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Chukos Akum and Shavuos - Why the Gra Abolished the Minhag of Trees and Greenery
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Shavuos Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner from 2019
Categories:Torah/Yamim Tovim
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The in paral teaches
us that every mis anything that a person
does in this
world connected what he does there's a
mitzvah in
the one of the examples
first there's nothing in the world
that's not connected to mitzvah marshall
A person takes a haircut. They take a
haircut
for there are
many putting trees, branches, flowers.
We have also learned
the and tonight in the year we'll
discuss and speak how they're connected.
One of
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them
says the is to spread
out like as grass greenery to spread out
grass to put it in the
baknesses souls and s houses why what's
the reason that we put greenery
around which is
the reason
is
tora was the midbar and harino had
greenery had grass. So to remember the m
of hari we put grass we put
greenery is to spread out in the olden
days there was no floor so they spread
it out on the ground that's the first
minute the
is and it's interesting to note that
this already is
brought in
the when
went and he told
him and he told them all the
that they had they have claustrol. He
also went through the minhog and the
minogum he says this nation has a minute
that they spread out as greenery on the
yum
of so that's the first mig minute mig
number one brought in to spread out
greenery in your house in the
shulrai another minig which is brought
over
there and it's also brought
to put roses put roses prepare roses for
y and there he
says it's for y which technically it's
not any y to put roses and the he
doesn't bring up the
is
of sh the med says shenas
which means not
only we put
roses to to go out of
gulas. So that's the second mig number
one we see is to spread out greenery mig
number two is to put out roses.
The third mimig is the mitig that the
moan brings. And the morganav says the
mig is to put trees in one's houses and
in shoes. And what's the reason to put
trees? The reason to put trees is
because we're
need since we're
alo we bring in trees to remember that.
And like the moan of Rome says a person
should d should have good trees good
fruit it should be mp therefore there's
a discussion about bringing in trees or
at least branches which is included in
trees if you should bring dka from pis
to elon because that's what you're doing
for some say what are you bringing in
regular branches you're dinging it's to
remember that perilon so what are you
bringing in uh stan branches you should
bring in perilon and others say that you
can't bring in paracelon it's you and
cut from a a fruit tree. But that's the
mic of the mugram. The third minn first
minnig was to bring grass greenery and
the reason for greenery is for second is
roses,
flowers. And this
third is to bring in trees,
branches. People can have panos from any
type of tree really. Paper and hard wood
and all those sorts of other things. You
can have that you can have panos from a
tree has to come
from the
the
onus on the tree. So it says on Elon. So
Elon is Elon. I mean you could
definitely make money of the Elon
itself. You're right. You talk right.
You can make money from a tree.
Definitely people make money from trees
in many different ways. Not only paper,
locks for firewood. You can make money
off trees. You're right. But the piracy,
okay, that's needy to what type of tree
to bring in. But that's the of the minig
to bring in to bring in piracy to bring
in trees into to bring in trees into the
house. The the mission brings it. So
the
goyer and the brings this goyen. The
goyan says even though there is a mic to
bring trees in says the go we should be
the mic we should be
dism and the reason why because he says
it's since the bring in
trees their holiday they bring trees so
since they do it we should
stop before going into stand the sheet
of the Goyan just to note this of what
the Goyan says that
it's was also it's not only the Goyan it
was also by certain parts of the
also which is tomorrow night brings
his not to put trees trees and branches
and he
brings so we have over here The says to
do it and the and the says to be the
mid not to bring in trees and branches
inside the sh inside the
house. So we have three monogam we have
the min of greenery we have the min of
roses and we have the min of trees. When
the goyant said not to do the trees, is
he only talking about trees or is he
also talking about the meaning of the
rama? What the says about bringing in
greenery?
What it say? Have to know what the go.
