Avodah Zorah 46

Today's and we are eight lines from the top of today's being learned as today's also being learned. So yesterday 7 and 1/2 years ago we learned the Mishna on which discussed the says that although is but at the same time if or would worship mountains or hills the is they would not become it's learned out from a in the Tyra. The Tyra says the callates. So the terra singles out that you have to get rid of all the why simply because it's which that's on top of the theor that's on the and we learn from there that's on the on the you have to get rid of but let's say themselves would be the so then is you would not have to get rid of it. What we saw also was that there was a big dispute amongst the Tanoim with regards to a tree. Is a tree like or is a tree not like Haruk? Now on the one hand you could see why a tree and are very much they're both part of the beautiful world that created. They're both right stating that there is a little bit of a difference. The difference is that the tree comes about through trees don't just grow on their own. Somebody has to be and that's how a tree comes into existence as opposed to the voice right. So you could argue on the one hand that trees should be very similar to voice and if that even with even when they were worshiped as still they're not so too trees should be the same maybe being that trees have so could be there it's going to be different. Now the truth is like this as it relates to a tree that was planted that we saw in the for sure is going to be and the reason we know for sure that that's going to be is because that's a where is that ara it's what's known as a right that's what a is an aer is a tree that was never and we know that it's so there's no question in the world that there is a tree that's not like our voice and that tree at the very least we'd be discussing where it was planted. What was where the tree was not planted? It was not and then afterwards went and they worshiped it. The question is would we say that too it's included in the of and we would say that it's the says you have to say because over here it's maybe no maybe although the was that's only where it was if however it was not so over that we treat it like and is going to be that it will not be considered again what is This is the point we need to zero in as the segue to today's a tree that was is it going to be or is it going to be and to be clear and this is something we saw in the previous not allow worship such a tree and if somebody does he's just like if somebody worships any in the world the shil that we're discussing is do you have the mitzvah of the question is do you have the isur component That's part and parcel of the that we're learning right now. there were under that held that in the event that it was not of so in that instance we're going to treat it like and if it's like it's not going to be there were others that held no once you see is a tree and it's must be because there is a and that makes it different than regular haram advice well if that's the case in a situation where it was planted It's going to be that way in all cases as well. Either way, on that note, it's up to there was a Bryer that presented to I'm sorry, there was a Tana that presented a Bryce to the Bryce didn't present the T. The T presented the Bryer. This is the price for that are the voice but if they have and themselves are going to be we know this right the voice that's the because don't become it's but the voice itself is not because is this one of the mus is and whenever he's one of and which is really but we're going now that it's and either way it's for that reason that the are going to be water but themselves are going to be let's say trees, but it's things that grow. So, they're going to be and are going to be but either way that if someone is and are going to become now we said are like trees. So, you have here that says that trees are going to be awesome. It says to go that when the Tana told this to so told the Tanai who do you think is the Tana of the Baudi probably who we saw in yesterday's he's the man that holds that is going to be and being that an Elon that was and after is Because we don't treat trees the way we treat hormic voice. It's for that reason this and the rockets are going to be awesome. So again the Tana presented this price to Rashes says you know who the T of this price is. It's it's one of the two sheet of yesterday's who holds that a tree is different than whereas a tree is going to be a very obvious cash in light of the introduction to the and that is not to say that the price is going according to the mandar that holds that is and have to make an that this price is getting involved in that big of yesterday's we can be the where the was planted and if you plant that's the and everybody's going to hold it's awesome so why has feel compelled to make this why you getting involved in just say it's talking about where the was not it's everybody else in other words let it be going even going to the reason couldn't say that is because held that the two parts of the are probably similar to each other. Right? The racial the said the was that right the was made right he didn't make it must be this in the were also not planted it's oh must be that if it's not it's going to be like those of yesterday's What would be if there were stones of a mountain that got chipped off the mountain? So there was a mountain and now all of a sudden you have these stones that have been carved out. What's the are they going to be or so? Two things. First of all, obviously we're talking about what somebody worships these stones now, right? Otherwise, why would they be us? Number two, Rashi says it's talking about where they were necro. So they were uprooted on their own. So it wasn't chiseled out by some sculpture but rather this is something that happened on its own. So what's says it was between said that it's going to be now at first glance just thinking about it high level here it's a mountain