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Today's daf is Avodah Zarah daf mem base
and we are two lines from the bottom of
daf mem aleph amud base. So, yesterday
we began the third perek in maseches
Avodah Zarah, perek kol ha'tzelamim,
which is a new topic. It discusses the
halacha of tzelamim of Avodah Zarah.
Specifically, can one be hana'ah from
Avodah Zarah? The halachos of being
mevatel Avodah Zarah. Either way,
another daf Gemara and then b'ezras
Hashem at the end of the daf we'll come
back and speak out just a little bit
more about chul of stam. So, the Mishnah
had begun with a machlokes tano'im
regarding tzelamim. So, a tzelem,
literally translated, is an image or a
statue of some sort. Rebbe Meir said
that tzelamim, even though technically
they weren't Avodah Zarah, still you're
not allowed to have hana'ah. You can't
have hana'ah from Avodah Zarah. The
Rambam says in perek zayin, halacha bet,
hilchos Avodah Zarah, that if somebody
does have hana'ah from Avodah Zarah,
he's like a sh'tayim. He's over two
lavin she'yeish b'meisah.
What about a tzelem? So, Rebbe Meir said
you can't have hana'ah from a tzelem
either because nevodim pamachas b'shana,
one day a year people used to worship
the tzelamim and as a result, you have
to be concerned. What emerged in the
Gemara was that the truth is most
tzelamim were not ne'evad, not even once
a year, but there were a mi'ut of
tzelamim that were Rebbe Meir's chashash
yud and as a result, Rebbe Meir held
that kol ha'tzelamim asurim because of
the chashash, because of the mi'ut of
people that are ovedes atzelim pamachas
b'shana. The chachamim argued, the
chachamim who hold that we're not
chiyavim l'mi'ut, the chachamim said we
can go by the ro'iv tzelamim and ro'iv
tzelamim are never ne'evad, stating that
if you have a tzelem that's holding
either a stick, a bird or a bull,
because of symbolism of a deity of
Avodah Zarah, those tzelamim would be
assurim. Shimon Gamliel was the chashash
of Avodah Zarah she'yeish b'machri'a
benei adam. Shimon Gamliel said it's
fine. of
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understand the halacha. The
pshat in the halacha is, because really,
whenever you see shvarim, the
assumption is that for sure the
was mevatel it. And in fact, says
the Gemara, it makes sense that just
like according to Rav Meir, that slomen
are assur, shivrei slomen are mutar, so
according to the chachamim, that avodah
zarah is also shivrei avodah zarah will
be mutar as well. But the Gemara's kasha
was according to Rav Yochanan, that the
only time shvarim, shivrei avodah zarah
are considered to be mutar is if you
know for sure the broke it. But if
it broke by itself, avodah zarah
she'nishtaberah me'eileiha, Rav Yochanan
holds is assur, then why if you find
shivrei avodah zarah is it assur? Now,
the Mishna just said shivrei slomen, but
the Gemara assumes that if shivrei
slomen are assur, according to Rav Meir,
who holds kol ha'slomen assurin, then
shivrei avodah zarah would be assur
according to the chachamim that all
avodah zarah is assur. And the Gemara's
kasha was that why should shivrei avodah
zarah be mutar? Vachura,
we should view it as it possibly being
assur because of the possibility
because of the possibility that maybe it
broke by itself, and if it broke by
itself, at that point Rav Yochanan holds
avodah zarah she'nishtaberah me'eileiha
is going to be assur. So the Gemara
said, you're right. It's true. The only
time shvarim are mutar is shivrei
slomen, not shivrei avodah zarah. What's
the difference? So the Gemara said,
because by shivrei slomen you have a
sfek sfeka. By shivrei avodah zarah you
only have one safek. Shivrei slomen you
have a sfek sfeka, because even Rav Meir
that's machmir, he's only machmir
misafek, because he's choshesh
me'eileiha. But it could be this avodah
zarah was never ne'evad. So you have a
safek that maybe it was never ne'evad
detzura, plus you have a safek maybe it
was broken. Sfek sfeka it's going to be
mutar. As opposed to shivrei avodah
zarah, you don't have a sfek sfeka, all
you have is one safek, and for For
reason it's going to be assur. Why by
one safek will it be ossur? Because ain
safek motzi midei vadai. If it is ossur,
you know for sure it is ossur. You have
a safek, maybe it became battul. Ain
safek motzi midei vadai. Great gemara.
Ain safek motzi midei vadai. Is that
true? Two lines from the bottom. How do
you learn to the braisa? Omri Rebbi
Yehuda, maaseh b'isha she maaseh d'hu a
story where there was a maaseh Rashi
says gavra aluma, a very strong and
powerful person. And he had a shifcha.
She hitila neifel labar. And this
shifcha miscarried a child. And
the child and she threw it into a pit.
Ubakayin, and a kohen came the heitseis
and took a walk inside the pit. So,
hovered over the pit lay that to
determine im zachar im nekeiva, to see
if this child was a zachar if the child
was in a keiver. And the reason was
because this shifcha wanted to know how
many yemei tumah and how many yemei
taharah she was going to have have to
sit. She was tumas yeledus. And the
question was how long was she going to
be tumah for? Now, what happened was the
person that looked was a kohen. A kohen
is not allowed to be metameh to a meis.
One of the ways a kohen could be metameh
to a meis is tumas oil. One of the ways
he could be metameh to a meis oil is by
being mahel. If a person himself becomes
the oil over the meis, that constitutes
tumas oil. So, essentially this kohen
had now become tumah tumas meis al yedei
mahel.
Now, so he goes to the rabbanim now.
Ubakayin lifnei chachamim, v'hitiruhu.
