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[Music] [Music] [Music] Good morning, have a nice afternoon. Good evening, welcome to the Jewish Jam, the podcast of the Jewish music industry. Wow, what an episode awaits us today. We have a father here. I think of the fathers as founders. Brother, not really like that. Really like that. As if I could say that this is one of the people I grew up with. His voice and his songs that played for me for years as a child. Even if you don't know him, you're sure to know him. You understand. You don't know him. You haven't met the character. No, you know. This is the scenery of your childhood. Introduce him. His father. Introduce him. My teachers and gentlemen. Do you want to be a philanthropist? How are you? How do you like him? [Laughter] This is the coffee. I've already used some. There's more. A. Introduce him. And gentlemen. We're here with you today. Ilan. I'll say yes. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Guys. Thank you very much for the warm welcome. Amen. Amen. To life. Gilan. First of all, life. Thank you for investing. And you came from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Wow. Oh, the truth. It's like it's much less difficult than I thought. What's a train? It's a missile. Brother. An amazing train. Listen. Just get on the train. Get to Jerusalem. You know. I didn't say I've already arrived. I'm asking the subjects. What are we already in Jerusalem? At the station. They tell me yes. How long did it take? 40 minutes something like that bro it's crazy amazing and I said we lived and we held on I'm telling you this is the first time [laughter] I've also done the bridal train in Jerusalem for the first time, sure ah first time yes what are you saying but there's madness full of people you don't understand what you hear this is really the redemption the same temple you understand yes you have trains you have it also you saw the train station there I was there for the first time last week on the train in Yitzhak Navon there too I told you bro this is it in the ground the temples bro in the hills bro this is amazing amazing will remain good power let's move on move on I want to talk to him about trains bro what do you care yes yes we'll expand later we'll expand later on the subject of the train Azilan Demari yes come on I'll just give in the title I'm really Ilan I'll just give in the title what I know in a little while he expanded on all of this for us but as far as Ian as far as Ian it's the stairs that I don't know how many albums the stairs have I don't ah we managed to release five albums yeah wow and a few more singles after we came out a the first album we started working on In my opinion, in 93, you know, Arot and I went through a kind of process. I was three years old. I wasn't even born yet. I was three years before you were born. Shai. People keep telling me, listen, what's this? We grew up on your music. We grew up on this. And I look at people and I say, what does this mean? You grew up on us. It just happened yesterday. [Laughter] What's 93? As if you don't understand? We met in the area of 89. And I'm in BC. BC. Wait a minute. Enough for us. But Seder, do us a minute from the beginning because we, the younger generation, really don't know each other enough. Okay, so I'm from the beginning, okay, the whole history in chapters, a. After the army I arrived in Tel Aviv, my dream was to make music and it was such a distant dream, because it was, you know, Larry Keinstein, Shalom Hanoch. Wait, where did you grow up? You grew up like I grew up in the north, in Hatzor HaGalilit, as a child. As a child. Walla . And then you did part of high school in a high school yeshiva somewhere in Kiryat Shmuel, Walla, yes, not my organic place at all, but you know, the brothers and the tradition, I also arrived at the end of the 10th grade, I think we went back to Hatzor, all sorts of internal issues, and they closed the boarding school, and we had to go back to Hatzor, and then I studied there, and I joined the army, I came to Tel Aviv, but I was always around music, but it's not something you're aware of. You grew up in Hatzor, Galilee, you don't interest anyone, like, you know, go work in a factory, work in agriculture, or work in education, that's already wow, so you know, dreams of music and art are not something you can get feedback on or that anyone will tell you that you're talented in anything, so I, you know, did what I love, but without any, but you really did music in practice, or like it was mostly music in practice, but that's between me and myself, and also in the neighborhood, you know, there was a family that I used to jam with all the time, you [snorts of contempt] also play, or mostly sing, I mostly sing, but you know a little guitar. Harmonica, percussion instrument, a little bit of everything, a little bit of a moment. The harmonica on the album, let's say on the road, this is it, you, I play, yes or I can't. Why didn't you bring the harmonica? No, I did n't know you wanted me to play. Listen, I made a mistake. How did I not tell him? I didn't know that if I had come with the car, there would have been a harmonica. But no, Benjamin, you have harmonicas here. I didn't know that you play the harmonica. No, I didn't imagine that I also got to play the shofar in one of the songs on the album. You know, these are intuitive things that you grow up with and you don't know that you can do it. Wow, so let's say in this song, the path, I'll play it, with God's help, you played it very beautifully. So this is something that happened spontaneously. I said to him, do you want to make a harmonica or something? And I will try. And you know, I wrote so intuitively. And that's something that all my music is intuitive about. Before I studied music, I made music. I always tell the students I teach in Psalm that you know you're not allowed to say that, but I tell them I first made music and then I studied. Then I took the harmonica and played it and it came out like this is what came out and wow it's not something I wrote notes for and it's just you know from the inside like this I think in general the entire first album of the Stairs came out like this oh we'll continue my stops as if I arrived in Tel Aviv and in Tel Aviv oh after about two or three years I met Hodar mutual friends and Jim Jamano we saw that it was good we said we'll continue to meet that we were both in the process of repentance. this is. So, please sort this out for me. Like you and I were born into a religious home. Okay . But I came back as if I wouldn't say anything in the question, but as if I had cut myself off from the matter of Torah and mitzvot in the army. Not because of the army, because I wanted to. Yes, let's not give the army a bad name. And because it suited me. Because I wanted to make music, I wanted to make art. How nice of you to say that, brother. Cut this sentence, bro, about