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Today's isim
and we are about 10 lines from the top
of
the Mishna said
if somebody finds a kay finds a utensil
and it had on it pictures
or
is we have to assume that the
put those suras on his kali because he
worships those suras and perhaps he
actually worshiped this itself is
you have to throw it into the so the
Mishna mentioned which we translated
loosely yesterday as some serpentlike
creature way begins by describing the in
detail
what exactly is the dark
literally it has fins between its
vertebrae
explained it even a little bit more in
detail
between the vertebrae in its neck
even though there's no one in the that
argued with but
so to speak don't think that is not like
because he's a no even though he's the
only mentioning as having said this
stating that is
I was once following.
What does mean? So we know there's a
steer in Rashi throughout here. Rashi
says God and God was referred to as a a
sobbi was a term of it was used to
describe an there different places in
where Rashi says was shamed. It was the
name of a person from where says that
whereb comes on its own like
is a shame where it says
it can't be that is the name of a person
rather it must be a toy it must be an
adjective describing the person how do I
know that says the name because nobody
in sh had two names and if berebi would
be the name of a person that means I
would find a t then such as rabelazer
hakrabi so his name was Allahb can't be
nobody had two names either way says the
gimar soak said in the neighbor of that
was once following they're walking
together he's walking with the god
and found a ring the dark and it had on
it the dark
and suddenly he sees looking for a
and he sees a young non-Jewish child
walking but he says That's not the I'm
looking for
then he saw an older an adult and he
told him I want you please to be
even if it's on
he said please be
he wasn't such right so hit him in the
face and then he agreed and he was so
says
I learned three things
during that story I learned
I learned that a guy who has a
does not but a guy that has a
even somebody else's like we spoke a
little bit about yesterday and I learned
the second that only an adult
in other words
only someone that understands what is
could be but a
That's why he saw the child. He didn't
tell him anything. When he saw the
adult, he told the adult, I want you to
bear.
And I've learned another thing that
that a guy can be forced into being
because this guy didn't want to bear
smacked him in the face and then he was
willing to do it. So he did it
essentially and I learned from here a
third that
even asks
from wellknown.
So this is whereas meets
does not hold of the following.
If somebody finds an where was it? It
was in a lion's den by a beer.
If somebody finds something in a very
large area like
we know is if somebody finds an in place
where it's fair to assume that the owner
of the gave up hope on it is you can
keep it.
This is 101. So what's the cash? Why was
worried about taking this tabass because
of the because of he seemed to have
found it in a mitsy and being that it
was in a mucky it's fair to assume that
the owner of the tabas this go was if he
was then shouldn't that take the
status away from the so this is 101 if
somebody finds something in the
assumption is that the owner was mish.
So if the owner was then isn't it then
that it's not
said no you have to bifurcate between
the
it's true it's fair to assume that the
owner was from the he doesn't think he's
ever going to see it again so except
from standpoint anyone can take it made
the sac anyways m but the point is that
from anish perspective. You're right.
This is a classic case of
but he was never
because in his mind he thinks
if a guy finds it
is definitely going to have
and if a Jew find it, what's he going to
do? He's going to figure a way to make
money off it and he knows it's
expensive.
He's going to sell it to a
gonna bow down to it. The point is he
didn't think because he lost the tabas
was going anywhere. It's true. He was
from his
perhaps that he has in this but the is a
result felt that he needed to be. How
was he with this story and the gum said
not with three grace that you were able
to learn out from the story again. What
were the three? Number one, that could
be even another.
Number two, that only an adult could be
only a
but a minor
a child would be able to. And
additionally, someone can force a guy
into being doesn't have to come from a
deep place.
It could be and even if it's it would
constitute just one before we start the
next and that is that it's interesting
that when the describes the adult
so how does the describe him if he's
now ordinarily when you think of cotton
and godless so
what's a cotton if he's not baritzvah
what's a god if you baritzvah. What's
the definition of bar mitzvah? When a
boy turns 13 years old.