And they told him that you're tahor. You
have nothing to worry about. The reason
is because Umar mitzuyim sham. Because
of the different animals and insects
that were matzui there. And the
assumption is is that the neifel wasn't
there. Meaning he went to look at the
neifel to see if it is a zachar or a
nekeiva. He was the rov. So, he's trying
to help out this woman. Turns out he was
machlis himself into a major shaila.
But, there was good news. The good news
was he never saw the neifel. So, was he
now tumah tumas oil? So, he goes to ask
the chachamim and they hold him no. The
maaseh, you didn't see the neifel there.
And chudah baalus mitzuyim sham. And as
a result, we could assume it's not
there. If it's not there, you're not
talking about gemara.
we know for sure there was a vadai that
this naifel, this fetus was there. And
safi got rules of the glory glory. It's
only a safi if the bardless and the
holder took it away. Because he's safi
still, what did the tell him that you're
tohar? Because the safi, the sad the
possibility that maybe the holder and
the bardless took away the naifel is
might be the vadai. He says, "Don't
worry about the vadai to us." So, what
do you see? That safi is might be the
vadai. Says the no, "Lo temei tilu
naifel bar." Don't say the story was
with it was for sure naifel on the bar.
"Elo temei tilu kamin naifel bar." The
story was with this woman miscarried a
child, but it was in the early stages of
her pregnancy. So, it wasn't even clear
if it was a if it was a baby yet, if it
had the form, if it had the tzurah of a
blood. So, it wasn't even clear that it
was tumah. So, there's a safi if there
was tumah. And now there's a safi that
maybe the nachash or the holder and or
the bardless took away this naifel. As a
result, it's a safi and a safi. That's
where the told him that he was tohar.
The Gemara says, "Valeda im zachar im
nekeva hutani." It says that the cohen
was going to see if it was a zachar and
a nekeva. Meaning it sounds like we know
for sure it was a naifel. The question
just was the gender. But in terms of
whether or not it was a naifel, sounds
like that's clear. So, the Gemara says,
"Hachi kamar." No, that's just add a
little bit of words to the braisa to
make it work. The shailah was, the
reason the cohen was going was to
determine number one "im ruachi pila im
naifel hitila." To see if it was in fact
a child. "Im timtzo levin naifel atila."
And if it was in fact child "eidem
zachar im nekeva." To know if it was a
zachar and a nekeva, but it's not true
that they knew for sure it was a child.
But the shailah just was zachar and a
nekeva. They weren't even sure if it was
a naifel. Maybe it was a ruach. As a
result, it was a safi. That's why the
cohen were mad because it was a safi if
there was ever tumah in the bar. "Im
timtzo leimar there was tumah." There's
a safi that maybe the holder and the
bardless removed it. Safi is might be
the safi. You're saying alternative to
"kimish demadus mitzoi and sham vadai
go." Or or that no, maybe the story was
we know for sure that there was an apple
there. If you know for sure there was an
apple there it was if there was a tumor
then why
was this person told that he's
the higher because of the bottles and
the holder it's only a
that the bottles and the holder did what
it did. It says no could be it was
considered a
because given the holder and the bottles
we look at it as a
the bottom line is it wasn't a being
made a either it was a
but it was
or it was a
either way
so we have a we have a
but it could be a
also it says and we're going to have a
whole and change of
that's going to go back and forth and
discuss this
it's a
what the God said
the mission said that if somebody finds
it's however if the
was the Torah of a hand or a foot hurry
it was the reason is that
because we assume that it's a
possibility that maybe people worship
the ad and people worship
why is it also
it's at the end of the day it's broken
so if it's broken it should be motor so
it's the right of you and frankly
me according to
that always why is it a regular
according to
what I always
what I only if you know the person was
but if you don't know that the person
was
if it broke by itself for example it's
going to be
so there's a
that could be maybe that's the beer in
that
but according to that always even if
it's
so why
is it regular
so it gives the obvious answer what we
said already yesterday a target of
but the
talking about regular
we're talking about what the shevir was
now on a
on a platform and it was it was on
somebody's break front it's a little bit
different. When it's on a basis already
at this point even though it's a shevir
but it shows it's a dovor shel chashivus
and it's for that reason it's going to
be ossur. But then again could be all
shvarim even yad even regel if it's not
on a basis and if the didn't go out
of his way to show that he's been
machshiv it it's in fact going to be
ossur because it's chashuv. Mivutal
avodah zarah is k'chulu. A has an
ability to be mivutal his own avodah
zarah. That's the whole idea of a breaks
his avodah zarah that avodah zarah
becomes muttar.
A can also be mivutal avodah zarah
of his friend. That's a chiddush. So if
a walks into his friend's house
takes his friend's avodah zarah slams it
on the floor breaks it into a thousand
pieces the avodah zarah is not going to
be ossur. I how could I go and do
something? It doesn't matter. A can
be mivutal his own avodah zarah he can
be mivutal his friend's avodah zarah as
well. But Yisrael a Yid einam mivutal
avodah zarah shel avodah zarah. A
cannot be mivutal avodah zarah of his
friend. Now these are all mishnayos
later in the perek. A a Yid cannot
be mivutal his own avodah zarah either.
So if a has avodah zarah and he
takes avodah zarah and he's mivutal it
it's not avodah zarah anymore.
It becomes ossur avodah zarah. If a Yid
has avodah zarah and he says I'm mivutal
avodah zarah and he does it together
with his beer
Halacha is
it doesn't become muttar b'hana'ah. A
Yid has to destroy the avodah zarah.
We'll see what a Yid has to do with his
avodah zarah later in the perek.
A can be mivutal his avodah zarah a
Yid cannot be mivutal his avodah zarah.
