Inside ArtScroll - Season 5 Episode 12: Rabbi Feivel Mashinsky – Remembering The Klausenburger Re...

[Music] Hello everyone and welcome back to inside art scroll where the books you read and the people who write them come to life. Today I am privileged to be joined by Rabbi Fial Mashinski, a close Talmud of the Klesenberger Rebbo, who's here in honor of the release of the brand new biography on the Kloenberger Reba. Thank you, Rabbi Mashinsky, for joining us. You're very welcome. It's a big honor to sit with you. It's my honor to be involved with an arts grow production. Thank you. And I I know you you were and I would say are a Talmud of the Kazenber. And here's this brand new book written beautifully by Rabb Bernbam. And there were options on the table of who to speak to. And when I spoke to the people behind this book, they said, "I have to speak to Rabbi Mashinsky." So that's amazing. I appreciate that you made the effort to come from Muny where you live to Raw, New Jersey toh talk about the book and also to talk about the Reb with whom you were very close. Uh, and it's interesting you grew up in Muny and you still live there, native my uh, person. um h how did it evolve that a young boy from my should have that connection to the rebba? Talk a little about your youth and your your uh formative stages. Firstly, I must begin that um for me to say that I'm as a close tal of I could hardly call myself as meaning uh the the lowest of the low of the hard to repeat the tal of the klesba. Yes, I learned the yeshiva there quite a few years. I learned in ky a couple of years and the family of course had a very close relationship with kgba. The relationship to Klesburg interesting started actually tough 1946 Klesenberg came to America was shabas kesh parl and he came to Williamsburg for shabas um met of course where my father's was a very very close dear sent nine bakim to see the was pedagogue He understood who belongs where and he selected these nine bakim actually four went Friday night I believe and five went for shalash so the reverse and my father got connected to the rebba at that moment and remained the at zoolah until the day he was he was nif what connection did it have well he kabal shabas from there he walked my father walked over to the mashibble where closing was ding was up to he was up to and by the words he spent almost an hour singing and crying and and reaching out to physically reaching out and my father looks at here's a he that just lost his wife his 11 children his mother his siblings his whole kil got wiped out he saw the Europe burning. He saw the greatest and the greatest dying in concentration camp and he's saying the words how is that possible that made him and until the day he was nif he was and he instilled in us between and those who were his two rebad my name is I'm named after the this was his life this was his His his mission and client passes on from generation to generation. My father was a Rebi for 56 years. Yes. From Miy and literally every single day those two were mentioned. Then at that time was till the day he was this went on. Wow. And that's my connection. So when the Reb came back to America in the year tin he came because his wife the Rabbitson was ill at that time. He came here for 13 weeks. He came right after sukus. He stayed here to kamisha. At that time I was learning in Bishar and Miy and of course he had a desire to learn in closen. I had two older brothers. Both of them actually went to Kirat Sans to learn. My oldest brother went at the age of 13 which is today's unheard of. send the little child off to yeshiva 13year-old child but I must add that called up my mother and asked to have my brother come to learn inel she told her don't worry she'll be he'll be like a child by me he will eat by me he will sleep by me I will learn with him privately which he did it's actually brought in the book and he was supposed to the agreement was for one year but he stayed three and a half years he came back at the age of 16 and a half for actually he spent I think one fortnite, one night he spent in my the rest of the time was together with the Reb. But that is basically our shreb. So when the rabbi came at those 13 weeks and we of course spent many shabbasim there and many that there Thursday night of course it gave me this desire to join my older brothers and kaneka time I picked myself up left besa and but I must add by the beast and by the coaxing and coaching of my rebrea gendel who pushed me very much I should go encouraged me to go to learn closen and I went to learn closen where I'm at the age of 15 to know because you you grew grew up in Monte going to Yeshiva Spring Valley. Typical American. Your father was a rebi. Your mother, what did your mother do? My mother was actually the principal of Basul school. Oh, Bahul. Later on, she became a writer. Yes. She was a talented writer as well. She wrote some books people may know. Yes. As we mentioned, the fire in the sky was the first book she wrote. She wrote the book of course Chance Encounters, which is an arts girl production. And she wrote Enra