HILCHOS BROCHOIS: SIMANIM ON LEIL ROSH HASHONO - ANY PARTICULAR ORDER? - Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

A neighbor of mine an old neighbor of mine, a rebbe in YSV, told me that he teaches his class, the seventh grade, one halacha of hilchos brachos. What we're learning over here hilchos kedima v'brachos. Why? A lot of us have been a sign that it becomes so routine of making the bracha, it's hard to stop to think. A bracha, like the Rambam says, is to bring to your Aish Shamayim. It becomes so natural when you eat, of course you make a bracha, but you don't stop and think. When you learn kedima v'brachos, you have to stop for a minute and think, wait a second, it's taka fruit, which fruit should I make a eitz on? Kedima v'brachos makes a person to stop and think the bracha that he needs to make. What is he making the bracha on? And mainly ask kavana. We're in the days of Elul hachana for Rosh Hashanah. The essence of Rosh Hashanah is to be mamlich to Ribono shel Olam. Every time we make a bracha, every time we make a bracha, we're being mamlich to Ribono shel Olam, Melech ha'Olam. Like the Gemara says that every bracha that does not have b'shem u'malchus to be mamlich to Ribono shel Olam is ain bracha. So b'etzem b'klal to be m'uyan to enhance to have more kavana in the brachos, that's for sure the avoda. And like I just mentioned, the Rambam says that brachos bring to your Aish Shamayim, that's for sure the avoda. But I would like to focus tonight's sheer in particular for Layl Rosh Hashanah. Taka when we're being mamlich to Rabbeinu Shel Layl Rosh Hashanah. And we're going to be making brachos for the simanei Layl Layl Rosh Hashanah the the simanei milta the simanei tova. The Gemara says So, it's interesting these simanim that's a minig hash from Shas from the Gemara. And then the Shulchan Aruch has more adds on more hagah the Ramah yesh noye again. The Gemara lists out five. So, the Gemara increases amar Abaye hashta de amrei simanei milta ye simanei milta ye ye ragel inash l'mechal a person should eat reish shata Rosh Hashanah. So, the Gemara lists out five. K'ra is pumpkin. Rubia, black black-eyed pea or some or it could be carrots. Karati is leek, silka spinach or beets and tamri dates. The Rishonim add on the Tur and the Mordechai add on the apple. The Gemara doesn't bring about dipping the apple in the honey. It's brought in the Rishonim. Rimon to have a rimon on Layl Rosh Hashanah is also in the Rishonim not in the Gemara. Rosh keves sh'neel the rosh v'layl Layl Hashanah of bassar shamen dogim try a lot of different simanei milta l'sim l'siman tov. So ba'etzem, if you go through the simanim, what brachos do we have? In the Gemara, these five simanim, five things to eat l'simanim milsech. The first four is ha'adama. The fifth one, tamarim, dates is ha'eitz. And then in the Shulchan Aruch, he's a bit more also ha'eitz, the apples ha'eitz, the rimon is ha'eitz. And then afterwards, there's some simanim that's shehakol. So let's try to see if you have a eitz, ha'adama, and shehakol. That's the seder, eitz, adama, and shehakol. Remisa, the pashtus is that you eat the simanim after you wash. That's the pashtus I'm meaning. So the maila shehakol, you're not going to make because the fish, the meat, the rosh keves, the rosh dag, the dag, the fish, the meat, all of that is bo in masuda. And the maila, you don't make a shehakol. So we're left, if you if you're going to eat it after kiddush before the hamotzi, you'll make a shehakol as well. And the seder is ha'eitz, ha'adama, and shehakol. But shehakol is not really negaya because we're eating it all after the washing. What do we have? What are we left with? The eitz. You make the eitz first, and then ha'adama. On the note of bo in masuda, just on a side note, it's not so clear and so pashtus on what you should make ha'adama. In the Kriyas Kodesh, he come out knocks out almost all of what we use and he says he can't make a domer cuz it's all by my suda. In Divrei Yaatziv he says everything you could make a domer cuz it is considered by my suda. Have shalom as alma lemaisa says to make the adoma on kora. Kora. So just the gabe the adoma itself it has to be something that's by my suda. There are those that want to question even what? It has to be not by my suda to make adoma. Shkoyach, correct. Thank you. As long as it's not by my suda. For an example, even the Divrei Yaatziv that says that you could make adoma cuz it's all not by my suda, the pashut this is if you use carrots for ruvia, that's the pashut this is by my suda. I mean, even if you don't have it by the main, a lot of people have carrots. And the main one is by my suda. Al kabana, that's not really the discussion, but just on the note of we're working with the seder of brachos, ha eitz and adoma, the adoma is so to speak a little bit questionable if you make adoma. There's no din