When a girl turns 12 years old is
Cyrus. But really the definition of
godlas has nothing to do with the
intellectual maturity of the child. But
it's a that when somebody turns a
certain age, that's when you become a
god. That's not what the Gomorrah says
when it described the and the as it
relates to the of the description of it
is much like
that's
and is someone that does understand
but I think the obvious
where says that the only time the only
time and godless is defined by 12 or 13
oh by Cyrus that's by yidden but when it
comes
They don't have that share based on the
said that the gimmel is one of the
so just like there's a
there's a when it comes to all there's a
rel
but it's from
and it's for that reason says it can't
be that godless and godless when it
comes to is going to be defined by age
because the age is a and the
so what then is the definition of a
godless when it comes to the definition
is going to be maturity and the truth is
each bench will have his own sh when
he's defined as a god it depends on when
exactly he himself is going to be mature
we've spoken a lot about this in the
past we've had a lot of follow-up rate a
lot of medishes as it relates to this
the fesh with our says that can't be
from a so with regards to the it could
be even a
that's already understands that he's
doing it could be already he would be
treated as a god he says in a in a very
difficult
again
either way exhale so the now is going to
turn its attention really to
something that it brought up
it's a really there's a lot of that
we're not going to be able to get into
just speak out some raid. And this right
here is verbatim word for word.
So we're going to learn almost two block
today. It's a here
and it's also a inash.
So really the background to this is a
parro
says
It's right. It sounds like it's in the
right.
It's not in it's actually right after.
So it's
so
do not make with me.
You have to see to understand in this
is actually telling me four different
number one. What does that mean?
You're not allowed to make the you can't
make of one of my
ones that are with me. Those people you
cannot make as we're going to see the
etc. and not allowed to make of the
that's then the says
what does that mean sounds like no
it's coming to teach me regarding the
mitzvah had on top of it they were made
of gold the says make sure they're gold
you can't make them
the kin was very very delicate it
because the krim at first glance looked
like surro it's not clear what it was
says thera the kuim are so sensitive
that if you make it the way it's
prescribed in the that's great that's
what you're supposed to do that's the
but if you're going to alter it even in
the slightest way instead of making it
from gold you're going to make it from
silver then it's going to be a
so what the saying is
out of how does the say
And then the says, what does that mean?
Even if you're going to make him of
gold, make sure you only make the two
that I told you to make. You can't make
more than two.
If you're going to make four,
it's also going to be like so you can
make him, but only two, not four. And
then finally, the ends.
Don't say
don't say that I'm going to make in my
so my local we're going to add to the
building. Now that's not something
you're allowed to do.
So
at first glance it sounds like a Pik
that's talking about but the truth is
already told me about that's the the
second commandment. So we know already
that that that there's an
earlier
we know that already this is a different
it's
guised with words that sound like it's
talking about but really what the is
saying is number one you shouldn't make
the
additionally certain is about the you
can't make them if you can't make more
than two and you certainly can't make
them about Either
way, on that note,
we learned a well-known.
So the context over there is
so once upon a time was
what did it mean alia? If somebody saw
the new moon, he had an obligation to go
to Bzin, notify Bzin, and Bzin would be
toen. That's the of as it relates to.
The problem is the average man on the
street is not an astronomer. So, does he
really know if he saw the moon? Maybe he
saw something that looked like the moon.
It's not always so clear. So, used to
help the out a little bit. So, had surro
he had pictures of the moon and he would
show them like a lineup. Did you see
this or did you see that? And you had to
pick the right one. And if you pick the
right one, so then you got it right
because otherwise, how you supposed to
know?
Had a tablet. It was hanging on his wall
and there were pictures of the moon.
He would show it to the ignored
the we just learned.
And we learn from there.
You're not allowed to make pictures of
the
and the is one of the
it's true. There's an
but only is to make an exact exact
replica. Now a person could sit down. He
could be a brilliant super talented
artist but at the end of the day could
he really make a picture of the moon?