was his wife. folder. It says on the anonymous author, I'll let you in on the secret that my mother was actually the writer of it of which was produced by Hel. So you grew up with with two illustrious parents. Yes. But you went to Yoshiva Spring Valley and then Shraa. Was it a somewhat of a culture shock to go to to Yes, it was. Number one, I did not speak Yiddish as my children did not speak Yiddish. Secondly, we dab the lit and the thirdly I love to dam. So the first year was boot camp. Uhhuh. I must say it was boot camp. The change was dramatic. And you know, should I say that I had reservations? I must say I probably had reservations sometimes in the middle of the year. But at the same time, I was in the glow. I was in the I was haloed by the CLBA. So it was nothing like that. Was nothing like that. It was amazing. And did someone help you with that transition or was it just by osmosis that you by? Yes. Nobody helped. If anything they anything it was like I said it was boot camp but it took around a year and I I fit in after a year I fit in quite well. Did your father have a aid background at all? So yes, my father his father was shahid. He came here in 1911 right after he had got married which is a long history was he came how he came at that time together with his share who was a nemer fuks who was a illustrious cipher they came from a trisa tna chernobyl neighborhood near k of gagund that's where he grew up and although he was clean shaven for many many years but then everybody was clean shaven but he was a fire digger for brento mhm M and later on when came to America of course he became a he was very and then uh when the came that was the that was a change from those but it sounds like your father was yik from whoever it could be yonik from whether it was down to the last day of his life when he was very close to Maya silverberg which could have been his grandchild right right and he was lazinger as well so going back so you're you go to closenberg which which is in in the No, in Union City was in Union City. Yeah. I never The rebel was still in America. Yes. The rebel was in America. Then from Tin Bay, he was here for 13 weeks. Went back to for a few months until left to pes and then he came and he was in one shot straight until tin until 1984 198. So you learned in which years? I learned it from 1972. Tin until tin lit test. End of tit. And you say you learned in the yeshiva under the rebba. What was the reba give a shir? How what was that relationship like? Uh the rebound goldman he was at that time uh was in his at that time and the way in order to be to get to the black which is every single day you had to 300 blackis coming from a lit to 300 was was unheard of such a thing. So of course there were 14 15 year olds that were kids that were doing it and yet me it took me until I was 18 to be able to do this but at the age of 18 I was to join the rebash daily in addition to that the used to give a pilpush once a week just to give an idea I was like to share the story when the reb was near so near katans there was such a thing called a beta which is basically like a rehabilitation center where a lot of rashier shiva used to spend time especially during the summer time they used to come. They used to stay over there. A lot of literally Israel actually stayed used to be there. Anyway, there was a certain liter that came and every single day the rabbi used to give a shir every single day. Thursday, he used to give a pill. Then Friday morning, early morning he used to give their Friday night he would say a pill by his tish. That week was shabasim. So he would say a pilp and shabas morning before before laning. And then there was left in the evening of course by besides there was terrorists besides comes to shish and the is talking about with the tearful cries he would say how is such an empty like that does not exist in the whole world. this list of Shiva is listening to this he was first of all he was blown away by the godless of and he hears this Sunday morning he goes into the he said I have to share with you a story his when he's going around selling his say once he was it's a common story people know it he was picked up once by you eat in the wagon asked him where do you want to go see I'm going to this and this place he was selling as far and strikes up a conversation with him he asks him um where do you come from he said I come from oh you probably know the said yeah what do you say about the he's not what people make of him this person was hast turned around and slapped in the face and when he came to the next town of course there they recognized him and he throws himself in the ground and apologized to the said then zeta is it seems that you're not allowed to talk about yourself either repeats the story to the reb Reba, you're not allowed to talk about yourself. I'm not worried nobody's going to slap me. That was his cute humor that he had his his humility and his humor together. Yeah. So this was a typical sedime when I turned 18. My brother at that time my older brother who was an adher he wrote chuas to the reba he