to make adoma leil Rosh Hashanah, but if you're eating something that's not by my suda, you make adoma. Agav, on this note, the ha eitz, someone to question if you you eat the apple, maybe that's also considered by my suda cuz that's the tzur of the suda of leil Rosh Hashanah. But lemaisa the poskim say that that's not really called by my suda. The normal is you don't have it at the chanamah, you have it leil Rosh Hashanah, that's not called by my suda. >> They're also not by my suda. >> What did you say? >> All of the maror are not by my suda. >> Are considered not by my suda. If if it is by my suda, yeah yeah yeah yeah. The the chidush when they want to say that even an apple is called by my suda, so then in chanamah for sure then everything else also you don't make a bracha in chanamah. Lemayse, you make a eights, that's clear. And then you make a adama. Just one more nekuda in the seder. It's very interesting. The Gemara says the first four are the vegetables. Tamri is the last. Which is very interesting. We'll get back to it soon. Tamri is the eights. So, how do you eat first the vegetables and then the eights? We'll get to it. This that the seder is to have let's call it the tamri, the date, first and then the adama. Whatever you're going to make the adama on, but first the eights then the adama. Says Rav Zalman. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Lemayse, hold on a second. Zocher Rav Zalman. Zalman speaks that in Ravada. We're learning now. We started the siman reshid aleph sif aleph the Shulchan Aruch. The Yeshayim says that if it's chavid, then adama, something you like better, a vegetable over a fruit, you make the adama first. Even, says the Shulchan Aruch, even the makam shivas aminin. So, the mail if you like better any of the simanim that is adama, you'll make that first before the eights. Clear? The Chofetz Chaim says alacha, we pasken like the Yeshayim. Now, I don't think that's a issue with the Gemara because the Gemara says that the tamri is later. That it's really the etzem eights comes first. If it's chavid to you the other vegetables, then you'll make the adama first. But the etzem, I don't think that's a issue of how the Gemara says they eat the tamri later. What's talking the shots? That if a person likes a vegetable over a fruit, then he makes the brocha on the vegetable that Adam before the eights even the market Shiva Samina. However, in the fruit of if a person has two fruits in front of them. Yes, Shiva Samina and not Shiva Samina. Even if the not Shiva Samina is Chavez he still makes the eights on the Chavez on the on the Shiva Samina. These are then Kadima and you don't go with Chavez. What's the hillock? So I've kind of connect these mazel when he says like this. He's mazel over here in the Leo Samani Leo Rashashana but it's the gay yet to understand the husband. What's the hillock Kadima that when it comes to making Adam? Before I eights Chavez overrides even Shiva Samina but within the eights itself there you don't say that Chavez overrides if you like an apple over the Shiva Samina, you still make a eights first. Says I'm kind of connect these at all. He says like this. A brocha is higher door. I got the brocha shame to tell you door. These two higher doors for you to make. The brocha of the eights. And boy you have three Adam. Two higher doors to make. If a person it's more Chavez to [clears throat] him the boy you have three Adam when he's going to eat the vegetable. Then maybe it's a bigger higher door. And therefore he should say that Adam before the eights even the market Shiva Samina. Masha and came in the eights itself. The higher door is that same higher door. He's saying brocha to Adam boy you have three eights. It's true that you like this fruit over another fruit over the shivat haminim, but l'maaseh you're saying the same high da. It's true that the high da is on this fruit on that fruit, but the high da is the same high da. L'maaseh there's a din kedima of shivat haminim. When it comes to a vegetable over a fruit, it's a different bracha, completely different bracha. So l'maaseh chaviv overrides the kedima, the chashivus of shivat haminim. It's two different brachas. L'maaseh give a high da a bigger high da by saying ha'adama overrides. Al k'panim, we have in dinei kedimus not Rosh Hashanah and even Rosh Hashanah, ha'eitz comes before ha'adama. B'etzem once you made the borei pri ha'eitz, then you could go b'etzem to all the vegetables and make ha'adama. The kedima that we're learning now in the night seder is all kedima in brachas. Once you made ha'eitz l'mashal on the dates, you don't b'etzem have to go now to remind and to the dip the apple in the honey, those are eitzes. You already made ha'eitz and now you can go to ha'adama. Kedima is only in brachas. And even what we said in a previous year, a chiddush from Rav Elyashiv that the kedima's