Opinions of Rashi and Tosafos on the length of Teruah Practical Applications

Last week we spoke we brought in the mida one is to hear on rashash nine kyus the rice you're supposed to hear nine kilus we know we do 30 and in the 30 kilus we saw either we do 30 because we're unsure the 30 kilus the nine kilus of the disa what they are so we have to do 30 That's the sambam. So we blow 30 mopic and then we sort of high going that we blow 30 to do all the different but technically with nine get ready in today's we're going to speak about the length of a and from there to see what the other kus also and how long they have to be as well. The Mishna the Mishna that we learned the Mishna says how long should a be what's the length of a which means if you blow it any shorter you're not says the Mishna I'm sorry how long should a be the length of a of a has to be the length of three troys the garra actually explains that it's really the length of one cher the garra says that the mish is talking about the whole set and the bryce is talking about one for one but the tea and everybody that's a garra the tea how long does a tea have to be the length of a truer that's a long and we're going to discuss now and see how long does a truer have to be says the mishna and how long what is a truer shea a trua is made out is what just not to get confusing we'll call it three each short sound a peep a each small the shortest coil that you could imagine we'll call that a kayak that's all just through the we'll discuss a truer so rashi understands the Mishna that a truer is made out of three, three sounds. Tru is two. That's a trua. Not like we're used to and what we do, but is that a truer is three. That's a truer. So again, the length of a is like a truer which is made out of three we just saw and that is a true is three. So what comes out from shittita rashi is first of all how long does a tea have to be extremely short just the length of three kas three peeps two two that's how long the tea has to be doesn't have to be a long what we do a couple of seconds literally the length of three kas you that's how long the kia has to be and another thing comes out from is that the true is three that's what comes out clearly from shitas rashi what also comes out let's not forget about thearim how long is a chevver not how many sounds is it made out of but how long a truer which we saw now is three is three and a chevra we know also three. But how long does the sound of a chevver have to be? If you're going to blow the length of a chevver as long as three, which means each piece of the chev is going to be long three. Let's say you blow a chevver the three pieces, but each piece you're going to blow two as long as three, it's going to be already a tea. And if you're going to blow it only one kayak, it's going to be a truer. Yeah, was with me. A truer is one. A is made out of the length of three. So how long? How long does a chevver have to be? It's sandwiched in the middle. A chevver's got to be the length of two kas because if it's going to be any shorter it's a chua and if it's any longer it's a so we have over here clearly rashi a chua is made out of 222 a tea is has to be as long as a 222 that length and a chevver the length of each chev each piece of a chevver has to be as long as tutu. That's shittas rashi. Not all sounds all sounds yet or each kia should be the length of a truer. So if let's say a truer is not is three sounds a truer. Let's leave on the side what we actually do because we do not do this rashi which is brought in but let's go. We're going to go a 222. So you're saying that all sounds have to be the same. So how long does a kia have to be? The same length of a true and if a true is 222 then a kia is only has to be as long as 222 which means two that's it. So a chevver a chevver has to be somewhere in between a and a tru because if you're going to do it the length of three to as long as three kas it's already a and if you're going to do the chev or one kak it's a chu so the chev has to be somewhere in the middle but that's somewhere in the middle there's not a lot of space maneuvering space it has to be exactly two kas >> what' you Okay. >> When you say time frame, what do you >> refer? >> That is correct. That's right. We're going to get You're right. You're right. We'll speak about it afterwards. If that makes that have has to be longer also. That's a separate discussion. I don't think we're going to cover it now in the shar. But that's a very good point. Thank you for explaining that you're saying that the equal of all the shvaram together is ends up being longer. Let's discuss it afterwards. It's a very good point. So yeah, but they have three in a row. >> That is correct. Misha. Yeah. You you end up doing three. And the problem is if you're holding in the middle by the chev you never accomplish the chev. Yeah. And that's how we that's what we do. When the Mishna says the length of a tea is a chu that's rashi that's tyus that's everybody but how long is a ch the Mishna says which we saw explain is three sounds says and each is made out of three which means if a is three yavas and each yava is three