Buying a candelabra – halachic requirements and restrictions (Parshas Terumah)

In this week's staff, we're holding the Gmorra brings which is in the make a replica of anything of the B mikdash. The Gomorrah says you're not allowed to copy and make what the migdash the way out of mdash look the size of the ba mdash. You're not to make like the ba mdash. You're not going to make a replica of the manure of the BA mdash. The pashas the iser of not making a replica is alive. Like the garra starts off with me going on the Mishna about having images of the leaves. It's you're not allowed to make a replica of the BD is however the Rambam the Rambam as well as the the Rambam brings in the of the and the also by that bring the make the B is the already asks that the G over here that we just learned we're learning now is we have either the over here when the brings this he's discussing a certain case which we're going to get to soon. He says also is handling a case and he says so to make a replica. We're gonna focus today on the Isra of the which is also the beginning of this week's par is to make a copy a replica of the which we're going to see is very very neg says where is the iser the is the garra says is to make seven the mikdash had seven seven branches and seven places to put in Seven fires the branches will call is the branches and the top will call the nis the holders to put in says the gumra even though seven is asser but he's an eight you can make five six you can make eight why is not kosher in the bdash it's only user to make something that's kosher that you could use in the ba mikdash therefore says the garra even if the manoya is not made out of It's not a golden mana since a mana of mat of metal brings is about wood says of metal is cauter by they use the manoa of metal and it's cauter. So even a manoa that's not made out of gold mana resolve like should have been in the base mdash since mus is also ker it's also to make such a mana that is brought in replica says You're allowed to make a man made out of five branches or six branches or eight to make a made out of seven branches. Even if it's made out of other metals, that's also the flowers and the balls and the cups. Even if the manury did not you make such a without it you still it's to do it even if it's not the height of 18 that was the height of the mana it's still aer because that was caution in the ba mdash so we have over here even if a manra is not exactly a replica of the bas mikdash a mana that would be made and could be cauter in the basa migdash is asser The mela the pisk speak about what happens and it happened many times over a mana that they made in the shul by the if you take a look over here there's a picture of it a picture is not user but this would be a picture of a manoa this is a manoa of the ba mikdash of seven kum so they have had the pkim speak through the dyus generations what happens about a manoa that was made of Seven kum is iter or mut to be >> mim have a mana made out of seven. So the truth is this was really the the need and the pushi says that in the European sh they have they had such such monus see the pictures they have them now also where is the isser which means when you make a replica is it the seven branches that's a problem or is it the seven holders to hold seven nays which means Could you make a man of seven branches but as long as on top these isn't seven holders let's say you have on top one of them is split into two it's eight or the opposite two some of them are stuffed up so even if the European shoes have manus it looks beautiful seven mish like the bas mikdash but if on top some of them are stuffed up or some of them are more would be mut is the iser the seven branches or the iser is the top which will call the nero the holders the seven holders. So this is a big is a dispute in the post the right here on the says that if he brings a story with a shul that made a mana of seven condoms seven branches and that's says since it's these no being make we feel bad that the sh made it spent money making such a beautiful mana of seven but he says you either have to add one or send take away a branch. Either add a branch or take away a branch. Seven branches is aer that's what the says you have to either add one or take away one. The as well brings that you have to have either seven. You have to either take away a branch or add a branch as opposed to which would be a more practical to stuff up the top or split it because it doesn't take away the nice look. And he brings that's also the theor actually doesn't say seven of what the Gmorra just says seven is five six and eight is if you take a look in the it says in other words the branches is the you have to actually either make a man of eight branches or of six or a five marsh of Shamron say his grandfather had the Shila in this particular case with a mana that was made in a shul that was a mana of seven they made it because they want to copy a mana it's a mdish they want to make like a ba mikdash and he said what they did was is they came up with an idea they'll stuff up two of the holders technically one would have been enough but maybe in other words to light they wanted it to be even they stuffed up