ASK OU/YU Seminar - 02. Chalav/Pas/Gevinas Akum/Yisrael

our next speaker that will be going into right now is Rob Bailey Gersten who is our software design now he's the we've been in coordinate in charge of sock and policy at yo-yo where all the postgame or the axis of the postgame as well making sure that every Shuma that we have every sock that we get is written up is delineated and is communicated as well all falls into his domain so reveille Kirsten has prepared a fantastic and fascinating share today on all the types of Mahakala coffee stall versus called a composite Serafina Sock'em for those that I'll try to put up the source book as well which has my McComas in otherwise you should have that source book already emailed out to you which last summer come was that reveille Kirsten will be going through today so reveille Kirsten please take it away yeah yes so BLM introduced me as the I'm the the the recorder of the sack for the oh you I just explain a little bit what I do I am in charge of the whole the different oh you documents those event rule is either the ones that are written directly by the post Kim today's special chapter of our Weiss and the ones of course mouse keys itself was the place looking for 25 years we have hundreds of trophies from him as well anybody if anyone's interested in seeing it specific to of ism's learning anyone in she was learning a topic they want to know what oh what the oh you asked to say about this the more than welcome to send me an email that's usually the easiest you could email me at Kirsten E that's ger ste and e at oh you org imagine my bailiff at the end will probably send out some different contact information for their speakers you didn't get that right away that's that's my email address that's what they do much much they just sent it out in the chat okay very good thank you okay so now I was I was asked to speak about Mahalo Kong different all of our Campinas are combi shall pass each one of these of course is a is a whole speech the whole talk in and of itself you speak a week on each one of these topics specifically what do you how do you deals with them and and they're very complex like rubber elephant mentioned you know the show cleric is you know clear what the guidelines are but I'm applying it into today's world is more complicated we'll talk about some of the complexities in a minute I want this start first with with all of of Akamai how it relates with you you now as we all know there are many standards that people have when it comes to holo become a hobby swirl so we know the call becomes an is sir everybody agrees to that call these stalls requirement and there are different opinions as to how we satisfy the requirements of all these wrong well sure all familiar with the gruesome OSHA he has his explanation about why we could drink today the regular you know regular milk USDA milk he do with nurses government inspectors sort of taking the police must keep them the rules laws okay that's uh that's it once the engine some people keep some people are Mahathir they only they only wanted use powdered milk the hearts they gave different references on the sheets where these troopers are found if you look at the source sheet a gross motions in your day ingress Moshe you're they are with its the troopers names I am and craftsman test nerd see has a beautiful truth about why you could be Mako to Train whole star coast on a powdered milk it's in his yard a a similar cough chemo and he basically he goes with the with the idea of a motion that there's government inspectors also and yes so that the fact that changed from regular milk into powdered milk is a change in the analogous to changing from milk into butter okay we know that there's a walking shark that butter does not require to be called Israel because you he explains not just because you can't make butter out of that a call of thumb made but because it changed example is only a hollow there wasn't on butter once there's a change in the form it's no longer included in the exam room people talk about this a little bit later on well more about this and then there's of course those who want to only have all these routes there's many dark is in between there's some people who we call Easter all at home so the anyway when it comes to the oh you we're Mac bid yeah when it comes to products that are labeled holy swell so we take the highest standard obviously we go with remember I'm aside we'd always we have you have your own a we have a ski at the forums we we have the cash reality the equipment ahead of time we do with us cause let's me this when it comes to regular call us so there we go with the regular rules of lobbies well I'm sorry regular rules of vigorous motion now what what complicates things a little bit is how does though you deal with with with tire of items so when it comes to and I him that was it was if the company made something that was not called as well it was regular oud and then they want to now do a pair of item so how do we deal we consider the calum to be assert or do we consider it to be a terrible so we know there's a difference in the local between AB Leo that happens for mister so for one difference is in order to kasher from something that saucer the cable