right but then again it's not part of the mountain anymore. So a mountain we know doesn't become when it's neah. The question is what about these of the mountain that were chiseled out but it happened by themselves. Do we view it like the mountain and it's going to be or not? Says it's false. Okay. Says that it's held that it's like the mountain, right? Why is the mountain? The mountain's motor is because it was created by and there's no, right? There's no human intervention with the mountain. It just happened. So too, these stones also have no by the way. Even when they were uprooted, they were uprooted without someone actually doing it. It happened by itself. It was necrome. So says, "One second, you're learning it from you're going to tell me at the end of the day, the mountain is right. It's not a mountain. The mountain is there's a fundamental difference between this and the mountain." But the says the You can prove it from what's says that just like is that a mountain that's doesn't become also is that a that's does not become now what's the that's doesn't become says it's learned out from because the learns out right at the beginning of and we learn from there that never is to be bought as a carp it's If you're going to tell me that is so why do I need a to tell me that it's also why do I need a to tell me that it can't be brought as a carbon to the extent that it's can't be brought as a carbon and the reason is because we know there's a that the only time you're allowed to put something on them because if you would be allowed to eat it if something's for a to eat something like that you wouldn't be able to put on the so the fact that there's a special that tells me that a that's can't be put on the misbeh because if it's included in that I wouldn't need a special reo but the bottom line is so what do you see from there then that a like also are not subject to the laws of which means that something that's woripped is in other words let's do this again One said also one said right even though they're chiseled out but it happened on its own. So there's no it's also going to be what does it mean also doesn't have like we just said it's only but it's and it's not but the says you can't tell me that similar to that's a living organism it has a pulse right it's alive as opposed to a so of course it's not the same one second don't tell me that the only Why maybe something is not if it's I know I understand but yeah so the goes in circles which two things what does and have in common that there's no human intervention and they're both going to Anything that has no such as it's going to be see you can't learn it straight up from why not even though it's so similar to step on can't learn straight up from the but I could learn it I know that is not a from I know is not a from is what what's right this is the punch line so too has that has something in common and that is they both were not altered from the way they were created. The mountain didn't change from the way it was created and the behem was created as opposed to the which started off being part of a mountain and now it's independent. So I shouldn't be able to learn from the either. So the says no you could learn it from the with a So I'm not going to learn its trade from and from but why is different because that was so again I can't learn its trait from because says oh there's another option you could learn from from that's and from a dried out tree. So from the dried out tree again which was that would knock out the bottom line is or the and therefore what you would be left with is the is between the started 10 or so lines. What's the bottom line? The bottom line is let's learn that from between and be or if you want to a little bit better and be or from a and y by the way if you can learn from y speaks that is really totally in yesterday's d it's only the introduction to the da do we even treat an elim like a har do we not treat it like a but either way this is the mccur to the mandama that says mutar we said there was one mandama that said What's in that it says in theory and from there we learned that even if there's maybe an to be m don't be m instead it should be rashi says that this is not a this is not a this is actually the learning of the learn. And what we're saying is fascinating idea that when the says essentially what the is saying is that when it comes to the laws of unless the shaken make it and treat it like it's discussing. So essentially the Tory is actually telling me that if there's any to meaning it's not in the that is you should go ahead and that's that says so again it's not so much that he's with the there is a but if it's not in the mat is not in the right what's in the if it's maybe right sometimes some of the could be considered considered but usually not for sure not and this is teaching me where it's not you should go ahead and you should be okay we said this is regarding between it was right one Omar said one Omar said so who said what so we know you always speak this out that when the garra doesn't know sometimes we're proofing our knew if you could even say that but either way here the Gamar does know or at least attempts to maybe know the Gamar this time I'll bring you a that it was that said which would mean that it was that said how do I know that said so is not going to have that said but the is going to have a and from that it's actually going to feel a little and the from is going to want to try to back in to the fact that is the one that said What's this had the following now one second we're going to try to prove something about the bringing from so this is told 101 says that the had names and one of his name was Yehuda and the other one was so this of is one of the either way this is so if somebody took an egg and he put the egg. He lifted it up. He put it very nicely and he wants to be so meaning like this was a little vague in terms of the so we have to guess a little bit. We have to start surmising. seems reasonable to