taking out a reserve for the army, amazing, first time I hear it, bro, amazing, always, you can always, you can, no, the army period, you know, we'll play, no, it's a spiritual excuse, like, the most rude, wow, no, it's forbidden to say that I wo n't give the army a bad name, bro, look, look, what a sentence, bro, I'm crying for a second here, no, it's especially difficult that we're in a very sensitive period to recruit for Gigiz, yes, yes, no, that's why I'm saying it, but I'm not taking a position either, you know, not political, but in my feeling, the army can also be a great incubator for strengthening, and on the contrary, it gives you a much, much higher light. So I met with Hood, it was in the 89th area, we were both in the process of getting closer, but we didn't know about each other. And he also said to me, "Listen, I hear you sing beautifully, and that's it, come on." Now he still had a very rich musical past. He produced Poplex, he produced Adam, Adam's performances, worked with Sharon Mol Doi, Yermi Kaplan, all sorts of stuff. He was in touch with Ri from Zarashad. He was like the discovery of the 1960s because he also produced things in the same spirit of the era. And he's a guitarist, right? Amazing guitarist. Amazing guitarist again. Tris and even then he was a music producer actually yes he is you know as a kid it seems to me one of the first to deal with computer software and editing and it was already like a computer he is really among the first but he went through Portrak made sketches for let's say all kinds of bands Portrak people flew and walla he really is like the talent now it should be mentioned that Hod is the brother of Iggy Dayan the drummer of Mashina and Naor Dayan a guitarist known for the honor and glory of what is called a truly founding musical family I two months ago I did recordings with Iggy on his new album listen this is wow this is really you see people who listen to music from other regions so I will need the matter more and I and I met because we saw that it was good and there was a really fun jam session he plays I alter melodies and when we got stronger in the process of getting closer, still no answer, you know, a we had a friend who had a studio from Harold Studios in Kikar Hamedina, he heard us, told us, "Take the studio, do a taklit." And we did a whole thing there, you know, content that was n't related to Jewish orientation. And when we got closer, we shelved all the texts and replaced some, rewrote some, and the first album, first of all we made an album, we didn't know that this thing was going to be an album at all. We did the whole album, most of it, we did it at Hod's house on 12-bit, and then we made singing tapes with Moshe Dabul in Ramot Hashabim, and Tzafi Haran was in good contact with Nitzan Zira Ra, and he said to him, "Listen, I heard what the composition of the Stairs is and I want to put them together already. So you called it the Stairs. When the album came out, it was already the Stairs. Yes, what was the first album? The first album, At the Doorstep, on the road, where it used to be, Kiona, and it feels like Tali Kiona, and all that in a year, what year did it happen? 93, no, it came out. Let's say that on the album At the Doorstep, we worked from 97 to uh, until it came out, until uh, 97 to the end of the beginning of 2000, and in 2000 it came out. Oh, so he's not that old, so what did you say? Oh, in 93 you met Ood. In 89 I met Ood. Oh, so what happened in 97? 10 years ago, 10 years ago, we were jamming and in 1997 we decided that we were doing 10 Years of Jamming together. We had fun and then Listen came out. And then Elbo came out. It was like every song in her name is a shell, like, but what are you doing during this time? Like, what are you doing? At first, I was working. I was involved in fashion design. You know, yes, I understand. You have it. Oh, I love aesthetics. You know, as soon as a person is insecure about his true mission, he goes for the things that are at hand. Oh my god, how can he tell me that? Listen, he says, if you look, he says, if I, if I can't make it there, I have an alibi, it's not mine, I passed by, I'm a passerby. No, no, no. But if you say this, this is what your soul wants, but you say, "Wait, I'm not ready now, because I feel confident, I'll meet you in a year, two years. But that same point keeps knocking on your door in the morning. What's happening? What's happening? When do you do it? When do you do it? Wow. And until you grab your coffee in tears, you say, "That's it, I'm not, I'm not running away from it, I'm doing it, and I'm, I'm like throwing Yavi away, and I'm on a path that I have no idea how I'm going to do it. Wow. And you got that coffee? Yes. Yes, there was one day that I worked in a store. The clothing store was Isaac Rosenbaum, may his memory be blessed. We were in North Dizengoff. He did men's design, but he was one of the first in the country. He was like a Tel Avivian salesman like that. And I got to him somehow. I also learned a little bit about design. Then I learned about the year of the demts. Anyway, when I felt that it was already so much that I wasn't, I wasn't, my soul didn't want it. So I went upstairs to a room where we were like packing up the goods, cutting out all the things, you know, from a factory. I took the guitar and played, you know, the simplest way, and I play, and suddenly, first of all, I miss prayers, I miss synagogue, and I miss my soul. I want music, and that's where the tris fell on me. I said, "That's where I am. I'm going down the path of music, and I know that I'm going to focus on that." I have no idea who I'm meeting, how I'm going to do it. You know, because it was a dream. But I say that the moment a person opens up inside and awakens to his truest point, that's the most enormous prayer, there's no way he doesn't accept what he really said inside. It's as if they opened a small door for me, there's a heavenly company, and that's what happened. After a week, not two weeks, Hod came to the store with mutual friends, we went to my room, we got on the phone, and things started to unfold. Wow, what 's the message with all this monologue that we, as artists, need to be really sticky and not do because we want to get there, not do because we want to be like that. You know, today is very, very, very tempting. You also want to be, oh, and realistic, you want to be discovered. Through TikTok or whatever and you often try to create the thing that will do the job. And I say it very modestly, unequivocally, it doesn't come from there. The more you are loyal to that point that you listen to inside and be loyal to it, it's like a woman who will bear you children later, wow, and you do n't have to be afraid of a period that is in a drought that is a wasteland, well, what's going on, what's going on, what will happen, do you think, but excuse me for asking from the height of your age, I