Says the Mishnah another halacha. A
can be mivutal his avodah zarah and his
friend his avodah zarah as well. A Yid
just like he can't be mivutal his own
avodah zarah he certainly can't be
mivutal another Yid's avodah zarah. He
can't even mivutal a
goy's avodah zarah. Says the Gemara
ammai? A feste kasha. Tihavei k'avodah
zarah she'nishtab'ah m'eilav. If a Yid
goes and he breaks the goy's avodah
zarah, why is it awesome? Bishloimo,
according to Rebbe Yochanan, that holds
avodah zarah is nishtaber me'eilav
asurah I hear. But according to Reish
Lakish who holds avodah zarah is
nishtaber me'eilav is muttar, what does
that mean? That means as soon as the
wakes up in the morning and he sees that
his avodah zarah is broken, such as when
Terach woke up in the morning and he saw
what happened to his avodah zarah. So
that law is we assume he's mevatel the
avodah zarah and at that point it's
going to be muttar. So what's the
difference if it broke by himself or if
a Yid broke it? Why should a Yid
breaking the avodah zarah of his
neighbor, the be got a from avodah
zarah
nishtaber me'eilav? You're right, the
Yid broke it. Yid doesn't have a koach
to mevatel avodah zarah. Take the Yid
out of the picture, it's broken. That's
the bottom line. The bottom line of
broken avodah zarah that's broken is
always muttar. Amar Abaye, Abaye said
shipichasa. We're talking about where it
wasn't broken. The this halacha that
when a Yid is mevatel avodah zarah of a
it's not bottel. It's not talking
when he breaks it. When he breaks it,
according to Reish Lakish it would be
muttar. Because it's broken. And once
it's broken, Reish Lakish holds even if
it's nishtaber me'eilav, it's going to
be muttar. We're talking about where he
just hit it. Rashi says, ansheyn this
macha tzurasa. He just changed the form
of the avodah zarah. But he didn't
actually destroy it. Being that he
didn't destroy it, the law is different.
But the Gemara says chipichasa me'ayavi.
Why is it different that he just
disformed it? But now we learned in the
Mishna, chipichasa af bishlichus
mevatel. At the end of the day
constitutes what's bittel. So if this
chipichasa, whatever that is exactly, if
it constitutes bittel, and avodah zarah
that's nisbatel me'eilav is muttar, so
what's the difference if the Yid broke
it or if he was chipichasa? The Gemara
says no, very simple. Hani meili
chipichasa of
chipichasa Yisrael lo battel.
Meaning it's true chipichasa is
considered bittel. So a person can be
mevatel. can be mevatel his avodah
zarah by breaking the avodah zarah. He
can be mevatel avodah zarah by hitting
it until it it it starts becoming
looking it starts looking different.
That constitutes bitter. That's true.
But as it relates to the halacha of
where
even though it happened by itself it's
mother that he only said by
if it wasn't there's no such a halacha.
So granted if a year would go to his
and he would break it to the point that
it was
where
would hold it would be mother not
because the year has a
he doesn't he can't be his own can't be
but it's like
but that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about where he didn't
break it. We're talking about where it
was
if all it was was
over there there's no
of
may it's going to be mother. You need
that the one that was
had to be
a year's
of bitter is not considered a bitter.
Thus a guy could do it to his own a guy
could do it to another guy's a year
would not be able to do it even to a
guy's
a guy's it could be maybe it's not true.
Maybe
between the
and
and if
because
it's considered bitter then the same
would be true with regards to
so that
but if a year
would be
the halacha is it would be mother
because the year is like
from it happening may love. I why then
if a year goes to a guy's thing is
bitter bitter
pick up this
and he'll be in it the other may
and then he'll be
the other
and then it's going to be a year's
halacha
and any
that's
that already can't be
were very very very stringent. They said
there's no way a year could just be
we have to do the year but we have to
come over and
we have to uproot it literally like a
type of idea. We have to absolutely
destroy it. So for years of
we're not going to have any leniencies.
So this was like a
zero that anytime a year does anything
to
it shouldn't count it to be
why after the years own of
either way get familiar with that line.
Zero
of a couple of a couple of a straw
because the more it's going to repeat it
now several times. A
guy who took stones from a cool guy who
took stones from a cool guy cool was one
of the infamous of a
we are
we learned it in in detail when we learn
but the idea was it was you would take
stones and you would put it in a certain
suit but you basically you took a volume
and you would
worship it you would offer it up to the
known as as my cool so it says the price
I can share
cool of a guy take stones from my cool
the him draw and he used them to pave
roads. The
right direction says is the right
way to go. Is the right way to go.
A year however who takes stones from my
cool the right way to go and the right
way to go is
going to be us. So if a guy takes stones
from my cool and now he uses it
pave stones I needed a stone so what did
he do he went to my cool and he took he
took one of the stones from there so he
was
that way to go by taking the Evan from
my cool
putting it on the floor using it as
cement so at this point it doesn't have
anything to go with it. If a year does
it not think the right way to go and the
right way to go the right way to go the
right way to go
and the right way to go the right way to
go and the right way to go
the right way to go the right way to go
the right way to go
the right way to go the right way to go
the right way to go
the right way to go the right way to go
the right way to go the be kind of the
oven or the point is if you're going to
allow a year to be a
he may come to
you cannot be
a
who had a
a stone that was a
he starts he was smoothing the he was
sawing it he was smoothing it the stone
itself so the is if he was doing it
because he wanted the wood for himself
or he wanted what was coming off the
wood for himself he the
itself this
and the thing that's coming off it
because we can
do it like breaking the let's say he's
doing it for the
to beautify the
he has
so the itself remains
but the
little bit of saw that comes off of it
that dust that's going to be motor the
I would say but a year that does it
whether he does it for his own cause
he does it's all going to be awesome why
the same thing because the year can't be
and even if he breaks it but I'm my same
the
why is the year doing it worse than if
it happened by itself
the same really shouldn't be worse and
based on
of
this should be
but if a year does it it's worse because
it's a
after if a year would do it to his own
it's another
he says
somebody has a that's metal it's not
wood it's metal so what do you do
you grind it because
you can just throw it up in the air or
you can just throw it into the
this is a year
which you completely have to destroy
that's what you're supposed to do with
it
that's not a good idea if you're going
to be
and you're going to be
is one of the
something that is one of the integral
things that people do when you work on a
farm after
you being
the mattress is going to now fertilize
the
>> You're going to have now some kind of
from the desert.