assume that the case was where this person was and bowed down to it. This guy took an egg, he picked it up, he bowed down and im did the whole nine yards. So what was when he lifted up this is that considered some human intervention where he created this. So then now when he bows down to it should be a flaw but let's say he would not have lifted it would not have been right the whole is where he lifted it up what if he didn't lift it up it sounds like for sure it's not going to be an issue and who is the one that's presupposing this in his who's one of not both but he's one of the now we need a help from Rashi over here Rashi says that this egg is the equivalent thereof to the right we're discussing. We're trying to figure out who said and we're going to bring a from regarding an egg and right it's not the same. So why are we even comparing them? Rashi says fire. I'll tell you what the church tell us. A mountain doesn't become we have a why do we have a because it was from the but then again it's not the real thing. It was only oh the to the issa from the from the balk. So it's part of it but then again it was that it's not the same thing. So the Gmorra holds that this is really the equivalent of and if you see that the only that have that this should become when you bow down to it is if you bow down if you were but if you were not then there's not going to be an issue. So it has to be because we look at it as being a but it was necus it's like you see that is going to be say that from the fact that or at least only has it that should be in the event that he was but without means without he looks at it as being the looks as being if that's the case should be treated you'd like to as well. And if that's the case, I'll tell you were the ones that said and in the event that this person would have bowed down to the egg even if he wouldn't have lifted it would have been awesome. Why? Because was really awesome. What's the case? The case is where you didn't bow down to it. Right? Remember it was a said was or sorry was he didn't say anything about it happening in fact didn't even sound like he bowed down to it but the case is talking about where he actually didn't bow down to it and that's the one that's the case meaning the was and you want to know now does the ba becomes does it not become again this is already a little bit of different sh because nobody bows down to it our whole is where somebody bows down here you picked It was like right it sounds like that's according to the this is coming up later in the that if someone prepares to bow down to it right even if he doesn't well in this case then should be a problem and according to the that says that no you don't become a unless you actually didn't bow down to it again. What's the sh over here? I don't understand what the sh is. The case is talking about where he lifted this egg to bow down to it and he didn't bow down to it. And we're going to that holds that bowing that just preparing to bow down to it in and of itself does not make it awesome. Okay. Okay. So what's the sh you the went and he was that in of itself is nothing because he himself didn't bow down to it. But as he lifted the egg all said wow I there's an egg I could go bow down to it. He goes running over and he decided that he now went wants to bow down. Okay, why would that change anything? And it's really based on somebody who erected a brick to bow down to and a guy goes and he bows down to it. It's going to be awesome. Now, this is really the reason it's because ordinarily you can't go and make someone else's thing. But being that theid over here already established it as something that he was going to bow down to. So you say you want this to bear. So if somebody goes ahead and he bows down to it, it's considered a des. So this is the fact this was maybe even though the name of that's only by le that's true by a brick the mink because when you lift the brick it's nicker it's nicker that there's some going on over here right you stop building a geta with a statue right so it looks like looks like you're I you're making breakfast so it doesn't look like necessarily doing anything. So even though you did and the guy knew you doing but being that it's not it's not maybe that's a to say that it should be maybe not what's the difference between and we don't even know the answer to that question but the bottom line is we thought that maybe we have a from this that this is a that harsh that would be predicated on the case be talking about we actually bow down to it he himself bowed down to it and the shil was do we say that it's user or is it not which would presuppose that had he not bowed down to it I'm sorry had he not lifted had he not been for sure would have been which is the equivalent to in which case you would have is that is going to be but says that's not what the case was it's a whole different case. The case is talking bow down to case talking about where he was and went ahead and he bowed down to it ordinarily but descend and the was maybe that's only true by maybe that's not going to be true by basis. Just to recap this last part of the daff. So again, what was this last part of the dish? It was a between and really if you break it down right style. So if you break it down, what you're going to have is the addressed this from three angles. Number one. Number two. And number three, the Gar tried figuring out who's the one that said, who's the one that saidurus. This is the shortest version of the as relates to night time is learned from between or more specifically or as it relates to my time you could have from today till tomorrow. The says who and says is that unless it says in the it's not says in you always have to say it's awesome as it relates to who said what admired a fleeting that it was whose one that said based on that is very cryptic was talking about where he actually bowed down to it which would imply that if he wasn't and he bowed down to shore it would have been but the said after