wrote pill pulin Friday night and he suggested when he was like retiring was getting married he would suggest become the reb the writers the reb's writer said I don't know how to write though no I'm telling you become the reb's writer you know how to do it you know how to do it and I must say I thank him till today um the first writing was uh I stayed pes that year and you by Reba and Friday night Shabas there was no writers to write the Reb's pilpaid said a pilp Friday night and I paid attention I really listened to it very well and I wrote the pilp shabas wrote the pill and that was the first pill that I wrote and then from then I remained the reb's writer for like a year almost until I got married which is like a year and four months later and the rebu would review so the reb yeah that's I used to bring it in Sunday morning Sunday morning I used to bring it into the reb that's the kept the spyus that I was there ready Sunday morning with a fully written thing and used to review it and write comments on it. I never was I wasn't lucky I was nish. I didn't take advantage. I should have taken the the Reb's copies today. It wasn't worth a lot of money. And so and this went on like I say like a year and four months that I was the Reb's writer. Um years later I retyped all these titles. I was already a younger man and pur I brought it to the reb as a present uh and I told the reb I I want I just wanted to show it to the I wanted to bind it no it's good it's good just leave it here leave it a week later he calls in the reb's right at that time was he says I read through five things there's some things that I said over here all having said done a lot of this stuff is in print today in fact that year just to give you a sab just to picture what Klesbury was about. Um by the coff the rebus. So there was 40 small they would say during their ins is they dominate at night by day some at night some by day. Mhm. And just the schedule the schedule was literally 24 hours. The the hak ended for at night ended in the morning and it was all day event and the ter the rebu was constantly speaking constantly speaking by between the hakafas there were certain that he would say and we say terus on it was 108 terus that the said now how do I remember 108 terrorists. So first we had paper clips and anything that sometimes in the same then I I scheduled there was some other I want you to help me remember from you help remember I delegated and then I wrote I wrote these and these teras have been printed already which is otherwise they never been lost these terrors would have been lost was also was unusual year was tshin lmed vv tshin lad Hey from um Shu's time maybe even earlier the Reb expected Msiah to come imminently why because the commander and the bring six times in the mashia is coming there will live the Msiah Mashia Mashia in fact oldest brother the one that lived I mentioned before he learned together with he learned together with the learned here together every day the Reb would do a countdown literally he was counting SP until Mashia comes Mashia is coming and every night we talk about what's going to be when Msiah comes and he says Mashia comes and all my I'll be so embarrassed what am I going to do but I have the want to use once I'm there it'll push me through already said this no this kind of he told this to my son to my brother when they were learning together. Yeah. That that's how he felt. And this went on until fromash on. We didn't hear a word about Msiah. Not a word about Mashia. In fact, he was very concerned people wanted to move to Israel. At that time wanted to go to learn. He was afraid. He said Mashia's Titan who knows Muhammad. He was very very fr frightened about this and comes Rajashani stopped talking about it completely first was all about Msiah again all about Mashiach and it brings of course the commandments it was it was just it was like we felt it I must add this concept had this ability depicting situations that you felt mish alive I'll just give you I'll share with you one story we'll go back many many Yes, my father as mentioned Linton Todd. Okay, this was already probably either right before he got married or right after he got married. He had gone back to live his parents lived in Williamsburg. Anyway, there was a group of boys that came from South America to learn intervas and my father was macar lot of these boys. There was one boy that his father was Jewish. His mother was not Jewish and he came also to learn and there was a big issue at that time. What should they do? Should they accept him? Should they not accept issue of exactly how they should handle the situation? And meanwhile he was there at the Anyway, my father went Friday night with Shabasesh to grab his tish. We took along this bak this bak didn't know a word of yiddish and my father sto stood in the back of the bismet the back of the tish and my father was repeating to this child how the was depicting what it's going to be like when Msiah comes and was with with such clarity with such vivid imagination how Mashia is going to this boy was like so taken he