Asking others to perform Melochos on Shabbos that you can’t do - Shiur by Rabbi Simcha Bunim Berger

Okay, good evening my Rabbi Sai. Another Shir in Kadusha Shabas this week. The Shir is asking your friend to do something for you that you yourself can't do. Let me give you a few examples. How about if a person has it has the taken the he can't he or she doesn't open up bottles on chabas any of the plastic plastic covers can you ask someone else your friend doesn't have that or doesn't have that I'm be careful if I call it ara yet can you ask your friend to open the bottom for me. Seeing that you can't do it, that means that it's user for you to do this. Is it also for you to tell him? He could do it cuz he doesn't have that cuz he pass. Give you another example. When food that was hot on Shabas begins to cool down. It's a do. It's a do and it gets cooler, but it's not room temperature yet. It's warmer than room temperature. It's still warm because the heat that had would generate is still prevalent in the food. the rakins you can put it back on a hot plate and it's not a problem of bishel theor the b and the asser it's mut for an ashkanazi but it's user for aari can thei asks the ashkanazi to put the food back on because for the ashkanazi he's not doing anything wrong but for the sardi it is so is out of bounds or what do you care? He's allowed to. Yeah, but he's not allowed to do it for me. But he's allowed to. For him, it's a for me it's not. Can I ask him to do it? Shabas. Someone goes to the first minion. Mab Shabas. I forgot to turn on the lights. Forgot to put on the AC. Forgot this. My neighbor has not yet been mal Shabas. Can I ask him to come over to the house and do all the malas that I cannot do now because I was mab shabas the end of shabas I keep raenu my keeps 50 minutes he's already den I haven't den can I ask him to turn on the lights the rottenberg continues yumptiff into sukus time or pes he continues the way into the night almost to and there's a music and there's etc all these things going on is he and he didn't he didn't bench yet and his didn't make abdullah can they ask other people who have already on to do. This is the question for tonight. The person who has on himself an iser regarding is shabas but is does not have that is can you tell him and ask him to do yes or no? Let's take a look and see a fascinating is and still and learn this. Once again, I want to thank Torah anytime for being for spreading the shim and I want to thank and Rabbi Shiner for making all of these shimm possible. We begin it's page four at the bottom. Shabas says the you can see in that little gray part a fellow can tell his friendly story is like this. There is a restriction called Shabas. A person can walk and can walk up till 2,000 Amas past his if a person has payrise beyond his he can't even go there his lives in the a little bit farther over in the next and I remember back in 1995 when Ramat B she was originally built And it was adjacent to the regular Besh and there were a few Schlavim and B at this time we're talking 30 years later the whole place has exploded but back then it was 1995 was very small and the end of Ramad B she ended at a certain street and 2,000 Amos away was the next community. And the joke was, and it was a joke, it was true. You, if you walked 2,000 Amas, there was no mikvah in Ramadish in 1995. But if you walked, the end of 2,000 Amas was the fourth step in the mikvah, which means you could only go to step number four. You couldn't go. After they extended and they built a little bit more, then they were able to go in completely. But you have 2,000 Amas from where you're at. your who's living over there. So if you were to ask him on Shabas, can you watch something for me? He's not doing anything wrong. You can't go there. But he being there can do you says our that's watch my that's in your now does it have to be that you scratch my back I scratch your back not necessarily it's just the mere fact that what Ruain is asking Shim to do is something that Shim is allowed to do. He's allowed to. You're not asking to do something that's because that's his the rashbah. If you turn the next page, the rashbah we're going to be seeing pages five and six. At the bottom of page five, moving right along, he says, "Regarding this, you watch the news even though he cannot go there. Why is he allowed to do it since his friend is allowed to do it? He's allowed to watch it. Next page, page six on the top. Meaning he's not saying something that is user. You know, on Shabas, we're told you can only say things that are permissible. We're not going to talk about Amir's akumn tonight extensively, but we will say the following. If you need a guy to do something for you on Shabas, the way you ask him makes a huge difference between whether it's mut or to ask him to do an outright isser is a problem and is user because of of you're not saying things that are permissible. But to hint to him and he'll understand by himself. I never if I said it was cold or was hot or something and again I'm not going into the per se but I am talking about the part certain amic even not even if no one's doing it saying what you're not allowed to say on chabas is prohibited says you're not saying anything wrong you're asking him to watch something which is in his to he's not what even though you get but you're not saying I'm going to do it you're he's doing it and It's fine. Therefore, based on this, we're going to give you another we learn from this. [Music] See where I am, gentlemen. wasab early. You can even tell him what to do for the person who's doing it. It's being done. Your has not accepted chabas yet. So what you're asking him to do is 100% permissible for him. I for you it's but what you're asking him to do is not an issue thing since what you're asking to do is not you're