HOW AND WHEN CAN THE SHOFAR BE BLOWN ON SHABBOS - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

So there are three sheetas in the Mishna. Thank you. You got three shittas in the Mishna to explain the where they made it to blow the threeas the first that's the first any place that he's a we'll soon see what exactly that means but any place that he's a no not any place that he's Bezdon only beyavna what does it mean bavna why dafa bavna so rashi explains b yavna was the place at the time that had the bezdon sha iron olive and Dr. Mishna only where the where there's a BZL that's where you could have that's where where you blow at the time when it wasn't Bav was somewhere else you could also blow but only beyond only in the place where there's a shal >> that's yeah yeah >> correct that's the second cheetah the third cheetah is what's to blow even on doesn't make a difference. As long as he's a Bezdon, you blow. So before going into it exactly where the heather is why did make so I'll share one reason that I saw from the and he explains the cloenber based off the taz in today's sh we're not focusing on the on the iser which we spoke about this the last time rashashana fell on chabas over here in the ky tin two or three years ago. The Taz asks why is it only user rash that we don't blow and let's say when rash falls out to be during the week we should also not blow why only when it's shabas alma yenu there's another you're not allowed to blow any other shabas on to blowifer why not clay you're going to So the should have been that you never blow. That's the Taz's question. And the Taz answers that the didn't want to be the mitzvah. If they would say that even when Shashana falls out of the week, you don't blowifer, it comes out they say there's no more ever again. That they didn't want to do. So what they did what they did was is But if they would say you never blow, you never blow. They're being which by the way, I I forgot if the Taz himself says it. We don't say that you'll take the knife. There's a lot of roots over there. But why don't you say it? Because the Tory says the Tory says to do the bris even on Shabas. So if you're going to say you're not to do it, you're being okay that's just a pointer says to that that's why they wanted to make the that's why sorry that's made the to blow at least somewhere in the world even on Shabas not to be on Shabas but let's get now to again the says that you blow even on Shabas I'll upon Tanakama says any says only says any sock the Gmorra what's the difference between the and they both say any what's the difference so the Gmorrah says bezden shall acroy bezdon aroy means of which means you don't have a full-time bezdon a bezdon just popped up for the time being. It gets busy in tish. They make a bezdon. Could you use such a bezdon to blow on Chabas? So that's the Harashi explains. Tanakama says even just confirm that [cough and clears throat] Tanakama says even a shall you don't have it the whole year. And the arm is that it's but you don't need a bonf is good. So what comes out? We learned a mishna with a gor to understand to blow on chabas. When do you blow on chabas? We have a tanakama. We have that say that when you have a bezdon or bestd kav you could blow. So let's think for a minute right here my able to blow and even if you just have a popup bezdon and if you have a bestdonav we have places that have be these are these are places here in my that have a bezdon throughout the whole year so should come out that you blow now if you're listening to the sh don't stop now and say okay let's go through clearly the in regard to how you pass in I'm just going to read the of course we pass in between the three sheet we pass like the tanakama that's the raim we pass like the tanakama raam the others you pass like the tanakama the ra and a pair of bay says haz which now we're referring to bestdava. Okay, so he understands a little different than that requires a bezdon kav. Okay, he flips it around. Not like a rashi learns tanakama doesn't eat kav the other way around. Okay, but he says three words which is a gamecher. The Rambam says regardless of the you needed to be a mus passed down which we do not have a bezd in Mus. So therefore even that requires a best in kav which we have a best in kav but the rabb adds you also need a best in mus so we don't have a best in mus so ma comes out we don't blow we don't blow on shabas because we don't have a best in mus even though we have a best in kav but not az along the lines of the sambam is also the sabal ham and the Rambam they all the same like the Rambam. So ra if we stop right here it's very clear that you do not blow anywhere anywhere on chabas because we do not have a mus the ran the rush bring the sarif and the mur to the zarif begins because the riff only brings that are neg and the riff brings our gum brings the gum. If we stopped before the riff, is it blowing? It's not. So why does the riff bring it? Explain the dam that the riff holds in the sheet of the tanakama that you need a best, but you don't need a best in you don't need a best in mus could be you don't even need a best in kava. That's just a question how you understand between and but you don't need a bezman any city that has a bezden kav not kav but if you have a bezdon you could blow on chambas >> you want to know if only in thedon it says >> the city has to have a you have to go to the best to more. >> What does a musm do more than a >> you want to know why you need a mus? No. No. Azm would be let's say good point. That's you have a bestim gimmel. So we have today also a shimmel but a bestim would be let's say to be mades would be one example different things that would be a classical example. what you what would define what >> it's one of the reasons we also don't m you saw that people are going all over hills mak