say this, yes, you think that today's generation talks about it as if the ripening time is 10 more, bro, it's been 11 years since you met and started jamming until this thing happens, right, bro, it's an 11-year pregnancy, as if that's right, do you think that this generation can even contain, as if careers end in 11 years, you understand, you understand what I'm saying, clearly, you're raising a very, very important point here, and with your hand on your heart, this is not reality. Reality today is completely different and a person can really explode in an instant. And we just grew up into a different reality. We sold CDs, we're still on the first album. We took out brides, we did a show with Benjamin. So someone says that she had a tape of the stairs, I told her, a tape. Did you have the tape of the stairs? You know and today it doesn't happen today everything you know you you Mr. opens a camera plays and but still the legality of the essence still you don't you won't stop for someone that you don't feel is bringing something real or is renewing something for you you or we created another one or you know you won't listen you don't you won't stop you will stop if let's say for the sake of it he will play some kind of thing and leave some kind of thing and I hear in his voice a different color or you give for the sake of it I will stop I say wow what is this thing so there is a leap forward today obviously but still you will see that all the explosions happened along the way anyway no one planned to go viral it happened they filmed him by the way suddenly he played something and he didn't think most of these cases that explode you will see that there is some very real point of essence there. Interesting. But to tell you if this is the path they will take people who created Not necessarily today. But yes, they will have to really prepare tools to deal with the exposure. What are the thoughts that are occupying your mind? That means we are working on an album, we will release the album and what will happen as if we did n't think about an album again, I, you know, we did it from the most innocent place, I told him before the podcast, we sowed in a land that had not been sown, something that we didn't know how much it would sprout, how much it would happen, and I know that we worked from a kind of desire to do what we feel, and it somehow connected as if reality pushed us to do it, and when it came out, oh, it will resonate very, very strongly, if, if I'm not mistaken, in the 2000s, I'm not mistaken, there were a lot of pirate radio stations, there was Radio Breslov, Radio 2000, all the soul, all the silence, all the you know, all the voices, and they flew on the first album and they played, we played it nonstop, and this and this and this and this, let's say it had some crazy organic exposure . Today, it's like nostalgia, romance, it doesn't happen, but we We were lucky that it happened to us and really songs seemed to resonate very, very strongly and there were it was it also had a translation for it like for performances and such like yes it must have been a strong period like sure as soon as they write about you and as a writer yes I will tell you I seem to remember from around 2000 like this I was a son of R as if it was a sort it was like the great singers I don't know what was Fried Shuki Ben David I don't know if Shuki has already arrived it was maybe Karlich festivals all this thing yes it was Karlich in them right it was like I do n't know what Chaim David was strong at the time a Chaim David right Serchik you remember already yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes oh and there wasn't that much room for original Jewish music right a in the style of the stairs as if it felt to me as if it was between the chairs as if the world wasn't ready for this thing yet right right on the other hand right you say you say right because as if we pretty much fell between the chairs but they couldn't ignore it anymore because as soon as reality hits it the audience as if they hear it and our CDs sold well so we couldn't ignore it So you know, then they broadcast us live on Channel Seven in Breslov and slowly we also entered the network G and Glitz Tzel and Glitz and you're used to it. Of course it happened. You understand, like a thing is how to say it. You know, when you say things that come from the heart penetrate a thousand times into the heart. So that's it. Look, there's no formula here that you can crack and say, do A and B, it will happen. It does n't happen. It happens if it happens. You did something very real and you really brought it. You brought it from a place of complete innocence. So either it happens or it doesn't happen. Just know. This morning I opened something on my phone and said, " I'll read it to you." Oh, come on. Oh, they wash me every morning like this from the Rebbe's holy books. But this is it. This is not missionary. Do you have something to do with Chabad? Yes, more and more recently, I'm like, not dead. We touched. We touched some Chabad wedding. What are all the songs? Oh, I must have been. I swam like a fish. Yes, so he tells us, listen. Not like that. Well, like that. He's like that. You know, his children. We didn't know where we were. Like, yes, you see. Look look but look what oh no this where this oh these segments remember me this holiday you now I have where in you remember there was Channel Seven also today they broadcast they had a radio very so a so at the time also spontaneously I quoted something by Rabbi Kook that a person needs to oh realize his talents and his art walla not to think yes very something strong no matter but here is a letter about a person to utilize his talents as much as possible and what phenomenon will not harm him in this work, we are not allowed to have some kind of depression on him. Wow. And even if he is God forbid who has worked for several years in vain as it seems to the eyes of the flesh he must continue vigorously and happily in his holy work and finally he will surely succeed. Wow what a reinforcement brother what a reinforcement. Now I know that many people work, work hard, record, invest a lot of money in distribution and this and this and this do not seek all kinds of this and this and this does not happen. So here the Rebbe gives us here wow a little reinforcement also this is not necessarily with you a in the eyes of people brother it is really success also internal of a person listen I made an album in 2 conversations that I said everything is fine in 2019 I think a personal album yes you are called a few more ads you know punk rock and this is things that I really wanted to do I really love right you told me this unknown was a commercial failure like something I did two shows maybe with this album and this is an album that I really love so they asked me what not that I said from my point of view I am so happy that I did it and no matter how much