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well welcome back everybody to part two
of am i a lesser jew meaning or am i as
jewish as you are
we're discussing the concept of
conservative reform movements
versus orthodox jewelry etc we're joined
robertolovsky ravgav
i'm here well i felt that i'm going to
jump right into this question because
as the coronavirus hit this is going to
this became a very thorny topic but
orthodox judaism seems to rely
very much on their rabbis right and
to the outside world and maybe even to
the movements of conservative and reform
it seems that these rabbis are quote
with all respect
a bunch of old men how how can we
orthodox judaism be taken seriously when
there's this concept
of listening to you know the the elders
the elders of the generation or the
the torah scholars of the generation
with things that seem to be so
modern and so uh you know take dating
for example like
why should orthodox jews be bound
to the uh to the uh to the
thought process and to the opinions of
some old rabbis and
you know more recently with the
coronavirus etc explain to us
why orthodox judaism's view on listening
to their
their elders and their torah scholars as
being a
focal point of orthodox jewelry
okay so i'm gonna i guess i i already
spoke a little bit to the point of the
authority of our elders right there that
the last you mentioned you mentioned you
mentioned but you mentioned it in like
in
really in in in the in the from the
angle of
arguing out points in terms of in terms
of that's how we get to the truth of
things
and that the people on top are the
people who know the most but how does
that relate to modern things that are in
over study
that are mundane things that we live our
lives with
okay so so once it's clear the first
point
that that we're not following elders
some
by some magical authority but because we
see them as honest
and insightful and knowledgeable so most
of it should be clear
the niche like the other side of your
question is
they are like what do they know about
modern phenomena
is that like like from the from the side
of i mean i mean
on a very practical level a 21 year old
boy from a fine youtuber
is dating a 18 year old girl
from a uh you know a nice jewish you
know religious seminary
and she will go to a 90 year old rabbi
to ask his opinion on marrying this 21
year old boy
i mean people from the outside must be
looking in and saying like
for real right so so
again so i'll add one thing there's two
points there's the one is the authority
of the person there's not number one is
i think what you're concerned about is
like how as smart and as wise as they
are how can
touch can they be with the modern world
so so
let me just add i spoke about the wisdom
of right and and
what prompts that 18 year old girl to go
ask his opinion
right i mean why does she assume that he
has anything to say about
right so so i want to add to the
intellectual
skill prowess of the rabbi it's also an
unbelievable love for you we don't
choose rabbis just because they're smart
they have to be wonderful people if a
person is poor character
he's not going to make it there so we're
talking about going to a person who's
loving
and concerned and also very smart but
the other side of it is as loving and as
wise as he is who says he has anything
to say about
the world today so so
let me let let me give you a classic
example of some of i think it's
very useful today of where this weird
this came up before
um there's one moshe knew moses spent
his entire
life defending the jewish people from
sins god is constantly through the torah
i want to wipe them out emotions go no
no save them
and that's the whole torah except one
instance
korach leads the rebellion and moshe
and and and moshe says tashem i want
this guy to die
like no one ever died before the
ground's got to open up and swallow them
up it's like the most out of character
thing in the entire world
and it makes no sense and you but you
know what happens
everyone's on kara's side everyone
gathers around korach
all the young generation is saying wow
he's so
korach is saying why do we need leaders
let's all be the same
you know you know just defund the police
everyone should be we don't need uh why
you making moshe's making kohanim and
levi why are you making coins and ladies
let everyone be equal why can't we all
be friends and get along
and that's what's been going on for
generations people talk like that
the youth are always you know hippies
and
and and you know they're they're they're
they're chill they're going oh the
the the our appearance our squares our
appearance are untouched
our parents are bourgeois our parents
are concerned about money
and they're called the modern world more
love being more progressive more
forgiving more
less prejudiced this is the eternal
thing why should we listen to
old-fashioned people
and most specifically in their in their
coarseness their their own
their their their regressiveness
so most is the classic case is moshe
gets up and says korak's wrong and
everyone says korak's the greatest
kara says everyone's great moshe why are
you making yourself bigger
and and what happens is is
everyone fights at moshe korach ends up
dying and they still angry at moshe
do you think he's out of touch so
why do we listen to moshe what changed
they realized one thing
everyone in the crowd heard moshe khorak
saying
everyone's equal let's all be friends
why niko haines and ladies
why are you making yourself higher
everyone heard this and they turned to
mush
we all go through this utopian communist
stage
where we think wouldn't it be nice a
world without competition everyone goes
through this
but moshe this is the line in the sand
why what did moshe see that we didn't
one subtle little line moshe says
the korach says let why do you need
coins and ladies everyone should be
equal why are you making yourself hunger
if someone is truly loving
you know if someone's truly loving what
do they do what do they what would korah
advocate
if you're giving out positions to people
and korach
is i gotta keep a straight face over you
guys are crazy
i love it anyways are we old-fashioned
bigger clowns and kids are over here you
know like uh this is this is the answer
to the question
um okay a bunch of rebellious kids
that's rabbis
so we bridge both worlds let me just get
to the point because it sounds like i'm
not even talking to the thing but the
punch line will make it clear
the punch line is is f why does everyone
turn to mush
because saying let everyone be cool why
so
but let's see what the wise old man
understands
is that every generation people
want to get rid of responsibility
everyone everyone has a
we have fears and insecurities and
therefore we want to chill
we look for easy paths the wisdom of
ages
is to see our greatness and to
understand all the ways that people run
away from responsibility
the rabbi comes in i felt i felt that we
stopped hearing you well
so we we're looking for the easy way out
we're not looking for responsibility
korach says the following notion
everyone's holy
if korak was really sincere he would
have said
give everyone a position
give everyone a position what korach
says is one line that no one else saw
kara says everyone's holy why are you
higher what is the difference
if your there's two ways to create love
and equality
one way is is to pick everybody up and
the other way is to knock everybody down
everyone's drawn to these movements of
hippies and stuff because it sounds so
loving