not only in brachas, it's also in eating. Means let's say you're not making any brachas. You have ha'eitz and ha'adama. You're not making any brachas, still you should eat first the ha'eitz then ha'adama, but that's only the first of the eitz, not all of them. So, b'etzem the of the once you made the eights after the eights goes Adam, you don't have to line up all the eightses. However, Kanievsky was no need to have all the eightses. That's what they bring could be it's partial, that's the middle island, and then afterwards go to the Adam, but the eights and save the Kadima's and save the Kadima's of broches, you don't have to eat the the dates, the remain, and the apple and then go to the rubia and the curry. You could do one of eights cuz these Kadima first the eights then Adam. >> What's the sort of say that you need to have the remain all the foods? >> So, the mice is like this, there's no [clears throat] one one the way out Kanievsky was no need and we'll get to it soon. We'll get to it shortly that it seems that there's a seder in the simanim layl Rosh Hashanah even not Medina broches, but for now we're learning Kadima broches, so focusing on Kadima broches. So, that was a different husband, but not I'm bringing it in just to point out that that seder has nothing to do with Kadima with broches. Could be Medina layl the simanim layl Rosh Hashanah, that's where it comes from in the middle. So, let's focus for a minute on the eights. The boy eights, eights goes first. What do you make to her eights on? Between the Gamara and the Rishonim, we have three fruits to make her eights. We have dates, we have the remain, the pomegranate, and we have the apple. So, which do you make the eights on? So, the not the apple because the dates and the remain, tamarin and the remain, the shiva saminam. Between the two, which is Kadima? What's closer to Eretz in the pasuk of shiva saminim? Tomer is closer. So then maila if you want to know when when you start Rosh Hashanah by night after you made hamotzi and you ate a shiya, you ate the challah, now you're ready to start. What do you make a um a eitz on? You make a eitz on the tomer. Oh oh oh very good avada. That's that's the takah. This is that's impossible for this. I don't have to get up to speak. I'm saying it's possible like that. Avada the Chofetz Chaim actually says about the apple you make eitz up. Lema'aseh this What did you say? Zalman says it's clear you make it on the date. He brings that Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld was noheg. You make it on the date. It's the kaidem brachos. However however al pi kabbalah you're supposed to start with the apple. Al pi kabbalah you're supposed to start with the apple that Arizal, the Kaf Hachaim has a re'ach about it. It goes in Adam Eitz Hasadeh to use the apple. So ba'etzem the halacha is you have to start with the shiva saminim. How do you start with the apple? Someone to be meyashev chaviv. Lema'aseh the halacha is we learned in Shulchan Aruch that chaviv is only when it's always chaviv. It's just tonight leil Rosh Hashanah it's chaviv. You want to make on the apple. That's not called chaviv. Chaviv is always chaviv. So maila that wouldn't help because it's chaviv. It's takah so that's a different story then then it's a if you go with it. It's more because of the reason to go first with the apple. It's but The mice are The very good that's that's like the says the other skins say like that but you bring in the you make you bring in the later. Now when you make a on the apple the says and you make a on the apple you can make a on the apple you have the dates and the remind not on the table in the kitchen but you have to have a mind that when you make an on the apple you have that in mind as well also. And the that that helps out with the say that the place can say that's what you should do. After they the says like that he says a lot of people many do that if you want to make a on the apple. The says I have a right that this is what you're supposed to do from the Gamora. The Gamora says there are five for Rosh Hashanah. Four vegetables and then and then the then the fruit. How do you eat the fruit last if it's a eight that's a that is a seder. This is a seder there's a reason how as we're going to see in a moment this is a seder. This is a seder to follow. For some reason the seder is that the fruit the date should be at the end but how do you make a after the is that you bring in the date later. >> It's a little seder. You have to bring them later. If the person has two things to bring them >> Listen one right away. Eating it and then supposed to eat it right now. >> No, but we mean if you want you have two foods and you >> want the vegetable before the fruit. There's no difference. In the same order as you want one later one now. >> You say really the say the the say the should be my highest. >> It's