not saying anything wrong and he can do it for you it ain't so if you forgot to turn on the lights turn on the AC turn off the lights turn off the you were shabas earlier and your wasn't no problem you can go ahead and do it. I will mention I'm going to skip ahead for a minute. There is the if you go all the way to page 16, this is a point within it's a side point, but I want to mention it now. I don't think we're going to get to it later, but I want to mention it now. In hila's cababala shabas there makes a very big difference between communities like we have here in my where every block is another shaw and any person can be dabbining in multiple shs and within one shul goofa there's a few minanim so anybody it's like a free fall you want to be mabo shabas early go ahead but in some small out of town villages or once upon a time their whole entire community had only one minion and everybody dabbed at that one minion. That's called the of that everybody is after that minion. Then if one person didn't mab Shabas but he was supposed to be Mabul Shabas because it's only one community you don't have the option that Tis and the Rashba are mentioning Rash must be talking about a situation where it's acceptable that there are many minion so one fellow doesn't have to be Mabo Shabas just cuz the community did cuz he can have in another minion If however you're in a place where there's only one minion and one cababas shabas then everybody's on board that person you ask him something do something that he wouldn't be able to do. Let's see that inside for a moment. If you turn please to page 16 brings down where you see that gray area. We'll soon see that if it's with a that he was and and the whole was the which we'll see that if you wanted you didn't have to because the goes after the meaning to say that in such a situation if there would only be one schol there isn't even another sch and somebody was not yet shabas then it wouldn't be permissible that's the story that he brings down and we'll see well maybe I'll get back to But because we're talking about scenarios where there are multiple shs, multiple minimum, it's 100% permissible for a person to not be m you want to be that's your that's your opinion. Okay, let's go back to let's go back to our rash. So the raj said you can go ahead and ask somebody to do what he wants at what what you need even though you're shabas. That's the rash and however one of the contemporaries the ran argues with this or this opinion. Take a look on page seven. The ran is the smaller words in right the riff is in the middle. The ran is at the side. The gray area is referring to the ran. He quotes the rajbah and he says he can tell him to go ahead and and watch it. So to go and tell him do that's what the you see where that is. I disagree. The comparison of watching fruits on shabas is not like asking someone to do a on Arab shabas when it's shabas for him. Why it's possible that even Ru who is stuck within the and can't go to that can make his way there. If a would extend and add another hut on Shabas to the city and create a bigger tum. Normally you would think that the you have on shabas is your and it can't be extended. So this is your boundary. The ran as we'll soon see in the back holds that if added area a you a ye is not allowed to build on chabas and you're not allowed to ask a to build on chabas but some bedawin or some decides to put up a little hut right outside the city. He has automatically extended the city even if he did it on Shabas which means says the ran that the area where your parents are are out of bounds now but it's not for not necessarily have to be out of bounds so it's not intrinsically user for you that's why the Garra said it's mut but to ask someone to work for me when I already accepted Shabas to put on the lights even though he didn't but how can I I already accepted Shabas can I undo my acceptance of Shabas p does not as such the the case that and the rajbah says that just because you can ask somebody to watch your payis you can also ask somebody to do on Arab shabas that's what says says the I disagree it's not true over there they can make a borggan it could be potentially acceptable for the person who's sending him versus the case on Shabas wants there's no way he can do he can't do the what are we seeing let's learn it a little bit deeper and the raj focusing on who is doing the person who's doing it it's 100% motor if he's allowed to go ahead and watch your parents cuz it's in his tomb. He's also allowed to work for you on Chabas cuz he has a mabo chabas. The rat seems to be saying, "Do you know why I was allowed to ask him to watch the papis? Cuz potentially I could have watched the papis. It has to do with the sender. Can you potentially do it there where you could potentially do it?" Yes. But here you cannot potentially do because once you're shabas, you're shabas. Therefore says the ran I disagree and I don't hold of this and you cannot if you have already been shabas you cannot ask someone else to do a for you how do we pass it the b the let's see what the said about this shin we'll go to page eight and take a look at the b the quotes, as you could see from that gray area, he quotes the ran. He quotes the ran and then he says maven devar. I don't understand what he's saying. He's saying that it's possible that a person can have a borg in and go there, right? Eymarami [Music] any If I says the B Ysef, he could himself have not been Mabel Shabas. The fact that he was Mabel Shabas was his own. He decided to be Makab. It's not like he's doing asking him to do a that is totally foreign to him. It's only user because he was mabas. If the Ran is saying, if the Ran is saying that you can go ahead and fix the issue of the Shabas because potentially someone can build something and make it within the says