The moon is so intricate it's not
possible. So to make something that's
actually going to be what the real thing
looks like that's but you can't make the
moon. So being that you can't make the
moon it's
so must be it's not included in the as a
result it's not going to be a problem.
So what then is the like the following a
person is not to make bias a house. So
you can't build a house that looks like
or
that looks like the you can't make
that's going to look like
your dining room table can't be
you want to make a says the price of
you can make it five six eight let's say
you want to make it with seven obviously
with right you're making it like the
so
You can't make
even if you're making it out of metal.
Meaning I would have thought that was it
was gold. So maybe if you want to make
it out of metals, it's going to be okay.
That's not either good.
You can't even make it out of wood. Not
just metal, even wood.
Because after the story, so when they
reinstated the the so they built a new
and the new that they built was made out
of wood. They told him it's not true. It
wasn't wood. Not that's not what the
mitsus was. The mitz was
made out of metal
and they covered it with bats. That's
tin actually says
later they made money time they were
poor.
So then they coated it with silver
when they made even more money the
campaign the the funds were flowing in
then already they made it out of go. But
the bottom line is is that you're not
allowed to make a house that's
Could
you make it out of wood? You can't make
it out of wood. Why not? Because made it
out of wood. But what's interesting
what's interesting is that the holds
that this is related to this is the of
what does this have to do with said it's
very interesting. Rashi says
never think of it that way.
the these
are
usually you think that the
bar the kayan have that they wear they
have kum that they use there's a
location where it has to happen but in
terms of the being a
the
may something to be mindful of when we
learn kach but either way it's included
in but says it has to be that this is
what the is because you can't tell me
this is don't make the moon. You can't
make the moon anyway. How you going to
make the moon? It's not possible. So it
must be something that you could make.
And that's what the terrorists come to
say. It's not like pictures of the moon.
It says in the
doesn't mean that means don't make that
are possible to make. But the says is
that true?
which is Rash's lion and by the way
specifically the price says what does
mean in so it means that this is more
inclusive than just the etc etc it it
says specifically maybe in fact it only
means but it certainly means so if it
means then
it should be
it's true there is an is of relates to
but you know what it means it means
it means something very very specific
it's referring Rashi says to the
that are mentioned in
the context of the
that carry the of those
are
so to speak that have four faces and
each face is the face of another animal
rashi says
the the
are the four animals of the of the and
to make a a something that has those
four faces together that's what's going
to be but other than that it's not going
to be
if that's the case parts of so to make a
parts of is going to be okay you're
telling me what does it mean don't make
like
it's referring specifically to
No, that's not true cuz there's a parts
of parts of
when did we have this yesterday. That
was the that said is not referring to
the that's why we're having this right
here. But rather it's referring to this.
But either way, you see clearly that
parts of is something that's
I heard from Yeshua once and shared I
know the answer to Yasha. It says and we
learn from there
don't make me. So Hashem says you can't
make me and you could read it also then
obviously you can't make a picture of an
Adam. So it's the and
that's
and
is but as it relates to the that's not a
problem. last was allowed to do what he
did. Why if the says would it be user to
make the of man is
because man was created in the image of
so being that a person was created like
him it's for that reason there'd be an
idea of but there's an unbelievable
but sorry is that true
to the
And there's another and this elaborates
a little bit on what the definition is.
That includes
not just
you see it's more included should
include the as well. So again why have
the right to do what he did?
