FEEDING THE BIRDS ON SHABBOS SHIRA – ARGUMENTS FOR & AGAINST - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

This week parasal is also shabashira. Last year we spoke about the part that shabashira yasher these different men hug how the career when you sing the different the song the shirro the gh by clustrol on shabashira to put out bread kala crumbs for the for the birds. Shabashir put out there are three reasons for the mig brought in the pkim. One reason to remember when we went through the yam and we said shira while going through the yam the birds also said shira. So we want to remember the Shira for ourselves that we said Shira the matzah of the Shira the birds were also saying Shira to remember the gavald matzah of the shir that the birds also said shira that's one reason another reason why that's a reason why we give the birds when they they said shira so we want to remember the shir so we give we feed the birds another reason brought in the and he says to Remember a different nest. This week's para besides it being Shabashu and Kali went through the Yam. It's also par the para speaks about the mob told and of shabas to take fell and you should take a double portion. That's we have the Mishna take of Shabas a double portion of the man because Shabas no man is going to fall. So he told Claudius wanted to be that it's not true that it man falls on Shabas also. So what did they do? They went Friday night and they spread out man all over. So like this one claw wakes up in the morning Shabas morning they'll see man. So you see it's not like Mosha. The man fell on Shabas also. What happened? The nest happened. The birds came in the middle of the night and they ate up all the man that do spread out. So to remember that nest, we put out crumbs for the birds to thank them. We'll see soon different parts of it, but to remember that nest that the birds came and ate up the the so there was no a second reason why he put out crumbs for the birds. First reason is to remember the second reason for the month. A third reason and this is brought in the Alexander and he says based off a rash in this week's para says a beah thinks the only way he has food is because his boss gives him food. In other words, it's not he doesn't feel that he could survive just because he gets food. He understands he's a e to his rabbi to his boss and this behemoth that's how he gets food as opposed to a bird. A bird just flies around all over and he finds food. She finds food. A bird gets food without any belonging to somebody. This week's para rashi says to put away to put away the and rashi explains during the dus a person's gonna say I have to work I can't [clears throat] learn to because how am I going to be mparus myself I need to work to be able to have food so we have this in the shows look in the midbarish has ways how the food comes you don't have to be mish to work to get the food that's what that's what insan is that a person can learn and doesn't have to worry is going to take care. So that's another reason for the to put out bread for the birds for this concept to show that we have we should person should know that the not to different things. So you have three reasons for the Minnik to put out food, bread, crumbs for the for the birds on Shabas. The Shila is the mini is to put it out was to put out is to put it out on Shabas says one is not let feed an animal that doesn't belong to you. You're not to put food and the explains the why you feed an animal on Shabas an animal that's not yours because he's a it's a to feed an animal your own animal not only your but and these you're not allowed to eat till you feed your animals but an animal that's not your animal you're not allowed to feed on chabas it's a so the sha is hack Could we put out bread for the birds? You're not going to feed an animal that's not yours. The birds are not yours. If a person has birds and he feeds those birds, okay? But if you put it out the window and you're feeding birds that don't belong to you, it should it should not be allowed. It should be these are the brings the mid and he says not to do it. The y says I wouldn't stop right here. Especially many of you, your kids are going to come home with projects to put out taka to feed the birds before being mash. these many different tutumim a lot if not most if not all put it out of shabas. So if you put it out of Shabas obviously you avoided the problem because the whole issue is to put it on Shabas he's a you put it out of Shabas but on Shabas the violet could be problematic because he's a and it's so these many yes to put it out on Shabas one says the says the is only when you're being for the birds for them for the animals In other words, you take food and you prepare food and you put it out for the animals, that's a and that's what's but if you're doing it for yourself, if you do it for yourself, which we'll see right here, the examples, that's says why we doing it for ourself. We're doing it for ourselves to remember that the birds said Shira and for to the birds that said Shira to remember the mime of the Shira. We're doing it for ourself. So even though it's I don't think he's saying that it's not it's whatever there is to put it out if these but the is not to feed the birds but rather the is for ourself the we're not being for the birds. We're being oursel. So we have a and besides to the birds we also want to remember the of that we said so mainly even though it's it's because it's a for ourself the same concept we mentioned before the lim why we have it he says is to remember that all the everything's from the we shouldn't get too carried away so that's also a limit he says the same concept like the that even It's but it's not for the birds but it's rather for oneself. These are limit for ourself was nicely before and it's interesting. One could wonder how far this gets stretched that if the is not for the animals it's for yourself. It's mut if a person has an enjoyment to feed the birds to feed the animals. So it's a but you're doing it for your own self. You want to feed the animals cuz you want to feed the birds. You want to see the different types of birds is that so when is it also only if you're feeding item feeding it. So good to how how do you stretch this when it's but says the reason to be m to be mic says is because it's a for for oneself the say a different ter and he says that it's not called why because the is is that when You do it to feed