and it is possibly what our leaders
understand
is that the goal of life is to make you
great and people are always trying to
run away and make their life easier and
they have great ideas
and if you listen to their ideas
everyone forms over the philosophies of
people who want to make my job easier
and say that there's no values and no
purpose and and someone has to come
there and understand i heard this for
500 years already
this is what and only if moshe wouldn't
have been there everyone would have
gathered
taken to the streets and gotten rid of
all authority they would have gotten rid
of grades on tests
they would have gotten rid of paychecks
based on how much work you do
they would get rid of marriage
everything that takes work and structure
and moshe got up and says no kodak's a
faker he doesn't want to pick anyone up
he wants to knock everyone down the to
me the whole mark of jewish leadership
is this role of russia
he's the he's the lifeguard on the pool
watching the kids doing dangerous things
and we're here standing today because
it's so easy to make the cop
out sound glorified and even easier to
make the people who are working hard
sound like evil selfish arrogant
people they think they know what's right
the world loves haziness and fogginess
and our leaders the models of
discipline and greatness there's there's
peace
tranquility easy chilling and then
there's standing on top of the mountain
of accomplishment
and that's what we understand our
leaders are i go to my rabbi to ask him
rabbi
which of my two voice i have this choice
which is the compound am i lying to
myself which is
which which is which is my dream is
talking and which is my fear is talking
and since moshe that is the hallmark of
jewish leadership
the the guardians of dreams and they can
smell
they could my rebellion can spell my
excuses my cop-outs
and they go yes it's so cute saying that
but you know the truth
you know you see the rabbi doesn't even
have to answer he looks the only smiles
and he shakes his head and that way you
go like
no he's like amazing
amazing concept because they know they
know really what we want to strive to be
and what's best for us
dreams and fears have never changed
it's just the way we spin our fears
nobody says i'm a coward
they say well arrogant dreamers they say
elitist
i'm going to go to the hard yeshiva
they're just a bunch of show-offs
and rabbi will know if if that's if it's
within your abilities
and you should go there and it's just
you're you're scared and
this girl i'm dating this girl i when i
was dating you know you're dating
you you always want to marry a girl
who's a little more chill so i don't
have to go to chakra so early
you know and the rap i would come i
would go like you know what she doesn't
listen to secular music
what is that what's that a catch word
for yeshiva guy it means i want a little
wiggle room
a girl who's religious i'm gonna have to
like be a
really good guy you know i'm on so the
rabbi would listen and go kids lucky oh
yeah it's about secular music right
that's what it's about
oh it's very or is it a doubt that that
girl was too regal for you and too
too too pure and too holy you wouldn't
you felt a little pressured
and until then i learned that every guy
comes to me i listen to him and i wait
to hear
his justification for copying and i call
him out
next thank you robert
i want to go to you for misconceptions
or conceptions that
people have about orthodox judaism we
have a final comment on this
concept of going to rabbis and asking
them their opinions
yo yo absolutely i just want to share
two points one is the first it's a funny
question if you think about it you you
go to a person who's a scientist
and you know the guy's been a scientist
for 50 or 60 years and is still a
scientist and he's still
working on it and he's still learning
and he's still growing
you say why should we go to that guy
let's go to someone younger
with less experience who's never learned
about the past
or even now it doesn't make any sense i
never heard anyone complain that dr
fauci is too old to go through
exactly exactly so when you said
president trump
no he goes to him he goes about jesus
sometimes but you know but i respect the
man because he has many years of
experience
right right that's right experiences are
being and to your end to your point
roberto that people don't change
circumstances might but people are the
same and so what you knew then affects
people the same way being being that i'm
the youngest and wisest on the panel
with the most experience
i'd like to just point out that listen
the machias
the reality is i sit here and i listen
to the different answers over the
the these little questionnaires we've
had and i've had the privilege
of sitting with all three of these great
great people
in in different countries and different
places
i love to listen like roberolovsky
called me out the first question answer
oh you like to go last ah
you hear all the good answers and you
just repeat them right they just
that is what i like to do so why do we
go to the ones that are older the answer
is because
they know more like what what does that
mean so that's that's one
on a very straightforward that you can't
what are you going to argue
there's another level though which takes
us back to our mantra to our theme to
our
to our everything we are a theme song
we've been singing the whole time
and that is that you know i think it's i
think it's it's a schweiki song that
they made into a mishna
and that's
apparently said it twice and that's what
the mystery says in chapter 5
mr 2 3 4 5 somewhere at the end
that says that that if you turn it and
you turn it
everything is in it you know why we go
to the rabbis that are older
the answer is precisely because of how
much time and effort and energy
experience and knowledge of truth they
have
you'd be astounded for those who are not
familiar like my father mentioned before
all the books behind burlapski or if
they're real or not but all the books
find where were lavsky
like just like this new house i moved
into all these all these books
about shylux and chubas which are
basically question answer responsa you
go through one of the classics of moshe
feinstein
but moshe finds say the blessed memory
passed away in 1986 was considered
the rabbi of judaism
and he wrote a series of of response of
childhood
questions and answers they span
questions
from what do you have to wear
a keeper to are you allowed to smoke
marijuana
they go from like me kotze el katzen you
said well what does he know about that
the answer is everything is in the torah
so you want to know why we go to these
people simply logically
because of the fact and we ready to
understand
simply because of the fact that the
number one just logically they don't
they have the experience and they have
the knowledge they've been through the
maze
they've seen the mistakes and they can
at least tell you listen i might not
know what right mood to go on but don't
go on that one because i made a mistake
on that one right they can at least tell
you that
and number two that's the torah the
torah is emmaus
the bible this book we have is the truth
coming from god
one who learns it will get understanding
that
even presidents of united states
time and time again have written to
great rabbis to ask
their opinion and those rabbis average
age
were 70 to 80 years old because they had
that experience and that knowledge so
that's why we go
as a 19 year old girl when i was a 19
