Kedushas Shabbos Shiur with Rabbi Simcha Bunim Berger - Clapping Hands on Shabbos

Okay, good evening. Another week in Shir of Kadusha Shabas. This week's limud is all about clapping hands, making music hears the shila. A person's ina shabas and he gets all excited and he wants to clap on his the table. He wants to clap his hands. Permissible. permitted or not permitted mut or user. The is you're not allowed to play musical instruments and there's a geron that says that you're not allowed to make noise. Is the noise any kind of noise? Is it mus musical ri with rhythm? So if I wanted for example to wake somebody up who's sleeping and we do this [applause] is that permissible mut or user on chabas is that type of clapping hands user or if you want to quiet a crowd and take your spoon and bang the cup to get everybody to shush. You're making noise and you're using a fork or a spoon with a glass. Is that permitted or not permitted? Is it about making rhythmatic noise? Can I knock on the door with a door knocker on chabas or can I knock on the door like this? Mut or user? Are you allowed to do that? That's what we're going to learn about tonight. Okay, here let's see it inside. And the are making him he's so awake. He's galdic. He wants to clap his hands. Is this permissible or not? Let's take a look and start directly with the source. It's a gimmorra. It's on page. It'll look like this. It's on page one. Ba dam the Mishna in the middle of the Mishna it's begins there are certain categories that is user because of means the raon said this is user what are they he goes through a number of things you're not allowed to climb on a tree you're not allowed to ride on a behemoth you're not allowed to float on the You're not allowed to clap your hands. You can't slap your foot. You know where people would slap their foot. You can't slap your foot. Miraact and you can't dance. All of these are user says the says rashi clapping your hands slapping your thigh right clap stomping your feet. You see where that is in Rashi gentlemen and the Gar explains or maybe let's change the gear some takes it out if you're not satisfied with the noise that you're making and the tendency is that people when they get into it will want to make better and more noise. So you'll take a kayali, you might fix or make a kali, do something to start bang like like take a box and start drumming on it and make it like a makeshift drum. So the israir that's the lotion of the gimra and that's a rash is mentioning. So all of this is also because of a gazer says the next page page two theor continues. You're not allowed to dance. You're not allowed to clap your hands. You're not allowed to slap your feet. Ask a very simple question says the but people are doing it. People are clapping their hands. So why are we not stopping them? And we're not saying anything to them. Why are you letting them get away with it? Asks the Gmorrah. The Gmorra over there says brings another point. And then he says better sometimes if people won't listen. You have to use the of that says sometimes it's better not to inform them. If you see they won't be able to control themselves and you're scared they won't be able to listen. Better to be not informed at this way they'll just be a shik. Now you won't say that with an israisa straight away and that's already another conversation we're talking about right if a person's eating well even then I you know what I don't want to get off on that on on that tangent right now of how far you go so I'm going to hold off on that for now but we'll say it only what it says in the gimra that's what the gimar says and then comes tyus tyis comes up with the big See that little you can't clap your hands because you might make a fix a cliche according to us says sh you know Back then they knew pretty well how to make makeshift musical instruments. They were able to make them very easily. That's a major. Let's translate that. Is saying that society and what it was like back then is no longer in any way, shape or form the way it is right now. People don't have the where the the knowledge of how to make a makeshift clea and it wasn't so prevalent. It isn't the way it is in tis's times as it was back in the times of the gimar and times of kazal the times of the mishna. So [snorts] therefore wants to say that although it seems in the Mishna and in the Gmorra it's it's user but there's a reason to be mate going forward. Having said that let's see how we pasin in the and in the take a look at page three. [clears throat] You cannot clap your hands. Hand against hand. Not your hand on your thigh. Miraact or dancing. putting your finger on the ground on a board or snapping your finger or to shake a little eos a nut and to make a rattling sound with a rattle for a tin or to have like a bell so people should be quiet. All of this is attacking there. You might end up doing a cliche. That's what the the what would be permissible. This [applause] would be permissible. That would be motor. But you see that people clap and they dance and nobody's like it says in the gim. That's number one. Everything is why since it's therefore like and therefore we can be. So there seems to be three opinions here in the opinion number one which is the opinion prohibited user opinion number two which the Ram brings down even though it's but if you see someone doing it wrong you know that means don't say anything gish because it's not the thing that you have to make a third opinion saying that actually it's mut because it's no longer relevant. How does the Mishna Bura Pascin take a look at page on page where this is the page it's over here page four this is where he quotes it over here [snorts] when he says it's he mentioned a long list of things like shaking a rattle or ringing a bell and he talked about and clapping your hands and