I spent of course because as soon as I succeeded some kind of a mask I said I could not do without without a hood let's say to make a mistake I was very very very stuck in this slot of the stairs that we fast and only that way we will make taglitim and suddenly another turn you know life took it not other areas a break of about a year two years and I was very afraid to make an album alone I said what if I fail what will the vocalist of the stairs say on the face not good what is this thing not again I listened to my heart I did from my point of view it was a success because I got over a mask that I was afraid to cross and that is success in my eyes it is success bro this is a root success wow you You understand very well that you are successful, some kind of mask that you will call a glass that you build for yourself and you are sorry why you are not worthy why you can't who determined who what like because people let's say you hold them tell you listen it's still not good enough it's there are stories I like everyone I know great artists that no one wanted to hear from them and didn't want to sign them they went with no with their heads against the wall but you know they did what their heart said they succeeded in a big way wait a minute I want to go back to the steps a lot yes a lot of the younger generation like you know no what what exactly did they sign you what exactly did you work with you as a duo like I think today there aren't many guys who talk what you walked the rails the story of bands you understand like of the bands of a you know it's something a bit of a time like from the past what you held in your head right yes what what did you plan what did you think like that what a what would you not even say strategy but how how did you move within it you understand because in the end you made how many five albums you said in the end we made five five albums you understand there is some here A period of time, how did you move with it? So like I said, we sowed the first album without knowing what would come out of the seed, and it, thank God, sprouted and bore a lot of fruit. And this album, in my opinion, sold over 20,000 copies. It's amazing. And that's actually why I say over 20,000. Because I know in black and white from the companies that distributed us, you know, I had to do everything myself. So I counted every CD that was sold. I remember that I reached about 12,000 copies, and it was something that you could make a profit from. Oh, trouble and a lot of burning. So it was a period of burning. What is burning on the right and on the left? I estimate that it reached this amount. So I'll continue. Who is Nitznan Zira? Nitzan Zira? He is Nana Disk. Oh, Nana Disk. Okay, he manages Prisakharov. All of this. And he managed a lot of bands. He's like in his rock 'n' roll music. In Israeli rock, he's very active. He's been involved in many things. You know, in life, things, things, things. Yesterday Aron Razel spoke, explain to me what Nana Disk is. So, he told you yesterday that he was doing something to me. Yes, Berry Sakharov there and that's it. [Laughter] I'm like that. Yes, Nana Disk. Berry Sakharov. People already thought that until people already thought that you knew him. It's Nadisk. Yesterday I understood what Nadisk is. [Laughter] So, Nana Disk is Nitzan's girlfriend. Sorry for the honesty. Oh, and Nitzan, he really did a lot. He's like Yoav Kutner, but in production, Yoav Kutner collects a lot of artists. And Nitzan did a smart thing. He started a label called Mayim, original Vedic music. Walla. Yes, later it was alternative music. Later it became Jewish-Israeli music. And today it's mainstream. No, everyone's writing and quoting all kinds. I remember something. Water. It rings. Remember something. Yes, I remember. Water. And this is this thing. It was Peres Knafaim. And it really succeeded organically. We didn't think. We didn't have a strategy. To your question, there was no strategy. We just did it. We finished it. We finished the album. Singles. Cheers. Like that. Out on radio stations. Piracy I think we released Odeh Lahel and maybe later we released Ebr Kiona I don't remember what it is Odeh Lahel Odel Alone the researcher we released it because it was the first song we finished. Think we worked on 12 bit today on your cell phone it's more powerful than the computer that was for Odeh. So a and things just happened you know. They spread their wings like that naturally and the second album was already you know there were already people's opinions. What do you need to do? Whatever it was what aspires to? What was n't? The album the second album was Maayan Haim. Oh Maayan Haim. Life is not this on the road oh it's on the road oh sorry Maayan Haim is this a spring of life inside the heart of a person binding and pouring it out it brings me back to Yesh Na Lin his guitar is very beautiful yes songs with a lot of atmosphere like that like that in the end you understand and an album aspires I have to say something about this period also of Jewish music in general I don't I don't remember how many who was parallel with you as if it was oh more can you mention them clearly can you mention what who who started then I don't know about the defenses, there was Adiran Adiror, there was Adiran, there was Sinai Tor, it seems to me a little later, there was Adiran, there was Ben-Hashemeshot, Aaron Razel, Aaron Yair Gedasi, Yair Gedasi, this is the father of this Adiran, we said yes, ah, ah, Yair Gedasi, this is the father of Shir David Gedasi, yes, ah, wow, who, ah, is Gedasi, what's his name, ah, and I should also mention that it seems to me that the first swallow that sounded like a quarter to seven, also a quarter to seven, but Yosef Cardoner then released Shir LaMa'alot, released his album Shir LaMa'alot, but it's like it was already to some kind of orientation, he always sounded Hasidic, but there was some orientation, like folklore, like this, like another kind of song, this Shir HaMa'alot, it became a song, like there's no one in the country who doesn't know it, like it's something crazy, like it's like a master of the world, like it's really a classic, and then Ed Hamma did it with us by force, it's already been more like 2005, I think, yes, we're going back, so in this period, it's me asking first of all a question as a fashion advice. What do you think about A's shark? We'll turn it on. He's a pair of pliers. It's probably a skeet. It's my pajamas. Dude. Why are pajamas one? No. Because he invested in it and he talked about it a lot and it's important. It's important for him to get a professional degree. I liked it. I liked it. Really liked it. Another question. It's a pita. Feed me. Yes, sorry. I only know who it is. It's an abbreviation for Ilan. But I have something that interests me. A moment after all this thing about A. The stairs. It's actually the name of the band. Where did you go out to the march? It's more