have to be a minyan money you can't capture it so long as it's opinion might because the the water they use for the cash itself will become AA sir if you look in the on the notes the page check it out the first item of a lot of years the show that are in health of scholars call these well save olive love him awesome Caleb his Bachelor Ben Kuchera sir so the Salamanca masses Caleb just like any other mister there's no you don't have any coolers by call back home I have a pichia in Iraq Suffolk Chevy your but never tell me even though really we don't know for sure that anything was mixed in right so maybe you think that there should be some sort of hate you know saying the same thing with Venus Arkham Peter circle officers even if it's even if it's just they even though it's a soft fake we'll see what later on what exactly sake is our bike leaders a calm but it's not known for sure that it's also of alloys commercial and but there's one exception brings butter butter a fillable yes sir a noise Sarah second Lucius bash the Buffalo telugu sheela butter doesn't a sir the decay one she was tired with the head sir Huckle Shari can well got me partial income and he says say the same thing applies to pass and we'll see what with that as well the price also does the nasara calum so so we have two levels over here we have how loving Davina those aster like anything else fact the shock point down the Astor's toasty shim right you need nutrition times it to me without later and therefore the cashier you'd have to be anybody on money otherwise you need 60 times the walls of the clean which you're very unlikely to have in any common case so that's the role when it comes to doing a power of production you first have to cash her out the cable of course you'd have to couch too many ways that shouldn't be dairy should be their equipment or oh you label it usually sou t but but aside from that would have to hire it would have to be an opinion my you'd have to wait 24 hours before you cash her now there are companies where they do they do theory and they do powers and they do this on a regular basis they go back and forth so sometimes you can sequence the productions and they can have that they'll do only they'll do pirate of the beginning of the week they'll do theory at the end of the week the clothes over the weekend they'll cashier Monday morning and then they go back to doing power of again that's the simplest situation there are companies though it's not really feasible so so emotion feisty has a chief about this as well and the yo-yo rebelle ski held like that we should follow like this which is they you can you could capture the Kaelin twice we'll talk about this a second one this up and I have it on the sheet over here I didn't quote the whole juggler I just gave you the Martin Malcolm for it it's a motion here today based in lemon olive being a hug Allah shall pasteurizer cashew been young will McCullough vacuum initiates ELISA C has a trooper is there Nate's at the cashiers it when still have been young like the the basically his his eight is if you car should be twice weekly Michael even though we said that it doesn't help the cash or a clean been your mo because it makes it back to Easter again every time I kasher I'm just reinvigorating the sir reinstating it I'm not doing I'm not accomplishing anything but the truth is that this depends on the concept of Karthika nicest available okay so there's a there's a preemie garden and I quoted it right after that it was Moshe the next little paragraph over there the the prima darling rights in its in your they insisted Alice Simmons are the science of canal of its the very end of that it's a long piece in the prima Gotham and the very end he quotes from it he has a true basement vast he's quoting from if I was talking about making sugar and the used to I am used to make sugar they would put milk they were aired as a whitener into the into the sugar and the question was maybe makes it all officer why don't you say Kathy canastas navale over there even though they had more ingredients and we get spoiled off and it gets silly and they won't be there anymore but I share ready be too late once you have the milk it should be thickened a system a walk so this is the very very end of the truth of those of his of the prima cousins that Simon he's assumed you miss young all of shal Isaac economy ash Lyon Bay he says well I understand why isn't there a problem of of Halle become the a Schlemmer the list if I had two Halloweens ago suddenly beam and sama rock right even though we just said that according to the shower the ROM all we need sixty to be North to firm Kovac him to be bottle but it's not much chemical there there is opinion of this and a third their halls they need his box of the right you don't need shishun the hostels he's on she should be none has to be regard even though we don't hole like this we hold you do need you do need them sixty we cannot come Karthik analysis available sherry Sturm uber from Allah yes logical but as we know from those who learned here daya yeah canal Allah is a moral decay sir and therefore be Malcolm has some rule but for instance were Mako she says over here says well this is only Shari Sir Ian laughs Paula okay plus we