Hachana L'Shabbos Shiur - Lighting Candles before Plag with Rabbi Simcha Bunim Berger

Okay, good evening. Another week of kadusha shabas shabas and how to be mabul and observe the shabas of tahara. Tonight's child is as follows. A woman whose makid to light candles early unfortunately lit candles too early before when she lit the candles her intent was of course to light chabas candles made a accepted upon herself kadusha shabas but it's before the plague does herluka count does she have to now have someone extinguish the candles cuz she can't cuz she was mabo shabas or actually maybe because her kabala shabas was so early the kabala shabas doesn't count the was a of unfortunately and she herself could and so and should extinguish the candles and when plag after plag comes then she should light it again and write at the proper time. This is the subject for tonight's can shabas be before can you be shabas on Friday afternoon before the plague. Now before we begin let's just talk practical for a second. What when is plag plague is usually an hour and a quarter before the shia. So let's talk for example this week here in New York I believe is 410 because the is 4:28 in the sh that means that that plag is at 3:30 in the afternoon from 3:30 and on it's potentially sh you could after plag you can dy and after you could da before plag 3:15. You can have a my at 3:30 and you can then have candles lit after 3:30. Why is it 3:30? So, let's explain. On Arab Shabas on Friday, sunrise is approximately 7:00. I'm rounding it off. Sunset, we'll say approximately is 4:30. How many hours of sunshine is there on Friday? If from 7:00 till 4:30 that should be >> 9 and 12 >> 9 and 1/2 9 and a half is how many minutes? 9 and 1/2 hours. Well 9 * 60 540 plus another 30 minutes is 570. Anybody got a calculator? 570 divided by 12. 570 divided by 12 is how many minutes? About 47 or 48, right? >> 47 minutes per hour. >> 47 minutes perman That's correct. That's right. Those are the hours on a equ on a day where the sun r comes up at 7 and sets at 7 where it's 12 hours then you obviously have a 12hour shmanas that's happens twice a year in the in the fall and in the spring in the summer the days get longer and the shmanas grow to bigger than an hour in the winter they shrink and so in this era of shabas baz hashem a shman is 47 minutes. This is the way you calculate dabing in the morning. What's mishma etc. That's not for now. What's noaa for us is so and when when we say that which is an hour and a4 well an hour and a quarter if the whole minus is 47 minutes a quarter of that would be about another 12 minutes right plus minus. So therefore that's what we come up with 59 minutes for your hour and a quarter. So when the is 428 your is of which is 59 minutes at 3:30 that's your plaque. Our story is that a woman lights candles before 3:30. She lit before 3:30. Did it work? Did it not work? Can you say, "Well, okay. When after 3:30, you know what? Now it's already lit. So already I've lo or no, by lighting it too early, it doesn't count. And if you made a and your shabas is not accepted or no, since she was mabo shabas and it was already at least Friday afternoon, it was Arab shabas. Maybe it does work. Let's see what the halaka says about this and let's see what the proper what you should do in case a woman does make such a mistake. We begin with page one on top. We have I think eight different things to discuss today to to to um look into letter. A person shouldn't light candles shouldn't light the shabas candles too early. it's not then clear or indicative that it's a chabas and not too close this the source is the inabim she used to light very close because she wanted to light almost by shabas her husband said it's too late so she started being said so If you do want to make it early, you're allowed to. If you shabas, it's okay. Here's the line on condition. It has to be after the an hour of and a quarter before the night time. So when you do it, you want to be early, which is tak early. It's it's but it's after plag. That's why sometimes in your schs in the summertime when you're making early shabas the it'll say on the memo on the sh memo do not light candles before this and this time when it's the summertime and the sh is at sometimes 8:20 or 8:30 in the evening and you want to dive in in the 6:00 minion and there's ma the singles the sign will say or the the note will say that do not light candles before this time. Why? because you're lighting before pl says if the candle was lit while the day was still big extinguish it since you did it early in it is too early then go ahead and extinguish it and light it again. It doesn't say if you should make a bra in the Ram number one and it doesn't say who should extinguish it. >> Here is at the bottom of the page. It was literally do you see where that is? Great. And I'm going to let you know going as we get into this there's a major is between the which is the and the who argue about explanation of this. Let's see first and let's see what they say about him. What does say when the Ramos says you have to extinguish the candles? It's because the candles were lit. Not the lit candles in the house. I guess the house was dark and he turned on the lights. So he turned back then he lit some candles. Why? There should be light in the room but not Since this was not therefore you have to now extinguish it and therefore you have in other words is explaining it's not just about having candles lit it's about having them lit shabas and this wasn't done explains however ever. If it was lit. If it was lit, you don't have to go ahead and it just was early. You don't have to extinguish it. You shouldn't go ahead and do it so early. Now, so Rabbi Kger is explaining that when the Ramos said that candles were that were lit needs to be extinguished, that's because they weren't lit for the purpose of Shabas. But if they were lit for Shabas, then you don't have to extinguish. The question is when did you light these candles? After plag or before plague? This is and the turn. Please turn your page and go. We're going to skip for a moment the we're going to