HONORING AN OLDER BROTHER (& SISTER) - OR JUST THE OLDEST - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

says, "We spent a lot of weeks. But [Music] to be your father is if a person's father remarries. So it's not your mother anymore. It's your stepmother. Still a father's wife. a mother's husband that's in the mitzvah of Yeah. Like the Gomorrah says clearly the gar that it's the then the garra is and the garra says he's an additional the additional v is to be mar it's interesting Why the V is extra the S. It could have said so didn't have to say but but had to say regardless of the Gar says that he's to be older brother. The first Shila is is the older brother or the Gomorrah spells out clearly when it comes to stepmother stepfather that it's what's about a person has an older brother says your older brother is it of The ram is not the same. >> What say the same? >> So you want to know why is it that as a stepfather to mother that's the garra says it's so should be the same thing. Very good. We'll see. We'll go through step by step why it should be a different why it should be different. You're saying it should be the same thing. So let's first take a look in the why it should be different. Very good. Speak about it. The Rambam in Hus in Hus. The Rambam says first the Rambam brings the of being a stepfather and a stepmother and then the Rambam is and the Rambam says which which means a person is older brother. Now right away the no on the Rambam explain the cast the the Mishna that the Rambam has all over it's famous in Kadian that the Rama calls Kenyan even though it's a dash the in beginning of Kadian the Rambam calls something that's not in the Torah but it's really to be older brothers this that calls him because it's not it's just with a s of and what's about a stepfather and a stepmother over there didn't call it only the second of the starts as a stepfather stepmother stepmother stepfather our older brother means so what's the also so why doesn't the whole should say that stepfather and a step and they say that s is like it says mafurish evolve is not all the is bothered and he says they're both the something that's not the is called is anytime it's a so what's the if it's a whole word or if it's just the ice and mainly he says like this he says that there's a between the mitzvah of a stepfather and a stepmother which that's going to be why should be and of older brother a stepfather and a stepmother is in the when somebody's a stepmother what's the what's the is father like the gummor says we're going to get to it soon but the gmorra says he's you only have your father's wife. That's part of being your father. So, the father's wife that the Gmorrah says that we're going to get to it, but he says that older brother even after the father's ner it's a new den. It's a new it's not the If it's a new it's not the new is not it's a stepfather and a stepmother in the is the part of the but the mitzvah is in the that's why the doesn't call the brothers a separate mitzvah calls him similar to oh we'll see we'll see similar 100% right we'll get to it even says yeah yeah but we're going to we're going to go into more between that's why the raom doesn't say older brothership So what do we have so far? Very clear in one line. The mitzvah of being is the rabbs to call him from because it's a older brother has an about it and in one sad says says it could be that when the Rambam says it's the Gomorrah the Gomorrah is talking about a stepfather and a stepmother over there the Gomorrah says it's the mash when the Gomorrah says these the vom that these that hold that you don't dash and evolve so I the gammor says is it's not it's only. So we have over here could be it's the let's move along a little more in this the safer in the beginning before he goes through the minion mitzvah the ra has the ra explains how did I get to the 613 mitzvah these different have other ways how to get to the 613 mitzvah would call him how he gets to the 613 mitzvah in Bamb I only count the mitzvah only mitzvah that it's foolish in the something that's with a draw is not counted not counted that's why I don't count because it's a but it's not for the mitzvah itself in the shish asks but the mitzvah that do counter from the mitzvah why don't they also count in the mitzvah They should also count they ask also you should count also a step as stepfather stepmother but why don't they count meaning to say is that even the raam agrees that but says I don't count one of the mitzvah because it's not it's not mafurish it's a but the ones that count even a draw many. So the Ramban the Ramban comes to answer this the sh of the ra the mitzvah I think the counts why doesn't he why don't they count the first two are both that it's the first he says that sai a stepfather and a stepmother and sab older brother is only we're going to get to it if it's or not but and he says so they didn't have it's not another it's included it's a mitzvah it's a mitzvah so is but we're still holding that older brother is older brother the second he says just like nobody counts aim for two mitzvah theory says is that two mitzvah it's only one mitzvah that's not a let's say the Torah would It's not another mitzvah. It's all one big mitzvah. How many people have it's all included in the mitzvah? So far we have clearly that older brothers. It's a mitzvah. It's not a separate mitzvah. It's included in the mitzvah. It's part of it. In the third term says the following. You know why they don't count a Russia with av and we don't. So the third shot on the mitzvah is going to the says clearly that it's but the from uses the say it's And the first of the is the older brother even after the father was we we spoke about but now we'll does one's older brother if his father is not alive. The ram that we brought the raom is like by a stepfather and a stepmother. The Ra says that your only but then by the Ram speaks about over there is not what seemed clearly that the Rambam holds that a person but even the we just mentioned in one of the two roots in the says the reason why they don't count the don't count because it's included Keep it off. Why? Because there's no So we have over here if older brothers and we now have older brothers even the father was nifis that the is if it's the mitzvah as we saw before is a mitzvah of or it's a separate mitzvah we'll get to that soon also And could the father be could the father say tell the younger son that he's doesn't have to the older son if it's a it's if it's why would it be because the father wants that the younger brothers the older brothers The father wants that the younger brother the older brothers the older brother is it's that's if it's the father