the B. I can argue that the is of Arab Shabis is just that was mab upon himself and he didn't have to. So for that reason he should also be muted. This is what the B says and all the mafersim have struggle with the words of the B. But what do you mean? Take a look at the B and the Taz who ask similar questions. Take a look on page K the next page number nine the muim bf. You're right. If he wouldn't have been Mabel Shabas, it wouldn't be User. But he was Mab Shabas. What do you mean? Top of the page to him. They make no sense to me. He did accept upon him. He has no way he could do it. He would have a if they would go ahead and do it, they would be able to fix it. Now, I don't understand what the B is asking. Beno too, page number 10, the Taz asks the same question. Right on the side of the Taz on your right side, little gray area. I don't understand what the is asking when you say when you say that it's you have to have a now what is it going to help to say it could have been I could have not been you But today you were Mab Shabas. So what does the B mean? I don't understand his argument. Having said that, having said that even the B and the Taz eventually learn like the Rashbah. If you look in the it's right in front of you on this page, page number 10. A person was shabas before dark time. You can see where I'm reading from. He can tell him to do a friend continues the you can even have why you can tell someone that If you decide to keep a late chabas and you have sheet and it's being and all your friends have already except they already made a and they say you know what let's make you some nice scrambled eggs or let's make some pancakes or if you're having flesh shakes let's go ahead and make some chicken or schnitle says the go ahead and eat it. Why? Why? Because for them it's not a and and not only that you can even ask them to do it because you're not asking to do anything wrong. If Shabas which I can't undo the shabas I've already accepted Arab shabas I can tell him to do it. So I'm shabas where at any moment I can make so it's certainly potentially mut for me. I can ask him go and do work for me. What's that? Go ahead >> bar. >> We're not talking about a mention. talking about. We're talking about we're talking about says the lavush. I think just the opposite. I think just the opposite. Let's take a look at letter Zion. Sh page 12. person. This is the quote from the you're allowed to ask your friend to do the that's what it says in the even though he was and he asked himself Listen to this. Listen to the new. He only answered upon himself his he never was upon himself's. This seems to be a whole different reason of why it's Let's summarize for a minute. We've talked about the fact I'm allowed to go ahead and ask somebody to go ahead and watch the Paris for me. Why? We've seen three Svarus. one is because I'm not asking him to do something that's user for him to do. He's allowed to do it. So I'm not I'm not in the wrong. That's what the rash and said you're not asking something which is user for him. And because of that if it's shabas I want him to do I'm also not asking to do something that's for him. That's what the rash and said the ran says that's not the reason why it's mut. The reason I'm because you could do it cuz maybe someone will build a bergen in the garra was mad to you to ask your friend to go and watch it because potentially it's not out of bounds for you cuz you could go and do it but it's not but you can't once you've accepted chabas go ahead and now do these cuz it's also for you. So therefore the ran while and the rashbah says we focus on the fellow that you're asking and if it's okay for him it's okay to ask him in any scenario. However the ra says that's not the reason it's cuz it's okay for you and if it's not okay for you you can't ask him. Those were our two says I have a different sor you know why it's okay for you because when you accepted chabas you accepted chabas but you understood he didn't. So you never accepted shabas in a way that he can't do malas for you. The of the shabas was I wasab on myself shabas knowing that other people are still for them. It's not shabas. So my cabas shabas does not include their malas. I was so the lavush is giving us a sh a sh means to say that you can temper your own kabas. He's not saying because you're asking him to do something that's mut for him. He's saying you never were shabas in such a way that should answer you limited or you pulled your punches on shabas. What a fascinating. Let's read it inside one more time. Even though he's even though All he accepted. That's a fascinating thought that you can limit your acceptance of Shabas regarding yourself but not regarding others. You were never answered. That's what he says. And therefore the Ramos said that other people on Mati Shabas can also ask his friend to do it. He made Abdullah right your friend made Abdullah. You didn't. You know what I think says? I disagree. I think Shabas is worse. I think you can't read what he says and letter by the letter test. Coming into Shabas is not like going out of Shabas. Shabas in going into Shabas. It's how much Shabas he accepted upon himself says I could say this I accepted that I didn't accept. I can temper my acceptance but once shabas is shabas actually for the And now that is already at nighttime meaning intimate and all the go with him. This is not since he still or a Jew would cook. bench. He has to stop making it chabas. say I emphatically disagree says the lavush I even though the Ramos said because I'm asking do something that is mut for him and potentially mut for me that was what the raos said so he said he says the lumbus of the of why it's mut on air of shabas says is because you haven't yet been shabas. That's a sh sort of holding back in your cababola shabas. But that only works going