have the system hunter who says that it's possible rife this we can rely you add that she didn't and then he says a very interesting thing at the end he says Nicole she gained after Shane watts I called Tommy this is the prima Gotham who lived in the seventeen hundreds speaking over here I lived in in in Germany in the 1700s and he says that it's not so you there's no how oft I may be as mad as I say you know you know even when it's not much sorry the exam is still applies but that's only Michonne like plug and whenever something is only awesome you should blow like plug there sometimes they're sort of coolest to it so here's a people that I'm saying since are they in what sick old tell me at all the whole thing the acid is only be shown we strum like blog and over here you have the sheet of they said hats in the holes is about to broke and we're only dealing with something which is its last block which anyways makan have said you could be Mako so the premium says you don't have to worry about the issue of kala vacuum when it comes to well you have to worry about called welcome Ramona has a similar smart to this slightly different he he says more generally in terms of he served row Bonham by last block whether you say well whether we say come on by any issue drop on the last block in Russia he uses that it's the same idea is what the people gonna say just the people Gotham is localized to call back home and the oh you has adopted this relationship with a sort of with the explanation though of the premium guarded meaning we do assume that by other he saw him by other he strength rebuttal and we do hold open on even washbowl uh when it comes to call back home we rely on this idea that much you don't say come on in such a case based on this people garden so if you don't say Hernan then it would help the cashier the CLE twice even been here I might because my gosh sure the first time it's gonna dilute the answer I'd say I assume I don't have 60 in a CLE connected weekly but I assume I for sure ten and I even pipes and things like that if I put through a large quantity of water through it you for sure have ten times the the you know the the metal we'll call it the the size of the huh wherever the metal is hot through the utensil I am able to flush through tremendous amount of water to do the cash ring which the companies do anyways their own purposes they have we call a CIP a CIP stands for a cleaning in place cleaning a place means this is how the company cleans their own equipment they have a procedures cleaning in place is like they push a button and it will go through send through a certain amount of detergent a certain amount of of acid wash a certain amount of clean water cold water hot water different temperatures it'll monitor and this will get it's all computerized and you could program ahead of time to see what that what that system is there certain items that you can't do a CIP they have to be taken and cleaned out of place baking pans and all types of things like that there's you know the obviously there's no CIP for those those are those are cleaned out of place but but large machinery that they have there's no way to dissemble it you'd have to get a every day you know engineers and people who solder and welders together to put together the machines if you're gonna take in a place and try you scrubbing it out so the companies for their own purposes have to have a system that is gonna clean out not just the main tanks but the pipes they have to make sure that the everything through till the end is all going to be cleaned especially they're going from places going from dairy to pie roof they don't want to have issues with allergens things like that they want to be able to you know mention that their idea started so so the oh you will rely then in such a case on doing a double CIP we'll call it oftentimes the CIP might have even in it uh uh hot caustic ha of course things like a soap but it's more powerful even it's like a concentrated form of soap is called caustic it's the those who study chemistry know what caustic is it's the it's those items with a very very high pH are called caustic you know sodium hydroxide you know why that's that's what's called caustic soda so anyway that's what they'll put in to clean it out caustic has the has the advantage that it reacts with oils so whenever you have a sodium hydroxide and an oil coming together they will react or cause a reaction and those forms actually form soap so it if you wanted to get all the proteins all the all the you know all the facts out of out of your system the most effective way of doing it is to use caustic that's why you'll hear well here well there's also talk about cache rego is they talked about using caustic that's the that's we use dish soap at home in factories they use something called caustic anyway so um the that's that's basically the this what do you realize aren't they do allow therefore kashering even been llamo with a double capturing there are there are certain spin-offs of this idea as well if you have a company that does milk ok they're doing ice cream and now they're gonna do a a you know an Isis you know some sorbet I wanted to be part of so the so there you have a hundred melt you have to cash