way people are going to ask for the
king? The first time they asked for the
king what do they say? We want them like
the They shouldn't have asked that
way but that's the way they asked. So
the Torah records this as a
foreshadowing as an avua of what
eventually was going to happen. It's
it's it's it's classic classic Raman.
It's part of the Raman's whole you know
people have an approach you would you
know some people like that you know some
people when a conversation like this
take it this way some people take it
that way. The Ramban is a great believer
in the Tyra being sort of a scientific
document that foretells the future.
Again, you have to be careful because
then there's no free choice. You take it
all away. But the Ramban more than other
is that's the Ramban. This is so this
that's the Raman's answer, right? That
why does the Terra use awkward language
to foreshadow what's going to happen?
Will the satisfy all resham? No, because
the Raman takes away free choice. At
least some level of choice.
>> Foreshadow. Okay. But now why is it
important though?
>> So, so the T is full of secrets about
the future. That's the Ramban's um
that's one of his primary ideas because
we're supposed to know. We're supposed
to look to the Torah to tell us the way
things are going to be.
>> My question is is when the Torah does do
that and it happens very often, there's
a lesson that's learned out of it. My
question is what's the lesson?
>> Uh maybe the maybe it's just guidance
and how to live. Maybe it's this is the
human condition. Maybe it's tells you
that some aspects of human nature are so
built in, so baked in that that's just
the way they are. But the Raman tells
you it's all foreshadowed.
Okay. So, um that's the Ramban's answer.
That's um and again this is what you
would expect. This is the Ramban if you
learn the Ramban. And again, basic not
I'm not I'm talking about someone whose
whole life is Ramban. This is the
Ramban. It's it's in sync.
Now what I mean Allah your question is
better than my answer like why does
there have to tell you this I mean to
tell you what
>> obviously there
>> right but but like what what do you gain
from this to tell you that went to Mit
first it's like Jewish history but why
is the ter telling you about this
specific your question is better than my
answer I don't have a good answer but
but this is the Ramb okay
Rashi seems why would the foreshadow
everything would discourage everyone
>> from making for choice choice is yes. So
maybe to tell you first of all it's a
great question. It needs it needs a
serious answer. I don't you know I can't
first of all I don't have a full answer
because the question is better than any
answer I can give and any answer I give
would be very lengthy but part of the
idea is is that there are limits to
human ability that there is much more
divine control of our futures and that
itself might be part of the lesson but
that's not a full answer that's not
that's not a
>> whole
it's going to happen regardless of
whatever
>> right but ain't
Right. So there's a just you will not
the is telling you was telling you
there's no such thing but there's a
limit how far takes you. So that's but
again your question is better than my
answer but this is the ramban rashi
works with a similar idea but I question
you um you know we're learning you know
what for quite a while now rashi we we
really don't know out of all the rish
rashi sometimes the most mysterious
because more than other rashi is a malik
he quotes how he really reads it I don't
I don't want to focus on rashi because
rashi is unclear but a topical looking
reading of rashi is like the rabban but
now I want you to go towards the
interesting rash what
>> so I mean rashi is everything but rashi
at the very same time is is I think I
think but again I'm I'm I'm just one me
right there are lots of other smart
people out there who might disagree some
people you're not you'll be surprised
but some people disagree with some of
the things I say it's happened before
right um so um so rashi is you know it's
not I don't want to but I I want to jump
to the rishim that really are are are so
thoughtprovoking. I want to go to the
Barbaranel standard region right
what rash I'm not I'm not really rashi
seems to be a lot like the why we use
this odd language of
but again it needs analysis and again
rashi is really more of a maket here so
I don't know you have a few rashi but I
I want to lead you towards the barbell
standard again if the if the barbanell
would have been written in a different
style he would be learned as much as the
ramban or the sarno the only reason
people learn him so so much. It's cuz
he's very lengthy. But the barbanell is
great. Great. The barbanell.
You know what the barbell says? It's a
bad thing. But I didn't even have the
heart to bring down the whole of
Barbaranell. I brought down some. You
look at the whole barnel side. It's
really upsetting. He says, "Look at the
kings we had in Jewish history.
One was worse than the next. We had
David.
There were some very difficult stories
David. So there are reasons. Don't
oversimplify and they're actually very
good you know with Bachva there's a
beautiful M that really you know gives
the story much depth so it's not really
what people see it as but once you leave
towards the later kings it's not the way
we imag
>> right right but by reason by a shiny one
is worse than the next that's what the
um barbanell tells you he says and why
are they why did they do the terrible
things they did because they were kings
because who stops a king a king there's
no one stopping him. When a a leader is
elected, he knows that after four years,
there's going to be another election.