This is referring to the sham that are
they're in the seventh heaven. So those
shamsh that are in the are going to be
also such as the
but in terms of in terms of the lav the
is not in the seventh heaven. You know
which heaven it's in the second one. But
not in the seventh heaven. How do I know
that? It's
on the talks about it's actually one
says there's two other the more often
quoted mandar says there are seven
heavens. The shim and the outlines each
which one it is. By the way, the seventh
the is called
that's what it's called. And there's a
whole half of investor
right over there. Obviously the
but it's actually interesting that
says that we say we say it every single
shabas
is the name of the seventh
sing to hem
play music to the name of
praise is
to the one that rides
in that's referring to the seventh
that's the highest of the high
with his name
and again give him that's what the means
so is referring to this seventh rabb
says that if you go and look in that
and you count the things that the garra
says are in this Seventh ra there's 15
things count it you're going to get it
says in this
either way so the argues that maybe it's
only what's in the mid maybe only that's
going to be awesome but in terms of
what's in the
such as the that's only in the second
heaven maybe over there that's going to
be but the says is that true
we learned in
The says
now the truth is that is really a
different pos that is not talking about
but that's to avoid desire doesn't have
to do with anything. Of course, he can't
worship the nobody says that says the
issue
with says no that can't bear because
even a small worm would be why doesn't
the say a small worm says a small worm.
So that's already a whole different deal
but says the again another.
So again we started off with Reb had
pictures of the moon in his attic and
when people used to come to say that
they saw
you would say
you're not
of the so if you can't make of
it should have been it's so the Gorra
suggested that maybe the was not
included in that and the Gmorra said is
this way that way five different rises
and we are right now is that was right
but the brings one final B
and here the B is clear
checkmate. So it's that in the
is included the if it's included the
how do what he did the first terret the
first of three
never did it himself had other people do
it and the other people are allowed to
do it two words he didn't have do it had
do it is not allowed to do it but had do
it and being that he
do it. It's for that reason it was okay.
But the Kamar says is that that's so
had a other people had made for him
meaning
sharp one.
You have to do something to its damage
it a little bit because you can't have a
that has a a surah of something on it.
It's it's going to be user. So the says
there was different
that
that ring with the surah on the ring
that Rhuda had was a 3D surah was it was
protruding and because it was protruding
therefore there was a problem. Meaning
even though himself had not made it so
he wasn't he told the guy to do it but
still there was an issue. And the reason
there was an issue was because included
in you can't even have it. This is very
important when you get to the we're not
going to get to. But you see the is
doesn't just mean you can't make it. You
can't even have it. But with the caveat
of only if it's is protruding, but if
it's not protruding, it's not a problem.
Why should it be a problem?
meaning because if you have something
that's even though you didn't make it
but it looks a little bit like something
that uh that people worship and as a
result there's going to be an element of
learn to
have it allowed to use it. If there's
nothing protruding
then you're allowed to keep it but you
can't use it. But either way, you see
that there's an element of but the
element of is only that was the story
with case it was
therefore there's no
is that true is there really of meaning
you can't now new you can't even have
something that looks a little like
anywhere around you wasn't allowed to
have this surah even though he didn't
make it a new idea if it's
there's major issues but the garra says
in there was a very famous in it was
called the we'll speak out a little bit
about that in a moment
and there was a
says there was a statue of some sorts
imagine you walk into this famous and
there's a over there
and maybe they used to go there how come
there wasn't it looks like and maybe
people are doing so says shiny there was
different because it a rabbi and it was
a rabbi. No one has to has to be worried
was a so how come in's place there was
no issue of the Gmorra says the gab
being that he was the ni therefore there
was nothing to worry about but the
bottom line is the sidetracked for two
or three lines but the terret coming
back to the original kasha had a sur of
the on his kazer said I what happened to
the isi And don't tell me doesn't
include the after going through five
finally found
that says
the first ter is
had do it for him and being that he
didn't do it himself he had do it on his
behalf it's for that reason it was okay
alternatively
was of proen and being that it was of
proin he used to only put it together
used to only put it together when the
people would come and as a result says
there was no element of
he did it and we've had this idea in a
few places already that there's certain
things that you're not allowed to do
but if you're doing it to teach you're
doing it in that case it's going to be
okay either way
to explain playing. But the bottom line
is is that had these of
the
and the says that either
the last terret of the gum is as it
relates to the ter of the so take a look
at rashi is that is that answering the
original kasha or is that answering the
gammor's kasha of so that even though he
had
maybe it should still be a problem but
regardless a Very interesting is of the
make of the of the
and the doesn't just mean
it means even the
additionally we had an idea of
means you can't even make the parts of
again this is something that's very much
we're not going to get into but just
speak had a little bit of raid. Number
one
talked away was discussing
that was referred to as
what's the definition of this?
