Inside ArtScroll - Season 4 Episode 8: Rav Shimshon Sherer Remembers His Legendary Father

[Music] Hello everyone and welcome back to Inside Art Scroll where the books you read and the people who write them come to life. Today I am privileged to be joined by Rabbi Shimshin Sherer who is here in honor of the 25th yard site of his esteemed father Rabbi Mosha Sharer about whom arts girl printed a biography published a biography was what is it uh 10 years ago I think 12 years the book 12 years ago that the book came out thank you Rabbi Sher for being here my pleasure my very very special to have you here we're obviously here to talk about the book and about your father and uh you know as I was waiting for you to come I was thinking to myself 25 years since the Petira of your father what that means is that there's a whole generation of people youngster we would call them youngsters but they're not such youngsters who correct who really never knew your father correct your father as the head of a cisol as as really the face of clusel in in so many different facets talk about that part of it there are people like myself I was a baka when your father was na but there are many people who didn't know your father if you sat down with an audience of people who did not live at the same time of Rabbi Moshashar what would you tell them in a few minutes how would you describe who he was what compelled me to do this interview was specifically because there's a whole generation that will never know who he was other than by reading the or by hearing stories. But as we know the aim will talk, we'll hear, we'll speak, but it's not a comparison to seeing him to watch his whole demeanor and to watch the way he was a leader. The next generation, they're not going to be to see. So that indeed is what made me understand, come to the understanding, a realization that in the one hand it's sad, but that's the way the world goes, right? There's a new generation. The new generation has will have its leaders does have its leaders and they have but need to know the past. When I was sitting Shiva when I was sitting Shiva there were many that came in and said there has to be a biography. And of course and this must be said at the outset the personal relationship that may had with my father which we'll get up to a little later was very very unique a very special relationship I was certainly an older brother to me without a question as all his children are very dear to And he was the driving force. He pushed me and pushed me. But during Shiva, there were a number of and leaders that said there has to be a book. Has to be a book. And some of those that said this to me didn't surprise me. Okay? They knew him well. And they knew that uh as many people always described him as a larger than life figure, which is accurately put. And so, okay, didn't surprise me. There was one God that came to pay me a call that it just threw me sobb sits down and I I can't imagine he ever read a page of any biography. Okay, a page of a biography or something like that. sits down and first it was but if it wouldn't have been was coming to pay me a shiva call I was so honored by it and Shiva his opening words to me were really and I was caught not just off guard so I said that exact word I said really like really and he said something to me that was so interesting he said looking for us. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. He said, "You'll ask any rasha and any yeshiva, they will tell you there are boys in every yeshiva out there that their dream is to be claws next to. No matter what yeshiva you'll be in, there will be boys that have this dream. They want to be CL's next." But they think, I still remember it's 25 years later. I'm sitting on the floor and says, "But they think the way to go about being next to Mish is if you're a tuml and you're tum in this and you're tum and you're tum in this organization and you'll be a tum all day in yeshiva when you're a teenager. Oh, that's going to be the beginnings and that's going to be the prerequisite. That's going to be my beginning of being the next." He says there has to be a book and they'll see from the book that he didn't become who he became in through he tells me he says someone told me that when your father was a young man in Baltimore he was a gald masid I said that's really true really true to the extent that during shiva I told people my father never no matter all the noness and challenges that he and uncle Mike had Mike Chess all the nanisters they had they never ever expressed the regret they felt so glitless so fortunate to be doing what they were doing for Claus the only thing my father ever said was as a young fell in he had a dream that someday he was going to be a major mariter a major ro of stature that was a dream that he had he said and all that that he was going to be so invol involved in limra in that all that couldn't come to fruition because he dedicated his life to be souls asking his sometimes he would look at that and he would say o and when I was repeating it during shiva many quarter that there were those that used to say it to the pov when he came to and he was rebuilding literally from the ashes and they would tell the pun to comfort him to console him they would say to him kazal say is the key and people during would repeat this same axiom about my father. So I said I'll tell you the truth. I told that to my father many times. Did he take Did he take sals from that a little? His main sal was listenar was this has to be his role in soul says said this is my role I mean to to the extent the extent of aaron it you know everyone's talking about my father's subjugation and subservience to so talked about so talked about we're talking about a generation that didn't know my father today there's a tremendous amount of and a tremendous amount amount of B to but on the level of subservience to