year old girl that's why i used to go
to these driveways to ask him these
questions by the way that answers a lot
of things today thank you
uh robert one story because on this
point
you know the rabbi is not there to tell
you if the chicken is kosher
he's not there to make you a bar mitzvah
that's not what the rabbi is there for
the torah covers every aspect of life
so my father went to ask shyla to the
square rubber
he was dying of lung cancer and the
chemotherapy was terrible
terrible we're waiting online and this
person is coming to ask the rebel about
a
this person is coming to ask the rabbi
about a business deal and this person
everybody's asking different questions
because judaism covers every aspect of
it
so my father gets there and he starts
speaking in yiddish
and and the writer says it's okay you
could speak in english so
he says i'm in chemotherapy but i heard
about this virus treatment in hungary
and uh you know and uh
i heard it's successful i get the whole
thing
so the rebel looks at him the rabbit you
know scissors everybody goes
i want a three three sets of x-rays
before and after
show me what the cancer looked like
before the virus treatment and
afterwards
he says if i can't if you can show me
that there's a treatment that's more
effective than chemotherapy
i'll advise this to people but to the
best of my
medical information that i have asked
doctors
there is nothing that works besides this
so my brother said so i have to continue
with the chemotherapy
he says i hate to be the bearer of bad
news but it's the only thing that has
been medically proven
because if you're a rabbi us now
keep your life and guard your health
that's emits from the torah
so when someone comes to and asks about
a medical procedure you have to know
you have to be talking to doctors into
scientists when a question comes up
about like people mention shabbos claps
or any technology
you have to know what you're talking
about when someone comes in about uh
you know in vitro fertilization or uh
or uh a gene therapy or any other thing
you have to know because georgia judaism
carries
uh effects on every aspect of life well
it's not only that you need to know you
need to know and
figure out how that follows jewish law
of course so that's why a person is an
expert in jewish law can look at it and
tell you
this is what the torah will prescribe
and this is what it wants right
let me add as everyone's talking about
that you know most people listening to
this they have a different picture
like what they're saying because their
pic the picture of a rabbi is what is
is a guy who who's trained in public
speaking and rhetoric and fundraising
and politics
that's not our rabbis
that's the opposite right they don't
didn't do any of that
they said it's not me i'm not the rabbi
someone comes to me with an important
question
i'm going to my rebbe i'm not answering
it i'll say hold on i'll get back to you
when we say rabbi
we're talking about a person who who is
surrounded by wisdom and he has avoided
all he hasn't done anything in his life
that made him feel ashamed or guilty
that will color his clear
clarity thought he lives a pure life
he's not going to movies he's not
dancing at parties
everyone is kind of we're gonna
there's a conception there's a maybe a
misconception
um that people looking into orthodox and
we're asking it's a little bit
sharp and pointed but here here goes the
question was stated by one person
three different questions here it's why
does everyone know an orthodox jew
or more than one who cheats in business
right if you're religious why would you
cheat
you're a bunch of hypocrites you you
mean your religion is only in the
synagogue only for show
right i'm sure i felt them you've had
this to me your debates etc
right this question my answer to these
kind of questions
let me go again i haven't finished b of
this b of this let's see a line but go
ahead i was
told it's okay for orthodox jews to
cheat anyone that's not orthodox
even other jews and especially non-jews
including the government
is that why many orthodox jews are
cheating the government with
food stamps welfare etc my response to
this is
a realistic answer i think a one-liner
is that
we were just so cool that you asked that
we were just discussing that
by our meeting of the elders of zion
while we were sipping on the blood of
christian babies
thinking about how to educate our sons
who were born through holes and sheets
you you're asking questions every
anti-semitic canard in the world
it's ridiculous we're the most moral
people in the world you're gonna go
cherry picking a bunch of cretes
everybody's got their creeps
okay this is not what we value
it's not the guy asked the question
deserves a smack okay
i know you should have an email smack
response
i'll have i'll have him email you but i
just want to disappoint the robot alaska
and give
actually a friend of mine was driving
this it goes back 20 years
but a friend of mine was driving it was
before shabbos he was in lakewood new
jersey he was in a rush
and he's flying down clifton avenue okay
and a cop pulls him over for speeding
and he's still upset
he says to the cop like you know i'm in
a rush you know it's before a shot
it's like now you gotta pull me over and
give me a ticket
the cop looked him and he said listen
i've been a cop in this neighborhood for
a long time
i'm not getting you on murders i'm not
getting you enraged i'm going to give
you a ticket on clifton avenue on friday
afternoon
you know roberto your thoughts on people
asking this question by wrote that's
judas
there's a there's an old rule in
journalism yeah
dog bites man not news man bites dog
that's news you'll never see a headline
that says
secular jew arrested for stealing
atheists commits rape
because you assume that that goes
without saying
that if someone's doing a crime you
assume because they're not religious
yeah so in the every time they find a
religious guy
that's a story we put him on the front
page we take a big picture
you know think of it have him haven't
put this yeah in front of his face and i
mean
because it's so rare it's the exception
now how do you justify it like this
somebody has to tell the rest of shiva
how do you explain
none from ju how do you fight from jews
who cheat or steal or lie
this is the same way i explained from
jews who don't keep shabbas and eat that
kosher
they're not from understand so if
i tell you you see this is great i love
how these questions are all so
of contradict me judaism is robotic they
listen to everything the rabbis say they
have no choice
how come they go out and stealing the
guy
who is the rabbis the answer is because
there are people who don't listen and
people decide to do the wrong thing
everybody um uh
there's there's always people who are
going to be imperfect in a system no
system is going to be a hundred percent
the best you can do is to try to set
up a uh station so story
they
he would always find some outstanding
act that the jew did
and he would be the defense attorney of
the jewish people on yom kippur night
and he'd say god look at this tremendous
act of righteousness there are many
stories of that
and one year he couldn't find anything
they couldn't find anything
so he says god i haven't got anything to
say
you want to kill the jewish people kill
the jewish people i got one question for
you
you got anybody better any better
when israel had tremendous expense and
and risk and difficulty
brought across the black jews from
ethiopia
who it was not everybody agreed they