You can have a note. But the message is
why is it a big deal?
Why don't we assume that the
result of the rule of blinds
So what are you going to tell me?
But it should be like God
below according to which lucky that's
what it
That it is rather it's true. It really
The reason it's not good there is
because of
a year can't seem about to love it is
all right. Even if there is some husband
after we make up
What's the tourist dark guy? Is somebody
found the tour of a dark one.
Mention the next mission of this was
some serpent of some sort that was a
very popular of it is all right back in
the day. So somebody found the tour of a
dark one. This is all right is all
right. The right shape of the and the
head of it was off. So it didn't have a
head. Suffolk
now did a guy knock off its head be
headed?
Maybe you stroll did it. So the is
motor. It's going to be motor.
If we know for sure that he is strong
was the one that be headed it. And then
that look is it's going to be awesome.
Why is it us even if you know for sure
that he had did it?
Why should he taking the head off this
serpent this dark one be any worse than
what
than if it had it happened by itself
which is going to be good.
It's only and really that look is it
should be okay.
I follow your uncle is be my suggestion.
The the over there is planting
underneath an asherah tree. So, he says
you're not even allowed to plant your
Rocco's vegetables even be my
suggestion. The reason is
because the leaves are going to fall off
that asherah tree. They're going to be
on the
what you planted and it's going to
fertilize what it is you planted and
you're going to be Nana from the
asherah.
When the leaves fall off the asherah,
that is forget this has nothing to do
with the yet. It should be a classic
case of
just isn't this textbook
you have an asherah tree and now the
leaves fell off, branches fell off, it
landed on what you planted, it's going
to fertilize it. It's a problem. You
haven't got Nana. No, you're not because
what fell off is and
according to
the
even may Allah which is what fell on its
own just nature. It just fell. So,
what's the
the is it's mother. So, why can you have
from the
of the asherah
only time
is mother is if somebody did it. He was
it. Okay, nobody did it. This just
happened but according to even if it
happens by itself the
says the this is already different.
The
is over here we mean that the
asherah itself is still standing only a
part of it fell off. That's not called
the
the definition of
is is when the at least broke. The
is broken but if the is just some
leaves, some branches fell off, that's
not called the says
from today's stuff we have a right not
that way. The
one of the examples were we had
and you're just smoothing it out a
little bit and a little bit of a little
bit of wood fell off. So, what was the
halakha? The the
over there with the
kind of mechanical suit that if you did
it with avodah zarah, the halakha is he,
meaning the avodah zarah itself is
assur, the shifuya, but what came off of
the avodah zarah is going to be mutar.
Why is it mutar? Why is it different
than the leaves of the tree? Why don't
you say that being that the ikkar of the
avodah zarah is kaim, that even what
came off should be assur? So, the Gemara
says you're right.
I'll give you a different reason.
There are the laws. So, the only time
even Reb Kluger holds that avodah
zarah that comes in a shalom bayis is
mutar is if it's out of the ordinary.
But, if what happened wasn't the usual
course of business, if it what happened
was ordinary, it's not going to be
assur. But, what was It's not going to
be mutar. What was Reb Kluger's
svara? Reb Kluger said avodah
zarah couldn't help itself. How's it
going to help me? So, that's true. The
guy comes home and he sees his avodah
zarah is on the floor and a head fell
off and the company is Yadain Fellow.
Right, that was the case of Dogon. So,
over there he's going to say, "Boy, if
Dogon couldn't help itself, how's it
going to help me?" But, if a person has
an asheira tree that he worships and he
comes and he sees the leaves fell off,
you know, during the season when leaves
are supposed to fall off, he's not going
to think anything. So, the whole svara
of Reb Kluger is predicated on
something happening out of the ordinary,
which he's going to take as a sign that
the powers that he had previously
attributed to this mishigas is is
obviously a mishigas. But, if what
happened was natural, he's not going to
think that. And being that he's not
going to think that, dear, that halakha
doesn't apply.
Kancha berisha ilan, if there's a kan.
So, a kan is a nest where birds live in
the nest and it was on the top of a tree
that's hekdesh. So, the halakha is lo
nehenin. In our avana, mid'erabanan. Lo
nehenin but at the same time there's no
issur me'ilah mid'oraisa. So, lo nehenin
and lo mailin comes up a lot, especially
when you learn kashrus, and it's a
little tricky. Lo nehenin means you're
not allowed to have hana'ah. Lo mailin
means you're not mo'el. The two lo's
don't mean the same thing. But, it
sounds like they're saying that you
can't have hana'ah and You can't be
moel. No, that's not what it means. Lo
yenanen means you can't have a no. Thou
shall not. That's what the first lo
means. The second lo means you are not
or you cannot. There is no me'ilah. So,
you cannot have hana'ah mid'rabbanan,
but at the same time there's no me'ilah
mide'oraita. That's if the kan was on
the top of a a tree. Bereshit
That was hekesh. What if it was on the
top of a tree that's hek- that's an
asherah tree? So, de'oraita is hekesh
bekan. If you want, you can get it. How
do you get it? You take a stick and you
find a way to take the nest. Now, the
Gemara says kasav da'ita. It's fair to
assume kegavna me'eimen eitzim
bikinzavah that this nest that the birds
made where did they get the wood to make
the nest? They probably took it from the
tree. Meaning, they took the atzei
asherah and they made a nest.
And it says it's okay. Now, lo chura,
why is it okay? Shouldn't it be a
problem? You're trying to take the nest.