go straight to the mat. So, you need to flip a page actually and see the mat. It says number three on the top. Let's learn a little bit of the mat on top. A matra on top letter B. In certain places there's a meaning to light candles on yum kipper on the same way you do on chabas. There's a question if you should go ahead and light candles on yum kipper the way you do on shabas in the bedroom one of the isurim of yum kipper is the five also from so maybe you should light a candle then be in the room this way it's like a that's the subject over here and then he writes the following then he says You shouldn't light before you shouldn't go ahead and light it too early says the at the bottom says if you light it too Even though she said that she was lighting it for that reason, many of them are say many of them say she has to extinguish it. However, says She doesn't have to. If you want to do it right, let it be extinguished, but not by her. She already lit candles. Shabbat just the and when you light it again. She doesn't extinguish. She doesn't light. Why? Cuz she's not allowed to. Why? Cuz she lit it for the reason for ah but she lit it before 3:30. Doesn't matter. But she had intent to be mabo shabas and the minig of kab shabas is nas certainly for a woman. So even though she lit early and it was too early but it doesn't mean that the kabola shabas didn't take hold. So why are we extinguishing it? because it's not that even though she was but it wasn't as it said in the it wasn't that means that when anger said according to the mim that when you lit it you have to extinguish it again he was talking about before the plaque right but if you lit it after the plaque already even if you did it shabas according to him there's no reason to go ahead and exting extinguish it, you at least lit it in the right time. But if you lit it beforehand, then you extinguish. But that's also cuz you weren't Shabas. But if she was in Mab Shabas, it works. That's what the MR says. But now I'm going to show you a slew of that disagree with this. Go back to page two. Back now, let's go to the the um Mishna. It says there at the bottom first the is going on what it says in the that if she lit too early you're supposed to extinguish it he learns that after that means that after 3:30 somebody lit candles but not for shabas even though she was not at which means Sometimes women will light candles but they're not accepting chabas upon themselves. She's lighting it for shabas but didn't accept chabas which means that the way the mish is explained is even though the minus is to be shabas through she doesn't have to be through she could like without being is considered good even though normally you shouldn't go so early even though it's after but it's still early. If she did it it's good. That means that he's learning he's about to say that when we're talking about this that it works after says. Now he says like this I'm going to jump straight ahead. You see where I am? Two lines on the bottom. But if a woman lit candles shabas with before 3:30 before the plague the it's too early and it was nothing and you have to extinguish it. We have Rabbi a huge mus between the matim and the in understanding had said let's go through the the the steps again one before the had said that when you light early you have to extinguish it says why because you lit it he's talking about a case when you lit it lit Shabas, you just lit it. Which means understood that the Ram would never say you have to extinguish it if you did it. It's because you didn't do Shabas. When is he talking about? According to the He's talking about when a person did it after the plague. When he did it after the plague and he did it, that's when he said you should extinguish it. But if you did, you shouldn't extinguish it. But before the plague, it's nothing. You're unfortunate young lady was a you weren't shabas and you yourself can extinguish it according to the you yourself can extinguish it. You don't have to ask somebody else to do it because you can't be shabas before period. That's the way that is the way the inn explains the mim we saw moments earlier disagreed. He said if you go back to page number three over here that next page he said someone who wasn't yet Why? Because her early as it was is a she cannot go ahead and do any. So we have a major. Let's see how weighed in. Let's go. Excuse me. Turn the next page. We're we're learning. You should light it in a way that it's clear for. You shouldn't do it too early. It's not indicated that it's a chabas. If you want to do it early, you can from till how early. You have to go ahead and extinguish it. Make so not like the like the right. If you look at the bottom, it says over here this part over here on this page where it says it's page seven page cannot be in middle of the day. It has to be why goes to the idea of Shabas is not just to be once it's already and then it becomes finished off the work and it's already the you can't make y hashi y hashi until the day is close to the end of yum hashishi. It has to be close to the end. But if it's still in middle of yum hashishi cuz the sun is still high up. It's before you can't dive invis. It's still in middle of yishi. Friday is Friday. It's not therefore that you can't go ahead and do it day early. It has to be only once it's the next day continues. What happens if you did it after but and you lit it but you weren't shabas at that time why let's say you have to go to a oritz you have to get into the car so you want to light your candles but you don't want to be shabas did you light candles for shabas yes you did as long Make sure if you're lighting early, you light tall candles. Back then they were lighting wax. Maybe people still do six-hour ones. Some people light oil. My rabbit is Makkah to light on oil. So, how long does it have to be lit for? till you come back home. You have to see the candles. And what happens if I'm home? I just want to light early. It has to be lit until the candle should not be extinguishing and you're still middle of your suda. The inas that should stay lit that whole time. Next page. This is