Dra that my father and uncle Mike that they had to build this organization that level of of of subservience bit total bit and a a man that was so bright my father's genius and all his capabilities and he had a mind of his own sure it was like amazing amazing amazing amazing ble do you remember any particular circumstance where your father who like you said was the he was the picture of charisma sharp as attack you read the book and I remember seeing him at our good conventions you remember see every year I remember seeing you remember him in his heyday when we would get up to speak 100% my parents used to take me oh your father went every year religiously went still goes when he went my parents went every heyday yes sure there was no one more charismatic that's true I don't know if there My father was a better ortor. That's probably it was a master ortor. We'll get to that. Keep that word in mind. Charismatic. But I just want to give you one thing. You're a baron couple that my father wanted to be a so parathetically when I was sitting Shiva my father's in many ways closest confidant. There were a number of those people that would from Baltimore from Baltimore. They were best friends from there. the soul days and all their lives. He was one of the only there were a few others but one of the only people that my father would have given a blank check to you could use my name don't even have to ask me permission and they didn't tremendous amount of together he walked into the house to be there was a room full of people and with his heavy German Henry Kissinger accent starts the conversation he had a pocket full of of of letters I don't know at first we didn't know what it was papers sticking out of his pocket coming out of pocket he sits down. Actually, everyone got quiet. My newberg is here and he looks at the audience very heavy accent. How would you define temporary? Okay, obviously a question like that, he must have the answer. It's a rhetorical question. How do we define temporary? How do we define temporary? Okay, so I said I said, "Rabbi Nubberga, obviously there's going to be an answer that I don't know. So Rabbi Nubberga please tell us how we define temporary. So he takes out a letter that my father wrote him in 1942 when he left Ner and he writes him dearest Nefti I nowashem have tried out for six different shs for the to be the in six different shs that was my father's dream to be aving back to what we said before and he's reading this letter Barakashem all six shs after my all Six shooles offered me the but none of those shs are really to my liking of where I see myself being. So for the moment I turned down the opportunity of to be the role of these six and therefore temporarily I've decided to join the agura and work okay with Mike. Sober looks around us and he says that means that Rabbi Sher defined the word temporary as 55 years temporary because he wanted to be a works in very mysterious ways because my mother's father was an ortor at the age of 20 in litter he was born in the same stle as a moist who look at the front page the sharablat of Igris Mosha says Robin Starin Mosha Feinstein's father Abd Feinstein was the RV in Starin. I'm named after him. In fact, I'm called Shimshi. But my Zed's name was Shimshin Zelik in Fort and by his liter friends in he went he was called Zelik, not Shimshin. My name is Shim. He was called Zelikar when I had the to go in to visit Shak who was my Zusa for years ink. So they would say son is here. So I would come would say nikar. So Misa was the R when he came after World War I all the was nothing lit and they were all desperate to do it and push it and they had the young children and there was literal starvation nothing to eat after all one and all the abishellas were and was seemingly such a an ortor that someone suggested to him that the largest shul in New York the white sh in far away then it was the white sh not where it is today in a different neighborhood. Mhm. is looking for a rov and they think he'd be the perfect candidate because of his oratory skills and my dad in the middle of immediate response was Canadian English. I don't know one word of English. Strike one. Strike two. I'm a coin. I can't go to the funerals. I can't officiate. I can't come to the cemetery. So he said go. Just go. your oratory skills are such and he had that the word you use but we're going to take it back that word in a minute the word charisma he had all that and he said just go and was desperate with the royal one they had major stellas two stellas and he came to the white shoe and it seems that he must have mesmerized them to such an extent that after shabas the board came to wherever however's house he was staying and they immediately offered him the really couldn't understand it and he told him you saw English not one word of English I don't know word and he again the so they said to him as far as we'll find we'll find a solution to that as far as English we understand but we were just so caught over shabas it seems he was such a dramatic speaker and he had such unbelievable my father eventually taught in teras my father taught It was called homalytics a course of public speaking. How did my father get that? Because my za was asked by and when he became the to come once a week to give a homics class in medish to teach public speaking how to give a sermon to all the many that were going to go out into the into the rabinet. Ma passed away as about very young and they asked my father to replace. So that's how it starts. Anyway, here Maza takes the he convince him to take the condition was that within a year or two he should learn they will hire the tuda and he will learn how to speak English and in fact the tuda my my aunt Mrs. Hollander had an uncle was a very famous rabbi my my aunt Mrs. pounder once told me that the the tutor in those years we're talking about 1929 the tutor cost $5 an