of Ilan's. I mean, A. Because yes, we got to see you and meet you as an as- serf. I'll tell you. These are things that at first we didn't like to say. But you know, there's nothing we can do. We have to tell the truth. And everything's fine. Come on. In 2012, I'm skipping stations a bit. In 2012, Nitzan Ziran. Nitzan Ziran turned to us and said, "Listen, there's a world festival in Jerusalem. There's going to be a very, very big show in all of the culture. The big one in Jerusalem. What's it called? What's Bani Umma? No, Bani Umma. There's another place like that. The Sultan's Hat. Don't exaggerate. What do you know? A place like that for performances. Such a respectable place. Art is more choose one doesn't matter throws what as if it has its weight auditor like this oh there is a shrine what not is it in Tel Aviv not at all there is also one like this in Jerusalem there is a no I know what you're talking about oh you know what I'm talking about a no this museum yes something like that magnificent like this from this vision changes Nitzan came to us I said listen they want a concept album that in the end there will be a performance only my songs Ben Ezra Ben Ezer period thought we had an experience with a piyutim album because we did Shoaf in 2007 Berry Sakharov he has an album by Ivan Ezra Berry Sakharov did Edumi Hashfatot this is from Abe Ben Ezer this is from Ivan Gabirol oh Ben Gabirol sorry amazing album yes yes oh Rukich did a real job there Parton it was an exit um and also by the way he also did Shefal Rooh who Berry Berry Shefal Rooh no you walked on the stairs [laughter] we did Shefal Rooh Shefal Ror [singing] and how wow what song is this woo hoo these are crazy songs take You know that better than Derek, who has a spirit that blesses and a place ahead of you, fear. Yes, I remember. I praise him. I'm sweet. In short, then, Bree. But during the period when we did A, I'm like going back because [laughs] we did this Piyutim album in 2007 and it created some kind of buzz and there are also stories like that. Oh, and in that same period, Ehud Bree made Micha Shitrit. Lior Elmaleh made a Piyutim album. Suddenly, there was a concept in such Piyutims. But you asked, like, why did I go? I went. Like, how did you go on your own path? And that's right. So in 2012, as I started telling the story, Nitzan contacted us and said, "They want a concept album of songs only by Rabbi Avraham of Ben Ezra. You want to do it. I'm financing the production of the album. You'll make the album. You'll have a very big time. We'll host Ehud Benny. Oh, what's the name of the snake fish? Oh, Abraham, Tel, Lad, Snake Fish, Kafra? I do n't remember. Oh, great hip hop. Yoo bless me God Fish Oh no no Fish Oh the fish Snake Well we don't live by this No no it's forbidden I don't need to make predictions Need to make predictions No it doesn't matter Azures Edit it because it's a joke Not knowing is not bad Wait a minute Double Abraham Let whoever was with him No Abraham is drinking a prophecy Drink a prophecy Drink a prophecy The confused prophecy Come on I got carried away with the bike I have here Oh no we don't have to Well it's sweeter than honey It's not that you say and we say Oh no you say Oh okay of course you say Oh I'm already preparing it Make him the sticker song In the meantime Well what's there a name like that Both of them right Oh what is the big Fishy Shaanan Street Shaanan Shaanan Street Well you know him Say Oh no I know my name is Shaanan And you don't know him Anan Aluf He's one of the real Ah wait a minute Shaanan is who is Ah we appreciated him in this show Shaanan You are Ehud Benny Lior Elmaleh And Shlomi Shaban And Albert Tamar A Sorry if I forgot someone It was a really big show album and this [snorting contempt] And after that big one that we made an album of course there was a show we came out of the blue and it's a really good album a little different from the things we did and he didn't, he didn't spread his wings it didn't work as if he was completely ignored and he was really, really disappointed with this thing as if his heart was broken by it and he said to me Ilan listen I worked really hard on this album they promised us what they promised it didn't happen as if we're probably not that relevant anymore come on you know continue on your way to Orbanno something God forbid yes wow not saying he doesn't want to he wants to take a break from music in general or from the project as if the one who goes into the productions of the albums says I invest so much money time but it was they paid him for this album no yes on this album what is it they paid us they paid us for the production okay they did n't give us you know Nitzan said I'll bring the production you bring the album and then we'll run with the performances of the album now I said Nitza I'll probably do for us what he did with Berry In the red lips, such performances and it suited us, we said it's worth investing in and then it also promotes the previous albums, yes and that didn't happen now, I have no criticism, you know, towards anyone, because we made the album, Nitzan did what he did, he kept his commitment, but let's say because there was no media support and they didn't listen and they completely ignored this album, and it's a beautiful album, yes, not a nail, and you see, he barely knows this album, so we decided what it is, we decided again, he said, listen, I'm not going to do any more album stuff, I have a family here to manage, I need a conference, I'll work in engineering, I'll do mixes, I'll produce other people's albums, and you'll do what you're doing, how much are you at this point in 2012, yes if today I'm 59, which is Taglit 2, Taglit, yes we're already, it's Kosher, the minister gave you 40, you understand the event, wow, what a compliment, what a waste of time, no 40, I gave 45, I gave 50, yes 40 plus, I exiled you, you do n't It's already coming down to 20, no, really, I'm not real, I said 50, yes, right, no, I've turned 50 now, pretty much. Look, you're not. So what are you thinking in your head, like at that age, that's something you say for yourself. I've been running a lot for years, right? It's frustrating. It's also kind of a crisis for me, but I said, I know, wait, that means there are no stairs. Actually, that's what it's not. Now, I'm saying, so this sentence says, " I'm going." It means there are no stairs. Or we're not creating. Right now, we're going to start production. I'm not going to work. We're going to do sessions to try to create new things with the Shofar. And that's what happened in the past. We're going to do it. Of course, we're going to do it. And if they suddenly ask us to do some kind of song, some single, some project, or something, of course we'll do it. But Ood's mental position was that he's not going to invest in another album for another two years. And at the end of this period, records haven't sold any records, CDs, or [laughs]. And it's like we've entered an air pocket like this. We did n't know what to do, how to promote. They're not making us heard in terms of the new album. That we took out and you're already starting now, maybe you already know, you did what you did, and that's also what we said to ourselves, we said, wow, thank you, we had a beautiful time, we did, we brought something beautiful into the world, people enjoyed it, well, and maybe now you know, you shouldn't turn up because we're not taking up any space, but like, let's, like, make some kind of list, check what you want to do, what you can do, and like we were more in a world of, oh, like, like, Getty, like, like, appeal, what's going on, what will we do, how will we do it, and I really think that the moment a person stops being in a creative movement, hello, no one is waiting for you, and no one is, you know, like, you need to know that, you're not interested in anyone, no one is interested in you, and you have to do something like, like, an egoistic place like this, first of all, for your home, for yourself, for your soul, and then you'll see the blessing in it. But if you say well, reality doesn't favor me, then I'm like, okay, I understand, thank you very much. Like, you're acting in annoyance with someone, but you're not the point. You received a talent, I give the talent, and you have to serve in the sanctuary. There's no question here of, I will do it, I won't do it , You have to keep moving. I held that position the whole time. But I also understood him very well that it was very difficult for him to invest time. He has a big family to support and in the end it doesn't happen. I understood that. No, I didn't criticize him. But I personally think that you can't put your hands down even if your things don't resonate and you don't get applauded and nothing works. It's not like I feel you don't have permission to do it and I personally also experience a mental shake when I stop doing it it's like I'm also committed to the soul it's committed not only to the soul but to your health so so even if things don't sound and are pushing out it's okay so I'm constantly so I made this album that was a resounding failure a resounding arrow and I continued you know in my way it's how you said it was called Kama Awareness oh how much awareness it was a song like that it's beautiful you say it's a river because we crossed so I say how much awareness it is it's beautiful there's a gap between the things yes completely and there were songs like it was really great until today they're great but oh it didn't work and I wasn't able to produce performances you know Even today, even in our time, to this day, putting on a show is, oh, it's a piece of production, yes, bringing an audience, bringing people to a show, how many times can you bring the family once or twice, then you know, leave them alone, like, come on, tell me what you think about it, leaving them alone or digging for them, for the family, for the family, for the audience, for the people, we're just here arguing, so I, so I, And Mr. once or twice is fine, but then you need to know, and then why despair? No, so what to do? The audience isn't coming, bro, what do we do? You need to create, I've been quiet because I'm really weak at this, but you need to create some kind of work environment, groups that you know will encourage the audience. I'm sure. What am I asking? You worked on your album and released Auto, and thank God, it was successful, and it was released and promoted, and your career progressed with it, slowly, thank God. I mean, there are people who probably sat in your time and wrote material and this and that and didn't take it to heart, and they didn't come out, and that doesn't happen today, right? I mean, on the one hand, you say, you say all the time you need to create, on the other hand, you say, you need to listen to your soul, you know that it pushes you to do things, so on the one hand, you want to create, on the other hand, wow, maybe sometimes you don't accept with love what's happening, like how is this movement, like you say, reality doesn't resonate when you expect it to, yes, you want to create and give, and the soul beats, and things like that, sentences that move me, on the other hand, reality tells you, okay, people don't come to the show, and so there's no such thing as a fit, you understand what I'm saying, where, what do you think about it? I'm not talking just about you now, but mainly about your experience. You know, for the young guys, like, how, how, how do you move in a movement? It's a very difficult experience, and I can understand people who give up or quit, but oh, look, I could have given up a long time ago, and if you ask me what's holding me back from doing something, trying to create another one, and another one, it's not, it's not stubbornness, head banging against the wall, because I want to become famous, it really, really comes from some kind of inner drive that tells you, don't stop, keep going, no matter what you see, I won't do things. You know, I'm not, I won't leave, say, like Omer Adam or it will be on Golan. I'm not there, but I do have my own mind and there's something internal that wants to express itself. I have to give some space regarding how I bring the audience. Oh, it's a marketing strategy that I personally am not that good at. I don't know how to give you tools, but I'm not sure it's there. Um, it's not right. I just, you know, I talked about it. Yes, on the point, as if between things, I don't care. You've made a very, very, very important, painful point. It's really like the heels of artists who want to break through and this is really a question that I can say from my personal experience that I also deal with this thing. What I know how to tell people is that they have to do it and not work. Okay, listen, there's this place where an artist creates a gap between himself and some image he imagines for himself. Now, all the coachmen will tell you, you have to imagine yourself there and there and there. And this requires great caution because you open up a very large gap between what you are currently giving and can give and giving the reality that you imagine you imagine there should be 100 people in the audience right now. Who said okay, you won't make money, but you can bring 10 people. This is the partiality that you need to strive for all the time. Partiality where the whole is present all the time. And if you are energetically, look, I know a lot of artists who have been very successful. I won't mention names, but I've had the opportunity to work with them and you've seen that they are burning from the inside and they do everything to leverage that same internal engine to give somewhere and they have been very successful. And I know not one, not two, not three, you know, artists who are at the top. Yes, no, that's charming to me. It's just that you say this from