said Mashiah is going to come and I'm going to be a half Jew I want to be Mia and it seems that's went and he should come up himself. So my father went together with a boy Sunday morning together with a friend. This boy bur along a friend. So my father and there was um the mikvi in the mikvah and one other person the meal I think he had was just not sure about that but then um the rebba said in addition I know you learning yeshiva already uh I would like you to undertake one thing that you don't have to undertake but just because you want to be had very long hair. I guess there was a style didn't long so I like to cut off your hair. This is like cutting off his hair. I was cutting my hair cut off here. This other boy that was with him was also from South America and also had long hair. Boy often splashes you know I'll cut off my hair and then it won't look so fam cut off his hair. That's before that's human and after this he went into mikah say just to give an idea of how the rebas's godless and besides everything else he godless of his way of speech of way of delivery today there are hundreds hundreds lit hundreds and hundreds of tapes of you hear the clarity of whether it's learning or whether it's stories that he really repeat or life experiences or mashim that he would give with such clarity it was amazing So yes so uh that was my not only that I used to write his as well his was difficult the reba at that time was already older and he couldn't take cold so the room where he sat in was like 90° it was like the bak just to stay awake was difficult how many bakham were in the shar at the time uh 20 25 maybe probably peak was maybe 30 bakram and was s at the sh and the began also he used to suffer terrible headaches. He used to sit he used to have this band. They used to they took a band like a cloth band and they'd freeze it. They pulled that on his head. He suffered terrible migraines. He suffered migraines since World War II. He said that that's what caused these terrible migraines. He was the takeed like like non-stop the most strongest uh painkillers because of this because of the anyway and that's you sit you talk very quietly. It was a hard time to to hear him as well. But I remember learning I have to share with you the story talking about learn button one. The first that I went to the Reb and the Reba starts discussing what what does it mean button blast? Doesn't mean a hook. It doesn't mean a button. goes to whoever use such a lot this exact and um whether it is a button whe it's a hook it's a button an hour and a half you spent on that rash I was exploding this is I was used to the reb guy through together it was like an ex a brain exercise and here you're listening to the reb for an hour and a half is depicting this rashi taking it apart don't know what means. Anyway, when the Shia was over, I ran downstairs. I went to such a thing which is called the public telephone. I don't know if anybody knows what that means today. And I call up my father and it says Alanar Jaz Pali. I had to find myself 300 black mares to hear a shield what the button is. And my father says tell me more. Tell me more. Tell me more. So I explain to them says that was a bianca kamki. was to understand every single many many years later I was sitting together with the Reb's son-in-law in the car I was repeating to him those good old days and I repeated to him the story the rebbitson was sitting his rebbitson was sitting in the back the reb's daughter sitting in the back is I'll say this mataz lus is my father 95% This is T and that's the way his blat was push like I mentioned was Friday night was it was a li in fact that style of pilp style of learning there was many many of the that his had that say the father the rebb had was and that is that where the reba got his mahala and the reba had his mahala from that I'll share another story with I wanted that to be one of the first stories in the book um I had fed myself 300 black meruses and a year later the rebel was getting on my case okay that's it by the way there was such titles in the yeshiva there was a title if you fel 300 blat you got a titana and they gave you such a like a diploma 600 blot was a thousand blat was a marino you know to kids 16 17 year olds they would f themselves the wicesis and it wasn't stump of hair was a very tough hair I don't even kas were very very tough type of hairs really tough type of hairs in any case um so uh he's not my hair I should say okay I let give my excuse I let the shivas I started late I'm a late bloomer what do you want from me so let me tell Let me share with you a story. It says when he was a child, he was 78 years old. I told you seven eight years old and the bin the eel came to visit his father and he was a very famous bald darian uh the misel's family all that so they're all related and he came to dash in he came to he was a big mafal very much into and was morning to say a pill Sunday morning they're eating the reb's father were eating breakfast together and the Reb walks in and the the asks the rebal what do you say to his beloved says I could do the