two of them and zakam it's mut it's allowed which means even though with seven branches as long as the top was stuffed up is mut but he says stuffing up only helps if it's a permanent stuffed up permanently you pour in lead you pour in metal something that's permanently stuffs it up that's where it's going to be mutter However, if you put in cotton or you put in sand or something that you could just take it out, that's not called stuffed up and there will be user. So dear Marsham and so to the speaks with the same idea and says that instead of when you have a mana of seven he says you could split one of the taps and make that it should be eight eight n which means you can light technically eight candles eight places to light and it's going to be mut it's going to be mut. So we have a if the iser is seven branches or the iser is on top as long as you don't have seven places to put fire the asks if there's an eight to stuff up the top or to add on the top why does the gamorra and the rambom say on the raom he asks the rambom says you're not allowed to make up seven branches but you're allowed to make five six eight why doesn't the rambom give the eight so also So you could make seven branches. You can make seven branches, but as long as on top either these six or eight places for the fire. That's what he asks. Why doesn't the Rambam bring this eight also? No, it's a part to eight and it's an important. It's a practical if you made him an of seven. As long as on top he's either six or eight. It's a it's good. >> That's what the asks on the Rambam. >> Oh asks on his D from the Rambam. practical making saying how to make a mana saying how to make a mono don't make of seven branches I'm not sure if that's an answer because lisa just like the raam says that it gives a how yes to make a mono with six branches >> everyanch oh so that's what the says usually when you have seven branches. The normal is is that you use all seven branches. So if says the Rama to make eight br eight six branches with six or eight on top places to light but you could if you made seven and you stuff it up it'll be good or you add another place to light this is a two rashis or it's a rashio maybe rashi holds both rashi When it brings when on this the rashi says when the garra says seven you can't but you can make shall says hey says in other words is as long as you don't make seven that's if you take a look by over here on the rashi says when the garra says about Speaking five, six, five, six or eight says rashi. The first two rashies on the base. Rashi one place says the the branches over here says which would mean the top is in the mdash. What was it? The branches or was it the place on top? The light was the Makave. Now let's take a move on out of the shinoa and let's take a move on to something that's even more practical for everybody. A lear a candalabra. Are you allowed to have a le or a candalabra that has seven either branches or on top holders? We had a mus before, but you allow to have a candalabra of seven branches or if you again if you hold it, it's the on top. So you could have one of them stuffed up, but you can't have seven places to light from. So this shila really is split into two. The shila is if you have a candalabra of seven with one in the middle which that's usually the case even if you have a candalabra of five usually these four on the side and one on top in the middle that would be the shil about seven that you have one in the middle and then we'll speak about if you have seven just as as in a circle without any in the middle so first let's speak about a candalabra that has one that has one in the middle says The is right here on the block on the says the it's in other words even though our manu was made straight aligned all seven but even though even if it was made aligned if you you don't have it aligned which means you have it in a circle or in a triangle all shapes it doesn't make a difference as long as you have one in the middle that would to do. He brings the says that you could be but he says since it's like we mentioned before it's either or it's an he says you should be you have to be. So if there's a one in the middle, a candalabra that has one in the middle, it's going to be asser to have it's >> asser. We're going to speak about we're going to get to that in a minute about a hanging. Let's one minute. But we have so far pretty clear is if you have a candalabra with one with one candle in the middle, it's going to be like this week's parish. The way out sur was is that you have to have it facing to the middle. As long as it's one in the middle, it's going to be a >> Where's the make using what's the where's the in which part of we're going to get to most of the is however one thing is asking where is the is one thing I didn't speak out at the beginning that the gammor says and the is not only to make it it's to have it also it's a discussion we're going to get to it now. But is not only to make it who than to have it, but even when making it, we're going to speak about item soon. So again what we have over here so far is that you're not make the labra that has one in the middleia wants to know in the lot of the it used to be maybe still is what's