further review he was of in fact the case is talking about where he was of what was the shil for extra credit you want to know what the shil was the shil was where he was and then went and he bowed down to it was not what should be the said, "By the way, if you're really curious to know, we had the following question. If somebody bows down to a mountain, are you allowed to use these stones for the or are you not allowed to use this stones for the MSB?" What's the Shiloh? very is there as it relates to or not. So again really to appreciate this sh of two things that we already know very very much from yesterday's d and from the first today's number one does not become when it's number two a also doesn't become when it's however the says and we learn from there that a neat cannot be brought as a cart So we have this commonality here between the and the both are excluded from the traditional parish of which says that if you worship it it's going to be they both don't have like the said but the point is they both have this yet when it comes to we have a in the says that even though it's but it's us you can't put a ne on the so the is What about as it relates to so if you have that were you could use right now for regular commercial use the answer is yes but the question is let's say the answer is yeah this is a problem is Is it only a problem if you're physically going to put it on the misbeh? So if you want to use it to literally end up on the misbeh I don't know to make a knife for the would it be a problem there too or not? So really it's like a double sh the first sh is is there when it comes to there is is it only true if it's physically going to involve being on the what if it's only said I'll bring you what's the which is it's and how do I know it's and the doesn't seem to discriminate which is certainly should be ra I'm going to be using the first of the And the is going to be from the par of what's the par ofan the par ofan is it says in the soan is a gift that somebody gives to in exchange for the says something like that is and no way to take this let's say it was a and put it on the now if somebody wants to have from and he's allowed to. It's just that's going to be a problem, right? Cool. It's it's and when we say it's it doesn't matter if it's doesn't matter if it's nobody cares what the is. There's no to have from that gift. It's a disgusting thing. The Torah calls it a but at the same time if you want to have from it, this is something that where is this a problem? It's a problem when it comes to the Now when it comes to the doesn't discriminate between if it's right it says and it's in other words you find in regarding yet at the same time you find a inn regarding so it says If that's the case, we're when it comes to islan because a regular that's a is also known as a regular is going to be no one's from it. So certainly has to be also said I hold says that is a problem because if it's a problem by right this is the short version of it. If it's a problem by it has to be a problem by if an issue then for sure has to be a problem. What's the for sure? It's based on the fact that is the and is the right that's what is one's true for the for the where do you see the is you see it by so again if is a problem by it also has to be a problem when it comes to again what's the is based on yet it's a problem when comes to says the after is a little tricky. I don't know necessarily if I'm asking to you know why cuz I can flip the whole you know what I'm going to say I'm going to say which for sure is now is it really right this is the but you have no yeah or no I could take on that side yeah we'll explain in a second so which for sure is could be his motive And what would be the right you're making up that maybe there should be but if you look in the in the it doesn't say that now if this were the case then you know what should emerge is that which we already said is more than is where do you see it's more then certainly it should motor of Yeshua told you're making a big You know what you're making is that is what are you basing it on? You're basing on the fact that it says and you're telling me I don't know. Well, if that's the case, you know what I could say? I could say that for sure there's no you know I know that says and I'll say I don't think there's any more that is a problem than there is that is not a problem I don't see any indication just Like when it comes to you're telling me okay I can tell you made you know what your was your was that is a problem of and based on that you backed into because you know is only says it's when it comes to when it comes to and now you're telling me the is always a problem. So if is from the fact that is yet it has a that is a problem. So when it comes to which has a when it comes to you should have the when it comes to but it's again it's all based on that you're making and your is that by is going to be a problem and what's that based on because it says and it doesn't differentiate it says just it's even if it's so again you hold that it's then that is a problem by and based on that you're saying oh I'm going to along now with the should be a problem by as well as far as I'm concerned said of I could flip the whole story that's his I can flip the whole story I could tell you that it's that is not a problem because when it says it's which would then mean in your reasoning that it's that is not a problem and if that's the case using the same that you use I would say that can't be a problem when it comes to either Because when it comes to which is more there's no problem. So certainly which is more cooling. Where do you see it's more cooling by there can't be a problem. So says that you made an assumption and based on your assumption you brought this. I can make an opposite assumption. You work with the same and end up with a mas that's could be 180 degrees opposite. This is a little bit tricky in signal. Just explain this better. Everyone's agreeing of Yeshua are in agreement