the place of, "Listen, you just, oh, you know, he's just an artist, bro, do it. I have to tell you from the heart." I have to tell you the truth. I can't sell. Listen. And you have to know and understand marketing and understand that. Okay, but that's not the essence of the thing. Yes, the essence of the thing and the blessing that there is in something that is successful is that your heart is there. You're not Contradicts it because of external tendencies. I want it this way and I want it that way and I and I and you are opening a gap between you and me. Do you understand what I mean? And there is no blessing in it. I believe in this tool. This does not always have an economic expression. You need to continue to do so unequivocally. overpowering? stunning. good. I really agree. Like we I'll tell you I hear it from a lot of people what you said but seeing you say it is different bro really I say this is possible I really care about me that we get to teaching yes yes we want want to get there teaching not only because we actually yes what's happening you today that you are you a lot of teaching and psalms and all take us a little bit into this world if you want to summarize the the this pop up square of the stairs with love what what you say what is we don't summarize we you know not like you know if we dug enough in I'm getting back to the car I need to hear bro so listen so we did oh I'll tell you the points very beautiful album aspiring yes and it corresponds with the things we're talking about now you know we did the At the Door succeeded well Maayan Haim succeeded less but still yaddad and people wanted you know already in the first album you do what you want in the second album like when the first album is successful you do what they want as if people come to you and tell you you need to do this and do this and do this and it's like In the industry, there is no escape from this thing and the more you are planted and on the keep the the the your true axis you you you you earn wow what should be should be write it down we insulted on life we ​​ will get on the phone I I I previously wanted to write it like some rabbi here that you know how to write a sentence brother to summarize you thank God that it is filmed and it is documented yes yes and so on the album if you remember there were two cute guys who called themselves song lyrics and they spelled out books they were tech disks central challah song lyrics probably exactly a I grew up there it is also part of the echo the place I hate they are shades brother this is the best place brother if we mentioned song lyrics we must remember and praise and give thanks to a bar called Bar Daat in Tel Aviv the first bar that gave music and content and enough performances in Tel Aviv in the heart of Tel Aviv Walla Kobi Maor he founded it and he also did not manage to survive it financially municipal affairs but that's where the whole story started of the performances. By the way, the first performance we did with Stairs from the album At the Door was an opening act for Avraham Fried's show in Maron. 5,000 people Walla I've taken the anxieties of life yoo you don't understand like crazy anxieties yoo I did n't want to do the day I wanted I wanted to go home First step first step and you don't understand like I didn't know what I was doing with us Thank God we got through it safely And it's also a matter of how you get through the struggles of intense pressure and it's wow I oh unfortunately I you do a psalm you do you still teach yes come on I'm signing up for college next year bro what are you teaching oh I did for them in the last meeting last semester I gave them a workshop on oh the mental struggles of a singer before the show I told them all the experiences you are a nationalist creator beck I am abandoned I develop voice from monies on stage performance movement oh oh and it really depends on how many students there are, how many enroll and which track you choose, but that's more or less the slot I've done throughout the years. This is a piece. Oh, so what did I want to say about the album Shoaf? The album is Piyyutim. Yes, the lyrics. What famous song is there in Shoaf? what? That the wind was blowing. Ah, that's what depression is all about. yes. What else is there? There's also a song, we did it, wow, what a beautiful performance, we also did "Ani with Zemirot" what is it, "Ani Zemirot" yes, we did it, it was like a slave, it's about Pom Piyutim, what can I tell you about our conversation, about the song "The Cute and the Sweet" they approached us and said, "We want to sign you for the third album, we're signing you, wow, yes, and that was already a while ago, there's no more signings, right, it's like, wow, 2007, they were still selling CDs, okay, and they were strong in the market, oh, remember, back then, a CD came out like, "To the marketer, 17 plus, what, oh, well, let's have a meeting, we want to hear what you have, what are you going to release, like, see?" By the way, there was a Hindi guy, another friend, he told me, I'll buy 20,000 copies of the third album from you in advance , but you'll sell it to me at such and such a price, and we didn't really agree on the price, but he wanted a gold album at that time. Wow, yes. Think of 20,000 copies he buys in advance. yes. He wants 10 NIS for sorry I don't agree how much it comes out I don't know how much it comes out I don't know what it is what it is 10 NIS second 10 NIS for the disc including the people he buys it from you for 10 yes I pay you for 20,000 copies but it only costs you how much it costs you to produce this disc it cost us to produce I think at the time including here we are talking about 200,000 bags including the graphics including the mixes including this all yes not just a physical disc I understand you know there is all the work let's say a five I understand the printing of the disc it's not the event in the end not all the time and the production and the musicians and the mixes and this you know you say so it was 17 plus once it was standard and in stores they sold it for 50 60 right in yes a store needs come on it's a steal bro no 17 plus people you know and they take you off 17 plus people they take you off know how much if 9% you also how much it was 17% led already then he There were 17, 18, I had 17 or 15 pieces, bro, okay, they wanted to sign you, lyrics, with that one, we didn't agree on what we are, what is it, 20 sacks plus nothing, as if you understand today what you're doing with these CDs, oh and I said, so we set up a meeting, it was at my house, well, play us what you're doing, we said, listen, the third album is going to be released, Shoaf, it's a piyutim album by Ibn Gabirol Ben Ezra, everything is dedicated to piyutim. They raised an eyebrow, what does it mean, a piyutim album, we want your original materials, we do n't have original materials, that's also what we wanted to do, when we finished