were jewish they weren't jewish
they brought them across you know what
the response was from the world
why they only bring the jews nobody said
wow the jews took the jews the
christians should take the christians
the muslims should take the muslims no
why don't you take care of everybody
you know and people say to me why don't
jews give more money to secular courts
as i said
who are the secular people giving money
to jewish causes nobody cares about us
nobody takes care of us
so so you'll find that a religious jew
there's something wrong and then well
you know so one last story on this
there's this but the question is again
i'll let you finish the story
but i'll say the question is do we
condone
jews cheating or taking advantage of
non-orthodox jews
or non-jews altogether and especially
governments do we condone that
of course not of course not a friend of
mine
his nephew sends expensive jewels
so he went to saudi arabia to sell some
jewel because the sheiks buy these
expensive jews
jules so he comes in and the guy outside
told him you better take off your
yarmulke
you know if you want to make this sale
i'm not taking off my yarmulke you know
he comes in
and the sheik looks at him and he goes
i'm going to guess
you want a glass of water in a paper cup
am i correct
so he says uh that would be fun your
majesty you know
he says we always used to do business
with the jews
you know he says the englishman used to
rip us off much more
yeah i can't tell you we never had a
cheetahs but at least they don't cheat
us as much as the others
it's like jackie mason says that you
couldn't be a mugger but you couldn't
point a gun and say give me all your
money
he'd say how much you got let's work out
something
he also he also he also said that that a
jew could do much better with a retainer
but but it's an amazing story true story
this guy breaks down
on route 17 going up to the catskills so
three cars pull over from people
and the guy's wearing a yarmulke and
they say how can we help you
change the tires then who did this
anyway after they're all done they say
he's wearing a cross
he said why are you wearing a cross he
goes i'm christian he says why are you
wearing a yarmulke he says what
that thing on your head because i don't
know when i first started driving
my mother gave me one of these and said
if you have a breakdown put one on and
people will stop and help you
so therefore you can cheat i missed that
what's the
we're not we're not perfect but as a
lady it's like said we're a lot better
than anybody else who's out there
we're doing better than anybody else
okay
that was a newsweek op-ed article once i
remember during the first intifada where
they said
yes we're holding israel to a higher
standard we expect them to they're god's
chosen people this was an
editorial in newsweek
today that would be racist uh okay i i
want to move i want to move on
to um unless and without a new comment
didn't
have any final comments on this before i
move on i have two more concepts and
then a final
question um that i want to ask any you
want to add anything to this
i just i just want to echo the words i
heard from aberlovsky many years ago
don't defend the undefendable which is
essentially what he said
if something is wrong it's wrong and
people do things that are wrong
so they say like oh and therefore you
see there's a jew that does it okay so
they did the wrong thing and we move on
with life you know
not okay we have to work on it but i'll
add don't
don't defend it you can't let people ask
these questions and get away with it
it's something we'd have enough
self-hating jews it's obvious nobody
nobody believes that we condone it it's
just a way to like wipe the smile off
the religious guy
so don't don't don't play that game
don't full pray
okay um further con conceptions
misconceptions
that people have um is is and and this
this is actually probably more
reality but i'm going to leave this to
you i'm going to start with euro fell
down if you don't mind
the orthodox jews seem
to shun technology and not be involved
in tvs and movies and secular music etc
right so why do religious jews
either avoid or limit the use of new
technology
new technologies that are
revolutionizing the world like
smartphones
and shut out the social media technology
why is it even an
issue why don't basically one unorthodox
jews
just go with the flow man come on
meaning stay with the times
go with the flow right is it isn't that
isn't that a better idea than shunning
all this stuff out just to
shorten the questions that are basically
coming in there right okay now that
that's important that's right this is
the most important questions you know
i i i my whole career was going to
colleges and talking to kids and my
my appeal was that i was normal i wasn't
the rabbi you know
you know in a long black coat and the
kids are willing to hear me because it
came across
normal my whole career was basically
almost derailed
when they had that that gathering
in the field against the internet you
know the
so every college i went to the kids were
like oh you're like one of them you like
the taliban
you like bin laden you know it was uh it
almost ruined everything uh
um located we explained this we come
acro we talk about being open-minded and
being thinkers so if you're thinkers
what are you scared of
a thinker shouldn't be information is
not not damaging
so this is really the question is is we
are on defensive
and it's a similar way i just did it's a
little different but
it's the same point in a metaphor i i
was asked to do
op-ed in lakewood we have a big problem
with anti-semitism
in this around because we're really
thriving and we're growing so the
surrounding towns
those who follow the news a lot of
anti-semitism in this
newspaper in the area of the asbury park
press which was really the
the hot bed of the anti-semitism they
they're trying to do some kind of chuva
and they opened up their paper to to the
orthodox community
they said we want an op-ed can someone
so i provided them an op-ed
about uh and here's what i wrote and
this my the answer
for this will be similar to what i would
tell you for this it's just
it's so much easier to hear the point in
the separate arena and bring it over to
this arena
i said there's a lot of causes for
anti-semitism most of them don't
deserve a response but there is one
cause of anti-semitism
that deserves a response from us because
i think it's legitimate
and that is that some people love
america they fought for america
they value american values and they see
communities that are insular
as an insult for everything that they
think is beautiful
insularity is inherently an insult to
the prevailing culture
so the fact that we orthodox jews keep
to ourselves we're really insulting them
by saying
your your culture's poison and and
they love their culture so they those
people who are angry at us
for rejection of what they see is
beautiful those people deserve a
response
it's not the majority of anti-semites
but it's a legend and my response to
them
is is we're not rejecting your culture
we love american culture
most of american culture was built on
judeo-christian values
which is really judeo-vaso it's not
christian values so it's our stuff we're
on the same page
the founding fathers were rooted
everything in the torah
why do we pull away from secular culture
today because secular culture is no
longer american
the the forces that have taken over the
world
are our voices that want to shame
everything we value