You want to have hana'ah from the nest
presumably. How do you let have hana'ah
from the nest? So, what are you going to
tell me? Because it was nishtabra. But,
Bishlam according to Reish Lakish now
we're flipping the script. So, Bishlam
according to Reish Lakish that holds
nishtabra me'eilav mutar. Okay, so it's
mutar. But, according to Rabbi Yochanan
that
nishtabra me'eilav is assur. So, even
though it was nishtabra, but no one was
mevatel
it. If nobody was mevatel it, then it
should be assur. So, till now all the
kashes were kashes on Reish Lakish. This
kashe is a kashe on Rabbi Yochanan.
According to Rabbi Yochanan that
nishtabra me'eilav is assur, then why
are you you're taking the nest? What are
you doing with the nest? You're not
allowed to take the nest. If you're
going to take the nest, you're going to
have hana'ah from it. Lo chura, you're
not allowed to have hana'ah from it.
Says the Gemara, askina and the I see it
to me. No, we know for sure that this
nest didn't come from that asherah. The
nest came from somewhere else.
Bikinzavah and that's how the birds made
the hekesh. Lo yenanen I'll prove it to
you. Because by hekesh what do
bracha say? Lo yenanen
velo mo'alin eitzim
I understand a lot.
You can have a no middle of the bottom
but at the same time you're not mile on
the right side. Why are you not mile on
the right side?
Because the eight cent came from
somewhere else. They were never caught
there. So there's no middle of the right
side.
It's on a tree. That's hectic. So the
bottom said don't be mad at it. But you
want to know why they don't mile it?
Because the wood is not hectic. Why is
it not hectic? Because the birds that
made this nest, they didn't make it from
the wood of the tree. So just like they
didn't make the
nest from the hectic tree in the ratio
they didn't make the nest from the ash
tree in the safer which is precisely why
even according to
it's okay to go ahead and take the nest.
But according to the max show who
thought this was a right to lock it.
Because he understood this safe is
talking about with the
birds took the wood from the ash tree
ash tree itself then in the ratio you
have to be consistent. You have to tell
me it's the same story. The story is
that the birds took the wood to make the
nest from the hectic. If that's the case
I'm not mile it. Why is there no day
right side?
This is hectic 101. It should be
awesome.
It could be
It's not working that would be hectic.
Because hectic the only time you do the
hectic are hectic is only what grew
before you lock this But there is
a man that holds that you do the
someone is locking the and then it
starts growing. What grows after you
lock this Maybe it's not hectic.
So maybe this a lot of is going
according to the man of war that holds
that you do the
really not hectic as a result don't ask
me cashes why there's no is you can
assume that the wood that was used for
the nest came from the tree. Could be
that's not my kind of
send me
I heard different
you're right it's a good question really
meaning first
this over here that you have a chance
why you want to take it the assumption
is that where did the wood come from the
wood came from the tree itself the came
from the tree itself it's not a shame
you can't have enough of
so basically according to
it's it was
even though it was made I would say it's
according to
the house of
so why you want to have a what's going
on over here so the first the more I
said is it's only true
and we took the wood from somewhere else
but I said that I heard from a different
I heard and I want to go for the the
wood
the nest itself is off limits my
you know what that means
means if somebody was going after the
you wanted the chickens that were inside
that's something you be allowed to take
okay that has nothing to do with the
point in the
but it's in the nest that's on the but
you're right the nest itself that you
would be able to touch
I'll tell you what I heard that can
become you want the it's always going to
be
whether it was on the tree of
whether it was on the tree of you can
always take it it's not part of the tree
so it's always going to be
but they if you want the can become
they're always going to be awesome the
reason the one that is awesome cuz the
need the tree being that they need the
tree it's always going to be awesome
that
which we said is always awesome but if
they need their mother and the mother is
in the nest which is on the tree can be
we look at it as
and in that case it's going to be
awesome another mission
if somebody finds a
Tzuras Lavana, Tzuras Darkon, it had one
of three pictures on it. So, somebody
found a kayli, you found a cup, and
engraved in the cup was a picture. It
was either the Tzura of the Chama,
that's the sun, the Lavana, or the
Darkon, that's this creature. You
get rid of it, you throw it in literally
into the Dead Sea.
Not all kaylim. Shaul
if it was not a
explain that that's
but if it's not a kayli that's
it's going to be says the the main right
first you understand this mission.
Presumably the reason why if you find
these Tzuras on a kayli, this kayli is
also
because it says in the Torah
And the assumption is that these three
pictures on a kayli equals constitutes
as if to say these three things were
things that the pagans worshiped. As if
to say all the things they didn't
worship. Because if the pagans worshiped
other things then the should be if you
find those other Tzuras on kaylim then
those kaylim should also be awesome
because of the maybe you worshiped it.
The says
that true? The only things the pagans
worshiped were the sun, the moon, and
the Darkon?
If somebody
brings a carbon, he an animal with the
intention of it going
which
the seas, the
the
the desert and the Lavana the
stars
and the constellations the
sun
the sun
a little worm and the sun and the sun
now presumably this is discussing things
that were common, things that actually
happened. So, you see that people used
to worship the
the
sun and the sun
and the sun
they worshiped a lot of things. So, why
these three things? Why
the sun and the Lavana and the sun? But,
who anything that people worship which
were many, if you find those on the
calendar
said the obvious answer.
If they have they worship anything they
found. They they were not very
discriminatory when it came to what
exactly they were willing to worship.
However, mates are who
but to make a picture and then worship
that Cali way you made the picture, then
they were ready sticklers. They were a
little bit more specific.