hour 1929 and they were teaching him English via the New York Times and Isaiah eventually how to speak English but from the beginning he spoke only in Yiddish but what's what's relevant to us here in this conversation he was there 1929 through 19 5th June of 1950 he was all of 54 54 and a half and in June of 1950 he had a massive stroke had a massive stroke those years talking about 1950 not that they know much today about how to deal with strokes but in those years certainly so he was hospitalized and they came to my father 1950 my father wasn't yet 30 years old but he had shown the leadership capabilities to whatever they are a little fledgling organization with Uncle Mike dealing with the sher out the Jews and they asked him temporarily here another word temporarily temporarily he should be thereof until his father-in-law is hashem will recuperate and it'll come back how many years had he been without at the time my father started in 42 and this is 1950 5 eight years later eight years later okay and it was only temporary and my father's dream as Rabbi Newberger had read in that letter to be avo and that temporarily he was working in the agura okay as we're about to hear. So here he is he June of 1950 my father was the substitute temporary rabbi of the congregation till his father-in-law beam would recuperate June July August I have sermons that my father gave that he wrote out um June July that year I must come out some in June must be sermons that he gave the shis have the sermons that he gave sukus high holidays that he gave here my father. Okay. Works the way the parish works. February of 51 my passed away they struggle to bring him back and for 6 months but has his ways. Ma was all 55 years old. Ramosa once told me they were best friends as from kaism from the young age in that if he would have lived in America and he would have really world would have got to know him who says who knows how big he would have been when all the used to come to America used to stay by in the house used to stay all the time in the house mar rebellious father stayed many months at a time when he'd come stayed on kids a story during shiva for mea my baba was I don't even know I would if I had to guess I would say she was around 50 years old young al and the congregation the board of the kahila came to the house during shiva and they went over to my grandmother and they said there's not going to have to be a rabbitis because we are going to offer your son-in-law the stella permanently it'll be his shaw So you'll remain rabbitson. Mhm. And they were trying to give her words of comfort her so there will be continuity linkage perpetuation directly in the family. My my my grandmother was was thrilled. I mean even though she was totally totally distraught but oh at least it's going to stay in the family. All right. My mother sitting there Shiva next to her mother on the floor and my mother didn't say anything but you know it's not going to be very simple this for the reason you're about to hear I only said this story once over in public and that was six years ago on my about my mother's levia this story because talking about my father without talking about the asa that was his partner in building a good soil as Mrs. stress was uncle Mike's partner you it not only wouldn't do justice it would be it would be a terrible aa if we don't talk about right so I said this is my mother's la so the story is as follows my father came home from that go to office that night middle of the shiva and my mother told him together with my baba his mother-in-law told him okay Rabbar cut that the board offered him permanently didn't even wait till after the sh was over the stella is now naturally young fella ready my dad built up the white shoed becoming what the white shoe was eventually to become so they were all excited so they're weighing my father and let's remember this man only took that uh a job in a gooda temporarily because he wanted to be a ro here it is on a silver platter no probas no nothing he they had him if you have mohasher for six months as your rabbi anybody's going to hire him right my father comes in and they tell my father. My father looks at his mother-in-law and he looks at my my mother, a young Bible. He says, "Listen, I have to go ask a baron Cutler." I'm confident that my presentation to a baron cutler will be such that I believe he'll answer me in the affirmative will say take the but let's know I have to ask and just whatever he says that's what we're going to do my mother wasn't surprised because my mother knew my father's his whole life was a baron as this book Jonison Rosen does a terrific job in many things in the book but in that baron my baba was very not happy with uh that response and she looked at him is being offered to you here Rabar Cutler and my baba knew Raaron Cutler because my baba came from the city of Slutzk that Mr. Zman was the ra and the rashisha. So she knew Raaron as a younger man the young person what what's the what's what's even the question what's a baron cutler where you go up I have to ask but he told her and my father used to say I made a mistake by telling my mother-in-law oh but I think my presentation will be such that will say he could take the my father he won't he he said he shouldn't even have said that end of the story as I said with my mother's my father I heard this both from my father and from barren The father went to and he made the presentation and he pushed every button. He said, "I'm going to be I'm going to be mish be able to go back to my life's dream and I'll be able to sit and learn and give over to I'll be because one of the things my father loved most or you mentioned before his speeches at a good conventions his his to be innovative and to come up with thoughts that was classics of you see it a lot in the safer right we have here his here you see it here you see it what you see here