they make you feel guilty for caring
about marriage and children and love and
all the things we cherish
they run the streets and they run the
campuses and they run the media
we're not pull yes we are insular but
don't see us
as pulling away from american values
we're pulling away from the values that
are trying to shame america
we're on your team and we're you're
gonna do the same thing we do eventually
you're welcome into our ghettos with us
so that your children will be safe
to be proud americans which they can't
be out there that was my response to
them
that's the same point with this we're
not pulling away from the world
we love the world the god created this
world's a garden we're supposed to be
dancing in here
watching sunsets and smelling flowers
and singing songs
and learning knowledge in books the
problem is
that that is not the dominant voice in
the world today
you send your kids to college they're
not having their minds
expanded they're having them drain
everything valuable
and if they don't give in at first
they're going to be shaped and laughed
at and taunted
they're not going to hear the voice of
scholarship what they hear is
cackling sneering and cynicism
we're pulling away from the world we
love don't ask questions why don't we
love
we love the world we love science we
love information
there's no knowledge that's bad the
problem is
that modern world you i grew up with
television i learned most of my morality
from the brady bunch
you know and and sesame street you know
i spent hours by the
front of the mirror trying to learn how
to talk while i brushed my teeth like
they could without drooling out all of
the the
the the toothpaste you know like anyone
watched a brady bunch everything took
place
in the family bathroom brushing their
teeth whatever but
a lot of things are clear to me now
rabbi
but but that's not the case anymore
today
today we need unfortunately we have to
pull back
the reason why he had the gathering in
city field is not because of all the
information on the internet
it's it's because of all the all the
inappropriate
children cannot you cannot let people be
exposed to things that make them feel
shamed when someone feels shamed they
curl up and they
they they become a fraction of
themselves they're the thing that
silence is dreams is the feeling that
i'm not deserving of them
and what makes people feel not deserving
is the dirtiness
and that comes from our culture our
culture values
also fame and popularity
so you by exposing your kids to this
you're feeding him
an assortment of dreams that are how
popular are you
how many fans do you have we're
destroying people
i i pray we pray for the day that the
world will
be be be a beautiful place again and we
can let our kids
run free in the world you know like they
do in the bungalow colonies in
their pajamas but unfortunately not
everything's a safe bungalow economy
anymore
don't think that we're against the world
that's all right
on this point the the the concept of
studying torah trumps all of the
technology and the
modern you know the modernized
television movies etc
because we have to learn torah pulling
back on the stuff and learning torah
is there is there room in judaism for
all of this
or does orthodox judaism basically
pulling back because there's only one
way to go and that's the stunning of the
torah
well when you see for all of this that's
a very vague term
it's uh including a lot of stuff i would
say most of it
like rabbi felder was saying everybody
should be pulling back from
you know if anyone still knows what
marcia marcia marcia means that's okay
you know that's you're okay you know
with all curls like the mother whatever
but uh but at the at the same time does
that mean that a person
can't relax and chill and enjoy
themselves
of course that doesn't mean that at all
as a matter of fact it's
very much encouraged to do such a thing
and let me just make one one point
as for your background yeah exactly
right we i grew up in robert feldham's
house and he used to make me watch the
show with him
and it was crazy but really i didn't
grow up in this house but i am from long
island
anyway so so um the point but it was
already religious what could you do
hi from birth okay so here see here's
the here's the uh two points i want to
make about that and then
the second one being what you just asked
me the the first one is
there was an article that came out about
two years ago
rabbi freedom you may have seen it and
and there's an article in israel
there's a concept in israel which is a
it's it's a phenomenal concept that if
you don't know what it means
you're going to be thoroughly confused
there's something known as a kosher
phone
now for those who uh who
know what kosher is so then immediately
our thoughts go into ah
it's a phone that you can eat like what
what exactly does that mean and secular
jews who've never heard it
are very like what i don't even know
what i'm talking about when i say that
a kosher phone is a telephone before the
year 2001.
it was it was before well really for
2007.
it's really it's really a stupid phone
right it's what they call it's what they
call a stupid phone now right
the smartphones and the stupid phones
and the way that my daughters tell me
is that those who have stupid phones are
smart and those who have smart phones
are stupid that's the way that the
kids these days but anyway but here but
here's here's the deal
this this thing called a smart uh stupid
phone or a kosher phone
is a phone it's like the original nokias
then i go back to some of your age you
know whenever when they have the
backpacks or phones
i mean the ones that had like you know
nokia phones with snake on it at most
no even texting no internet nothing it's
a phone
now you say like that's what you have
come on what do you do with the world
two years ago there was an article that
came out in israel
from secular israeli parents
that wanted to start a movement to take
away their kids
smartphones and give them all kosher
phones
for one simple reason they found that
the entire summer
their kids didn't get out of bed till
four o'clock afternoon because they
slept till one or two
and then from two to four they would
they would be on their smartphones then
they'd go pee
then they'd go back until dinner which
was really breakfast
and and so on and so forth so they was a
movement in the secular israeli world
to get rid of the smartphones why
embrace what are you doing because they
start to see
there's a catastrophe going on over here
and i'm not even getting into like where
my fellow
mentioned with the the dangers of that
everyone knows about the dangers that
lurk
in the world down here i'm not even
talking about the danger it's like it's
like a yitzchak berkowitz a rabbi here
in israel
said he had like a little talk about
this topic
and he said it's like a
forget about forget about the
inappropriate forget about the dangers
just take a stop watch with you and
every time you go
on the computer online you're surfing
just time yourself
little does he know there's something
called screen time you don't have to
think of stuff you know you don't have
to say stop watching right
and just see how much time you throw
away in your waist
so we against the concept of uh is it
only torah sit down and stag and learn
the answer is you know what it is it's
growth it's about being
growth oriented there's two topics one
is called bitter
torah one's called bitters man one is a
nullification of spending time
learning torah another is just wasting