kas, three peeps, three small sounds. How long is a ch nine? It's not muish in the Mishna but that's how Tissus explains. Tyus brings rashi and he asks questions and therefore mayor they explain the Mishna that when the Mishna says are true as threeavas each is three. So 3 * 3 is 9. So a true is made out of nine. So right away we have what changes is obviously the chu like we do it we do a chu is made out of nine like the Mishna says how to understand which each one is three so that's nine and what else changes obviously the length of the Mishna says how long is a as long as a so if au is made out of nine k so then Your also has to be longer. Your has to be as long as nine. What happens now to the So the became a whole lot easier now because you almost have from two to nine the whole in between could be the size of a chev. We're going to speak late soon a little bit more that it's not exactly the whole two to nine two to eight but again a sh au is made out of nine kas nine means shortest k as possible nine of them and a k has to be as long as nine kas. So a chev which is longer than a trua but shorter than its k has to be somewhere in between one and nine. So we have a rashi and the length of a does it have to be three. I'm sorry not the length of a but how is a trua made out of three or nine? We have a in the length of a does it have to be long three or long nine. And then we see aim also. How what the size of a chevver each piece of the chev how long does it have to be too or could it be anywhere between two and eight. This nav is also when you do avarim which yeti brought up before that aren't all the ka supposed to be the same length and that's is it is supposed to be the same which obviously when you do a shvaram chua a shvaram chua is for sure going to be longer than a chua because you're doing both you're doing a shvaram and a trua so what comes out from a shvaram chua what's going to be longer the tea of a shvaram true has to be longer. That has nothing to do with any that's when the Mishna says that the length of a is like a so depends what your is. If your true is awarim then your has to be long as long as aim. But since we just saw that how long a tru is or maybe even how long avarim is. So then by the true that also there's going to be a difference how long the should be just on a side note that it makes a difference for all the across the border auarim and even the set of tru that is going to change how long it has to be before the true or after >> very good question but it's both both the when the mission says the length of the has to be like the trua means that kia before and that afterwards. So now that we have the length of a and also the size the length of avarim and how many pieces is a true made out of. Let's try to go through one by one how much room you have in changing it around and we'll see maybe if we could even come to common grounds to be both a again we said is how long a tea has to be. So technically you could be all the by doing a long could one do a long not a rashi says that k is made out of three kas a very short kia and tyra says that k is made out of nine are longer could you do longer than you need so the pasta says you could blow as long as you want these mitzvah of kaz matzah you're allowed to eat by the kaze kazim there's no bis So when the Tyra says to blow it blow it the minimal shear is either like how long the kia has to be but this and that's the you could blow a kia 13 seconds also every single tea that's not recommended because it'll knock you out but you could blow a kia even as long as you want. So that's pretty simple. A tea, we're not going to blow very long teas, but we'll blow enough to be even just on a note that even if you're going to blow a tea as long as a longer butman says don't blow blow longer than that, which means don't blow at more than needed. Why? The Gomorrah says, "How do we know? How do we know it's the Gomorrah says like Rashi says a straight coil there is the biscuit that he was that a should literally be straight. He had by him the practice that a should be super straight. No changing of the tone in the middle the pitch higher lower the means a straight coil literally straight. Now that's even where speaks about it. He says even you don't have to be and know we are there which means if it's a good even if it changes a middle not a crack but even if the coil goes up it goes down these a change of pitch it's a good kia but says ofman that much I would say don't blow the tea longer than needed and that's going to cause that the pitch might change so for that at least Let's try to accomplish this sheet of the the pitch of the tea not changing. Now again, if you blow the shear and it changes, it's not a problem. But if you're blowing above the shear, not that it's a problem, but why blow extra long teas and the pitch of the tea is going to change and you're not going to be able to accomplish this hid of a straight straight coil. So again could be as long as you want and we could do a toas that's that's excellent. A au obviously a true you can't make too a tru you can't make too long if you're going to do it too long