that there's a relationship between and so whatever is by it's going to have to be at least that when it comes to because that's not up for debate. Where do I see that? Polish. There's no mus of tal when it comes to Islam. There is a mus of tal when it comes to. So without a doubt there's no question in the world that the of have to be more than they have to be by in some way shape or form based on this of now what we're zeroing in on what is as it relates to saying that the way I'm approaching it is I'm going to make is a problem when it comes to is it no but it says and if it's going to be true there it has to be true if I never say you're saying good but I'll say just the opposite and just as good as you I'm going to make that there's no when it comes to because it says and I'll say and if that's the case based on I'm going to say there's no when it comes to neither well why is your any better than my now you're right I'm in agreement with you that there has to be a relationship so if it's going to be it's going going to have to beer when it comes to and if it's going to be it's going to have to be but you're starting off with that it's based on and therefore it's I'm going to go [ __ ] I'm going to make assumption that it's based on and I'm going to have that it has to be as so again two words now by the way just to says maybe you're going to tell me that you now I know that is a problem not based on the not based on but maybe because it says it says maybe those words are extra and the truth is they are extra the is going to bring in a second debated what you're supposed to learn from there now why would they even be extra because the terrorist says afterwards so we know we're talking about a carbon why does it say B carbon You bring in so the words are extra and what would we do with the extra words even a bias even that is a problem says that's already been addressed taken because it's coming to be mar at if you want to take this S9 and you want to plate the walls of the BT says so this is something that you would not be allowed to do but the bottom line is it can't be learned that from the extra this of Yeshua's response to soar says when he told him act like this told you're 100% You can con it this way. You can con it that way. You can con the in a way where there's going to be a problem of and by or you can where are going to be by but if you have two choices you can go you can go which one do you go you go. So being that you can go you have to go. So that was Ra's response. Ra's comeback was I agree with you. Trust me, I thought this through. But at the same time, I'm going and you're going to by me saying you're going to end up with by you saying you're going to end up with every single time you have that is that you always go. I'll give you a case. So what's the case over here? The case was there was somebody that was and this person needed to become through and so when does take place the seventh day fell out on we know you brought the carbon P. The problem is this guy right now is Tommy Tomas M. If you tell me to and comes time to bring the carbon p you get pushed off a month, right? You have to bring the pes but he has a way of becoming tired. How do you have a way of being tired doing the problem that you're not let do on that's the problem? You're not allowed to do it on chabas. So the question is do you do on shabas which is an allow this to go ahead now bring the pes or not say is it true that every single time you can go you go you don't go what about says the is to do the you're obligated to do and then bring the carbon pes for says no we're make can't do it got pushed off a month and meaning from being the carbon pes and in his he asked with and he asked which is a direct no as far as go right this is literally from sea to shining sea in terms of the types of sugis that we're discussing but this underlying principle is literally one and the same what's the background to this rabbi rabbi yaka responded to rabzer and He told him now we're picking this up mid-con conversation right so this is where tells Raba tells Raba I'll prove to you you could do on Shabas when your Dissita's response was you ready if Maybe you can't do a and you're right. I agree the has to be consistent. It can't be you could do can't do that makes absolutely positively zero sense. But the outcome should be just the opposite that you can't do the and if that's the case then certainly you shouldn't be able to do one second what's going on over here. There's two ways you can work this. You could say that or you could say which is the is to say which is the mean. So told is that true? every time you can in the you always can and that's why you went with that is an not like wanted to do it which was the exact opposite. Oh, what do you mean you have to go? What about said these words said Yeshua? He said, right? That was the two-word that Yeshua had, right? Two words. He said the same exact two words says to don't bring me a riot from there. You know why? Because when said his over there, he didn't mean it. Sometimes you say things you don't even mean it. Even in even in the context of learning, even when he's talking to his because really what happened over there was what happened was really was the one who had taught he taught him that was really was trying to get his rebi to remember what he taught him and he was trying to come up with an and he thought by telling him this rebel would say this is not befitting of you to ask such a this is a very funny question, right? You want something's going on over here and you're going to stop being and you're going to think about it and then you're going to go ah and you're going to remember it's all going to come back to you. But the bottom line is he didn't really mean it as an because whenever it comes to such a if you can go or you can go which way do you go you always go and says by the way if you go back to you learn this again so you'll appreciate the rest of the story a little bit