And let's say he steals and kills while
he's in office, what's going to happen
to him? He's going to be punished
because because there's a balance of
power. With kings, there was limited
balance of power.
>> What?
>> These days, they'll re-elect him.
>> They'll reelect them. So, um, so um, so
the Abinel says kings are not a good
thing at all. So what's this business of
a of the terra allowing a king? You
know, if you're you're in the desert and
you have to survive the desert and the
only way and you're surrounded by
cannibals on one side and bandits on the
other um and and and and there's no food
and no water and there's one guy who
knows how to who who's a desert guide
who can guide you out of the desert, but
the only way to do it is to rob
everybody and and do terrible things.
People just might allow him to do it so
they can survive. You know, when you
have anarchy and you're surrounded by
enemies, unless you have clear absolute
leadership, you will die. So, we will
allow a monarchy. But it's a bad thing
and you're supposed to grow beyond it.
And the Ababanel writes, "I only brought
down part of the Ababanel. I feel bad. I
should have brought down more, but come
open the Ababanel and Shim." The
Ababanel says, "I lived it." The
Ababanel says, "I spent my life in Spain
and Spain was a monarchy and the kings
did terrible things." Barbanell had to
leave because of course the Inquisition
right
>> right he was given the choice of staying
but he's he chose to leave anyway he
went to Italy and what did he find in
Italy so Italy was actually a little bit
ahead of Europe and for many many years
it's a it's odd that Italy has become
what it has become but for many
centuries Italy was ahead was the center
of the Renaissance was the center of art
a lot of of a lot of scientific and
artistic discovery stem from Italy.
Think of the great artists and painters,
right? Who comes to mind?
>> Um Michelle Langalo, think think um
Italy? Italy. There's a lot of
innovation and thought and creativity.
And he says, "What is how does
leadership in Italy work?"
>> So they didn't have a democracy. How
could you have a democracy? Voting,
tabulating votes. But they had something
called sort of like an oligarchy or
plutoaucracy, different words. You had a
bunch of families. They were all
powerful. They ruled together. They
would balance each other out. It wasn't
I don't know exactly how it worked. What
>> would that be better?
>> Well, it's it's it's it's better than a
king. This balancing, but it's not of
true democracy. So, look what he writes.
I I wrote just a I brought down a little
bit of the Barbaranel. I should have The
big question is if you're going to come
back next week, that's then I'm going to
know if it was a good share.
We only have regulars today and a lot of
some of our regulars are away. So, but
if it's too good, you're not going to
come back cuz you're going to be so
excited. It's going to be too much,
right? So, too much is not good either.
Okay.
Okay. Look at
it's not impossible.
We have people getting together and
voting.
They'll be appointed for a year for
three years.
Look at his language.
The later ones will judge the early
ones.
It's you're more likely to have one
person sinning than lots.
He says experience proves that this is
the way it is that you know sayings when
you have sayings when there's a saying
whether it's English or Hebrew it means
that's the human condition one of the
most well-known sayings in English is
power corrupts absolute power
>> corrupts
>> absolutely right is it not such a well I
think
Yeah. So, um, and there must there were
sayings like this. Um,
um, so how did such a saying emerge? Too
much power was no good. It's a problem
today in in lots of circles. I
>> Yeah. And I don't want to talk about our
community, but sometimes it's a problem
in our community, too. I I think I think
some may disagree, but I think sometimes
it's a problem in our community, too.
You need balance. You need people to
talk back. You need push back. you need
lots of different ideas because
otherwise you just end up having bad
decisions being made. So he says it's
not a good thing and he says it's
progress when you move towards
democracy. He's very clear. The truth is
his language is a little bit more
Serbic. I I didn't have the heart to
bring down the whole Abarbanel um
because I I like staying on the straight
and narrow and behaving right because
everything is taped. Um but the
Abarbanel is very um is now now so the
Abarbanel is a long time ago right the
Abarbanell is is the 16th century but
you know with the passage of time right
the acqu are more black and white
there's an it
is 19th century I tell my kids all the
time it must have come up in the year
the nitiv is an aan who like writes like
a I think I think he's a who writes like
a what I think he's a cuz he's
innovative
He he's an individual. He speaks his
mind. He's an a who writes like a I want
you to see the
is actually tries to bring it all
together. You've got some sources saying
the Tyra allows it. If it's a bad thing,
why would the Tyra allow it? And you
have the Rama bring it down as a
mitzvah, but at the very same time, the
Pik tells you, well, if you need a king,
get a king, which makes it sound like
it's almost like a we only allowed
because of the need. Then you have this
the story in where there's a mitzvah the
but
criticizes them chastises them so
forcefully. How do you have the to do
this? What is it good? Is it bad? You
have all of these confusing sources.