it's going to turn into a chevver a chevver you can't do too long because it's going to turn into a Why? Because a chevvery, how long is a chevver? Two. No, but each chev each piece of a chevver is made out of the amount of two. So if you blow a one piece of a chu a little too long, that is already a chevver. So if you're holding by a tarat, >> oh that's exactly very good. Very good. We'll get to Moshi in a second. First, the length of the truer or the length of awar each piece if you're going to blow it a little too long, you're going to run into problem. It's going to turn into a it's going to turn into the next ky a tru is going to turn into a chev. A chev is going to turn into buti brought up very well already that of course a tru without any question you could blow as many as you want. We blow nine so we can be all the yittita. So we blow nine rashi it's only three but rashi doesn't mind if you blow nine and even that says you need nine tru you could blow 35 also so in the mount of kas you could do as many as you want a lot of bala try to figure out how to get the truer to about a little over nine because to do 15 again knocks you out but you could do as many as you want A you could do as long as you want. We sort of it's better to not go too long. A chev I'm sorry. A truer. A trua. You could do as many as you want. Av you do more than threewarms. Could you do more than threewarms? All of our when it says when they do three. Could you do more than threearams? Says you could. says it's not a problem. You could do more. You could do more. However, the brings that say it's better not to do more. wasn't. So >> that's >> no it's you're asking if let's say someone did by a chev or he did more than three. It's not enough of a reason to blow it over and we're going to get to it shortly that blowing it over could actually be a problem because then you have to do over the whole row. So nope you don't have to. Even the brings that not to do it. But if you do it to say that you were that's >> right. You're right. You're saying on a practical level also thewaram three you could count nine is smaller town is a shorter longer number and it's almost impossible to exactly n. Yeah, agreed. It's easier you're saying to get towarim three than to get to true or nine. The good Bali tea have a way with the beats, but you're right. It's definitely much harder to get exactly nine. What happens if you actually blow by a true you blow instead of nine you blow you go on in other words it takes instead of nine kas which will be two seconds it'll take you now about seven seconds for an example you go the tru is a whole bunch of them since the mishn says that the kia has to be as long as your truer does the kia now have to be longer because your draws instead of nine kas it's 35 kas so you have a longer chu does your k also have to be longer in other words is a kachua delay your personal trua or is it only the shar that's needed the pisk in the pkim don't speak about it The on the Mishna says delay which means if you do 35 truis you have to blow a longer. So to bring it now together we have a rash and tis how long the shu is three or nine and therefore how long the tea should be and how long the chev should be the brings both rash and tyis The brings both cheetahs. Could we be both cheetahs? So we sp mentioned before the you could do as long as you want the you could do as many as you want. So then you could be but we said the chevashi has to be exactly two has to be longer. Why? Because like mentioned before all the all the kus have to be the same length. And if a the length of a is nine, so then the length of avarim all three pieces together also has to be nine. You with me? Y avaram also has to be nine. Which if a shvarim has to be made out of nine, how much is each chev and rashi? If you're going to blow a chevver made out of three kas that's a key already. So in the you can't be both. If you do a chev like rashi which is two that's too short and if you do chev which is three that's too long rashi that's already at however the brought in the m appish on the mafim that you could make more sharims. We saw the not to do it. You could blow more. So even though the total of all thearams together has to equal to be nine, the length of a why is a nine? Because a true is nine. So your chev also your whole set of threewarims has to equal nine. Do a couple more. Do fivearims and all five shvarims should equal nine. So now each chev is going to be less than three. And if each chevra is less than three, it could be all the so we have a way that you could blow all the types of kus was like that as well. But that's not the minimum. The minimum is to go like we blow nine shu is as long as nine and the is about three maybe a little more but around three >> kas I got to personally So if you go with a person's length of a trua, that wouldn't make a difference in rash and tyus from three. Why? Because I want to just back up in your question. You want to know when a person blows a tru what type of what's the the length of the sound? Some people could blow sharim a true I mean I'm sorry like a machine so speeding fast and some