better. What did Raa tell Rebel. So this was also in response to something else because was very not happy with and he told him remember these words just befitting for the nine days. He says you you're asking me from you're going to see you're going to end up and and he told him back he said don't talk to me about like this I wasab from you and it's not so that I heard it from you but that's the point you see that heard it from he was just trying to get him to remember this was like some roundabout way to get tell him a funny and everything is going to somehow fall into place it didn't initially work out so well that way. But the bottom line is this is the rest of the story. We're going to stop here. But yeah, what's the of the last part of the of the last part of the was so we know there's no the question is what about is different? What would be the precedent that should be different because like that is about also there's no but the you're not allowed to put it on. So maybe is going to be the same way. Yeah. What about if it's carbon to carbon? So the was said I know from it's for sure a problem from where from was have to do with so they both have this idea of maybe being and being something that's somewhat disgraced. There's a relationship between the two. Where is the manifest? It's manifest in because because there's no when it comes to there is when it comes to the assumption of is that there is a problem of even though there's no problem of which has a problem there should be a problem of said you're making a few what was his right I can Go brother said yeah but I'd rather go then go don't you see for sometimes you go the answer is no we're picking we're stopping a little bit mids we're going to pick up tomorrow's d and we'll make a little bit of a better signal but as it relates to raid to go back to yesterday's daf actually it's already two days ago the meal which discuss philos So the Mishna brought a fascinating exchange between a hegm a Roman officer whose name was prlo Ben Philosphos and Rabbil. It took place in the bath house of Aphroditi. Aphroditi was one of the Roman avoid and prlo Benos sees Rab Gil bathing in the bath house. This was a public bath assass of Afroiti and he says, "Aren't you this big? You're this big rabbi. What are you doing here?" And the reason he didn't understand how he could be doing there is because in his mind the is somehow facilitating and if that's the case there's a problem and said no, right? I'm initially when I'm in but then they left me and he started hacking with him and learning. He gave him a whole bunch of different reasons why he held that this was okay said right it could be wasn't so what he told him because maybe there was an element of what exactly means but this was all that we spoke about on that to speak out one and this is really a also it's going to tie in a few things that we spoke about earlier in the that is the says now let it teach it says we say it every day is not to teach to because it says notify him of the laws of the and it's for that Why did that not let we know the says that learns is not learn if a guy then would learn to he would be violating an if that's the case Aid should not be able to teach to because by teaching to you're causing him to learn. You're causing him to do something that he's not allowed to do. And we know it says in the so I don't understand what do you need to teach me that you're not allowed to teach to a guy himself not allowed to learn. Why not? And if that's the case, by you teaching him, you're being now, is there an um Yeah. That's the whole beginning of we know that in the according to one side, it's based on Right? because it says so we know there's when it comes to a guy do I need a separate you have to say it's an easy answer it's talking about where if you weren't going to teach to this there was someone else that was going to teach him and we know the only time this is when betray where if not for you this person would have no ability to do the but if this person could do the even without you over there there's no evil that's the special it's neg you're not so now there's no there's newer of the says that maybe he can say another ter when it brings the that is not allowed to learn fact if he learns says how do I know that it's learned out because it says in the was given to us. It wasn't given to the but the brings is what exactly the is one says it's ours and as a result if a go is going to go ahead and he's going to learn he's stealing something that's oursel is one of the and for that reason this is going to be a problem but there's another mand the other mandar says that the reason it's a problem is not because of but rather alikra It's like a learns. It's not that one of the it's that one of the says there would be between whether or not the reason is not let go is it or is it you know what is if aid wants to teach if it's then it's gaz is when you take something from somebody but if I'm willing to give it to you then it's not going to be but if it's so who cares if I want you to I don't want you to you have and based on that it's going to be awesome in this he holds like the why is a not allowed to learn Tyra. He's not allowed to learn Tyra because of if it's out. So it would be for a guy to learn Tyra. But if a teaches him, there's no So if the guy is not doing then certainly there's no one's doing anything wrong that even though of a guy learning this is not a problem. Why not? Because the is but based on the guy it's not going to be said to go like that is that could be it could be it's a little bit this way and the reason is because you find with they talked and learning with they talked and learning with and he says if you want a good example of this take a look at and gives him a he ages he goes and he starts harbing with him and learning and declaring he gave him and if that's the case I understand what's going on I thought you're not allowed to talk and learning. He's not allowed to learn and if