them. Here you're getting rid of it. So m if you put it in the garbage m you put it you know out the window for them. There is no you anyways have to dispose what's laying on the table. So instead of putting it you're cleaning up to put in the garbage or put in the fridge you put it outside the window to the birds. That's not called first is but it's this terret is that it's not anyways doing it. So instead of putting in the garbage, putting in the fridge, you put it out the window. It's not a third terret. >> What' you say? >> Oh, what you very good what you're bringing about. We'll get to it. That's the part two in this year that we'll see. Could be. It's even a sh feed food that's for you when you're feeding the birds. We'll get to that soon. [snorts] The shabas says a third terret to be of the min of putting on chabas. And he says that this that we do it to feed the birds to remember the he says that's a mitzvah. either doing the mid as the mitzvah or to be hakar to the birds as a mitzvah giving the birds to eat for this reason of the sh is a mitzvah since the reason it's it's for it's now you can't be but the whole is it so it's like a mitzvah like The reason that the guilt that they ate of the that that's not for yourself that's to feed the birds the feeders come make I'm saying the reason >> but also we're feeding the birds but we're doing it for ourself >> that that reason you put they sent >> but here you're talking about the second reason that they they ate up >> but yeah >> I don't know if you're doing it for yourself it's more >> they're giving them ah Interesting. The second reason that we mentioned the reason why we get we give is to so that's also for the birds or he's saying if it's to remember the nest we're doing it for ourself. Even if it's also says and he still calls it he says you're doing it for yourself. So it's also for the reason the second reason also. Yeah. Interesting. So the third reason is that we're doing it it's it's maybe even we're doing it for the birds. It's it's a full but it's a mitzvah. So therefore we're allowed to feed the birds on chabas terrets. He brings governor brings them. There used to be a miniig that they used to kids used to go around with baskets and they used to spread out I don't know throw the apples spread out the apples all over and the kids used to collect the collect the apples now we have it with candies maybe not with a basket but the sh it's to go around with a basket to be to collect all the apples so why is it to do it's but what's the so says that the reason why is because it's of makesh So the is because it's so because it's we can't decide on our own but that was a minute exam by and the minim to feed the birds even though it's another is and he says just like it's mut to feed even though you're not allowed to feed animals but dog you allow to feed. And the reason for that is because they have very minimal food. So even though it's a and it's not your dog, you're still allowed to feed it because because they don't have enough food. You tak says like this in a lot of places, most places shabashira bash falls out in the winter. And since it falls out in the winter, it's frozen, it's snowy, it's icy. So even birds also are very limited. They really don't have food. They need your help. So it's to put out it's to put out the food which really comes out. It's not for two of the roots and we said before the first we're doing it for our or we're doing it mitzvah that's this week. This terret is really a the second ter said is that it's not a of course you could always do it but the this fourth terret is the reason you're allowed to do it even though it's because in the winter you're allowed to do it >> so far >> right >> yeah in Australia you also you're right over there that they have you also have to know now that it's different that there's so much garbage outside and the birds could find but the concept that's always says these mat stick to do it because it's because it's uh they're very they're very limited on food. It's interesting to know the kaz in he's not speaking about the meaning of shabashir but the kazh stretches it even a little further and he says not only if there isn't food but if there isn't a particular food so this maybe is a even in Florida as well the says bas he learns it in that if there's certain food that the birds don't have or any animals that don't have you're allowed to give it it's not that they don't have food which means if the birds fly around then they can find but If they can't find cookies, let's say, and that's something of food to give them. So the learns the motor though he says even though the raam learns not like that, you're not allowed to. But he says somebody that to feed animals which that particular food is not available. So this is another terret that the reason why you're allowed to do it is because nothing to do with shabashira do it for the mig of shabashira to remember the different reasons but it's a heer any time but mock with either in a cold climate they attack very limited on food or if they have plenty of food they don't have this particular food it's mut another terret the isel of says that it's mutton so [clears throat] even if you don't have all the the truth before the person forgot to put it out. He could he's a header of a cotton to put it out. Now we don't tell a cotton to go do but I guess that it's a again it's only on a cotton. Then he says another terret also this is actually the first terret was in the second ter in Shabas and he says if you were going to put it there anyways earlier we said that once you're moving it from your table so then what's the difference where you're putting it here he says if you're anyways going to put it which means you shake out your tablecloth and you shake it out on the porch. So if you shake it out and you're shaking on the porch and the birds come if you put it even without to feed the birds just you're putting it cuz that's where the place you dispose it. It's shabas brings that it's mut to empty. You want to shake out your tablecloth and you want to shake it out on your backyard on the grass any shabas. It's mut because you anyways doing it. You're not doing it to feed the birds. If you're not doing it to feed the birds, it's motor. Another this one is for sure a new one. So even I said it a few years ago. There's still a few things. This is for sure a new uh a new terret even for the that was here and remembers it. Rabakov