Let me
over there we assume that they didn't
worship it. So, if you see a Cali that
has a picture of
a show show cotton when
we assume it was a they made it
not going to be
mounted. The
used to
collect difficult prices and
the Tony and he used to say shop and
this is an example of a difficult price
that
had collected and we
explained it's actually not so difficult
if you have come. Call
is
good
the first part of the price that says
all constellations are
multiple what they are going to explain
that but all
are multiple with the exception of the
one
the person all faces are multiple with
me parts of except for the face of a
person the actual race multiple all
pictures are multiple with me pictures
for
prices said three things all
are multiple with the exception of the
one all
are multiple with the exception of
all pictures are multiple with the
exception of essentially four things
were also the
that was ratio
all done that's the
that's the middle case and
that's the safer that's the third case
all pictures are multiple
what are we talking about either
are we talking about making these
things? Is that what the bris is? The
bris, the first part of the bris is
discussing making the sura of the mazel.
As if they say you're allowed to make
the sura of a mazel. Just literally make
it in your workshop. You're allowed to
make the sura of a mazel with exception
of the one. That's not true. Because is
it called mazel me shuri? Is that true?
All of mazel with their save. We
know this will speak about it more
tomorrow
we saw some eat the other They hate the
way they hate of the sura
you're not allowed to make the way they
hate of the way they hate of. And it
says
eat the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate of the way
they hate of the way they hate of the
way they hate of the way they hate of
the way they hate of the way they hate
of the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate of the way
they hate of the way they hate of the
way they hate of the the way they hate
of the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate of the way
they hate of the way they hate of the
way they hate of the way they hate of
the way they hate of the way they hate
of the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate of the way
they hate of the way they hate of the
way they hate of the way they hate of
the way they hate of the way they hate
of the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate of the way
they hate of the way they hate of the
way they hate of the way they hate of
the way they hate of the way they hate
of the way they hate of the way they
hate of the way they hate They might say
that the bris must be talking about
somebody who found a cave that had the
sura of the mazel on the cave. And in
fact the race is saying our mission.
Okay, that's not
and that's what the bris is saying. If a
person finds a cave that has color
mazel, what's the
what
is
the color of the mazel? That's our
mission. It's mentioning two of the
three things that our mission has said
are us if you find it on a cave. The two
that are mazel. So So color of mazel
with exception of the one if you find it
on a cave with the exception of with the
exception of the one. But the race is
saying if the first part of the bris is
discussing somebody who found a cave
that has the sura of the one.
Look at the middle case. Look at the
second case of the bris. What was the
second case? Color of the one with
exception of the one. Look at the middle
case.
Look at the second case of the bris.
What was the second case? Color of the
one with exception of the one. bris is
saying that if they had a picture of
something it's going to be unless the
picture was of a human being. Parts of
Adam exception of the one. where do you
find that a parts of Adam is also?
Somebody finds a cave with the face of a
man, that's not what the mission has
said. But tonight I'm going to take
this
what do you
do with the dark in parts of Adam where
you don't see anything about parts of
Adam. So it doesn't sound like we're
discussing a mission.
It's partial says the
what must the second case of the price
to be discussing by
not the Easter of
we're not talking about our mission our
mission of we're talking about the
mission of Rosh Hashanah. We're talking
about making a parts of who came to
and it's fact that Yeshua said that
you're not allowed to make the parts of
of a human being. You can make the parts
of of
any other creature but not the parts of
of a human being. We'll see why. But the
bottom line is Rashi says the come on
the we're going to get to it later in
the
but for right now that must be what the
second case is talking about. But the
says
but if the second case is talking about
then the third case is probably also
talking about
meaning call that to rise car and you
can make the of
of anything but you can't make the of a
dark where do you find you can't make
dark
what must the last case of the price to
be talking about the
the price that says it's
not talking about making a dark because
there is no way to make a dark. It must
be talking about if you found a cave and
it had on it the of a dark
it's going to be all the except for
dark. What's the precedent for that? Our
mission okay the
cave of Adam with the hammer
The law here is that it's going to be
also. We need the etc. So it's also
so the mission that says
is also and that's probably what the
safe is again. You had a price over here
where the price is at three
all is except for hammer of Adam. All
parts of
except for Adam. And all is except for
dark. The ratio presumably is talking
about What does it mean mutar also?
Mitzsei, we're talking about the laws of
avodah zarah. Somebody found kayli and
it has the picture of mazalois, it's
mutar except for cham al avon. That
That's the only thing it can mean.
The mitzsei assur that says kol ha
partzuf is mutar except for partzuf adam
is not talking about avodah zarah cuz
you don't find anywhere that there's a
halacha that if you find a kayli that
has a picture of a man it's going to be
assur for avodah zarah. What it probably
means is the halacha of Rav Yehudah bar
Rav Yeshua, we're talking about the
issur of making something, creating a
tzura. Lo sasoni ti, lo sasoni oisi,
kidlusi, that's probably what it's
talking about. That's partzuf adam we
find is assur. And then the last case
that says kol ha tzura is mutar chutz mi
pas darkon, that again is probably
talking about our mishna because there's
no issur to make a darkon yet we have a
m'foresh mishna that says if you find a
kayli with the tzura of darkon it's
going to be assur. So what are you left
with? Reisha v'seifa b'mitzsei u'mitzsei
assur b'eisa? It's a hard braisa, that's
why Rav Seishes collected it. So Rav
Seishes, what's going on? The first part
is talking about the laws of avodah
zarah. The second part of the braisa is
talking about the halachos of maseches
Rosh Hashanah of lo sasoni ti. And then
the third case again is talking about
bein adam l'avodah zarah. I'm going to
buy you incorrect. Reisha v'seifa
b'mitzsei u'mitzsei assur b'eisa. Rav
Huna bar Rav Yehudah said a different
shita, kulah b'mitzsei. Really the whole
braisa is discussing our mishna. What
was the one problem? The mitzsei assur.