that so and he he was so innovative in I mean it was literally to marvel at so here and he presented a list I'm going to be able to be mar I'll be sitting and learning to I'll be able to inra and I won't have when my wife doesn't have because they are good you 1950 what was what was cla you saw in America 1950 and the little there was when so many that came the work of uncle Mike and the rescue organization and blaz my father was much younger so what were they then like so he made a presentation to her and you know my father has a as you use the word for for charisma which we're going to be taking back soon so here it is and listen to this presentation and it's my dream to be a ro Baron looks at him and says to him, "There's nothing to talk about. It cannot happen and it will not happen." That's not just no or let's talk about it. He makes a presentation. So my father says to him, "You're not going to understand what I'm about to tell you. But I have to tell you why Bush. Why? The answer is no. There are much greater things in store for young Mosha to do for Clau than being the love of any one shul. No matter how prestigious the schnella is and no matter how great your habitats t will be and can be, there's much greater things in store for you than anyone should. My father sitting there, he never argued ever. But he says to Rash, "What's greater things in store for me?" He was a little boy, a 30-year-old fell. Now always uncle Mike you see in the letters in the Mike Tress book that's also an arts girl book they call him Mike and I think it's in there but it's in here that he would urge my father we need all he he saw something in my father so Baron obviously saw the same thing that uncle Mike saw when he used to write letters we need you we need you in says who am I who am I young fella in in in February of 51 one. My father wasn't yet 30. He was born June 21. He wasn't yet 30. And then he says to Baron something else. He says, "Much greater things in store for me for Clyaso." What CLO? Who cla Whatso is a baron talking about 1950? What was 1950? So my father was like so like he couldn't understand what the was saying the Clyus apartment himself. So a baron looked at him and said to him, "I said that you're not going to understand, but trust me, the day will come and you'll see that there are much greater things in store for you than being there of anyone." My father's dream went out the window. The temporary of Rabbi Newberger because he's trying out fortellas. Here he didn't have to try out here. He had the biggestella handed to him because he was the temporary Ra while the was not well. And he's saying and the parents telling him no. And that no was no did nothing to him. So as I said my mother's my father went home and he had to break it to his young wife. And my mother looked at my father said no back to bread and water. She didn't even ask my father tell me what was his reasoning. And my father wanted to tell her maybe she'd be proud of what Raaran said about her young husband. Right. Rashiva said, "No, it's back to bread and water." Now, it certainly partially was because my mother had aim, but it was much so she knew there was nothing to talk about. My father had touch said, "No, K, you got it. K's closed." But my mother was a very smart woman. And my mother says to my father, Shiva said, "No, it's back to bed and water, but I only need one favor from my husband. You have to be the one to break it to your mother-in-law. It's only back to bread and waters. Back to bread and water. But you have to break it to your mother-in-law. Okay. This is a pretty tough uh tough assignment. He goes to his lit and he has to tell her that I'm not taking the stellar. He goes to his mother-in-law. My father used to tell over this story as you'll hear in a minute with such a sparkle in his eye and how grateful he was to my mother except for this one assignment that he has to break it to the mother and he comes he breaks it to his mother-in-law that he went to Rashiva he made a presentation everything every button he pushed that say take but never underestimate you couldn't manipulate nobody manipulate I said what I tell you tells his didn't just say no. He said so naturally my mother-in-law my my grandmother his mother-in-law had just become an am 50 years old and she knew that means that the is going to go out of the family right said doesn't understand what he's telling you to say no to doesn't understand doesn't understand my my father said oh he understands his vision and his way and his seeing panoramic views of everything with every every ramification repercussion from every perspective. My my my father says to to his mother-in-law end of the story father didn't take theem they had they ended up getting a very beautiful beautiful beautiful person Rabbi Pelowitz the art scroll from Pelit yeah and he treated my my my grandmother not like rebmeritus but he treated her with all the dignity and all cover as he was a a very special man alluded not the same pok which is still not her son-in-law and still not the family. So like they say in literature Yiddish my grandmother carried on an embraas means I don't know what the words anger but wasn't whatever the word break I don't know brag is one of those Yiddish liter words doesn't have a translation she carried on a bragus on her young son-in-law resentment maybe oh something good maybe maybe more I don't know anyway when neb my grandmother only lived 10 more this and she she was I think she was 61 62 years old in the early 60s but she was really not very happy with her son-in-law the apple of her husband's eye his young and she wasn't very happy with him what changed what changed so here we talk about the book talk about my father talk about a story what it means to listen to that aside from my father we had that dream as I bring letters test and my mother le back to bread and water