remit twice what happens if you have a product that has only a small amount of milk in it it's five percent milk they're putting you into some you know the making service syrup and they're putting in a little bit amount of milk powder into the syrup mostly they do part of and once a once in a while they do a part of they do a dairy syrup that has in it some some theory then like we just said you wouldn't even have to cashier it twice then because if the whole amount of dairy in there to begin with is five percent so that we assume the amount of the beliya in the walls of the clay is only 5% Lia now if I kashering it and I say I have ten times the amount of water can I get the volume of the clay so then I have I have ready was it xx and this isn't 10 times xx Syre have 200 times the the booyah by atomic assuring and I have 10 times the volume of the wall and the wall itself is only is only 5% and so it's ready at xx so I have 10 times 20 I have 200 times the water and we only need shishun so using that same idea you could you know if it's if it's more than a certain amount they're ready do you cuts you know makes a distinction if it's more than about 12% or sold in the oh you says no we don't want you coming yet only once but it's a small amount like 5% 6% somewhere in that range then we know we allow kashering yeti who wants with the same if you don't say cut it announces the Velo by last block like this prima ghana them then if i even cash her at once that would be enough and then I could call the item afterwards I call a master miss Paris now when it comes to factories another important thing to deal with is the is the water that heats the product at home we just heat in a pot we put the pot on the fire is only concerned I know my concern is the pot itself in factories they don't heat with fire he was steam and the steam is heated by jacketed jacketed kettles jacketed kettles mean that there there's like a space between the two walls of the of the vessel isn't like an empty space a hollow area that surrounds that goes around the around the kettle and that whole area fills with steam it gets ejected in on one side and it exits from the bottom and the whole vessel from top to bottom is getting heated it's actually a more efficient way of cooking because when I heat with fire the fires on the bottom of the pot mean the steam jacketed kettles so the way they heat is with steam so this now makes an additional problem it's not just for dairy but this is going to be even a more serious problem when it comes to non-kosher which is that the the steam itself you know can get a get a bleeder of the non-kosher or the dairy so if I have seemed on one side of the cattle and I have very inside the cattle we know that we wish that the bleeder doesn't only extend all the way through the thickness of the volume of the of the cattle but it'll also go to a liquid or steam on that's on the other side of it as well so not only does the we have an issue now with the you know that we have to capture the kettles but we have to capture the boiler right and this boiler could be used for multiple you know cannot simultaneously and this will so though you have several ways that we deal with this you know you mentioned this is a serious question when it comes to theory but it's an even more serious question that comes to non-kosher comes to theory see at least everything else would be we call an up or not it would be Bleus through the CLE into the water and then from the steam into the next kettle so that would really be an issue a nice thing time for enticing Tom into the next into the next item comes tasers you know there's no hectare of Napper nap he did not burn up are not ten times a hundred times it's all going to be a solicitor one way that you know you deals with this is by putting chemicals into the boiling water there's a there's a chemical that the only likes to use is called bit tricks it's called bit tricks from the word bitter it's a extremely bitter chemical and it will make the water in the boiler completely undrinkable unpalatable at all in fact it's a chemical that's used that they put into itself is not poisonous but they'll put it into poisonous items to make sure that people don't drink it so they might use the tricks for instance and perfume or and you know different other things that laying around the house the children might get their way into and might you know have to show them drink from these items so you put a little drop of the tricks in there and then no kid whatever as soon as they put it on their tongue they all go running off to their mother so anyways that's that's one way you know you had several ways of doing it another simple way of dealing with the issue just to have the oldest theme not be recirculated back to the boiler but it goes down to drain and that that's an effective method depending on the place that could be used as well so the many methods have though you deals with it but this is something that you have to keep in mind when you're dealing with very and powerful as well because like adventure for not everybody out there well know you give Scott Caan as oud is acceptable to them and therefore no use very cognizant of this and when it comes to Paris we want it to be