about if you have either for shabas or even in general you have a chandelier that's a circle with a whole bunch of candles so the dark speaks out clearly that it's mut since there isn't one in the middle it's mut it's mut so if you have hanging hanging from the ceiling or even not hanging from the ceiling. You have a lighter that's seven. But if there's none in the middle, no one candle in the middle, it's mut. >> What if there is one in the middle? But it doesn't have the common >> doesn't have a >> It's not made of branches. >> So really, this would depend. It's not what I mean. It's not made of branches. There's one in the middle that you could light or there isn't even a branch. He's saying there's a branch, but you can't light. >> No, it's not different. It's built differently. or something else. >> It's like it's like this. You have you have seven around and you have something. >> Yeah. That has one in the middle. >> What do you mean without branches? How is a deer for >> hanging with chain on a chain let's say and they have it's made with glasses. So in the caseia what you're speaking about is let's say there's it's not forget there is even if it's hanging from a chain there's something that holds the fire but you're saying it's not there's no base it's not on a base >> so on that the one that was just sniffed his father as a long cha we're going to get to we're going to get to it momentarily I wasn't going to speak about this particular thing but he speaks if let's say there's a man that comes right out of the which means there's no base he says would be mut because in the base of But let's what say >> no even if there is >> has to come off something. Yeah. Very good. He speaks about it and this is really a for itself wouldn't be it wouldn't be because in the base it's so back to what we have. You have a labra which has everything perfectly. It's just round and you have one in the middle is if you don't have one in the middle says the dark that it's going to be it's not mdra is letters that wrote different hogus by what he saw by his father-in-law and he brings that by they had a made out of seven branches without one in the middle without one in the middle was but he brought down a somebody to fix it and it was a big that had to squeeze one in because it also ruined a little bit the shape of how the look was of seven points and he was marked but to add in another one so it shouldn't be seven it shouldn't be mikdash his mat and on that the mav has a whole long ch goes and this Indian because also he was a sh of mana in the in the shul not a mono of seven straight but more like round and he speaks about it without one in the middle with one in the middle and he says a if there isn't one in the middle it would be mut to do but was clearly even without one in the middle he was also to add one in so we see over here it's interesting to note in Kfki he brings there was somebody that was learning Shashana got to this maybe he was in a morning coil. They learned a blot a week. They got to that and the Gomorrah says the Gomorrah he learned to go that the garra says you're not allowed to make a replica of the of seven. This was after 30 years that he had a candle labra made out of seven. He went to aski what should you do? What am I supposed to do over here? Shabbki said that his mother got such a monoa made out of seven and the said you have to go and return it made out of seven you have to be mid but it's not clear if it was talking about there was one in the middle and not one in the middle so we have even without one in the middle if it's if there's one in the middle that's pretty clear on the pkim that a person should be and not use such a that has one in the I was just missic what's about if it's not the same height which means if it's not even some of the candles are higher some are lower is that a is that a I didn't see the pisk speak about it and just like we mentioned before that the pisk say I think it's a piska says that I have a ray that even around is also aer because if not the gmorra should have brought this Why doesn't the garra bring the of a round candalabra or a manoa made of round is mut? The garra takes the time to give us the garra gives the about a mana that's eight is mut. So the garra should have said but if it's the eagle it's mut the eagle is also asser. So I'm just wondering if that would be a ray also if these when it's not even whether if it's straight or round which means do they have to all be the same height or could some be higher some be lower? I don't know what the is but if that would be a you can make a of seven and just make them different levels. No zigzag that's clear eagle that's clear as is >> asser >> also doesn't make a difference the the piska says eagle it doesn't make a difference what type of direction you make it it doesn't have to be straight then if it's square if it's triangle as long as he's one in the middle it's >> asseration seven days of the week to have >> a mana made out of seven because that's the if you're bringing that up is saying about what the says to light seven oasis >> the says is to answer the BV's kasha the BV asks in Kaneka the famous kasha why is there eight days of the nest was