like it's like a meal. This is first first second first third first. >> So the right is the say that that's what you want to say the should be. On the note of say there the etzem like I began it's very interesting the Gemara lists out the simanim one way to Shulchan Aruch when the Shulchan Aruch wrote all the lechem b'resh shana rubia karati silka tamri kara it's a whole different say there. The Beis Yosef asked the question why but it's the Shulchan Aruch is the Beis Yosef but the Tur already brings these that's mentioned in the Gemara and the say there's changed. Beis Yosef asked the question. So the Divrei Yaatziv answers and the two he has two answers and he says but this is not what we're talking about the say the kedimun brachus. Adama there's no kedima you make a bracha. But he says the reason why the Shulchan Aruch changed the say there is because the first one that's mentioned in the Gemara b'zman haTur was something that was boi masuda and it's a shaila if you make adama or not. So the main the Shulchan Aruch changed that's what he says. In other words like this the anchor focus tonight what we're speaking about is the say them it's out kedima of the brachus. Aitz adama what do you make the aitz on the shiva simanim if you want to make the eights on the apples and make sure to bring the shiva saminim later, then you make a domo. What to make the domo on etzem there is no kadima you can make the domo on mitzvat kadima with broches. If it's not a shali you can make a brocho on anything. Lemaisa it is a shtikel a shaila which of the vegetables of the simonim you could make a domo. So that's why the tour switches around from the shulchan aruch. So at kahn the brocho of a eights and a domo in the seder. As we mentioned before there is no shachol. Because the fish and the other rosh the rosh kaves that's boy masuda you don't make a shachol. The etzem there is really a shachol to make. The honey. Why do they make a shachol on the honey? Ah, sit them on the ram says zak the ram on the ram ram. And the etzem these even a meduber that some make a shaila out of it and therefore not to eat the apple with honey. But zak the ram on the ram the ram on the ram says you don't make a shachol on the honey because it's a toful to the apple. The mail when you make a eights or if you made eights before the apple the mail it's a toful to the apple so there's no there's no shachol a eights and a domo. What you say? The the water to eat is the honey. Yes, the honey is the eker. He brings the right the ram on the ram rather from the challah. But here I want even the kids that eat a ton of honey. But the challah there would also be here the challah the mais it's considered the the lafas as a pass. The ram on the ram brings just like the mais the shachol explained to them from brings Kamali pass just like the laugh pass for sure but also to on the apple also. So, we spoke right say that if you go like this and then talk then if you eat just the honey good very good talk then maybe the shackle. So, so that's at kind of water to say there aids a double and talk if you eat the honey separate. Shackle. I just want to conclude with the cover Heim. We mentioned before these the say there are blockers. And then these the say there of the Gamora the tour has a different say there than the Gamora. The cover Heim has got a different say there and he explains he explains the say there for each of the say more he says like this. Silka which we say she is stuck with say no. So, for the we bring my spiral to the attraction she is stuck with that the macaque rig should go away. Means go away not here should go elsewhere. Car to you car to say no means to go away and to not come back. However, even if it doesn't go it goes away and it doesn't come back it still exists the macaque rig. So, may my spiral you tell you tell me means that it should it should dissolve it shouldn't exist but how even in a different place. Why does say the cover Heim then is crow you [snorts] car to say no crow is out of the no. Even though we just said before three things it went away. It went away and it's not coming back and it's not here but how but a new macaque rig it come so crow is out of the no it should be no macaque. Right there. Then you then you go um year year was the who you say no. A vada Rosh Hashanah want to have a lot of mitzvahs. Then he says mitzvah go various mitzvah. And the mail we should have so many mitzvahs she year was the who you say no Karima. And then finally which is talking very interesting say there finally the apple and the honey which we say if we're going to how he brings out he says there's no makatrick and we're doing mitzvahs. Mitzvahs like a rima there's so many mitzvahs the mail of a vada will be so he says that's the um dip the the apple and the honey shana tova mesuka. Shishaka be so he taksiva shana tova shana tova mesuka.