when did my grandmother uh decide oce can't translate these words when when when did she decide this so the end of March of 1961 which is exactly 10 years my was February of 51 this is 10 years later was when the first time that all cla one morning wakes and my father's pictures plastered all over the New York Times with his black coping cup and meetings that he had with President Kennedy and with the speaker of the house not Nancy Pelosi or Kevin McCarthy but a man in his 90s Irishman from Boston Massachusetts named John J. McCormick was the speaker of the house on other dignitaries of such stature and New York Times is is is is reporting on it. My father's dream of aid to parochial schools money to yes not being okay at all a contradiction to the first amendment to the constitution of separation of church and state. Yeah, it was a that he had a that everyone laughed at like what are you doing? It's against open constitution like they were saying yeshiva like it's against the constitution like what are you dreaming we get with that too so it got reported in that day was I think it was either March 29th March 30th the end of March of 61 and it was a major major story a man with a black yamagon to get such coverage with a president and he made a he made a presentation either in the senate or in the congress or someplace and the New York Times reporting this whole dash but the whole spiel and everybody bought that morning's New York Times because such kid Hashem he didn't have their own voice because let's remember's goal the goal of Israel when he spoke to uncle Mike about giving everything up to go work for their goal was we have to have an authentic voice we no longer could let those who totally forge and misrepresent what Tory is those who don't even believe in Tyra Msi. They're going to represent us to help us to build Tyra in America. They don't even believe in MSI. The reform movement, they're going to be our representatives. They're our voice, which was the case till then. And now here it is the beginning of Woo. It's not just like an aberration when Uncle Mike was to go into secretary in the states and things in the government. Yeah, it's the beginning of a thing on a whole new level for the agura movement and everybody bought that day's New York Times. The only woman I came to yeshiva that day I think I was in second grade. Where were you learning that tur se was only I was in and I think okay I think I was in second grade first I think I was second grade the only one that didn't know about that day's New York Times in my class or by the reby's table by breakfast was me everybody was tumbling about their parents went out and bought that day's New York Times and the whole thing my father didn't tell me and he had his reasons and everyone knew about the kit someone that day brought my grandmother that day is New York Times a neighbor right there my grandmother still had the rabbitson shul right house right across and a neighbor did her a favor they brought alter rabbitson who wasn't so old they bought a copy of that New York Times she see what's happening here my father was all of 40 then right? Like like what's happening and everyone was like tumbling about it and she's reading she's looking New York Times is very long pages and she's looking onto her dining room table to spread out the pages to look here look there to see his dra that he made in the congress and to see the pictures of so my my baba last called up the good office. Now that good office as my father would say in those years was as big as this here these two chairs and this table. Uncle Mike had a as a milk crate as a desk and a milk crate as a chair and my father had a milk crate and a as a chair. That was it. And she calls up the office and she says I want you to come right now. Come right now to I have to speak to you. Okay. Now for 10 years she was carrying on in you know in to a certain extent khal not this slippers right because the didn't stay in the family come right now my father immediately ran to farway he had no idea what he's in for what's going to happen if no idea comes to far away when my baba brings him into the dining room when she shows him spread out in the table what her neighbor brought that day's New York Times And she says with a big smile, with a tremendous sense of and pride, she says to my father, it would seem, clearly would seem as said 10 years ago that there's bigger things in mind, okay, for knew than anyone sho would seem clearly seem. He was right and I was wrong. When my father would tell over the story with all his sparkle in his eye that you refer to as charisma, he would sell over the story with a sparkle and my father would say, "So what's the moral of this story? What's the lesson from this story?" I have no idea if this is in the book. I don't think more the way I'm saying it certainly. So I said what's the lesson of this story? See what the greatest Torah sage that America had in the 20th century could not persuade my mother-in-law of in 1951. The almighty New York Times influenced and persuaded her in 1961. So never underestimate the power of the media because it seems to be so powerful. So my father would always say this story. So Baron Cutler, it was a Baron Cutler that had that vision that even my father couldn't understand at the time. And let's remember this that was in its infancy. This is 1961. My father was a young man. Things started falling into place as years went on. They started building a reputation and and the Buddha started having its own strong articulate authentic voice okay of Torah and Torah and and and an understanding of integrity and and and there is no such thing as diluting Torah no compromise when it comes to and and and and the nations of the world and people Jew and non-Jew alike respected it right there's no I wanted to point out which I was saying earlier is that you know if