same thing is it say he got up on a cheer and he was learning the just painting pictures he was 7 years old he was learn and the finger's eye said a whole ple for me. They were laughing for me. But from that day on, I've been saying until today we could once we could. Uhhuh. Yes. So that was uh that just to share that story. So yes, and that was my connection to McBa those years. Of course, the yes is yes. Yes. Um uh and uh the huskash that I had was taken discussions of that last year and four months when I had open doors to the reb today a lot of rebas closed in order to get into you have to have the greatest protection if you come with something to talk learning he had was open he couldn't wait he was I'm not a I'm not a real estate agent. I'm not a business financer. You come with a divide papers and that was open doors for anyone and they used to bring in this and review it and discuss it and and my brothers of course he had even a closer sh he's very had a very close shas with people with good hands himself of course brilliant brilliant. So he and a lot of the the chuyat that were written was my brother's works. Mhm. It's amazing. We're sitting here for for a little while and you're talking about the reb is godless and many people outside of this conversation are not even aware of that component of the reb godless. Yes. They hear rabbit. tell you, oh, he endured the gem of the Holocaust and he lost his rabbit and his gun and then he came and they'll tell you he built Liato Hospital. They'll skip over they'll skip over the whole mahus of who the claim was. It's amazing. It's amazing. Heard a good gadunk about that. T there were years that the Reb's ter was not so visible the years postwar years where they was busy building up. In fact, a lot of times he said, "First I'm trying to make the Holocaust survivors human beings." He says, "Look what he says about that he taught them how the the how to eat the three times a day that basically he taught them human behavior. These that went through a concentration camp, they were not subhuman people. They when they see food was they would attack food like was it was un uh uncontrollable." First I want them to be human beings. Then I wanted them to make them yed. Then I want to make them say then I want to make them but he was the first and foremost to jump into this idea number one of America was unheard of such a thing. And yeshiva of course you read the book you'll find out about uh postconentration camps nor the DP camps. We had over 40 moist from day one. I I mentioned this as well. Well, I wanted uh reb to write this in the book. We talked about the Reb's years in concentration camps. Now, the the Reb's year in concentration camp, of course, we understand the Reb was going through gehenna beyond our imagination. But yet at the same time, at the same moment, he was so connected to Hashem. He was so connected to Yiddish with no compromise whatsoever. I'll just give a dugma. One of the chasat of the Shil was about second day whether one is permitted to mar before this or you have to wait until after this the Reb writes it's very important for me to answer this question why is when I came to the I came to was second night and I had that shah whether I have to wait for this picture the scene here's a Eid that was in cattle cough three When they started out, there was 2,000 people alive. When they came, there was 200 people alive. They they they um they when they came off the the cattle cars, they were chased with Dobermans and with the Rottweilers with German shepherds and the the concern that he had at that time were the to be with these letter that was how is it physically possible for a person to be that way? Number one throughout the concentration camp was about what he's going to do about pes and then not never putting a morsel of food in his mouth. There was a sh of cautious whatsoever. I mean the things that are beyond our imagination that human being could do. He was the liberation was of Bahima. The American soldiers came in and they were giving out chocolates for the survivors which by the way killed a lot of the survivors. The bodies were not and of course everybody pounced on it and they were said no no no you're not allowed to eat this. What are you not allowed to do this? Until now you were slaves. You were put but now you're freed. You're not allowed to eat this. Mhm. What are you talking about? You're not allowed to eat this. So yeah, you're not allowed to eat this. Like to him was uncompromising. So how is this? When I discussed this, it was Paris. We talked about Yadik was in actually was underground in a in a pit for 12 years. The med says in the puzz um that his feet were tied with chains and he had a neck around his a chain around his neck and 12 years it was like that all of a sudden one nice day the mashkim comes in they had a bad dream and next morning yes walks in and says hey what what's what's this all you look depressed depressed 12 years you're not depressed and two and a half years later of was two years later they shle yes they put him in front of par and par