your time
and it is widely discussed that wasting
time is even worse than wasting torah
even though taurus paramount why
because fine you're not going to learn
talk at least be productive
but you're not even productive then as
just a quote
i don't know if it's 80s or 90s i don't
even know who said it but i think the
quote is
what is it good for absolutely nothing
and that's uh and that's why
we're leaving it there
sorry i remember last gavin i have
another question for you about about
dress of the orthodox community do you
have any comments on this technology
further from
what these these rabbits pointed out
yeah but don't worry about it
yeah i got i got comments about
everything
the the things that the
you know conservative reform even
non-jews
comment about orthodox jewry is the
habits of dress and behavior
right why are both men and women women
dressed in such old-fashioned way
like you stepped out of the 1930s with
hats and shoes even went in
informal settings and long skirts long
blouses dresses etc
one of the men looked like penguins in
the black and white and for goodness
sake why do we have so much
clothing when it's so hot outside right
come on get with the times whatever your
thoughts
for all of human history people covered
their heads
there was only one society in history
that did not cover their heads and that
was the greeks
everybody else wore turban they wore
some sort of a hat they were some sort
of
thing i'm remembering les miserables
because you know since of course i'm
i'm cut off from secular knowledge so uh
i remember at one point
somebody recognized him when he had been
the mayor of the town and they said
mayor what are you doing out here and
without a hat
right in uh in the hobbit you know it
says
he ran out of the house bilbo bagger
runs out so quickly he forgot his hat
it was like who walked out without a hat
everybody wore a hat
the first person who didn't wear a hat
was john f kennedy
and as it turns out that didn't work out
so well but forget about that
the the point too soon anyway but the
point is
that the point is that you know
this is but what what happened to him
i'm a little young what happened to him
uh he became an airport it's a very sad
story but anyway
but uh but he uh
yeah he finally took off anyway but um
the uh the idea of suddenly
we now live in a society where there's
no where there's no
uh respect so i used to remember
when there used to be signs on
restaurants
no one served without a tie you went out
to eat you got dressed to put on a suit
you put on a tie
you know you came in and jeans and
t-shirt they wouldn't they wouldn't uh
serve you
because there was a it was a concept of
respect
you know so now they changed yeah no
shirts no shoes no serving
so now we're happy if you put on a shirt
and a vision and now there was one
restaurant that had to take it away
because it was considered racist
for reasons that are unclear to me this
was a or or no mask
yeah well man i'm never going to that
i'm thinking about even before that
so so uh so the idea is
that there's still a concept of
self-respect so i used to teach in
seminary i had three rules
the girls knew no talking in class i
told you once i take attendance you can
go outside
i don't care i i don't care if you're
here or not but if you hear don't talk
because it's disrupting it's
disrespectful
i said turn off your cell phone because
the cell phone goes off in class it's
very disruptive
and no gum chewing and they just
couldn't understand that
well why can't i chew gum i said because
the queen of england doesn't chew gum
because a bride under the hupper doesn't
chew gum
because when there's a sense of
self-respect we carry ourselves with
self-respect
and to this day there are very few men
who do not feel so much cooler about
themselves when they put on a tuxedo
they're working around maltreaters
shuriken not stern you understand like
they suddenly feel like caution because
when you carry yourself with kashimas
so we jews we still have this idea of
respect
respect you know i remember i remember
in the old days in israel in the knesset
you know these old
labor party people would come into the
knesset with with shirts and
shorts now everybody wears a tie
everybody walks in with a certain type
because it's respect
because you understand there's a certain
standard that you have to have
so we've never lost that respect like i
say just because the world changed
doesn't mean that we changed
so so how come everybody dresses the
same
so the the talmud tells us that black is
modest
that's the only reason it almost happens
to be slimming but that's not the real
reason
the reason is considered more modest you
know some people say
you lose your individuality and i say
i gotta tell you no one ever accused me
of losing my individuality
that's there's a lot of things people
say about me but that i'm an individual
and i'll tell you better than that if
you need clothes
to make you an individual you don't have
to worry you don't have
anything going for you anyway if the
best i can say about you is
wow look at his outfit could you imagine
you're being set up with a girl says how
about her
oh she dresses very nicely yeah but what
is she dressing i don't understand what
does that mean
that's the best you can say is that i
have clothes so you say
and i remember i was i was in the
principal's office once he had an archie
comic
from the newspaper on the wall and a guy
comes into mr
weatherby he's the principal with this
like long kind of like leather coat
and he says why are you wearing that
crazy coat he goes
gives me individuality he looks out in
the playground and
everybody's wearing that coat he says i
think it needs a little work
so if you need clothes to give you a
personality and individualism don't
worry you don't have any anyway
in fact the best way to achieve
independence so that you can be seen as
a person
is when everyone dresses the same
because when everyone dresses the same
the only thing that's left is you
who are you not tell me what you're
wearing and how you dressed and you know
who are you as a person
rabbi feldham and any comments on people
looking at
orthodox jews as they're falling out of
the 1930s
all dressed the same come on get with
the times yeah i know
i agree with romilovsky said
it's like um it's self-respect
you know a person who respects himself
conducted
the desire to it's it's one of these
things
i used to give a class on dating on on
and
mostly philosophy but the end i gave a
few little pieces of three pieces of
advice
so these are my most important pieces of
advice the most and
one of my three most important pieces
was don't do
casual dates a casual day
what does that mean you you you're just
starting off the the dating with already
assumptions this is not real you know
you know there are college degrees
probably
with people who specialize in the light
you know are art in art degrees for in
art museums
part of the art is is how to frame it
and how to do the lighting around the
art you something is beautiful you want
to put it in the right context you want
to frame it properly
you want people to come to it i'm back
into the taj mahal
most impressive thing about the taj
mahal wasn't the taj mahal
it was the the scope of the lands and
the fields and the turrets leading up to
it
you felt the awe of the hugeness of it
it prepped you for the for the last
moment when it came into view
because you had to walk through this
tunnel on that tunnel in this field in