people takes a little longer which is true and the pkim speak about it if that makes the longer also because if you're true you're true as nine or three but those nineas could be let's give an example a second and a half or it could two and a half seconds. So the how do you to be the length of the tea also but you're right also in rashi and typhus and let's speak about it afterwards how it's going to change but there's a talk in the pkim in this general shil where you're asking does it change when different people blow true as different sizes does it change the tea and what you're bringing up in rash entice also >> yeah you're pointing out could be What the average time that's how long it k does it also how the about how fast he does it or he's a general shear on the clock only one second or >> you're right it's normal and you can look at the clock and all the you look at the clock meaning to say is even if you go with a person's length you look at the clock that's always advised even when a bala when I blow I ask the balm mockery to tell me that when I I'm finished the shear of the to stop whatever the shear is but a nothing there's no shear it's so there could be a baa that blows it so speeding fast that all nine could take him a second then there's a baya that blows all nine which are going to fast but not as fast and it'll take two seconds. So how long does the tea have to be? If this BA took him a second, the key also has to be as long as it should be 1 second. And if it takes the Balta 2 seconds, then the T should be two seconds. >> If the truer could be I'm just giving it as an example. If the truer could be one second, then yes. Rashi Rashi that how long is it true? Three. So yes, a ka could be one second. Rashi's kas are very short. I want to just uh mamish bikitzer allow me about three minutes just to bring a big between rashi and tis rashi is a ka which means it's shorter and tyus is ara we do longer like tyus however what happens the following and it could happen and it actually once happened to me two years ago what happens The balta said and you blew three. Usually a trua is made out of nine. We do like but you blew three kas. Now to understand the Shiloh you have to know two denim there's one den that if is having a hard time and he's working to get that coil out whether if it's a shvarim a true it's coming out all types of funny sounds and he finally gets it that's fine it's not called a heik it's not a heik it's niskal you're trying to do the shvaram and it broke up in the middle and you have to do it over that's fine That's niskal and you just keep on trying till you get it. However, if let's say you blew the true already after you blew the truer, you went ahead and you blew some other sound. You did a the first you did a truer. After the you did another or you did awar the is that it's a and you have if you're mafik in the middle of the row you have to start over and do the re and not the whole set of all 10 but that row you did a a truer and then you blew another truer you have to start again from the tea you lost that k you're showing it's a heick So I want to ask the what happens. You blew the you blew a but it was only made out of three. What should you do now? If you're going to blow what what should you do now? If you're going to blow another trua to be to do nine. So you're running into an issue because Rashi is going to say whoa whoa whoa don't blow another truer you already y and if you're going to blow another truer it's a heftick to continue on to do the fine to do to continue on and do a gania tyus is going to say one minute you didn't do the tru yet so what do you do in such a scenario you blew a true of three were you a true or not you not Very good. But just a second. But again, we do like but don't tell me we do like so then just do over. But then you're being because Rash is going to say if you just do over the truer, you're doing it a second time and you weren't yita. So what do you do over here? What should you do? So the pkim a lot of them say that like pointed out you have to do over the whole row start over from even though the says this is an important says still And the misha says you can rely on rashi still say to pkim that want you start over the road there is a a shila maybe some say you don't have to because you're not really you don't want to be with that and if you don't want to be it's you're not and some say you even like you're not to be the kesh says that it's not like you're not to be because you want to be but the is that if such a case comes out. We have Rash and Tyus even though we go with Tyus, but if you're just going to do over the it's going to end up being a because Rash is going to say you can't just do over the because you already and it's a halfick. So what's going to come out is that if somebody makes a mistake by the and he blows only three, what would be is he has to start over the row again and do the over as well. So we have a rash and the length of the how many truas and the length of a chevver and we see which will come out even if we go like and which is brought in the to blow over the whole row. Have a good chabas.