could be if it's not the father can't be >> that's a good is asking even if it's be even afterwards good shad even after a person's father was nif it's a good sh but one thing I do want to say is you see such a in the already because the gar says by a stepfather and a stepmother it's only and it's somebody else that's the father the father has to be around to be able to appreciate be a stepfather and a stepmother. Yeah. What's the gather? What's the gather of being older brother? Yeah. What's the gather the haste? We just came off saying that it's maybe not. What I mean what is the is your older brothers your older brother like like when Jacob ran away from Asov and then he sent and he said uh all this covered that Jacob gave to Asov as you understand he was afraid he did it to say all this why but also when he says that So if if the isl okay so it's ku it's part of the k however as we saw that is even it's not of what's the vert so you have to say the post explain this your brother like your father but it's not the same way this is very important says older brother like a father he says other even older brother like or father says regardless what older brother it's not what we just learn now the night long with father after doesn't say yeah >> oh it doesn't say it doesn't say it's very interesting in he says that The the the reason why it's not he says is that it's a gnai for the father. It's embarrassing if you're older brother like your father. It's a gnai. So what? So he says to be oh we don't know. doesn't say in the he says even the said it's he says what yeah it's not so clear it's not so clear not so clear what yeah it's not the same as but it's older brother okay now we're going to get into but two shy list that I feel a lot are waiting for this. So we said older brother it's even and we also saw that it's it's not exactly like even if it's a it's not a brother like a father >> who pays for it brother or the father >> you're saying if it's so it should be the same then good then I didn't see they should speak about Who pays for it? Good to Santa Shila. Is it only the oldest brother? Is it only the oldest brother or is it all the brothers above you? >> Sister. >> We'll get to that in a minute. Also, a sister. Very good. We'll get to that also. Is it only the oldest brother? The mitzvah means the oldest brother and if he doesn't want you go down to the next brothers the next brothers. What's the is it? And we're seeing here. Is it only the oldest brother or it's all the brothers above you? That's a mus the brings from the they quote that it's only the oldest brother only the oldest brother the I'm not sure if thehat is it needs to be the or means he's the oldest brother what's if there's a girl on top we we'll get to we'll get to the sister in a minute. But we're talking now brothers the oldest. Does it have to be the back? The oldest says that no holds that is for all the older brothers. He he brings the he says already that it's not like that older brothers brings from a medish rashi quotes this mish when gave the brothers the his children the rash he brings the so the sh is how do we know it was them? So goes Rashi goes through the different brothers and Rashi says maybe it was no cuz they wouldn't have said anything their older brother but you see that and didn't mix in to and when they had older brothers because even though they weren't the oldest Ruven was the oldest older brothers Not only the oldest brother, all the brothers above you. So we have all your older brothers are just the oldest brother >> and that right over there is the oldest from the mother and the brothers of >> we'll get to that saying that wasn't from the father and the mother. We'll get to that in a minute. And the mention doesn't say why we found that doesn't have you have a good point and we'll even see we'll get to mish that point what you're saying the concept of however however it doesn't mean if there's no if not for the wouldn't have an opinion to say about it was that they didn't get involved because of there is a concept there's a concept we're going to get to in a minute the sister older sibling that that's regardless but then your older brother if it wouldn't be that it's referring to all your older brothers they would have would have got involved in the what's about older sister older sister we see it's a only the oldest brother or maybe it's all the brothers what about a sister it's a the brings on the page the brings also from that know that no that know however it doesn't mean that you're not you have to be respectful to them. The Mishna says the Mishna a person in so what we said before about the but after they talk you could speak even if there's no older system but a to be respectful that's a missionary novice But it's not included. >> What' you say? The younger talk. >> I I I would I why not? It's interesting. I'm sure you're asking if you ask your older brother. If a younger child has older brother when the older brother is a cotton what would make I mean he himself has so if the older brother is a cotton why why why would you say not cuz he's not a bar he's not a bar interesting interesting shila interesting shil interesting shil he's saying he's a cotton it's not a bar cover you're saying it's not he himself is not mitz So what's about a sister? So we see over here some say no says from that older sister yes older sister yeah it's included and as well also says older sister and he brings a from the medish on the vata zish was nanash that she answered before Leia. She was nash. Why was she nash? Because she answered before her older sister. So you see your older sister that it's only one sister to another sister. He says it's a brother to her sister as well. also and they say it could be her older sister but because she went before it was a she was that's why she was soap over here we have a mus about all older brothers we also have a mus is about older sister just to be before we conclude just to be mak if the older brother if even the father the a person is older brother we saw that the k is even if that's included in but it's a a different type of it's not the exact type of as a father it's a little bit of a lower level if it's only the oldest brother or all brothers above you of older sister and just to be Messiah we spoke tonight about the the din the den of being an older Father just to conclude with a lotion of the vash theash goes on I'm going to take out mish one or two lines to speak how important older brother and that were not careful of that and that's that we're not we're not also cotton what exactly which what's called the cover and because there's no of older brother came like the Torah says we should day.