What was the issue with the mitzsei
assur? Mitzsei assur said that if you
find a kayli, the way Rav Huna is
understanding the braisa, and it has on
it the partzuf of an adam, it's going to
be assur. Our mishna said cham al avon
and darkon. The braisa now was saying
cham al avon in the reisha, darkon in
the seifa, and it's adding adam in the
mitzsei assur. So Rav Huna is another
tanna, u'mitzsei assur Rav Yehudah tanna
d'bei Rav Yehudah moisef af musminik.
Rav Yehudah was moisef, if somebody
finds a kayli and has on it the picture
of a woman that's nursing or basar apis
or a a master or a sar, as in here we
have it with a samach but as if it's a
sar with a sin, a sar that's
giving people food, the halacha is those
tzurois are also considered kosher. We
assume that the person was worshipping
those tsuras, and the halacha is,
they're going to be awesome. The reason
is,
the idea of menika is al shem
that was menika,
it's a reference to her. Sar apis al
shem Sar apis al kulai.
Yosef tzadik who supported the world,
thus it has a we look at it as if it's
considered
a caveat. It is
the only time the Sar apis is considered
a tsura, it's considered
is if this person is actually holding a
he's actually supporting he did not
communicate. The only time a nurse, a
woman that nurses is considered
something is if she's holding a child
and she's physically nursing, but the
bottom line is the whole
said is talking about our halachas, so
whereas our missioner said
What's the fourth? It has the tsura of a
menika or the tsura of a Sar apis, a
woman that's nursing a child or a a
person of of power that's supporting his
underlings. Same idea, but the bottom
line is that would also be something
that once upon a time the pagans used to
worship. Exhale.
So before we end, just to go back and
speak out one other halacha regarding
the sugia of
stam. Yesterday, you know, we went
through spent about 45 minutes going
through the sugia a little bit as it
relates to the halacha of Yisrael, akum,
stam, companies that are in our country,
and
the feeling was that, you know,
obviously in order to properly
understand the sugia, you have to go
through the Gemara. So the learns these
Gemaras once every seven and a half
years, so
we're not going to go through it now.
When else are we going to have the time
to go through it? And really we
mentioned that you know there's a
Mishnah obviously that says
is assur. Then there's Mishnah
that says
is going to be muttar. And there was a
big discussion in the Rishonim and and
later in in the Acharonim, the Pri
Chadash and the Radvaz and the Chasam
Sofer and many many many other gedolim
that discussed what would be the halacha
if you had chalav
shechut b'yom akum the Indian straw but
there's a very strong umdana that
there's no chalav tamei that was
nistarif in this. And the reason is
because you live in a shtetl where there
wasn't a beheima temeia to be found. As
far as we know, it's almost
beyond the realm of possibility that
there would be a taruvus of of chalav
tamei which was the sibas issur of
chalav akum in the first place. So the
question is in that case would it be
muttar or would it be assur? So the Pri
Chadash said that it would be muttar. He
says that the Radvaz wrote a teshuvah
about it as well. He says that he was
noheg eating in Amsterdam himself. He
saw people there were a few kedoshim
that were nistar but most people that
were not were not. The Chasam Sofer came
very very strong on this Pri Chadash.
And the Chasam Sofer says that yeah that
kehilla that the Pri Chadash found in
Amsterdam was a Portuguese kehilla. They
followed the minhag of the Radvaz but as
relates to the Ashkenazi world it's
pasht
that based on the Mordechai and the
Rabbenu Peretz and the Sha'arei Durah
and Rashi and the Chasam Sofer said it's
a Rashi and Abodah Zarah and chalav akum
and alif. And he said it's pasht that
when the chachamim asked the chalav akum
they asked it as a davar sheb'minyan and
even if you can tell me svara why you
think there's no shocher it doesn't
matter. It's just like gevinah. Gevinah
akum is assur even if they're not maymin
b'kashrus because it's a davar
sheb'minyan. Right? Davar sheb'minyan is
assur. The tamei could be battel the
issur is still going to be kayem. It's
in that same vein the Chasam Sofer held
that chalav akum even if there's no
chashash at all it's going to be assur.
He spoke after the Rosh Hashanah very
very clearly. He said at the end of the
day roiv gedolei Yisrael poskim held
like the Chasam Sofer not like the Pri
Chadash. He doesn't mention the Pri
Chadash and the Chasam Sofer by name but
he says that roiv gedolei Schorr held
the shittas of the Chasam Sofer that
it's minyan and it's for that reason he
says you have to be machmir and he was
koid to tohorah. I listen to him and he
even told a story about someone who was
meikel and he found out afterwards that
he was being machshil on macholos. So
the bottom line is is that the past this
certainly the minig ashkenaz was that
you go al derech the Chasam Sofer not al
derech the Pri Chodosh. Stating that Rav
Moshe wrote a a game changing teshuvah.
Rav Moshe wrote a teshuvah and the first
teshuvah that Rav Moshe wrote printed in
Yoreh De'ah it was siman ches gimmel
siman mem ches mem tes where Rav Moshe
said that today in America
it's different. And really
people misquote the teshuvah, but if you
understand the teshuvah properly Rav
Moshe was trying to say was that today
in America because when people buy milk
products they're not buying it from some
mom and pop farmer, but rather they're
buying it from
some company some corporation that's
governed by the federal government USDA
FDA. There's inspections etc. etc.
There's an umden demuchach. There's a
mirsas. There's an anansa chadi which
Rav Moshe proved from different sugias
and chazal bleeds keriah ba'almah. We're
clear that there's no way in the world
there's taruvos of of cholov tamei. And
Rav Moshe held that that anansa chadi
was much stronger than anything the Pri
Chodosh and the Chasam Sofer ever
discussed. Meaning Pri Chodosh and the
Chasam Sofer were discussing when there
was no beheima temeiah in the shuk.
I hear. It meant that chances are there
was no taruvos of of cholov tamei. But
Rav Moshe felt that the mirsas that
exists today is even more than that.