that field
from every direction you you want to
frame things properly someone wants to
go on a casual date what they're saying
is
is i want to absolve myself from all
responsibility before we even start
and dressing in a certain way says this
is not
i am not an emergency exit for you to
breathe
through your way i'm here to be dealt
with
to be reckoned with i am an entrant not
an exit
that's what dignified clothing says you
have to raise your game
to deserve me kill a few dragons before
you get the hat
with this princess that's what the
girl's saying and the guy is saying is
that
i i don't i don't want anything that i
don't have to kill a few dragons to
deserve
if i don't have to kill a dragon to
deserve you then you're not
worth does it you're not a prize
that's how we we see the world in the in
in the in the way
in the in the light of dreams and
greatness
and isn't it amazing beautiful okay
i'm going to start with you with the
final question i'll come to you i felt
and then i'm going to end with you
robert yolovsky uh just as we started
back when
it feels like 10 hours ago yeah exactly
okay here we go this is a question which
sort of like summarizes a lot of what we
discussed here it's a question that a
lot
of you know a lot of this is questions
that like non-orthodox jews have looking
in
sort of speaking to the orthodox
community there's a question that
orthodox non-orthodox jews etc have a
like
it's a big question of the generation as
well you know growing up there are
certain
idols that you look at certain people
that you aspire
to be we discuss
orthodox jewry for whatever reason which
we discussed pulling back on
technology on whatever the world might
be doing that
isn't within our value system etc but
all this pulling back from a full
emergent in modern society
is why is in order to be able to immerse
fully in our torah and our religious
life right
that's that's presumably why we're doing
this why
is that the real goal of life why does
pulling away from
from so much of what god created in the
world or gave us the ability to create
help us maximize our time and enjoyment
on this earth
i.e if an orthodox jew is looking in is
he saying
why should i be the great rabbi that we
discussed
there i felt i'm discussing about
teaching those students right
versus a movie actor or you know or an
all-star basketball player
why is that the real life why should i
aspire to be that regard
so there's a uh well-known statement in
the talmud
that discusses the concept of if a
person
uh in this world doesn't eat an apple
and it's a it's a mushroom doesn't have
to only be an apple but it doesn't need
an
apple when he gets upstairs after 120
hours long he lives
god's gonna there's gonna be
accountability why didn't you eat my
apple
me to say what we really are supposed to
be involved
in enjoying this world as a matter of
fact one of the commentaries name of the
morale explains
why is it that if you look in the entire
written torah
there is no explicit statement speaking
about the next world
because it's about this world you're
supposed to partake and i think there's
been a theme
which we've been playing around also
throughout all of us that
yes there's torah this missus hashem but
part and parcel
is that god created this world so then
the next question people say
well god created all the abc so why do
you stay away from that the answer is
there are some things god created to
partake of and some things he created
not to partake of and in order for one
to really be able to maximize
there has to be choice and in order to
have choice there have to be
those opportunities for challenge to the
left and to the right
the ultimate if i may just rephrase your
statement
is not to immerse ourselves into our
life and whatnot
the ultimate is to connect with the
creator of the world
and to maximize the greatest levels of a
pleasure
that we're able to ever accomplish that
that's the goal
question is what's going to get me there
that's the question
so if there's something that's not going
to get me there so i'm going to try to
move away from that
and the the the the sad reality is i
understand it all too well growing up in
the
modern orthodox community with with it
was an i think an amazing article i wish
i had it so i'm sure you've seen it with
written by an 11th grader you know who's
writing about
uh you know they tell it's okay it'll
get sticky but it's good it's at the end
so i could say like oh we're out of time
but everybody lost you'll address it but
about
about a boy saying stayed personally
growing up in the in the religious world
i didn't learn about the great rabbis
maybe i did but that didn't stick out in
my mind
i learned about michael jordan i learned
a lot about michael jordan i learned
about larry bird
adam's basketball when everybody falls
in boston forgive me whatever
you know i learned a lot about music and
singers and whatever
i learned a lot more than just the brady
bunch i learned a lot of things
and i didn't even have an understanding
that i was missing the whole point
i had no understanding until i started
getting involved with it
it's so much easier to get involved
with the quick basketball shot and with
the rock concert
and with the good food it's just easy
but for those for the youngsters
of this world they'll know who i'm even
quoting i won't say his name
but easy come easy go you had your eyes
wide open i'm even oven
but what happens is i'm assuming you
won't know what i'm talking about but
the point is is that easy come easy go
understand the fact is is that torah
learning
and connecting to the ultimate is a
challenge it takes time and effort
but the value you can't compare
it's the purpose of creation so we try
to stay away from the things that are
going to take us away
from the greatest opportunities that
we've ever had and like we've
echoing sessions one and two and now
we're into three
is that the greatest pleasure that one
can experience in this world
is connecting with the ultimate with the
almighty and with truth itself
bye feldheim are it is the
is the entire concept meaning i just
want to twist this a little bit meaning
people looking outside in are saying wow
you pulled back from all of that stuff
right so that you could be a tremendous
torah scholar
not seeing it is it all a fake out you
know
or is it is that the ultimate
let me let me say it like this this is
probably a good way
what i think is my most important
message to the world if i had one
you allowed me one minute thing what i
would say is that people
think that people who are doing things
wrong
they're
that's the root of evil evil incarnation
is desire
i want to turn it on its head it's
exactly the opposite
desire is the good inclination
desire is the holiest thing in the world
there's a beautiful world
the only thing you have going for you is
desire
when you see someone doing something
wrong you know what happened
them they don't have desires what
happens is they lost their desire
somebody beat them my lying to a boy who
was
who's who's hanging out and just just
just
random girlfriends whatever it is is i
don't say to him as
you have too many types too many desires
it's exactly the opposite it's
never what happened to you who who broke
you
who robbed you used to be a dreamer why
are you settling for this
completion is to be fully dreaming all
failures all what we call sin is just
another word
for having your dreams squeezed out of
you and settling
for crumbs when you wanted the loaf so
what
is the loaf so we we encourage