stomping your feet and then he said it's mut I want to set the record straight, says it's going on clapping your hands or hitting your thigh or dancing and not everything else. even when we do let you do it which it says according to Tyus it's permissible unless it's a mitzvah unless you have a mitzvah to do it right what does that mean mitzvah so here's the kasha this year Abu Alenua is going to be on Shabas for is on Sunday for the >> it's on chabas which means is on in this point making a cle is shabas. So init, they sing, they clap. I thought you told me there's you can't do it. Take a look at this page over here. It's in the beginning of the he addresses it right here. When you're when when we are praising, you see where it is right here. Letter that's the bold letters. You're allowed to dance when they're praising the when because of the last that's called is to be with the fact that we have finished the right you finish it off it's a big party. It's a big it's covered at people buy aliyah we start boracious again etc. So therefore it's permissible. But if you have even though it's when we talk about what you could do is dancing and and clapping your hands, but no shakers, right? Those like things that will rattle or make, you know, like uh those um >> on >> what's like you use on purum, etc. Don't do that because you shouldn't you shouldn't be using any cliche. So we found besides of the tis which tis said since it's not so practical right that it's mut we found another which the mission mentions in two places which is in yan mitzvah when it's covered. Okay. Now, take a look at page four and the gives a major to being able to clamp your hands on shabas. And I want to translate that. You should be very clear means it was never prohibited. It's not like the opinion that we heard earlier that it's user but we're not going to push the agenda because or it might even be more than what said that it's no longer relevant. He wants to say because it's no longer relevant. This type of clapping at this time was never asserted. Let's see what he says. Back then it was times that they would do with musical instruments instruments and they would dance and clap with the order of that song with that. [snorts] We don't have any of that. All we do with our mouth when we're singing vocals. All the things that we do is nothing similar to what they did. The go when the said clapping dancing was because the in their reality had something very close to being problematic and is shabas their clapping was one step away of making a musical instrument. So for them it was for us and we're so far removed from that reality that if they would have been in our times they wouldn't have made this gazer. [snorts] So as such therefore according to the opinion of the so therefore it's not like we're um being lenient on a gazer. We're saying this is maybe taking to its fullest extent. We're saying the gazer was never made under these circumstances. Therefore there's no need for restrictions whatsoever. That's the novelty of the interestingly enough Shinberg the Rashiva of Tyra R on page you'll have it here on page looks like a 10. It got cut up but this is what it looks like. Page 10 says the following what's called hands clapping as you see it in English says the omission of said that only if you do the back of your hand that's when it's permissible and the what's the asked Shinberg, should we do like the or should we do like the answers only with excuse me for his you can rely on Even if a person does everything like the Mishna period, but even though I'm telling you it's have accepted upon themselves to be and that's okay. They're allowed to accept themselves to be Mahm. But that doesn't mean a person who doesn't want to accept upon himself to be Mahm doesn't have to. That's what Shinberg was saying. Now right he says you have who to rely on. Okay. So having said that certainly if you see someone else in the crowd clapping their hands for etc based on what it says in the that it's even and even what it said in the according to the that you don't have to you obviously wouldn't tell him to stop but that was all the opinions of the Rammo, which is the Ashkanazi opinion. Let's see what Rebeady Yoseph in Yalut Ysef, that's on page eight or 14 over here at the bottom. Let's see what Rebead Ysef wrote. [sighs] It looks like this. We're going to start with the You're now to clap your hands. Not on your thigh, which means in the back of your hand, as we showed, is since therefore they said, "You cannot dance. Even though there are those who are says Yoseph for there is no permission. There's no basis to be Reb was very clear. So much so you have a people dancing in the sh. It's an Ashkanazi sh and there's a there in my sh I have a couple of when there's a or there's a sim and the dances the don't dance [snorts] and if they do listen to what wrote no You need to tell the fellow that his dancing is tell it to him not roughly, not aggressively, but tell it to him with finesse. Tell it to him easy. Don't bark at him. Don't just very you want to use a beautiful and clear lotion so that people shouldn't then afterwards be you know then dapka so to speak. I think that's what he's referring to. What would he say about? >> What would he say about Storasha? I was thinking about that too. What would Yoseph say? So, we saw already the Mishna Bura that says that it's permissible. I have to ask one of my tal what they do. I have to ask. I don't know what they would do. I'm going to assume that it's mut but but I have to ask just to verify. Okay. On the other hand, which is next page to dance on. And don't forget where this is. That's shv would sometimes on night after the learning the am would start dancing and clapping after a long night of learning. They would then have a in this there's not much difference