is giving a device was given a device to par how how is that humanly possible p right before the says of hashem when hashem is with you it makes no difference whether you're in a concentration camp whether you're in Williamsburg whether you're in union city whether inlay whether you're in kans whether whatever you serve hashem the same Wow. So the talk about a message that should be given over to the generations. This is the message serving Hashem uncompromising. There was compromise. In your interactions with the Reb over the years, did he ever did he ever talk about the unfathomable Tus that he endured? Did he talk about his rebbit? In the early years, he didn't. the earlier years when uni said I didn't hear it later on he started talking about it much more in in what context he would talk about there was certain stories in fact there's this famous story which I think is brought in the book as well where he talks about this first shabas when he needed wanted he says took everything away from me my wife my children want to take away my yiddish kite also famous story and came and handed him added Marmalad Marmalad like a jelly to get a ladder with him and he vanished. He never saw him since then and he said he says when he had such true unbreakable faith in aes he was able to live that way. It's it's amazing to to think that the the the scars and the the nightmares that he lived through were were he he was like almost an imp penetrable wall that he just didn't allow us to he did suffer. I must say he did suffer he did firstly he suffered physically his headaches I didn't talk about famous story he was the first time he was shalain and Eid came he said he had a 5-year-old daughter that suffered terrible with migraine headaches so there was I'm suffering anyway you know what I'll take her and this child walked out and she was good for this never had his headaches and he suffered his headaches was really really suffered have terrible headaches and he was at the same time that he was such a a sickly weak person because of this at the same time when it came to Yiddish it came to dancing a cuff was uh not sleeping uh writing the writing the the chu was all night events I'll share with you another story about writing chu first of all this whole of you read the godless not only is godless godless how he his uh approach to writing the chuva with such such seriousness with such it's a famous chuva that the Reb wrote to Revel Shil was about Shil about a a yum sh I'm not going to go into detail the shil the sh reash did not want to pass the sh on his own he wanted the just just you know you're talking about people did not know about the reb's god reash knew about the reb's godless he wanted the reba to pass in the sha as well interesting did not pass in the same way as the reba but whatever it was the woman never remarried anyway but that was another issue um They the rebum brought the shila to the rebba. They came for to the rebu and they brought the shb now you bring now I don't have time for this now you'll stay after after sukus and we'll write the chuva then that was an agreement after sukas they're going to write the yim at night after the so it's 11 12:00 now I have time they spent the whole night do dark in the ch Talk about listen. Yes. The world is on there on the eye level, right? In this firm sex, you know, from right to left. I I think the the the the importance of speaking to someone like you is the same relevance of of this brand new book and that is to to so to speak keep the memory of the rebel alive. Of course it's alive in his and his and and and the the fruits of his labor which we see today in kyat sounds and so on and so forth flourishing in America and it's it's phenomenal the would say about the clay but there were a lot of but nobody built hospitals you know besides that built hospitals besides that besides beside all the other things besides built the whole which is show which is ashamed of the greatest came out. There were years uh from uh 1962 to 1967 1968 that he produced literally Israel. I mean the rear rashi of of munchy Weiss the rear rashi at one time is not alive anymore of anterisenstein of one after of course all the wise children we all familiar with them and barrel his mahalak then was now I'm not a rebel now I'm producing Israel and producing was that point he felt that during the war he had 1.5 million children which could have been a potential thousands and thousands of Israel they were all wiped out who's going to replace them that was his whole concept of producing the Israel and he his was in order for a person to be a he has to be that was his mahal every sing he wanted his to be became bash that's howas began and that's how began to precreate Israel and that was his that was his his his his approach to Israel he had such a broad vision vision about what we're doing for GL I just launched late this year the first time he met Falovich fail was having this his original ideas of ter at that time and they were sharing this idea he was sharing these ideas that every single community in America where there's