the second album, they told me, listen, we need to think about it, we're not sure who will hear what a piyutim album is, as if it's texts that people won't connect with, it won't work, as if why are you getting into this, what to do, that's what we want, they backed out of the deal, we were attracted, we released the album, Avri Gila, lights up on a low mood, he Echoed it every day almost think it was he had the Last Word program with Jackie Levy this oh what is it on Gali Tzahal on Gali Tzahal a program the whole country would listen to exactly a million people would listen to this program and he pumped it up every day almost they came back to us signed with us what are you talking about yes no bought no bought 20,000 bought every time you know 2000 and another 2000 and another 2000 and another 2000 listen to Devishir where they bought albums so you understand they didn't want us to make a piyutim album it's excerpts tell me and I've edited what you had surface surface in the house of a album of the albums of the CDs how does it work bro it's funny like yes we were surface yes they say like as if they are [laughter] listen bro 20 A000 albums it's surface [chuckle] bro it's like you know because no you know because stairs all the time worked alone not because we wanted to work alone because you know we didn't have a company and that's when we got caught We got the boxes home to me, let's say I caught 2000 sweeties, I would bring them home, and then they would come to me, give them boxes, delivery note, ta ta, you know, I'm talking to you, yes, no, it's like the Stone Age, listen, time is running away for us, as if it were fun, as if it were a waste of a million hours, but I feel like before the end, a little bit, connect us for a moment, now, apart from nostalgia, a little bit, what are your most important concerns today, oh, what are your dreams, things ahead, look, my dream, the dream, the dream of every artist, in my opinion, is to continue to renew and create, and that things will succeed and flourish, and that's what you know, oh, what I actually do today, I teach at the Psalter that I told you about, voice development, stage skills, I really like the place, I really like the students, and the students, where we have Psalter graduates, so we seem to know each other, a lovely place, yes, again, I seem to have come up, the artist creates mainly in the field of singing, singing, stage, performance, among other things, I collaborate with all kinds of artists, you know, here, recording, a little bit, I also do some lessons in light development, too. Appears in all kinds and also appears in all kinds works with a flow of collaboration with Naor Karami, with Ovadia, with Erez Lavri, a Yossi Peretz a more all kinds you know yes also produces all kinds constantly trying to be in motion like exactly what I said no oh there are more materials with the help of God that you are trying to write create or I will tell you the break from this not in a break from this the awareness no I will tell you I I think that music and life are one an artist should write his life in music wow I hear your music I hear your life. Now, it's like I feel like I don't have much to say . Oh, maybe there is because always because always the things you want to say are sometimes in such a state, they are as if beneath the surface. And so so like right now I'm I'm thinking what I have what I want to say what I want to say I do n't feel like I have something you know but I know it's something that's brewing and I think the challenge you know they say the hardest exercise in yoga what's the hardest exercise in yoga and it's like a metaphor for musicians creating to start the hardest exercise in yoga they say is to spread the mattress pad on the drop of oil my brother I'm a yogi you have you don't you have the head of like of the never press open spread the mattress you understand we need to sit down and start with by the way this friend told me washing straw but it's really written this yes this is this is the biggest victory look at the very sly bro about washing dishes he said I don't have the strength to wash dishes never he tells me I tell myself I wash the recus comes there the soap this washes a glass and and it's after you're already inside sick come on you know it happens to me because I you know live in the limbs what is called sometimes you do laundry you say well I'll do it at night coming back from the energy you don't have you suddenly see laundry you say yoooo can't leave That, but I don't have the strength. I want to go to sleep. So I say exactly what you say. I say, hang up one piece. Wow, it's never happened that I didn't finish everything. I hung up everything. And that's the thing about partial fasting. By the way, what he talked about, we also talked about partial movement. The artist must always remember that you are only committed to the partial movement at this moment. Ilan Damari, what an episode, what a conversation. Oh, we didn't do the song, Ilan. Wait a minute, we didn't do the song. Oh, and also to do the song. Come on, Benjamin, release all the gates and blockages for us, she's in charge of things. H to us the gitim and the blockages and hi we bless us and more ah [music] 61 years of life brother with the help of God right why 61 I enter I am 59 going to 60 entering 60 well then 61 [music] ah okay 61 120 as if we want to 100 until the Messiah comes so come on with the help of God Ilan Admari Thank you very much for the episode Run away you and all the blessings in the world Amen thank you very much I have fun with you company you thank you very much [song] [song][music] [song] On the road that goes up [song ] The silence of the heart tries [song] to reach [song] and to approach it [song] Signs [song] On the paths to it Willim [song] And the wind begins to breathe [song] I [song] hear within me [song] the heart [song] It happens to continue [song] and go until the wave [song][music] The grace of heaven comes out hands [song] Yamel [song] My father continues [song] In me breathe [song] Like [song] The waters are intertwined and If we [music] ask for love [poetry] live in a place [music] that has a lie [poetry] [music] that everyone has a sound that returns [poetry] it [music] close to the female [music] like [poetry] water By the way, I received the melody Keep going Keep going More Send me [music] just the melody The melody was very beautiful Just like that And I took the melody from Gina and listened to it and listened [music] and saw with my eyes I have I have many connections of melodies and visuals As if a melody brings me some image And I remember seeing in my mind some kind of path [music] like this in the middle of the mountain with road signs [music] And that's how it was written Asking for ah [poetry] [music] life and a place where you died Rest [ music] quiet Oh oh Thank you very much Haida Haida Ilan David Thank you very much ‏ Bon