from me. If a person had candles lit, even if you did it, this is like like the have to rewrite it again. Why now? I'm skipping ahead. If he lit the candles or she lit the candles after PL but did not make. So if you lit candles but you didn't make a and you didn't have intent to be yet extinguish it and light it again. Right. Right. Light it again. Right. you can go ahead and put it on early. There's no problem with that. So if you lit it once and then you're extinguishing it according to you don't make a already even though with the first time you did it you were not intended to make let's go ahead to the you should be very you should light did before the before. Here's how it looks like. >> No, I skipped that for now. Page seven. >> Page seven. To go ahead and light them while the sun is still shining by the by the tops of the trees or by the by the high when the sun is setting over there. And then bring a little bit of extra onto the after the sun is not by the trees anymore. In about four minutes later, it's You should really be doing it 20 minutes and in your 40 minutes before and you're ready lighting candles, right? And you're ready accepting Shabas, right? not to run around afterwards means that the are lighting 40 minutes and being then if she forgot one time to light candles for the rest of her life she adds another and doesn't matter how many times she forgot It's a she continues lighting. Every time she blows it, she lights another candle. She doesn't have to add says the I don't understand why do you have to go and extinguish? You tell them a person lights too early, right? Or if they light without cavan, you have to go and extinguish. I have a different why you have to extinguish. Just light another one. The cover chabas just light another one there. When it says in you have to extinguish because you didn't have another one to light. Look at the bottom of the page. Four lines in the bottom. Right. He doesn't have another candle. So you have to extinguish. You don't have to extinguish but what you could do is you could have another. So let's take stock of where we're holding right now. Let's summarize a woman can already light after plague and this shabas par in my New York. The plague is 3:30 after 3:30 ready a woman can light shabas. It's a kadash is galdic. Okay. What happens if she lit too early and she made a bra? What now? Does she extinguish or does he not extinguish each? Does she have does she not? We saw we saw in the majority of the opinions say she did nothing. She herself can extinguish it. The mat fraim said that's not true. Her cabala shabas was a kabala shabas although it was too early but she's already user. Yes, it should be extinguished but not her. Yes, it should be lit but not her. There's a story on page eight from Fisher the the it's in she lit candles an hour before this man that was explains in 26 which was before the plug they came to fisher I used to go to fisher I remember it was next to brisk that's why and they came to fisher the husband should light it Nobody makes a braha and she already made a braha in the but here in the bottom says if you go ahead and extinguish it if she would extinguish it then maybe it could even be afterwards if she extinguished her lights she was shabas for her it's not a for her she was mabo shabas but it wasn't nicker it wasn't nicker so for the household and the husband makes a new adla if you can right he said not to light a different candle interesting ly enough he said extinguish it and light it again not her means it was for the he said not her let the husband that's what should happen let's talk for a few minutes about the kadusha and let's see what the kadesh writes about take a look at the last point for today which is on page nine a person should be ready with Shabas all the difficult work they should do before now instead of the cooking already you should be more involved in limra and he brings a simmon from lasso is 31. For 31 hours a person should have shabas upon him. From the beginning of now is halfway. A day is 24 hours. Is six minus before 24 and six is >> 30. one hour after Shabas of Shabas is 31. So therefore, Right. 31 said Kale. Kale is 31. Even the have a break when it comes on. There should be no by that's what the says which is 31 hours a person should be says and he brings now what it says that When a person comes home in a person if they see it says the malik benches him and says this is the way it's supposed to be and the is continues the and it's brought down the name that when a person comes to his house and he comes in people. It's a minor mention. It leaves and then he says unfortunately and comes to the house and those two candles become right and the whole shabas loses its kadusha. The attitude that a person has on shabas is the real kadusha shabas to be not to be not to be nervous not to raise your voice not to get upset. The whole idea of Shabas is bias to have and to be to lift oneself up and on that says the that's why when a person finishes the week and is goes from the weekday into Shabas how shabas is decides if the week was a successful week or not a successful week because the week is the the is to the if the shabas is accepted with then and that's a guarantee the malik says so shall it be going and you bring and you continue that if a person's added itude is negative capus. How come the table's not set? How come this it happens ammo? How come this wasn't? And a person is the has nothing to do with that household on Shabas the says goodbye. I'm leaving. I don't want to stay here. And you know who takes up residence? The Yates. And those two candles remain not a it just becomes a place of so let's remember that the kadusha shabas is ti in us the attitude and the kadusha and the brahas of our life is ti in us when a person it gets into the mindset and gets to a place where both the man and the wife go into shabas with the attitude of going to make a peaceful shabas. We're going to make ruy. We're going to make indeed those two candles and that light in the house is the of and it brings tremendous into a person's home. Amazing. That's great.