Theel says the says something so
sensible and it's so obvious. Tell me
it's good for people to get married,
right? But can every man marry every
woman?
>> Not for everybody. But
>> right, you need you need to be
compatible, right? People, you know,
need to earn panasa. But can everyone be
a surgeon? Can everyone be an
electrician? Can everyone be a teacher?
You have a different kunus, right? Um
different people need to do different
things, right? Different people need to
marry different people. Different people
just people, you know, people are
different, societies are different. Um I
don't know that Kenya functions exactly
the way um um um Germany does. Different
countries, different needs, different
they're different, right? No one
functions like Israel. Israel is just
from right functions or this functions
but no one every country has its own,
you know, needs, right? And there are
different periods in time. So the nitiv
says something so extraordinary. He says
there are mitzvah that are about kadusha
holding a lulv. It does something for
you. There's something there. There's
it's it's a real mitzvah. It it recalls
um the s recalls
that defines your yiddishkite. But then
there are things that are about being
practical. Someone loses something you
you you um return it. But I'm not sure
that it's such a good idea to go ahead
and steal something from somebody so
that you should go ahead and return it.
Right? Sometimes it's about addressing a
need is about addressing a need. Um um
get no one should face this. Um divorce
is a mitzvah. So are you going to tell
me, oh I want I want the mitzvah of get
I'll divorce my wife and I'm not a coin
anyways. I can remarry her if I can get
a double mitzvah. Right. That's a little
bit crazy. You know some things are
about addressing needs and Oh yeah yeah
yeah.
>> Guys please. There's a sugar going on.
>> Yeah. And some things are about kaduca.
some things that that are about kaduci
you search and you try to do but when
it's about addressing a need if if if
god forbid a husband and wife can't make
it work they have to get divorced so
there's a divorce but you don't search
out a mitzvah like this you don't I mean
um if if something is lost you return it
but you don't steal steal it to return
it was it's sort of obvious right
it's a mitzvah to return a stolen item
you don't steal to return it to mitzvah
it's sort of a silly right it's it's
it's obvious
um mal is a little bit like this. Some
societies need a melik. Maybe ancient
primitive societies. How in the world
would you have a fair election in the
ancient world? How would you have an
election at all? Um to so the United
States was able to pull something
together in 1776,
but you already have a it wasn't the
modern world yet, but you had a little
bit you had a little bit of technology
already. Things were beginning, right?
It's after 1500. But in the ancient
world, how would you have an election?
How would you have an election? And how
long would And how would the people who
are voting know the candidates? H how
would you keep track of this? Right? And
and if it would be one country, but you
have 12wat who are markedly different
who fight against one another sometimes
and and you would you would have an
election without having a corruption,
you it would be impossible. And if you
would be a society that's at peace. But
if you're a society that is barely
surviving because you have the pushim to
the south, you have Ammon and Moab to
the east, you have Amalik, little
pockets of them all over, you're in a
society that is barely surviving because
you have real enemies.
You need strong leadership. How are you
going to around the leader? How are you
going? So, you might need a king. But if
you reach a point where things are
established and maybe there's technology
that allows for a proper election, then
you don't need a king. And if you don't
need a king, why should you have one?
Cuz there's such a downside to a king.
Because once he's a king and he might be
a very moral, decent person, but the
fact of the matter is his son is going
to grow up with the mala. Very possible
a son will become corrupt because you go
ahead and you have too much too easy,
very hard to be a disciplined person.
Um, so why do you want it? So some
societies need it and some societies
don't. And so the Torah deliberately
uses this vague, fluid, unclear
language. If you ask for a king, then
you get a king. And it is a mitzvah
going to Yehuda because then it's a real
real need. It's almost like he's melding
rahuda and into one. It's a response to
need, but when there's a need, it's an
absolute mitzvah. He's trying to bring
it all together. And he is in a really
extraordinary way which you would expect
of the look at the
okay.
But there's a he's going through
It's like a ship without a captain.
You can't make this an absolute mitzvah.