It was a that had a picture of David and
on one side of the coin
on the other side of the coin.
There was also a
what did that look like?
An older man and an older woman on one
side of the coin
and a young boy and a young girl on the
other side of the coin. says that when
the Gmorra says that there was a and
a
you can't say that there were really
pictures of David and
because he not let him make the so how
is it possible that the who used these
coins coins. It sounds like they minted
these coins. They would have made these
suras
rather
rather. It just said
it's what it said. But in terms of the
actual
it said the words
but the actual picture says is not
possible. If you take a look at Rashi,
Rashi says as follows.
The
yard was yesterday. So the said that if
you
said
Rashi said what said that it didn't have
a picture of rather it said the words
there wasn't a picture of
rather it was
but by
and
says
Rashi doesn't say the words. So the was
bothered. He said why did Rashi
say what said and by
and
didn't say that
if there's an of
that even by the and the it also had to
have just said it.
That was the
inash
and really to explain
the said we have to first learn the
says also
it's also for a person to make
and even if the of the is not it doesn't
matter. This is a very important caveat.
Don't walk away from the thinking but
only if your intention is of a desire
and has nothing to do with your
intention being loved.
But then the Ramb gives us a reason. So
why then is it awesome?
The wisd says
the reason is it's a sip of brings in
but the rabb says even though I'm
bringing it in
don't think it's really it's not what it
is is a protection
because there are fools there are silly
people out there are people that do
worship the sheesh and the leavana etc
etc so if you're going to go start
making of these things it could lead. So
says the rabb
it's for that reason it's going to be
awesome but in terms of it being real
not but at the same time it is a it is
some sort of for so the rabb saying a
little bit of a that even though is
really not related to but the rabb says
it's in my because I see it as a as a so
to speak of the laws of
say that the is
over there is discussing the and the
first one of the brings
says the is the punch line.
Therefore, we have to make sure we don't
allow
even if it's
in his
says within the category of
what does
that the rabb says that even though you
didn't win you didn't do but still
that's why the said this is also there's
a time of this it's related
they're going to have this is as well in
other words
which is not anor
Is it related to is it not related to I
was going through a truth from and
says that even though at first glance
it's not but read the says
the is using that it's
so it seems very much that it's related
to but maybe not at first maybe it's not
or maybe like the rabb says yeah the of
it's for a
guy who doesn't have the mitzvah but he
has the mitzvah and some of the of the
as well the ancillary is if the is to
make is somewhat related to maybe would
have this is as well. So the said that
said
doesn't say
you know why because says
if there was an wasn't to have the
actual picture you're not let what and
doesn't mean
they just said the words but you
couldn't actually have the surah but as
it relates to
this is an old this predated if it
predated at that POINT THERE WAS NO
MITZVAH there's no there was no
if there's no
didn't say there was a picture of a and
a represented
there was a picture of a that
represented
it didn't have to just say the words.
They could have had the picture because
what's the big deal? There's no reason
that it couldn't say it. What is like
held that is one of the
because it's
even before that's why speaks out
clearly that even
it had to be it had to say the words you
couldn't have a picture. In other words,
and this is this
is which is not in its core but is it
related to is it not related to like the
raashi
hell that has nothing to do with this
that's the first second is the had
mentioned the
shar
so there was a ban it was called it was
ina and there was a statue there was
Salam in front of it and
they used to go down with this says why
was this called
says there's some that say that of
that went to together with the prodigies
the the young superstars andro and he
took them to to so he took with them a
little bit from the aim
and from the offer of and he took those
stones and that offer and he built a
bass in the he wanted there to be aik
in
means it jumped it came from here
and it was reestablished somewhere else
says that's
referring to this story with he wanted
even the he wanted even the offer of of
and he took it with him and he
reestablished a new bases in this was
the bases of
but there's the rest of the story
says
take a look at how beloved
wherever the went to go throughout
history the always goes with them.