a many new Jews there has to be a sh and there has to be a yeshiva and the asked them how you planning to do this we get re I'm going to make a revolution and was so in despair so I couldn't get over there's a Hungarian Jew that hardly knew a word of English and he's he's making a revolution and he got that concept making a revolution from from I my my name is that's my interpretation but he he revolutionized the concept of making Israel that was his dream that was his his aspiration that was what he looked forward to that's what he wanted to create and he put in into that first in a small vein in this then of course there's a spread [Music] toem now you have all the other organizations like dishu and many many others that are basically you know what is expression when you copying is the best best form of flattery best form of flattery yes in fact perhaps that says till today says till today that there was his inspiration was from clay m he himself was was Uh-huh. So, there we go. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable to hear your your your recollections and I I see the rebel come alive in your eyes and uh it's a pity we don't have time to talk about uh your days growing up in my basement to tell you I'm here. I don't think that's nega to the Reb's to the Reba story but the the Reb itself uh I there's so much the those seven years that I lived in Union City in I was of course even after I moved back to Muny I was I was in Kyle Klesenber ky for a while but I still had a very close shikas to the rebies to go to there all the time we had a very very close in fact I must say uh the reb was twice in his life when I say fullhatus it was Eden Barag's name was Krani he was his shhatan It was my shan. Oh, the reb was your sh. And I must add this is the time that was the reb the reb was like a real shakan. He'd call up the my Sunday soon to be called him up Sunday morning. I must tell you this the bak just brought in the shuttle and I must tell you I was so impressed. I'm so impressed. And after every single bash show he'd call out to find call him up my father to find my to find out how it went. Very personally involved with my condition. Wow. and I live in unity. It was one of the things he insisted that we live in unisity and my wife was definitely not at that time um city ready for that but the insisted of course she was done and she did it and he is was a wonderful times of our lives those two and a half years that we lived in Union city then I moved to my rest the rest is history you're involved in your own you're carrying on on the Reb's legacy which was always Say I must add that I always have this uh when I give my I always think what is the rebba begins in think about my learn of course he must say he of course the timbe is the famous the reb was uh was uh the guest speaker at that event and he's talked about that koi truth remains forever and even though there was at one time there may have been a snag still to to but we see how the truth comes forth and tak from then on in they see the growth of to the way it is today. It's just an amazing amazing event and I have no regrets. I must say no regrets the we give that we've accomplished in the times that we finish with listen I'll say I think the tremendous being multiple and you know but we want to thank you for coming out here. I know it's a busy you have a busy schedule by Hashem, but you came out here to Raw to share and whatever people tasted in this interview, I think they'll get more of by picking up the book and getting that that rich flavor of who the Reb was and the he had and he's still having an the inspiration that we could take even we could take each on our own level inspiration from what the Reb was able. I look at this that there's there's brings down from Ginsa said about himself and the sh that he should be the godly he should be appointed as appointed as Israel now for us to be a godly I don't think that was the message of the book we're not going to become Israel we're not there's no way that we could even uh I think it was that says become spits the the the the tip of the tip of nervas. We should realize what Israel are should respect Israel. We should realize what we had what we had and we still have today but Hashem there are that are going these ways and we should respect them and we should take advantage. My greatest regrets I did not take enough advantage of the seat. I had the abilities. We had the doors open. The Reb wanted us to come. We didn't take enough advantage of it. That was they talk about my regrets. That would be the regrets. But at the same time, look at the picture of the Reb just the with his finger at the gamura and you see the the halo of kadusha on his face. It it's it's just it's amazing. It's amazing amazing feeling. It's amazing feeling. David, you should be and art school should be with this book should be a very big success and the people that read it get the the message and learn the message. What does it truly mean to be a godly Israel? Amen. Rabbi Mashinsky, thank you for being here. You're very welcome. [Music]