You have to know what the go
do. The pashtas the goyan is it says
elonis. It says trees. It doesn't say
ace of the greenery and the stip
understood like that for
apos didn't put anything even greenery
as well but the stiple understood the
said dafa trees dka trees what say
that's
why you see the some people
bring in so you bringing a good point
about bringing out we're going to get to
it soon. Let's say if the do it
would that change let let's see we're
going to get to that shortly but the v
let's see the fact of where the is if
it's we'll try to see if we could cover
that as well so the says not to do
it understands that the is only
trees a
second he says also greenery
didn't want to say the reason the senses
would look through but that's says it
goes that the is even on greenery yes I
think they got I think the meaning by
the go they have also they don't just
bring in trees they bring in also
regular leaves and stuff
branches you were there
I
think branches
What say
is a a tree plant? We're going to speak
about that also. The
planter flowers, we're not um we're not
talking about branches. Apasha's
branches is included in what the goss
we're talking about something else.
Talking about in general any greenery,
anything else. Anything else? Take a
look in the 1810. These not only trees
these trees also but these other I'm
saying these greenery without artificial
flowers is that yeah you can trees are
official also last year somebody asked
me if you could be in the mig with fake
flowers or fake trees.
Yeah. So we have over here we have a
the the says to bring in trees
branches the goyan says not to do it
before being
the the yes to do the moan of yes to do
it we'll see a few yeshuim first let's
try to understand clearly the what the
goyan
says the explains brings about in a safe
and he explains the following. He says
there are
twoy and this we'll get to the hooky
that if a does
something it's awesome. That's one
hookah. And then there's another hookah.
If the does it for it's a custom a.
It's a that they do it. That's also a
two types of hookah. These are something
that the does laor goes into hookah.
And then this a is not doing the des
he does. It's a costume. Culture.
Culture. I mean I don't know if culture
is a good word. We'll see soon. I guess
styles and things. That's just a minute
they do it. That's a a custom a culture
could be is that's just a nature what
they do. I'm not
sure
says in if a guy does
something even if the you have to do it
we have to stop. If a guy does something
even if we were doing it we have to
stop. And the is from the
the even
though the office used the mat but since
the started
using so we stop that's the
first then there's
another that if the does it for a
custom a minute that's just what the
Because we don't have to stop. If it's a
if it's a if it's Medina. But if it's a
then we stop. If it's a we
stop. Then if we're doing we have to
stop. Well
depend then we have to stop.
But that's what he says since it's what
the says to bring
in. So therefore says we have to stop
the because they do it not but they do
it. We'll soon see a little more about
it but they do it not. And since it's
only a minute for we have to stop.
When did the
start even if the middle was first? Oh,
very good. Very good. Gavaldic. That's
the first terret. That leads us into the
first. We're going to see
three to be
the good only if it's very good. We're
going to get to that also. The third
let's that's that's very good very good
excellent we're going to get to that
momentarily
three so to speak not like the go one
terret the stifler says that the is of
the hooky is only we're not let to copy
them if they copy us they learn from us
it's not
user so I don't know the history I don't
know but if they learned the trees from
our
we it's not
so it would be says as we mentioned
before
he's in not to do it
but is only when we copy them if they're
copying us no
oh very
good that one of two reasons why m
became I'm not saying either they didn't
copy us either they have to say they
didn't copy us they just did it for
their own reason or could
be even if they copy us but if they're
doing we still have to stop good about
that's one of two yeshu you have to say
about why it was it was and then the
answer but if it's still they copied us
because it has to be a role it means
that we're copying them. They're copying
us. The second
ter
is and he says
the also come out from this
the is only if we copy the literally
exactly the way they do it and since the
trees they put it inside and outside as
opposed to we only put it inside.