into shabas. Once shabas becomes shabas, then it's shabas until you break it. Until you don't break it, then nobody can do anything for you. And I disagree with that and I think that after chabas is worse. Having said that, once again, we have three different opinions as to why when the Garan Shabasn said that you're allowed to ask your friend to watch the Paris, it's Mut. Why? Because do you say he's doing something which is you're asking to do something which is mut for him. So anytime it's mut for him, you can ask him if that's the reason. So shabas Arab shabas it's mut for him my is not user tyrash would hold shabas of shabas shabas of course it's mut if it's because of the cause cuz it's not bad for it's not user for me like the ran said that was only by the shab is where I could potentially get there because a go can build something for me but if I can't do it I can't ask you to do it and now the way The lavush is learning because I didn't accept upon myself that is but if for example I did accept upon it and it shabs I can't ask him to do something for me. Now let's talk about opening bottles. Do you want to say something first? >> We don't see that the bush bases on the papers. That's all. We don't see he bases his reasoning on the papers. Right. >> Um all stamped from the comes from the rajb. He's basing on the rajbah who learned in tis that it's mut. Why? Because you're accepting upon yourself something. He's saying what's the of tis. What's the because you're accepting upon he's doing something which you really accept himself upon it. Yeah. But doesn't go back to the pair. It's a good point. What about opening bottles? If I hold its user to open bottles, but he holds its mut to open bottles. Can I ask him to open bottles? According to the rat where he said if you can't do it, you can't ask somebody else to do it. So it certainly beer. You wouldn't be able to do that. According to Tis, if he can do it, I'm not asking him to do something that he can't do. Then I should be able to go and ask him to do it because I'm not asking him to do something that he can't do. comes along and says, "Let's understand why you're asering. Do you hold it's an isa or do you hold that it is just take a look at zman he is on page page 17 he's going on the shila of man bas of the the who asked the Ashkenazi to put food on the plate. So, I will tell you, we're running out a little bit of time over here. I will tell you the writes on page 15. He writes, "Anardi cannot ask an Ashkanazi to do something that he himself can't do. If he does it on his own, you don't have to stop him from doing it. I can't ask him. If I'm not asking him, but he did it, so my would be. But if he did it, he didn't do an Iser for himself. And therefore, I don't have to stop it. Look at what he says. Now, let's go to if it cool down a little bit. That's what it says in the Put it back. According to the base according to the B you can't I it's an old me a person who doesn't smokey can offer a cigarette to somebody who does smoke on Yamiff cuz for him It's mutas and even though smoking is terrible and it kills you but the question is is it considered something which is um but that that um what's the lion again? If it's um it's considered something that not but something that everybody does it that's something which is I forgot the unfortunate I forgot the lotion right now but so you want to be [Applause] [Music] If the person was that it's you can't give it to him because if you hold that it's then you're he is being and there's a that's if you hold it's [Music] rack. If it's only the person, your friend doesn't have to be like you. A person who's the other person is not. So therefore, he doesn't have to put his on Miy has an af. It's a great af. There's some people who are Mahm and don't use the AI. They just don't carry. Not because the Av is not good. The AI is great. They just don't like the car. It's a they accept it. Can they ask someone else to carry something for them? Why not? You don't your is your It's not Yen's. So what's with the bottle? So according to the people who hold that it's user if you take a look on page number 19 according to the people hold that it's user right then they hold plastic is when you open it up it separates the plastic if your is not to open up a plastic bottle. You cannot ask. You can't ask him to do it because if for you and one of the reasons if it's you user because you're making a cleave for you and you're asking to do something which isn't just your minig but it's an isser. Now if he anyway opens up a b if he would open it up for himself not because you asked him but he opened it up because he held its mut then you didn't ask him right that's no different than the who didn't ask the Ashkanazi to put the food on but the Ashkanazi did it on his own he's not doing an iss for himself because he pascins like the that it's mut. So for him an iser wasn't done and you didn't ask him to do an isser the b the maran uh re y said then you can go ahead and use it. So so to over here if he opens it for himself you want to drink afterwards that's fine but the was and is you can't ask him to do it for you. If you hold that it's an isa okay then you can't have enough of what he did right but >> for him it's not an is >> if there's an isa you can keep these you can't eat it >> if a Jew cooks for himself but trumps you can't eat it right >> right if he thinks so why does any different you hold because he made a mistake in y of panim Just because he thinks so he's wrong. That's all we're asking. Isn't that mean you're wrong? >> No. No. Is the Is the Ashkanazi wrong? Even though the says you're not allowed to do it. >> That's that's a good >> I guess you can't say can never eat assh because he's not doing shabas whatsoever. Whatever you hold doesn't mean we have but he does it for