he's not let you shouldn't be able to teach him. And what happened to say you have to say that that is going to that holds that what's the learning is and being that you're teaching it to him. So for that reason it's not going to be G. I think what about because it says that's still gonna be a says I want to say he says that it could be that is only a problem if you go and you volunteer the information to the but if he asks you a question that that maybe is something that's okay but the shagaray says that if you're going to tell me that the [ __ ] was not let alone also meets his owner then there should be no if he asks you he doesn't ask you he's not let alone he can't take in the words of the and if he can't take in the words of the you're going to go ahead and you're going to teach it to him you're going to be the according to one there is no problem all there is is a for that is I here between if he asks you or if he doesn't ask you in the case of the heman he asked him I mean that he asked him in that case it's going to be different either way if you want to look it up inside it's in the there's a lot more there actually very relevant I just want to maybe be One as it relates to again said why do you have to come on typically a guy and if that's the case then if you teach it to me we know this is when it comes to said it's talking about where it was not said that going according to Omar that holds that it's if you teach it to him there's no if that's the case you would have to come up to a new but maybe we can go with a third mahal and this is based on that we spoke about a week or two ago time flies when we spoke about the regarding whether or not is muzzer onto so we know It can't even be it says and from we learn which is because they weren't denying they were being they were being and the big sha that seemingly maybe Uli addressed in different voices and all the talked about and that is and this is something we already did a few raid bites on that's not what we need from here but we did a raid bite where we spoke specifically about the of the as it relates to whether or not he seems to like the the right most who hold that really is but we spoke out for who was that in the world of for sure seemed to have been that really is not he took and literally right we're talking fast here but we've gone through this already several times one of the that he brought that we went through very very much by was the who was working with two Rams in one is the other one is so we went through it already but just the Ram says that a learns he's only allowed to learn the keepab is the brings two says the rabbow to go ahead and decide that I want to keep mitzvah. Oh, he has two choices. or keep your seven mitzvah don't do anymore. Right? In fact, IF HE LEARNS, HE GETS PUNISHED. Even though the says that a guy that learns or keeps shab very bad thing in fact he has two choices says. So we said this is talking is when you learn the not it's specifically those two things don't keep but the ra took these two and he made a whole out of it what seemingly was a turned into a do seven that it's not just but really wants to doz I think you know what we're doing with that we give Right. We have a so we might as well say a learner that keeps it's a cloud either or do what you're supposed to do. Don't be and don't be in the next wants to do a mitzvah. You can't read these two. You can't read right this is a we mention asked other cases on these and then said that he asked different people right you don't see this every day he asked different people and what was his being he's carving out a path this way he's carving out a path that way but no one told me no one said anything because I didn't hear one had to Now the truth is if you take a look at the adv we didn't speak this out last time you look at the ad who's the on right here on the side of the he says right away I think the eight is that the first is talking about where the person wants to be the next is talking about that's the one like you're doing it like are you doing it that's a But didn't like that either when said I'm not hearing said he said or some of the he's talking about that's talking about a guy someone that's wants to do mitzvah YOU GIVE HIM A YOU DON'T let him do a mitzvah no in the world. Why not? Cuz when he does his mitzvah, who's he going to have in mind? He's going to have in mind his and if he's going to have a mind, so it's a problem. I What are you going to tell me? You're going to say it's not true. He doesn't only have a mind. He also has a mind. Why else is he doing the mitzvah? He wants to serve God and he wants to serve his right. And oh that he wants to do this. Let him do it. It's true, but it's the is that he's allowed to do. But anything else that is already OFF LIMITS. SO IF he wants to go out, he wants to do mitzvah as an as we're not going to let him. And doesn't say, he changed one word. He said, you know what is comes from right? It comes from and if you go ahead and you do what did you're doing is supposed to do you're not being you're not being so for you already then he said that it's even then he said an unbelievable you have to be to say this kind of rate that what's right that's the last of the wait you have to do it anyway it had to to do. What's the answer? That's the always says that has to be but says I hold that whenever he's not only not to be he has to be not to be that means the guy of is already a who's not even being over. If you're not being oh if you want to go ahead and do mitzvah you have every right in the world to do mitzvah of a fellow right but it comes out an unbelievable thing and this I don't think we spoke out last time we didn't make a big deal about it maybe fleetingly and that is what emerges from the is that if a maybe we did wants to learn and keep chabas we know the garra says no way right absolutely But why? Because the Rams is not only true for Shabas and all of that says which is learning up in the means that means