acceptable to everybody nobody should think that well tell you or certify a regular dairy therefore the power of items or maybe you know the more lacks when it comes to those items no we we have it as sort of like two separate worlds yes we consider the oh you plain milk to be kosher but yeah when it comes to those comes to the Paris we we have we have that as well that we're okay there's a lot more to speak about when it comes to home I just want to speak up for a word or two about about Davina you know when it comes to green out there they also mentioned in the introduction it has to be much kiosk in every plant in order to make Venus Heathrow there has to be now there's two ways that you could make energy sprouts really amok like is the Roma and the and the Shah if you look at and the pie item on the on the piece of the year once the chakra sis Coast has voted base says green a technical problem also in the nation of either my Samba or cavus rito-san machine available so so the reason that they were guys around vena is because of Venus merciful of love then maybe the reminded it with novella which is a common thing in tasks that used to be it's nowadays the more common thing is to use microbial rennet which means that they grow is from microbes they actually it's grown in a lab and that's the rennet that we use today that's the 99% of rennet or ran it to make cheese today in the world is made with microbial rennet but in in ancient times hundred years ago or maybe more even than that the way you made rent it was you talk to the line of the CAF and like it says if you use the chalk talks by either using caiva which is the milk that was inside the stomach or you could use the ORAC a phone if you use the lining of the stomach now if you use the lining of the stomach it's flashing if it was ejected and it wasn't shocked if it's available you know why you should not be used but what you should have used is the cave itself the milk from inside the inside the calf and that was the you know the kosher way to make to make cheese now the more brain cells over here people have moved about seven my syrup but even if the person used a thousand or microbial rennet or any of that it would still be uh sir okay we don't differentiate okay in a minute painless let's gather and local shinagawa had to make I might him alas a certain community has such a hat from before once you not be make all about that to use you know if you use our microbial ran it today and just say why I'm sorry Matt but that's what they're using unless you that one area held like that but you know but we're not for that sign a comment fine and the the Rama says when you slow lyusya scurvy navaja Weaver but if it sees the making of the cheese that's motor that's known as the hetero kiss well we're you and that's the the standard that the Rama requires to make given if you sell if you smell why are you the shock disagrees he says no it's not enough for a year to see the making of the cheese you know he sees that putting in myself in more renin or microbial Randy there's you know some other kosher ingredients in from the shark says the way you make OSHA cheese is you have to have the swell himself put the ran it into the chin to the milk you need it to be you need to be neatly moment it with you need you swells reminded the cheese so that's the that's a my name is Marcus the the Rama and the Shah the shock has a dozen way to make cheese a little more complicated which out that which is too which is if the if the year owns the milk itself the belongs to the lid then and that's considered to be Venus Israel even if even if it wasn't a year to put in the milk how do we pass skin so the fiscally true boys you look at the next item on the sheet the trooper brings I am great the between the shower okay the shock was mask Amir who says you have to have these well put in the rennet I interviewed oh sure we academia drama maybe who's my three years I walk is like the mama like a shark the parasympathetic ain't her around Memphis yeah I could have in the pre tire the cost of she came pusher Dominican that's how the mini promotion feisty has any tumor as well and you write - that's the Minich today is we follow the wrong law now like the shock but even that's true that that's Baker Aloha these fans are - Chavez has been to follow like the Shah at least woke up clear so the the because if you do like the shark first of all it's much in a in a commercial setting it's much more accurate to say that I like I put in the rennet that they say I saw the that's the dosing of it for a very simple reason today everything is inside of that it's inside of you know it's the old systems they say you saw the rear of the putting in of the rennet very hard to say you saw it what do you mean what did you see you could see someone push the button what exactly I did you know it's not always understand clear but you know you could see they load it up this I love with this you know this and then they push the button and assuming that that's what pumps from here to here and you know the systems that's yes like I really need today you're not actually seeing the making of the cheese it's all happening behind you know sealed vessels if you do like the shark though you could