between 100% says. Now let's talk. So where we've gotten to at this point is we've to summarize we have a major split between and in the general rule about clapping hands right about clapping for music banging a table right banging a table we haven't talked about yet. We've just talked about clapping hands or stamping your feet. We haven't talked about right the the the says all of the stuff even with the body is on the table going with the it's already okay now I um I think this is the rough from kirat safer See where I am, gentlemen. Page 19, right? To hit your hand on the table or using Here you go. The isser. Now, [snorts] how about giving a person an ovation for a great [applause] speech? The same opinion that just said it's user to clamp which is like the during a speech >> because it's not meant for sheer. It's not about music. >> It's not about music. Which means this RV is defining the isser to not make noise, but rather the isser is to make music or to make a rhythm that goes along with music, which would mean according to Ref Kenner, I think it is, according to him to wake someone up, which we talked about in the beginning of our shar to clap [applause] your hands and wake someone up or even to bang a kay and make noise for the purpose of shir would be mut and that's what Ruben in his say for on the next page writes okay clapping your hands you're not supposed to clap your hands on but you could do it if it's not to wake up people who are sleeping the says based on what he said it's it's mut excuse me according to rab we saw or it's actually that's the opinion of all of those shittas that say that the ger of the iser is making music which would mean that if you wanted to use a cup and bang on a cup to go ahead and and you know like they would do should be permissible because you're not making music you're just shushing the so that should be okay right or but to go ahead and That's a shear. >> That's a song that would be prohibited. >> On the footnote ruben brings the said you can't make noise. All of it would be user. And therefore, when they asked Kyvski, can you go in the dormatory and you want to wake up the bakim? This is on page 12 or page 21, the last page. Can you clap your hands [applause] and wake up the brim like that? Can you wake up the brim user? because he's following the villner and he's saying the gather of the gazer was making noise with your bright making noises user because then you might make a cliche. So again what do we have yet those who want to be make those who want to be makeel and and um wake up someone keep you know to bang on right someone's going want to bang on the table there are certainly yay there's you could be make we just saw that kvki the the go was mm but we saw many others that said Many of the said that there's a very good sad to be Mel in such a case. You could be Mel because you're not doing it for in the sense of a music. You're just doing it for one reason. You're just doing it to quiet the or to wake somebody up. Even if a person gets into his niggan on Yamiff or on Shabas in they get all into it and they want to be enthusiastic there are enough of that said that it's Mut and even those who said that it's user were masim that you shouldn't stop someone else from doing it unless you're and he'sardi or he'sardi not you at least unless he'sardi because then moran bet as said said that that was user and that's the only example of where we know that there is a prohibition of not being able to do it and also telling someone else not to do it in general I just want to take a minute or two just to talk about this idea and the positive note singing is The way that a person that is given us the opportunity to be shabas when we say or sing and we sing a total of 10 verses the 10th one being when we turn around and we bring the shabas in normally in clus the minig is we do it with bishro Why? Because that's an expression of I'm going to use the Yiddish word means uplifting. You're lifting your spirits. You're lifting your nishama. And you're not just going towards shabas in your physical self. You're going toward Chabas in an uplifting where we feel lucky when a person is I was once walking the streets of your with I saw a person coming out and he started dancing on the street. He was singing and dancing and we looked at him. He said, "I just got engaged. I just got engaged." And you can see he's misle the malus is coming. I almost don't understand how a person can be shabas without singing vubistu. Where are you? What do you mean? You're sitting there some people I mean looking in their safe for a middle. That's not what shabas is all about. And if you don't get it, maybe you don't know what chabas really is. Then kazal say you can never explain to someone what a taste tastes like. You want to know what an orange tastes like? You can stand here and talk to someone till you turn blue. You'll never be able to explain it. Or what a banana tastes like. Or what the color orange looks like. You can't explain an experience. You can only experience. And if you don't know how to experience it, you never will. The way to experience Shabas is bishim is to not just say the words, but to sing them so you lift yourself up. And if it's true that sometimes a person eenished he can't hold himself back and he claps and he dances because his goof isn't containing him. Kazal said don't tell him to stop. Don't stop him. Let him appreciate the shabas. Let them be uplifted so they could be z to experience because at the end of the day there's no way me or anyone else can tell you what chabas feels like. All we could say is try it. You'll like it. Have a good chabas. >> Dancing is included in this. >> Yes, >> absolutely. >> Sometimes you see people at the end of the whole movie, you know, dancing. >> You want to keep it? Yeah, that's right.