that people are going all over and if you're going to have up here it's going to become all over the place and different things so me did it that's would be a good example of a bezen musmah but me if you don't if you do not need a bezen musm you could blow on chabas that the riff used to blow on Shabas because the riff says as long as you have a B you don't need a B in MMA just the the Lion Van He he actually says you do have to do it in the other conflicting opinions in the whole city but >> only in that place. We'll get to that in a minute that the Shila came up about 150 years ago. The same idea also of Shalom the T. He said that maybe the reason why the rift did it be he didn't do it you know in the main sh in town because he knew this is not every not everybody agrees to the ta not everybody agrees as we said the sambam the tour brings this and the tour says we're not like that explain you have to have a he even saysim but but Even even a a bez of gimmel also we don't have so even clearly that says we do not blow the without any exceptions. Just interesting to note one of the when he speaks about the mitzvah of and then he brings towards the end he says I heard blue and yeshiva is yeshiva and then says that says the he tells the wrote is safer for his children and his friends his children's friends so they should be able to We go through the mitzvah. He writes this in writes in histo writes my children and his friends my children and their friends to be able to go through the mitzvah of the par. So the says I I I'm telling you that the riff says to blow but says my son you could choose if you do want to blow or you don't want to blow but says we do not blow and that's the end of the story. I do want to however quote that and bring up I would say 150 years ago Rabbak Ysef Schlesinger a Talmud cipher he moved to he made Ali moved to 1870 about 150 years ago. One of the many called interesting things that he wrote about and that he worked on was about this concept. This arif to blow shaifer on shabas in trees memb in 1882. That was a year of rashali shabas and he was working very hard to blow to to fear like the rift to blow on chabas. It was in your It was a big toml between the raon zoneld was not mim was mim in theory but do it lisa at that year he blew he blew like the law should they bring is he blew for himself so I don't know if the shot was is because he held to do it so he did it for himself but he didn't do it they write I could just say what writer Zunfeld despite that he wasn't masc but he went behind the door to listen to the teas because Lisa we'll get to that in a moment maybe he wasn't supposed to do it even but Lamisa if these are if these co are being blown why not listen and be so that's what they bring he tried doing it again in 1905 Five, which was also a rash for Shabas to blow the on Shabas and again it was a whole toml and what they bring very powerful that he did not blow but just to bring this rift that we said that he was no was try they tried to kind of like revive this mig again lisa wasn't was a nimsh at the part of the tada. We're going to continue now for a few more minutes in the she in the but not the tada that it's mutter. We're gonna continue v of blowing. You blow on Shabas. He's not like that. But you blow you let it blow. When told us you now let it blow. How did they tell us not to blow? Did they tell us? These are mitzvah. The Tyrus says to blow, but we're telling you don't blow because we're afraid you're going to be on meaning to say the stool is a mitzvah, but they said don't be the mitzvah could tell us not to be mitzvah or maybe even more. The not only they told us not to blow, they were actually and they said there is no more mitzvah of blowing. So I I I think the no the discussion of before look that's where where it's mut means even though the said it's asser everybody agrees there is some place where it's mut the raam says only if there's a mus but if there's a mus they never spoke here it's mut >> but if he held it was a place of means and he and >> oh so if he went to listen very good I I very good I have the taka written by me at the died from this that he went to go listen which we mentioned before held that ifad if the if they were so what are you going to listen but though you could say there could be he was for this of the but good point this would be the is the mitzvah somebody was over absolely Absolutely not allowed to do it. You not want to be no sh in the world. But let's see somebody did. Was he yes or no? If they only thing they told you is not to blow. Okay. So you were over on the absolutely not right. like stealing the shirt >> or >> maybe >> they speak about or or that that would make that would actually invalidate the mitzvah or they will and even if you blow from today till tomorrow you have no mitzvah. So really is if you're a mitzvah but where is where is that if you're the mitzvah or not? Okay. So, we'll come up and we'll see if we got you know says the holds that you only make auash the first day by you only make a shaku the first day not the second day. Ashkanazanu though we try to have either a new begged or a new fruit which is actually not neg for this year because you don't blow the first day so the second day you make a shakanu I blow so I know every year I arrange myself to have a fruit for this year I don't have to have it because I only make one shakanu the second day all of us in kali soul everybody else if you just listen to the shakanu so ma it's not a shin s vegas anyways The mabra says that you only make a shakyanu the first day. So I want to ask you Rabai if you make theu the first day on shabas you blew the do you make the shakayanu again the second day if the is a mitzvah you you don't make a shaku because you already made a shaku the first day if it's not a mitzvah so it's a regular