That mirsas is keriah. It creates such a
level of certainty that there's no
taruvos of cholov tamei that it's as if
we saw the milk
being milked. We literally watched it
throughout its process until it got
wrapped in the wrapper and you actually
ate it. And Rav Moshe said if that's the
case then I don't have to come on to a
Pri Chodosh. We don't have to go kineged
the Chasam Sofer. Who are we to be
being actually right? We don't have to
go down that road. But today all of
companies is all of Israel.
It's all of Israel because the
definition of all of Israel is either
it's all of
Israel or all of Israel
the Israel
and if all of Israel
is all of Israel today is
creates
says in the clearly just have to take a
look go through it like a mensch. That's
what was saying. He says
all of Israel
says very very clearly it's going to be
because all of
Israel is going to be somebody told me I
heard this from a kosher
he said that he once thought to say that
you know people have a not to eat all of
Israel as the Israel. But the if you
hold like could be there's no even for
such a because all of Israel is all OF
ISRAEL. SO IF the is you're going to be
all of
Israel let's say okay so all of Israel
be all of Israel
for the all of Israel all of Israel
but that's not what you're doing.
All of Israel wasn't saying be all of
Israel. All of Israel
was
saying that today in America all that
literature everything that we have all
the that were written are not applicable
to a certain degree because today
everything changed the
all of Israel
creates real. So it it's all of Israel.
It's it's all of
Israel
which is all of Israel. Either way that
was all of Israel but the emphasis is
that all of Israel himself said and and
the reality is is that many many many
many
tremendous
they don't eat they don't eat all of
Israel and
they're not and and the reason they
don't is different reasons. Some people
don't want to be all of Israel. Then all
of Israel
and and they don't want to be all of
Israel.
It's not all of Israel
they don't want to they don't want to go
all of Israel or all of Israel himself
said
all of Israel. All of Israel
himself already opened up the door for
their being the word of somebody feeling
that he doesn't want to take on the
cooler and he wants to be
additionally in the specifically in the
crisis is different
as it relates to the
so just really
bring out the other side so to speak I
think it's to speak out of
and this is
it's the
Jewish holidays calendar of
which I think is a is a very nice liquid
so to speak of the
says
yes
I mean it's
people that rely on the
people
who rely on the
people who rely on the spoke to that
yesterday the said it as well I didn't
say it as
but definitely said everything said
yes that was the I heard
going
that's all
P
the
told him to
avoid the
elderly
or you're allowed to
motion didn't say that said that but I
have starts with the
which is essentially over and that the
said that he only meant it for the
elderly
he also only meant it for the elderly
if there's some level of
then you could do it so that's the first
thing said he wanted to go with this
cooler if you're being
on the
the only meant it in those circumstances
that's number one number two he says you
do
the
said they
said
I believe
we just spoke out the grow with regards
to my
master
with the grow they bring the
and the grow said because anytime the
when
the time of
specifically
that was the context of my grow
We stand up in the truth is discussing
my McGovern, but he said there's always
the time Nikola and there's the time
mister, but there's many, many, many
time and that's why they going said that
even though the Shash my McGovern is no
longer applicable, but that's
because you know, there's no Hashim of
an angel, but there's the time minister.
The time minister is applicable. So says
McGovern come
back on the inner time machine call of
Tommy the bottom. Hello
again today the son of
the idea of McGovern was also related to
being marvelous.
The value of God again or the whole of
God after the mirror. So there was like
a huge volume component to the whole of
of McGovern.
The same of a board comes at all.
The way near a time to
machine
call of Tommy. The course of
McGovern and that piece of McGovern as
well. The McGovern McGovern of the world
and the nation of McGovern in the day
that's the McGovern that we reference.
So number two says McGovern there's
always there's always the time Nikola
and then there's the time mister. So
from the time mister perspective, from
the time mister perspective, you have
the idea like the guy is going to want
to drink McGovern McGovern so
McGovern McGovern we spoke about
different time and even though maybe
there's more that
worried about is irrelevant as my name
and he said still you have to watch my
McGovern because there's always a time
mister. So the time mister be here and
he snatches that there's a McGovern from
McGovern in the name of his the board
time that it was related with a huge
volume thing. Even though we went to the
it was clear that it's not from the huge
volume. It wasn't mission it was mission
call of Tommy. It wasn't young and was,
but there's a McGovern that it was
related to that in the time mister, not
in the time Nikola based on that says
McGovern that's another reason you have
to be McGovern. Then he says the age of
McGovern out of Easter McGovern the
McGovern McGovern McGovern McGovern
McGovern. the ball
is so much
putting
it in
the office
very very very sharp and he says at the
end
I don't even want to
end off by saying what he says he says
he says very very sharp
in terms of the idea but either way
what he's saying is number one has
help don't just be so it's true it's a
true
he said you love him and he said
he wouldn't be
but he felt that
he felt that
companies in Medina somebody you could
be
but it was only
but it wasn't
he wasn't willing to be mad at said
additionally you have the whole idea of
the time mister and the fact that it
relates to
we have a
from
in terms of what the time was
he said in the name of
and then he brings from the
who said that there's a
that someone drinks
from the pure standpoint
but at the same time there is an idea
but the
truth is
that he wrote in 1972
where the was they wanted to know is it
okay should they serve companies or
maybe they should spend the extra money
and serve Israel so much told them to to
serve better Israel he said
let the children know that there's an
idea of being of being when it comes to
that's the truth of what would respond
would say that it's Israel when
if you make and you eat
whole of companies. You're not eating
whole of that. Whole of that one is
putting them in the moon up. And
you eat whole of companies. Again, this
is a way above my pay grade, but you
know, yesterday we got all excited. We
spoke out of shiva that many, many of
cloud Israel are are are saying
certainly all the machine in America
that give
on whole of some products that all say
on the most of shiva, but of course,
there are many, many that are and
leave it at that.