Kamitki says a terror like this the following. He says the Gmorra says one of them said like what's the English like yeah that and Rashi explains and also they have the Rashi says is because they're on their kids don't give that comes out these worms and the kids can eat but he says like this the following since an has very limited food at least they're kids these limited food so for that just like we said before all birds cuz in general there's limited food he says the has limited food and since when you put out food says also in other words it's not a hat because you're feeding the birds when you put out for the birds also come and for you're allowed because they don't have food just like the kale doesn't have food. So this is again a ter it's not it's to put it out always because when you put it out not only regular birds come also come even though feeding is a mut chase away the rest of the bird [snorts] I don't know why why is different than any other bird at this point when they're when they're young and and the parents don't want to feed them that that makes it to feed >> yeah is not is not any different when they're bigger the And they shouldn't. >> No, it's not it's not a it's not for the or for the parents. It's for the kids to come and eat cuz they're very limited on food. >> The kids are the parents also at that point. By that time, they're the same they're the same as as the parents. It's only when they're in the nest and and they they don't have what to eat. There's no there's no heter to just feed to feed any birds. >> I hear what you're asking. The time that the kids, they could fly around so they could find food like any bird could find. more here. Once they're flying around, they're not different than any other bird, which means they could pick up food anywhere. So, what does it help that they're the kids don't get from the parents? They'll eventually they'll find themselves. And for the parents that they're going around, what are they getting food? If they're getting for the kids, then they're any like any bird. I hear I hear >> you see raven's feet though. They're amongst each other. The other birds, they eat nicely together. They always >> running. It's hard for them also. So here we said many different Yeshu. I think eight Yeshu I think seven seven or eight seven Yeshu to be able to to to for the minig to feed birds on shabas. However, like we mentioned in the beginning, many a lot if not all lamisa put it out of shabas. But if somebody forgets to put it out of shabas, it should be pretty clear that it's between all the different you could put it out on shabas. It's interesting the stipler didn't put it out on chabas, but rather put it out matz shabas. That's what they bring. The stipler put it out matzah shabas. And the stipler putting it out that he put it out of Shabas he said still till after Malav Mal it's still part of Shabas. So it's still Shabash he put it out go m Shabas. There's one more point to cover over here. So we spoke about the meaning of putting it out. There may be a a question how could you put it out on Shabas? Many Yeshu we said that even though putting it out on Shabas I'm put it out before Shabas. The Gomorrah says food that's designated for a person. You can't feed food that is made for a person. You can't feed it to an animal. That's a rash says two reasons. One reason is it looks like you're being buish is giving you is giving you food and you're just passing it on to the animals says another reason that it's rashi rashing. First of all, it's like says it's like what you mentioned before. It's the other way. It's good food that you're putting out. [snorts] This den this gum is not brought in but the brings it brings it inf says in the because so the is how could we put out food [clears throat] for the birds we should have this issue of so I think it's important to note that if you put out crumbs that you're anyways not going to eat and it's anyways going to the garbage. So that's not what we're talking about. You're being you're not eating it anyways. But how could one if one wants to put out not just crumbs you put up a pier before shabas you take a few slices of bread you take a bul and you put it out it should be problematic feeding the animals with good food. So theam and others say that we don't pass like that. We don't pass like that. The lion the garra says says we don't pass and it's not brought in since we don't pass and it's others also bring say like that they bring rias from two different gummoras the yus brings from a mishna it's only in some of the gumaras the on the garus the says in other words food that for you you're allowed to give to the behemoth. So you see you're allowed to >> does it mean special food like >> it's talking about food for that what your food that you want to have but if it's giving to like so it's so that's in other I'm sorry means even though the theor says you're not allowed we don't pass like that also says that there is No brings these another from a speaks about if a person is before. So a person's for a person is not which you see something food that would be for a person you could be you could give it to it happens to just be that when you make it's not considered these are different ters the terrets of the paradis says and he he's like this he learns in a And he learns the following. He says what's the even though it's to give food but a food that is leftover which means anyways not going to eat it. If you're going to keep it you're going to keep it. that's going to become spoiled which means the food that you're eating that's food to take off your plate to give to but food that's anyways not going to be eaten just like a small example let's see the chabas you're finished it's good it's but you're not eating it anymore and then if it's going to stay it's going to get spoiled if there's no fridge so bread the same thing also if you're going to what you're eating you're going to eat but let's say after the students two three pieces is that you cut it already that's going to get dried out and you're not eating it. That's mut. So they look like this leg putting it on. You saw many feeding an animal I'm sorry giving food. So firstly we saw the pasta says it's not even though the brings it or we saw that bread that's anyways not going to be eaten even though it's good bread now but you're not going to eat it. It's going to get ruined eventually. That's also Mut. Have a wonderful Shabas.