I'm forwarding say
that
was there where was there a specific
meaning went so there was a place there
was a there was the
where was the
said it's in two places
it's in the bases in
the bases
And then he explained don't think that
it's in both places.
Sometimes it's here, sometimes it's
there. Continued. He said basically I'm
going to get a lot of
if I'm within a par's distance of one of
these I don't know. I make sure to go
down there cuz that's where the so so
manifest
says
they were once sitting in the
came
and they heard noise
they got up and they left
was one sitting there
he didn't leave
and they and they scared
But either way, either way, this is the
rest of the story. The of was made from
the and the of it was reinstated in and
it was considered to happen in aikash.
It was understood it was understood that
that's where the mo of was and there's
even stories with
that they were sitting in the besus
and the actually came there's around the
brings
here the which by the way also mentions
they used to d there was an in front of
this it's hard to fathom but this
which represented the mo of
in
was a place was a place where there was
an but I'm going to ask you a
says it sounds but you should know I
found
that says that these weren't just they
were actually
the offer wasn't just offer from it was
offer from the mikdash which explains
the mill test This was a it was a bas of
the
in
how were the allowed to take the
of the mikdash and now use it for
personal use. Isn't this 101
from the laws of apply to be they
applied applied to as well and the
wasab. So if the Bikto was who gave the
to go ahead and now take of the Bikto
and offer the Bikto and build the Bess
it's beautiful it's interesting it's
it's rest of the story but at the end of
the DAY WHO GAVE HIM A RIGHT TO DO it
I can't wait till then so
it's who knows but either way based
that quotes a classical
says as follows.
The over there describes saying that bad
people are going to come and they're
going to destroy the mikt. And you know
what's going to happen when they destroy
the Bikto
says that
as soon as the enter the it becomes and
the laws of no longer apply. It says
the reason that the were allowed to take
and offer because this was already in
the titan
and even though if you know the history
was before right it wasn't it was before
mikt happened in three phases the first
was called gullis yay the second was
called gullis yay and the third was
called galisky
is the one that's mentioned the post and
the maser actually brings it in.
But the the gullis was when
sent for the young stars in init. They
were young prodigies. He knew that the
Jews had always contributed so much to
society to civilization and he wanted to
bring these people they should be part
of his which by the way that's the you
appreciate a little bit when you say
that's the the point that we say with
that he was one of the people that went
to go with it's a when came and he took
the young budding stars in in Jerusalem
was one of them
this was the group was from those young
superstars. But either way, so comes and
it was before it was 11 years before.
But regardless, but at that point it was
already considered
that it was already considered
on some level. Therefore, they were
allowed to take the
or maybe they didn't use it until after
the actual but the bottom line is that's
the point.
That's why you were able to have this.
It was something you have. He talks
about this in another place. He actually
speaks about this in many troops. Just
tell you one other interesting truth
where he says we all know the garb says
and said had I been there had I had a
vote when
I would have said that should be on it
shouldn't be on test because
happened on it didn't happen on so says
so why do we do it on because it start
gives such a compelling response I think
was right said
happened on so doesn't it make sense why
we're going Why we going bust through
the right do has to hold
that soon as you light the fire
everything that happens is the original
said I should have understood why the
why was considered to have happened on
even though the fire is is burning on
but it's all
you would argue
the did happen on test that was
But either way, so what's wrong? Why do
we go?
Because once the started burning it was
at that point there was already what
happened later happened in it was
already
the
happened with either way. Maybe we'll
pick up with some more rain on this