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Chukos Akum and Shavuos - Why the Gra Abolished the Minhag of Trees and Greenery

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The in paral teaches us that every mis anything that a person does in this world connected what he does there's a mitzvah in the one of the examples first there's nothing in the world that's not connected to mitzvah marshall A person takes a haircut. They take a haircut for there are many putting trees, branches, flowers. We have also learned the and tonight in the year we'll discuss and speak how they're connected. One of [Music] them says the is to spread out like as grass greenery to spread out grass to put it in the baknesses souls and s houses why what's the reason that we put greenery around which is the reason is tora was the midbar and harino had greenery had grass. So to remember the m of hari we put grass we put greenery is to spread out in the olden days there was no floor so they spread it out on the ground that's the first minute the is and it's interesting to note that this already is brought in the when went and he told him and he told them all the that they had they have claustrol. He also went through the minhog and the minogum he says this nation has a minute that they spread out as greenery on the yum of so that's the first mig minute mig number one brought in to spread out greenery in your house in the shulrai another minig which is brought over there and it's also brought to put roses put roses prepare roses for y and there he says it's for y which technically it's not any y to put roses and the he doesn't bring up the is of sh the med says shenas which means not only we put roses to to go out of gulas. So that's the second mig number one we see is to spread out greenery mig number two is to put out roses. The third mimig is the mitig that the moan brings. And the morganav says the mig is to put trees in one's houses and in shoes. And what's the reason to put trees? The reason to put trees is because we're need since we're alo we bring in trees to remember that. And like the moan of Rome says a person should d should have good trees good fruit it should be mp therefore there's a discussion about bringing in trees or at least branches which is included in trees if you should bring dka from pis to elon because that's what you're doing for some say what are you bringing in regular branches you're dinging it's to remember that perilon so what are you bringing in uh stan branches you should bring in perilon and others say that you can't bring in paracelon it's you and cut from a a fruit tree. But that's the mic of the mugram. The third minn first minnig was to bring grass greenery and the reason for greenery is for second is roses, flowers. And this third is to bring in trees, branches. People can have panos from any type of tree really. Paper and hard wood and all those sorts of other things. You can have that you can have panos from a tree has to come from the the onus on the tree. So it says on Elon. So Elon is Elon. I mean you could definitely make money of the Elon itself. You're right. You talk right. You can make money from a tree. Definitely people make money from trees in many different ways. Not only paper, locks for firewood. You can make money off trees. You're right. But the piracy, okay, that's needy to what type of tree to bring in. But that's the of the minig to bring in to bring in piracy to bring in trees into to bring in trees into the house. The the mission brings it. So the goyer and the brings this goyen. The goyan says even though there is a mic to bring trees in says the go we should be the mic we should be dism and the reason why because he says it's since the bring in trees their holiday they bring trees so since they do it we should stop before going into stand the sheet of the Goyan just to note this of what the Goyan says that it's was also it's not only the Goyan it was also by certain parts of the also which is tomorrow night brings his not to put trees trees and branches and he brings so we have over here The says to do it and the and the says to be the mid not to bring in trees and branches inside the sh inside the house. So we have three monogam we have the min of greenery we have the min of roses and we have the min of trees. When the goyant said not to do the trees, is he only talking about trees or is he also talking about the meaning of the rama? What the says about bringing in greenery? What it say? Have to know what the go. You have to know what the go do. The pashtas the goyan is it says elonis. It says trees. It doesn't say ace of the greenery and the stip understood like that for apos didn't put anything even greenery as well but the stiple understood the said dafa trees dka trees what say that's why you see the some people bring in so you bringing a good point about bringing out we're going to get to it soon. Let's say if the do it would that change let let's see we're going to get to that shortly but the v let's see the fact of where the is if it's we'll try to see if we could cover that as well so the says not to do it understands that the is only trees a second he says also greenery didn't want to say the reason the senses would look through but that's says it goes that the is even on greenery yes I think they got I think the meaning by the go they have also they don't just bring in trees they bring in also regular leaves and stuff branches you were there I think branches What say is a a tree plant? We're going to speak about that also. The planter flowers, we're not um we're not talking about branches. Apasha's branches is included in what the goss we're talking about something else. Talking about in general any greenery, anything else. Anything else? Take a look in the 1810. These not only trees these trees also but these other I'm saying these greenery without artificial flowers is that yeah you can trees are official also last year somebody asked me if you could be in the mig with fake flowers or fake trees. Yeah. So we have over here we have a the the says to bring in trees branches the goyan says not to do it before being the the yes to do the moan of yes to do it we'll see a few yeshuim first let's try to understand clearly the what the goyan says the explains brings about in a safe and he explains the following. He says there are twoy and this we'll get to the hooky that if a does something it's awesome. That's one hookah. And then there's another hookah. If the does it for it's a custom a. It's a that they do it. That's also a two types of hookah. These are something that the does laor goes into hookah. And then this a is not doing the des he does. It's a costume. Culture. Culture. I mean I don't know if culture is a good word. We'll see soon. I guess styles and things. That's just a minute they do it. That's a a custom a culture could be is that's just a nature what they do. I'm not sure says in if a guy does something even if the you have to do it we have to stop. If a guy does something even if we were doing it we have to stop. And the is from the the even though the office used the mat but since the started using so we stop that's the first then there's another that if the does it for a custom a minute that's just what