say if the machiya pushes the button and he therefore doses in the the milk into the you know doses the vented into the into the VAT he did what the shark said he did the Athiya he made the cheese you did that eye shadows right the person will be higher carpets firma capping so so anyway that's the Malaka of you know that the most prices today in the oh you system they'll have the mesquita push the buttons don't be the one that actually doses it in there are a few exceptions one exception is on Shabbos some cheese factories which are open 7 days a week and you can't dose in the rennet on Chavez even if you want to do it and it's more huh so in those places you have to rely Aria so much care has to be there yes either open up the VAT or you can you know you can watch them at the keyboard without pushing the buttons and you could see that they loaded and demanded into the proper place beforehand so we Steven knows that we had a track cashman of what goes on in their in their places and that's the so that's when it comes to you know Vina there's really only one standard which is you know there has to be clean if you throw there are those that make the mistake of thinking their emotions had their hull of applies to cheese as well and that's incorrect it's clear that emotion himself did not hold that way here's Chile's about Vina and he discusses over there how he brings it that retarding the milk equally Maiko but by the cheese he says it becomes Venus Arkham yeah he has a troop about there that way and he talks about how the cheese is gonna become convenience Arkham even though the milk was all high as well said sir exactly how we deal with way that's all share in itself how do you deals with you know certification are way because it does involve greener tackle but most of it I mean you can have kosher cheese me made and kosher way but you could also have kosher way made from green Asylum with sounds surprising but that's many troopers about this Moshe is a famous tuber but others as well that there they allow this and there has to do the fact that the milk itself that you're producing it from is is kosher and Vina does not affect the way it's a cold pilot process making of cheese you just add the ran it and the milk on its own hurdles and produces these little balls of like Irish cheese which then get pushed together and made into cheese and the milk that stays behind is the way that stays kosher even when you're making green attack on just for a word or two about about pass I would mention that you know most items that the oh you certifies are under the category of pass palter if a person's Mac's been policy so there's a minute admission Brewer brings on Chavez the immaculate passes well certainly doing a sesame trooper there's a very widespread me mimic to the max please in Spanish Allah did not quit during a search to maneuver it's not so clear by Shabbos mr. Brewer says near to because I'm not gonna realm that a person should be marketed there are those who are making on Chavez okay anyway people I'm asking so then the person should not assume that a product is is passed you swell unless it says so word there is a no you list of products that are passes so which you can get for of ALS and it'll list over there all the products whether they say so now which are indeed pass is thrown I quoted over here the terrace katas which pieces will give you the outline of why we are not mat good today he writes that because I took her off the years yes sir of particle and he brings over here partial Arkham now Google had to grow in the climate okay malaria okay dinos she fought Pasha that mini Guajira you write the Minich today is tea maker on Hanah pass well quite a few church the parties well even when it's available the Minegishi Mako omission Isabel Yakima Cosima she writes laughs no laughs like one one see Michael Mary should you ask according to whatever standards he sees fit for himself okay so many things I'm gonna be on them and I should be my shuttle Yom Kippur that's them then the ministry may is to be maximum okay but aside from that the mini aside from that the mini basically Michael says no mo and therefore lighter copies aroma and therefore he says I'm not going to give you so many rules you know that whatever standard a person chooses for themselves that's that's the a you know that's adequate just one word on Vishal Vishal Arco BC so Vishal our company show is not a you know it's not optional Vishal you saw is mandatory okay so it says there is no cool of we don't ask at least any coolers of special pulper you know there is such a idea brought out but we don't know passing like that and therefore all owe you products are officially so now sometimes it'll say on ik bitterly saw and sometimes it won't and that's because there's different cheetahs in when we require resell for example just a famous example the tuna fish the oh you does not require officially so for tuna fish because it is steamed and Keter steaming is one of the hot air iam brought down in many of their high name that it does not require it's like a shun it's like smoking it is not required to be as well but when it comes to but some people are Maxima they want it to be officially as well so the oh you does special