That's the second issue of the
first is because only if we learn from
them. If they copy
us the
second is only user if we copy them
literally exactly the way they're doing
it. They do it inside and outside. We
only do it inside the mail. It's not
awesome. But the in
his says a case of
tree of having a
tree put a tree
by in the beginning of brings from he
brings
that planting a tree near a in certain
circumstance the way they did it and the
male is octar He has a ch with a tree
and he says that there's
no that we don't do it the way the
do it which way the tree faces. So this
is this is the is only if we copy them
exactly the way they do it since they
put the tree outside as well and we
don't put the tree outside it's we could
continue doing the min of putting trees
in the sh in the house. No, if we just
do branches
exactly the is branches also and they
also put branches pos it's trees and
branches. I didn't see anybody's mak
that branches should be like the whole
which we mentioned before is about
asvos mig of greenery anything even uh
grass or you could buy other types of
things in the flower store not not
branches from a tree
dava and then the third is like was
mishaldic but first let's let's
first see to be the yash of the mo of
and this the the Torah brings this
terret as well. He
says the says that
the do but if they don't do
it if they do
it without a reason then it's why is it
you have to be
maybe but if they have a reason the
reason why the go are doing it and
others say or at least if we have a
reason in this case. We both have a
reason as the
um inf brings that he asked he sent from
his people to the by the and he
asked them what's the reason they put a
tree trees and they said to make the
house look pretty they do it for that
reason we do it for our
reason is either if the are doing it
or even if they're not doing
They're doing
it where
it's does it for a reason. And the
reason why the put trees is because
they want to beautify their house. Weav
put trees in a shul and in our house as
the
explains not
because so that's a third reason why you
could put you could you could put you
could put trees in the in your
house. So we have
a
the says that you could the goyan says
you can't
because we explain the that
it's because even is we saw three why to
be maz to continue doing the like the
then it's allowed
the use a pine tree specifically
then go into the organized organ. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And therefore, so he said it
was it would be an issue because using
their particular one, right? So if
you're using da what they use their type
of tree might be still an issue. You're
saying but even if you don't use their
tree that should be another another
reason why it's m just like you're not
copying them because inside outside that
could also be a
it's interesting the lion in I saw
somebody else brings it also since they
do it
they're like would seem that if it's a
different time that would also make a
difference it's
not the however ever say this is that's
we went through the over
here again the third
ter is only when he's without a reason
or to make it very clear like we learned
the round the ra goes
with that the if the does it if the
does
it or like we're saying
now but if The has a reason. He
wants to put on a he wants to look like
a doctor. He wants he has a reason why
he's doing it. But there's no issue
of however the goyan right over here by
our argues. He goes with and the
learns that the of is even that there is
a reason there's a reason not preach and
there's a reason why the do it. So
even though by the trees he's a reason
why to go and do it and he's even a
reason why we do it it's still it's
still going to be
awesome somebody asked the about going
out to during shiva.
So the shil was that was the to go every
single day of the shiv and the shil is
if you're allowed to do it if it's so
about leaving the
house says that there's no problem it's
not that it's done it's
done you're going to say it's also so
this concept if something's done for a
reason why are doing it are we also
allowed to do it is there is
And as we see the little putting in a
tree in the bay in a
motor I don't know if these these two
men but along the lines of rebel and
said technically even trees but at
least as of greenery for sure He and
this is a
since most of the people over there the
are Arabs don't have the meaning of
the tree so says there will not
be I think they bring that he wasn't to
do it but invited even if go do it it
would depend on which place you are if
it's
roster
mogris mo brings the mo of Going that
says not to do it. Then he brings them
and he says and he says it's so we have
over here tomb and just to finish to
conclude with a ma from
theamifer in theam sh they used to
always decorate the shul mish with
branches and it you came in it the way
they ride it that smelled smelled like a
forest. It smelled mish. It smelled the
flowers, the grass, the greenery, the
trees was moik. One year it's in the in
the cyer of
umam one year the the gab didn't do it.
It doesn't say why he didn't do it. He
didn't do it cuz he decided he wants to
be Makma like the Goyan but he didn't he
did not decorate the sh with flowers and
trees and branches and theamif came in
and it wasn't there and the wasp and the
way they bring it that the person didn't
have a happy ending. So what you see is
these and we see the hog is how we're
learning
if everybody should be and everybody
should have a good