the Because we don't have to stop. If it's a if it's a if it's Medina. But if it's a then we stop. If it's a we stop. Then if we're doing we have to stop. Well depend then we have to stop. But that's what he says since it's what the says to bring in. So therefore says we have to stop the because they do it not but they do it. We'll soon see a little more about it but they do it not. And since it's only a minute for we have to stop. When did the start even if the middle was first? Oh, very good. Very good. Gavaldic. That's the first terret. That leads us into the first. We're going to see three to be the good only if it's very good. We're going to get to that also. The third let's that's that's very good very good excellent we're going to get to that momentarily three so to speak not like the go one terret the stifler says that the is of the hooky is only we're not let to copy them if they copy us they learn from us it's not user so I don't know the history I don't know but if they learned the trees from our we it's not so it would be says as we mentioned before he's in not to do it but is only when we copy them if they're copying us no oh very good that one of two reasons why m became I'm not saying either they didn't copy us either they have to say they didn't copy us they just did it for their own reason or could be even if they copy us but if they're doing we still have to stop good about that's one of two yeshu you have to say about why it was it was and then the answer but if it's still they copied us because it has to be a role it means that we're copying them. They're copying us. The second ter is and he says the also come out from this the is only if we copy the literally exactly the way they do it and since the trees they put it inside and outside as opposed to we only put it inside. That's the second issue of the first is because only if we learn from them. If they copy us the second is only user if we copy them literally exactly the way they're doing it. They do it inside and outside. We only do it inside the mail. It's not awesome. But the in his says a case of tree of having a tree put a tree by in the beginning of brings from he brings that planting a tree near a in certain circumstance the way they did it and the male is octar He has a ch with a tree and he says that there's no that we don't do it the way the do it which way the tree faces. So this is this is the is only if we copy them exactly the way they do it since they put the tree outside as well and we don't put the tree outside it's we could continue doing the min of putting trees in the sh in the house. No, if we just do branches exactly the is branches also and they also put branches pos it's trees and branches. I didn't see anybody's mak that branches should be like the whole which we mentioned before is about asvos mig of greenery anything even uh grass or you could buy other types of things in the flower store not not branches from a tree dava and then the third is like was mishaldic but first let's let's first see to be the yash of the mo of and this the the Torah brings this terret as well. He says the says that the do but if they don't do it if they do it without a reason then it's why is it you have to be maybe but if they have a reason the reason why the go are doing it and others say or at least if we have a reason in this case. We both have a reason as the um inf brings that he asked he sent from his people to the by the and he asked them what's the reason they put a tree trees and they said to make the house look pretty they do it for that reason we do it for our reason is either if the are doing it or even if they're not doing They're doing it where it's does it for a reason. And the reason why the put trees is because they want to beautify their house. Weav put trees in a shul and in our house as the explains not because so that's a third reason why you could put you could you could put you could put trees in the in your house. So we have a the says that you could the goyan says you can't because we explain the that it's because even is we saw three why to be maz to continue doing the like the then it's allowed the use a pine tree specifically then go into the organized organ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And therefore, so he said it was it would be an issue because using their particular one, right? So if you're using da what they use their type of tree might be still an issue. You're saying but even if you don't use their tree that should be another another reason why it's m just like you're not copying them because inside outside that could also be a it's interesting the lion in I saw somebody else brings it also since they do it they're like would seem that if it's a different time that would also make a difference it's not the however ever say this is that's we went through the over here again the third ter is only when he's without a reason or to make it very clear like we learned the round the ra goes with that the if the does it if the does it or like we're saying now but if The has a reason. He wants to put on a he wants to look like a doctor. He wants he has a reason why he's doing it. But there's no issue of however the goyan right over here by our argues. He goes with and the learns that the of is even that there is a reason there's a reason not preach and there's a reason why the do it. So even though by the trees he's a reason why to go and do it and he's even a reason why we do it it's still it's still going to be awesome somebody asked the about going out to during shiva. So the shil was that was the to go every single day of the shiv and the shil is if you're allowed to do it if it's so about leaving the house says that there's no problem it's not that it's done it's done you're going to say it's also so this concept if something's done for a reason why are doing it are we also allowed to do it is there is And as we see the little putting in a tree in the bay in a motor I don't know if these these two men but along the lines of rebel and said technically even trees but at least as of greenery for sure He and this is a since most of the people over there the are Arabs don't have the meaning of the tree so says there will not be I think they bring that he wasn't to do it but invited even if go do it it would depend on which place you are if it's roster mogris mo brings the mo of Going that says not to do it. Then he brings them and he says and he says it's so we have over here tomb and just to finish to conclude with a ma from theamifer in theam sh they used to always decorate the shul mish with branches and it you came in it the way they ride it that smelled smelled like a forest. It smelled mish. It smelled the flowers, the grass, the greenery, the trees was moik. One year it's in the in the cyer of umam one year the the gab didn't do it. It doesn't say why he didn't do it. He didn't do it cuz he decided he wants to be Makma like the Goyan but he didn't he did not decorate the sh with flowers and trees and branches and theamif came in and it wasn't there and the wasp and the way they bring it that the person didn't have a happy ending. So what you see is these and we see the hog is how we're learning if everybody should be and everybody should have a good