of and you make a shaku the second day drums. He he brings out this uh nav in the shila rib >> what say >> we're really we're speaking and learning now because nobody's going to go now and blow on chabas but I'm telling you we're speaking and learning but if somebody was do you make again the second day very The question is only of the person that actually made the book or anybody who actually >> That's an interesting question. That's an interesting question because lines of everybody else that listens but how much would it be in a gain? I'll explain to you. You mean to say if let's say the next day who's who's it's already a Shiloh the Baltan if the Balta made the first day could he make it again? >> The story that he behind the door did he make the next day >> if he was the Balta? That's a good question. >> No, even if he's not the saying, >> I understand. And but if he's not the balt the second day and they didn't blow the first day so the balt is anyways making but it's a good sh this if if they need it or not but I don't know how neg it is because the balt is going to make you want to know if it's anul that they blew already for everybody to know this shift should make another first that we're going to leave on the side for now. If you make a shaky again and if you blow another time at people, >> it's not the same Shila here. Sh is if the first day was a if you have to do what you can make that's a mama a separate discussion we'll leave it on the side a separate child he wants to know if you can make a shaku one day a few times >> so l now I want to continue all sh'll be after I really want to end on time so says says that mimitzvah crystal clear says that if somebody blows on shabas he's mim the mitzvah explains you know why you kind why is it like that because means they could tell us don't take lulf don't blow but they can't tell us go do an aumasa they could says a ner they could tell you not to blow but can't tell us. Now the kazal can't go and take apart the mitzvah. That would be you could hear that that's not becom means they tell you go do an a but understood that taking apart the mitzvah that there is no more mitzvah that's called on this there are many kashas um has 103 kashas that he asked and one of the kashas is this on this sheet of he has it's a whole but he asks and he brings three different places that you find that actually were the mitzvah as long as you're in the suk you don't need your whole body in the suk you don't need I'm sorry said we're afraid if your table's going to be in your house the said it comes out. You're going to be you're going to get pulled into your house. You're not going to and and over there it says because the table is inside. Why the say don't do it but if you do do it you'll be mim seemingly if you didn't get the case it's okay but you see over there by the said don't do don't eat in a suk that the table's in your house and if you do do it they actually were that you're not mitzvah another example that's avous another examples are in if somebody says after after the said don't read after because you're going to come to be you're going to come to um uh you're going to miss you're going to miss at night what happens if somebody didn't say should you read afterwards maybe of saying after says no why because there is no more mitzvah even though the says yes to say So you see they will one more question he asks is that you see we don't blow on Shabas obviously and the truth is already asked already I mean it's later but Shabas asked the question and he doesn't have an answer why don't we blow there is no the gimmel there is no everything's a caramel there's no so what's the worst thing that'll happen you'll go to with you'll go through a caramelist not a so you should be allowed to do it >> you should be allowed because the whole is not applicable not was because here here alter says he doesn't understand this third kasha even if you learn that they were completely o the whole mitzvah I'm I I missed the point I'm sorry so if you say that they were the mitzvah completely so okay now there's no they mitzvah but if they only said don't do the mitzvah so if that's what so now now that these There are no we should do it. So really this you have to understand that's asks even if you learn they were the completely but they were only either way yard site was this Sunday his 90th yard site was the gimmel 19 33 Just to conclude with one more last point and with this I end that he stole as a mitzvah explains the says the says that it's around we don't blow forash today is the last day of to blowifer tomorrow Friday we don't blow the why one of the reasons to make a break so what happens a year like this year that we're not going to blow on shabas so maybe we could we have a halfick we have a has a answer he says that it's still like we blow because it's It's that's its own discussion and says but says you do not blow explains you don't blow because if you would blow the mitzvah the mitzvah is still here so that's why you don't blow just interesting to note that what we mentioned before yleser that held and even really wanted to implement a blow on Shabas and he actually did blow he himself actually has a chuva to say that a year like this year when it's shabas you do blow of rash but which is interesting because not only he goes with that you like even more than is just it's but if you blow you actually hold maybe the places where you don't blow up just to be it's to blow We spoke about even where it's where said you could blow and then we said even when it's a sh and says that if someone was over and he should be yet this year with the mdash so we'll be able to be migdash and also we'll have a bez in yet this Russ >> there's a guillian that goes out every week right here >> they put out >> they put out from him they bring this rings