basketball
for a young kid maybe not boston
basketball
but but we were not the knicks either
unfortunately we got the eighth pick
whatever
not for the crowd here but crazy but but
whatever it is it's we encourage why
because for a kid basketball is desire
it's about being
but what's supposed to happen is like i
said like
god said is that eventually it gets old
it's like okay now i have muscles i can
jump
then you need something bigger you need
to be creative you buy a guitar
you make music and then you you have all
these you can do a comment you can sing
songs you feel
deep then you realize is that it's a
little hazy i want to understand things
you know you're literally describing my
life
so i actually made this up following you
i learned the whole thing from your life
okay god okay god was the guy i call
when i get hard questions
so so what happens is is that then so
you you play basketball now you got your
guitar now you realize you want to
understand things you start to read a
science book and you get into
electricity and
and i was the motors and and all these
things intellectual magnets
and then you realize that that's nice
but there's biology and there's this
then you realize that there's physics
and then there's
english and there's writing and this
poetry eventually you know what you know
where you get in the end
you go is there any system that defines
it all
your desire will take you in the end to
the place
where you want the bird's eye view of
all of reality
reality intellectual and that's what the
torah is desire to know torah
it is it it is the bird's eye view of
the world
it's not the discounting of all the
other fields
torah is to the universe what the
conductor is to all the instruments in
the symphony
in earlier stages of life you can start
off in the audience
and then you can start playing an
instrument and then when you get to the
end you realize the only place to be
is to be is is to embrace it all and
that's what drives us the torah
and that only happens if you don't get
derailed on the way by someone
squashing your desire out of you if we
leave our kids with desire
they will all end up at that same place
to be the conductor
of the greatest philharmonic playing the
music the greatest con
poser and that's but unfortunately what
we discussed in all the previous
questions holds true
is that the world squeezes the dreams
out of us
and we end up with with stuck in the
basketball the music or even worse
wishing that we're so innocent playing
basketball there's far
lower things than playing basketball and
that's why we're preserving
our kids we fight to preserve their
dreams
because dreams lead you to torah all
right robert lafsky you're
thank you rory felt that right we'll ask
you your final thoughts on
on this of why is this the real goal in
life
to sort of pull back for the sake of
reaching higher
and and again with you know searching
for greatness
in terms of being a great rabbi versus a
big movie actor why is it
why is that our preference in our world
it's not
we our goal isn't to become a rabbi
our goal is to embrace
a spiritual life because it's so much
more fulfilling
so you eat pizza how much pizza can you
eat and after a while you just feel
sick so you play tennis and after all
you get tennis elbow and uh
you feel sick yet but spirituality
that can lift you out of this world into
a spiritual pleasure
that gets better and better and better
and better and it just
it's endless and
the reason people don't understand this
is because there are very
few talented gemura teachers in the
world
very few but if you've ever had this
horse to learn by one when you go to
somebody like this
there is nothing more exciting
aaron cutler when he was raising the
money to start the lake with yeshiva
so uh he had this one uh fellow
who was helping him go around and raise
money so they come home at night
he sits down in the chair with the
newspaper
so byron looks at him he says why don't
you open up a gemara
he says don't worry rabbi i'm helping
you i have my world to come
so i'm not talking about the world to
come i'm talking about this world
a person a person who who understands
the pleasure of learning torah there is
nothing more exciting than it i give a i
give an online daf yeomanship
and i had a high school kid who joined
in you know and
he i i had to tell him at one point i
said listen eventually you're gonna have
to go back to school it's not gonna be
this much fun
you know unfortunately but a person
should be able to learn gemara and it's
like
you know when when i would sit in the
shift from shapiro
we would come out dancing we wanted to
make a bracha
blessed are you god who gave us the
torah yeah
it's it's it's the greatest thing in the
world
and so you have these people who sit
there uh you know and they
and they game and they play games and
they and they play video
and they and they and they go here and
they eat and they didn't yet
but a person who's had an experience
when you've been lifted up out of this
world so most people never had that
because they don't even know that that's
the goal of judaism
but that's what it is and i've had
secular people tell me rabbi if you
could show me
and i have a spiritual experience i
agree with you it's better than
everything else in this world
so that's all of judaism all judaism is
yeah as the messiah's hashem says why
are we in this world to get the greatest
possible pleasure
which is the spiritual pleasure from
being close to god that's it
we're not here to you know to eat to
drink
to to go swimming to you know
otherwise what do you need what do you
need a soul for that soul gives you that
existentialistic angst
that i want more out of life you should
have a counsel be the cow man
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and all of life should be one long conga
line
right douglas adams you know he in one
of his hitchhiker guides of the galaxy
books
he had this the the party the party that
never ends
there's a spaceship you know and it
flies around it's just a party every now
and then they land on a planet
you know and they steal all the uh or
the avocado to make more guacamole mix
and they go back up and then the body
just goes on forever
yeah but we're not animals we're here to
be able to have this unbelievable
spiritual pleasure that takes us
out of this world and when a person
comes out of a shear like that or a
class like that or a torque like that
and you're lifted up
it's just the best
i feel i feel that way right now as you
should
because i in my spare time listen to
myself
my own recordings i always walk away
entertained and and uplifted and
inspired
and i always very few and there are very
few good
talmud teachers out there anyway and i
and i and i always walk away
um with a new idea because i can't
remember anything i've ever said
and so i'm listening to myself talking i
hear myself asking a question i'm like
that's a great question i don't know
what the answer is that i hit my ass i'm
like oh my gosh this guy's brilliant
i do it was an old yiddish play where a
guy says right
how did noah build the tava build the
ark if noah was blind
oh that's a great question the answer
was he wasn't blind that's a great
answer
so you know rabbis robert lasky robgov
roy feldham i can't tell you how much we
appreciate once again getting together
for real torah learning and to be able
to pass on these ideas
our watchers our listeners thank you so
much for your time
and i look forward to doing this again
next planet