fish you so long as it's or the fish it'll either will say B Y sufficiently slow or it could say OUP as in Pesach if it so you pay something automatically Herschel patience so sometimes you do have sort of two levels of official you swell but it's not because one of them is kosher and what is that is because one of them is kosher and one of them is for those who have chromosome hadron and things like that but oh oh you products all are considered vishal yes well according to the posting of vou according to so bells keys and cell or you public is always in a virtual chester they consider all the products to be this year so i guess it's all the time is this product Bashir al you know people ask Leo you yes all products of the oh you are of course specially so they have to be otherwise though you could not certify them okay if anybody's any questions or and they can email me as well or you could ask does anyone have any questions or we call them for later a little bit I yeah there's one question yeah you mentioned you mentioned there were four but about the cheese factories operating on Chavez so does that mean that the Mafia goes in and just watches the cheese being produced on actually on Travis yes sure they always could tell you more about that but we like do you have a company that deals with everybody else anyway but the door yes you just watches the fact they have a special apartment set up for them they have kosher food of course there's no kitchen they have their own you know you sleep there it's not just one much gear yeah it's oftentimes they have shifts of muskegon they have to have two or three Marquis and we were there for Shabbos because these types of places in London shop is running like 24/7 there they're not just Shabbos they're their onion t'v they're there I don't even think they get off the yom kippur they have to be there all the time so it's always the same Ischia mushy I'll go for a week and every mascara go for a different week now that type of thing but there are there are teams in Muskegon who go to these places and the days when it's sharp attentive they are there they are watching but they cannot do anything if there's an issue I guess we RC will hear the rabbinic coordinator when you're about it after Shabbos because there's nothing that anybody could do really on Chavez this is what you know this was going on but yes they're absolutely there with the whole you know you know situation going on with Kofi today it makes things even more complex that you can imagine they don't want too many people's coming so they you know they're either limiting how many machines are allowed in and things so it puts extra burden on those who are there they don't want you know they want to take people's temperature they want to make sure they have the masks and the claws and everything so it's it's even more complicated but yes we have troopers and all the different issues that have come up deal with them yeah bash em we've been able to it's very complicated you know and but we're able to continue every girl sent out justice travail upon this jumping for a second in terms of hosh gothis on Chavez or ever Gerson's talking about those plants where we have mushroom 24/7 I just got off the phone the only want them there's all sorts of issues that have come up recently with all the kovat requirements one of the plants that I work with and has a full-time in Mesquite them just instituted a new computer system so basically when you walk into the place you have to trigger an automatic door they trigger man or that triggers an automatic turn on the computer terminal that they have to log and for a lot of survey work they've been and then the automatic takes a temperature for that so we work with the plant in that case somebody from the Quality Assurance lab meets them outside when their shift is about the star takes then they physically take the temperature and then you know does a question and manually so they're taking the board a lot of this whole Shabbos thing I think someone else all sites what about all the places on Chavez is there Mears ass because of you know they know masculine becoming bigger things you speak about then ready no I didn't yeah so just briefly a number bielski used to tell my sheets and periodically to check themselves done a family into a nice hotel and to walk over that provide us with a home Shabbos and walk over to a facility that they visit so it doesn't happen all the time but there are places where I've worked with come from my mush kitchen was well but at Damascus checked himself into hotel around the corner and then walked in or sometimes they can walk from where they live just depends on the location and will actually go in on Chavez so you're absolutely correct and they do need to be there in order for them or the interior they need to be there for the mere sauce to work we are actually going to pause now for two minutes and then we're going to have a Shriver Baker stand thank you very much for your time today I'll put reverie Gerson's email on the screen again right now those I want to reach out to with any questions that's Gerson he it or you that org on every Gerson thank you very much for being with us today okay thank you thank you for having me