only seven days so there should be seven days of kaneka so he says the reason why we don't have seven days of kaneka is because people are going to make manuras out of seven and they're going to be even though these like we mentioned before you could stuff it up branches you could do all types of but there's going to be a kilo there are going to be people that are just going to make a a ice seven branch man with seven on top because that's what we need. So therefore they were eight days. >> Oh, we're going to get to that in a minute. One minute. We're going to get to that. >> Y asked what's about electric manura. We're not talking about electric. We're talking about electric mana by themed which is very common. It's very practical. You turn it on when you go up to the electric mana. Is electric mana mut or asser if it's has seven branches and on top seven bulbs is it mut or is it asser? So in chisan hogus which was an American now that it's aer it's aer even if it's an electric mana it's also aer and he brings a raya from the piska the piska says that not only if a manoa that holds oil even a manoa that could only hold candles let's say the example be is that there's like a point and you could stick candles in it can hold oil cannot Still it's says just like a man that's made out of candles is so too a mana that's made out of electric man is also going to be if it's a replica to the mdashd >> I don't know I don't know I don't know >> one second wants to know le the truth is I don't remember if I spoke about it over here But there's a whole shila about electric and if I remember correctly I think of zman speaks about the type of bulbs if the bulb which is not the now so could be that would be to chosinstein says which comes out of he says that the mana that's user to make a replica is only a mana that could hold the amount of oil that you need in the ba mikdash which only such a man is could be if you make it a little less since it's enough for the nights like now late the short nights and maybe also in the base mdash would be I mean cauter to use would be so says only a mana that's made out of a mana that can handle oil for the whole night like in the bdash is which comes out a bit cooler from this that you can make as long as it doesn't have that amount of oil which would pretty much be clear that if you need oil that amount it would be pretty clear that electric man should for sure be mut is a mus if it's kosher in the mikdash or could be even if it's not kosher but the posture says you need a that's you need a that's in the ba mdash last the whole night >> I hear and if it's electric that's cautim talking about what's in the BA mdash. We're not going to be able to go into it, at least not today, but there's a whole schmoo in the sh about what's we're not going to go into it, but that's a that's also a discussion in different things that if it's would be the mdash. One final thing to bring up which asked before these organization in the old city that's making the kaum preparing for the B mikdash I'm not going into the I just want to go onto the den they make they made a mana the manoa is there it's on the steps on the way down to the kisel that manura is said to be they say that it's going to be kosher it's the sheer 18im It's ZV. It's gold. >> What? What? >> Other caum as well. We're speaking about mono. So, let's focus the mana. Many was actually the only kay that I saw. I never went to take a tour in their museum to see the other They have other caum. But the manoya is pretty clear. It's actually out. Anybody could see it. You pass by. So the shila is what's what's the I actually even spoke to them. I call them up to this to to go through what's the hat. So the first thing is these are mitzvah and the ram of mikdash and the part of the mitzvah is the but the sh is what's the we see over here these to make the kum the >> oh so let's these two but what's what's to be mas what's taking it but what's what's in the garra says he's soing where do you Where's that hat? So, I'll read the when is the only use. If you make the to use iter, they're not making it to use. And the truth is it's right here. It's not user to make. So that's the first thing the is only when it's made to use one more ter would be iner which the which we mentioned earlier says that these it's but while saying that it's only he says the which is mikdash is only when you make it so to speak for yourself but he says if you make it he means you're making it for the mikdash which obviously that's a like mentioned before there's a mitzvah to make the if you make it for personal it's a if you make it for the mdish it's so just to what we have over here is to make a replica of the this is is when it's seven branches or seven tops top the holders where you put the fire in and we saw by a candle labra even if it's not straight it's a circle it's user but this only when there's one in the middle was even without one in the middle seemed to say that if there's none in the middle if there's none in the middle that it would be if not in the middle then it would be mut and then we see that the whole is is when it's made for personal use but if it's not made for personal use isn't this >> is chabas