Sometimes you need it and sometimes you
don't.
as well. There's no absolute comm
because sometimes it's excellent and
sometimes it's terrible. Um, so what
he's doing then with the wisdom that the
always does. He's referencing the
Abaranel's idea without quoting it, but
you know, he saw this barbanell. He's
referencing rabihuda raoy. He's almost
coalesing them all into one. It's a
mitzvah sometimes when you need it. When
you don't need it, it's not a mitzvah at
all. when during Schmool's period the
people did not need it. How do we know
they didn't need it? Because tells me
you didn't need it. Now were schmoo's
kids unsuitable tells you they weren't
suitable. That's clear. Other people but
that period didn't need it because I
know you don't need it and you're asking
for this now is unnecessary. But when
they do need it, it's an excellent
thing. Okay.
Um
So sometimes it's yes and sometimes it's
not. Okay. So it all ties together and
so go to the end of the okay last few
lines.
So then it's it's interesting it's and
it's all coalesing into one. Sometimes
it's an absolute mitzvah and sometimes
it's when the people were asking for it
in time it was the wrong thing to do
knew they didn't need it was telling
them you don't need it. Um was enough he
was telling them you don't need it. How
will they manage? Maybe they couldn't
pull off an election. Um but still maybe
a chauffeet would have been better. a
melik where you're establishing a
dynasty that continues was not the right
thing. Now
this has created great discussion in
contemporary troll you should know
there's such a you don't have it here
but init learning is exciting in a way
that it isn't here because if you're
living in aritis ro and you're thinking
about it then think about everything
there what type of government should the
country have if you vote you're part of
it well what should it be should it
should there be a king you know a king
doesn't have to be an absolute king.
England has the king that plays almost
no role. It adds a certain dignity, a
seomnity. Maybe we should have, maybe we
shouldn't have. Um um but but there are
great minds. One of the there was Rashan
Marazar Israeli was a great mind. He
actually won the Israel prize um which
means respected all across the spectrum.
Um and he writes at length about this
and he and he really he really works
with an itive type of approach. He says
in the modern world look look around you
what functions better democracy you have
democracies. There are plenty of
countries where you still have
autotocracies. Where do people fear
better? Where are people treated better?
Where do economies grow? Which which
which which type of societies provide
greater liberties? Even religious
liberties
have
>> democracies always absolutely and and
there you know I I remember when when
when when when did I don't I think this
came up
>> Iran
>> right when England was fighting
Argentina and the Falklands I don't know
how it started but there was a a line
circulating that two democracies never
waged war against one another. It's an
extraordinary point. War is the most
destructive of um is the most
destructive activity a society can
engage in is war. Sometimes it's
necessary, but it's the most
destructive. But two democracies never
waged war against one another. Why not?
Because democracies are run by people
who care about people. They know that
when there's a war, my sons are going to
be going to the front and fighting. No
mother wants her son to die. When it's
an autocracy, you can bet that the
king's son is not going to go to the
front. Other people's kids will go. So,
he'll have no problem sending his people
to war. Now, sometimes a democracy has
to fight against autotocracies. So,
democracies fight autotocracies. Israel
has to fight to stay alive. America's
fighting Iran. But um but two
democracies are not going to fight one
another because the people are going to
make good decisions and millions and
tens of millions and hundreds of
millions of lives will be saved because
they're democracies. So the Nits is
saying explicitly that it's a sensible
path. The Abrael is actually more
farreaching than the Nits because the
says democracies are better. The Nits is
a little bit more politically correct.
He says every society knows what is best
and people are given the choice. Theel
says you and I know what is best. You
and I know democracies fear better and
there's less corruption. And look at
history. Talks about non-Jewish history.
And he talks about Jewish history. Kings
are not good. Kings just because they're
kings because they get away with
whatever they want because they know
everything. They um and no one counters
them. And what ends up happening when no
one counters you is your mind ends up
shrinking. When everyone tells you,
looks at you and says, "Oo, you know
everything." You end up knowing less
because there's no give and take, right?
There's no give and take. You you it's
everything is you. There's no give and
take. So kings end up being less capable
of making good decisions. Certainly
they're not driven by moral needs. And
so um that's where they go. So
>> they they do have their advisors
>> but they don't have to listen to their
advisors,
>> right? And advisors try to curry favor
because what happens is is that
gradually they become more paranoid and
gradually they start killing their
advisors. It it it's not a good place to
be a king's adviser. You ought to be a
rap.
>> Sounds like the story of B.
>> Yeah. Okay. It's nice to be back. Some
of our boys were back. Some were not.
But they'll be back next week. Got to
get Zisha back.
I hold. Okay.