is allowed to do more mitzvah included in the more mitzvah that the is allowed to do is he's allowed to keep Shabas and he's allowed to learn Tyra. If you think about it, it's an unbelievable thing. The Gomorrah says that a guy is not let go is not let but the way the seems to be laying it out is if he does or the way understood it because he's now said if he wants to we could right it sounds at first glance like like an unbelievable right it sounds like an unbelievable in his one of the footnotes Ben footnotes he says that the precious has a famous that we know that we should even talk about if that kept the dinner they probably had dinner. question is what about so one of the great issu how do you know we kept chabas right so we know that the kept chabas how would they keep shabas when is it going to keep shabas is not allowed to keep shabas if you're keepabling They were no question in the world. Even if they're not. So if that's the case, there'd be no problem with them keeping Shabas. The problem is there's one issue with this that self addresses and this is in a different place. Until now we're talking this is this is going to bring us down memory lane now because we're going to speak out something very quickly that we spoke about. We made a huge deal about this and that is as follows himself says I have a big problem with this. You know why? says after it says that keep the case why is not one can't keep it should be one of the says what kind of is that is never allowed to do it is allowed to keep shabas so it's can't be one of cash has no say I don't know the real says ready for this he says like this where the garra says if somebody makes a nether I'm not going to have from say shabas I will not have from people that keep shabas so theor says like this not have from a he can't even have from a ki says theor from a go you'll let have I'm not going to have ano from someone that keeps shabas you didn't say anything about a I'm not going to have an from somebody that keeps shabas from a from a but you want to have from a [ __ ] you'll let have even if the [ __ ] keeps shabas let's say this [ __ ] keeps shabas is you want to have from him you can have a you made you're not going to have from shabas and this guy is one of the shabas so the gor says like this when a person says I'm not going to have from shabas you know what he means he means people people that are people that have an obligation to keep chabas and they keep chabas says is an he's not obligated to keep even if he keeps it he's not meaning as opposed to even the ones that do it they're keeping shabas but they're not obligated they're not to keep shabas And because they're not included, not obligated to keep shabas, you're saying good, say better as they used to say in they're not just not obligated to keep shabas. They're not allowed to keep shabas. So said something he said up this and he saw in this that if a wants to keep shabas maybe he could maybe he could say and the said it should be one of the true that's what that said. That's not what this Gamorra said. This Gammorra says that you can't say unequivocally without a question that is never allowed to keep Shabas. And who's that guy? That's the that's the even as it relates to and that's why the was that say better say no because and even right even if you keep as opposed to who's so says the I know the with the ra and the ra also knew that the garam but the ra had another had a good he pulled out this and he one second over there it's mash that a guy it's the worst thing in the world it should even be from the mitzvah but over here it's only mash that just there's a guy that could keep who is that now says here's the punch line see if you remember this here's the punch line so said had two gar infus and he had a sounds like maybe he's only but if he wants to maybe he could so it's the steer between the said I'm pasking like not to like maybe like because if there's between and we like the fact says if there's He said anytime there's a steer between and another why I'm going to tell you why because is the last that ra and raashi worked on and there's a clin we always pass him with the bas with the Right. We always go with the last and the darum was last and that's why we pas like now when did we speak this out it's not a trick question which we mentioned it before in the dar right in the end we spoke out of and he said that we know there's an idea we talk about where you sometimes find there's like two it's like the same but there's some sort of like in today's right there's some sort of difference there's a nuance where the two garas come out a little bit differently and different talk about this. So he said like this he did like a little analysis. He found there's six between and he said all six places like and he said it was very big always like the and then he said he doesn't know how knew this and he said he looked around right and he asked around and no one had to and it must be it's because he had and he said we know the hades in his learning and he brings other that hadesh they ain't But not for now, right? But the bottom line is this is this is the rest of the story. This is where the end is meeting us here in it's absolutely unbelievable. It all comes together. Right? If you learn long enough, then everything ends up. But the bottom line is it's he was going in this is that even though we know is not let we know is not let but is allowed to when it comes to it's different maybe maybe you could Okay. Why do I need a new limo to tell me you can't teach to a guy? Simple math. A guy is not allowed to learn. If he learns if you teach him says it's talking about where it's not said maybe it's totally in the two reasons why is not learn that's allowed to learn. There is a guy that's learn just like said there's a guy that's the guy right not so he's allowed to learn as well if he's learn I'm not doing anything wrong by teaching him stating that could be this would be an to That would give him