someone is weak-minded in mind and thought. It's one thing to be differential. Your father was a brilliant man. That's he was a brilliant man. He was well read. He was a big he was able to think for himself big time. There was no such So when you talk about his deference to Das Tyra with Saj B for such a person that that was that was the that would be I I'm told that the Aura is going to be having a a video that they're giving out in the day of the yard site on the all over and that they went to many Gdel to speak and all the GI said the same thing that if they have to think about what they marveled most is that he had such a bittle means a subservience a people that would have been giants and then that same tora deferring whatever word you want to use he showed to eventually to rebel to say he was dealing with a a total total whatever Whatever you say Rabbar, he did the same thing and those that are being interviewed by of soul for that point all say and like you're saying it because he had a mind of his own right but he didn't have a mind so getting back so here it is Baron Cer told me you can't be the RV Rabbi Newberger we got to get back to how we started here okay we're trying not to go off on tangents too much sober said temporary but it was going to be a RV ice dream because the baron cutler said no and slowly here it is 1961 Okay. But all his work for eight parochial schools you're talking about we're talking about now from 61 till to 2023 it's probably to say that it's trillions of dollars is probably not said enough trillions of dollars that saw benefits from it but I was sending Shiva so Rabbi Aaron Tski who did a tremendous amount of work for my father on the legal aspects of it and never took a dime and as things started falling into place and my father had first originally a defeat in the Supreme Court and wrote him a letter beautiful poetic letter. It's in the book that you can't give up hope a poetic letter and everybody was being and he was putting up this battle. Erin Turski told me during Shiva said at one point he said I I said to Rab if we would have had to pay lobbyists to do the work to get any level of success to get funding from the government for yeshivas it would have run into very big money so if you don't want to take the money personally Rab okay said 1% and then when I was saying 25 years ago I think it tells me it's a billion dollars till now 1% of a billion dollars Mhm. Now, can you imagine what it is today? He said, "My father looked at him like almost like a he was like upset with him. He was disappointed. What are you saying to me? What's the suggestion? I'm selling my haba my ticket of haba for money." And and he wouldn't hear of it. And and he wouldn't hear of it. But in the end of the day, and this is something people need to hear, not just subservience to people need to hear. when my father had to prepare one of the first presentations to President Kennedy discussing this dream of eight parochial schools. So, President Kennedy invited 12 different leaders of different religions of different denominations. There were two representing the Jewish people, one pro my father, one con from the federation and there were from the paroque from the from Protestants from the Catholics all there making presentations to President Kennedy. My father had to make a presentation which seemingly he's asking for something that goes against the American Constitution. My father asked many Rabbon should he wage this battle. Mostam said, "It's this is the Yiddish word. It's a joke. Never gonna happen. What are you wasting time waiting a battle for something that's never going to happen?" But the last word was always a baron cutler. And he went to a baron. They told the baron this plan, let's wage a battle for aid to yeshivas, aid to parochial schools. So says, "Why not?" So my father told me because it's against the constitution. Baron never heard of the constitution and if I said many are telling me this word it's never going to happen so looked at him and said to him and this is your name my dear he said one of the three of us the three of us have one and we know all three of us each one is a pillar holding up the world one of the three of us that's the pillar that holds up our world his name is no sound familiar. the names Yitzk aar says to my father even though his name was because of the they had that they were going to have a child but when everyone hears the name they'll all remember they're not going to remember the they had it's going to right away bring to mind that suru when she first heard the surah they're going to have a child she had 90 and he had 100 years It's a joke. It's a gala. So said to my father, why would the leave a name of one of the three? Why did he leave one of the names of one of the three patriarchs, which many will think their first reaction hearing the name they'll think means the negative connotation that sorry said it's a gala. It's never going to happen. Should have should have changed his name to a name that doesn't bring right away to the forefront of one's mind. Oh, sorry said it's not going to happen. Give him a different name. From a public relation standpoint, don't give a name like that. to my father. The answer is because wants us all to know that indeed from what some might have called a gala an impossibility that can't happen from that is born a pillar that holds up the world. So the names had to stay and if there will be those that will think in it as of a negative connotation open let them think it let them know from that there were those that said it's from them da da deliberately da from that is going to be built. So he says to my father, there are those that say you're the battle that you want to wage for a to pro schools is a ta from those that are saying doom and gloom. It's a waste of time. Okay, we have to wage the battle. Why am I telling this to you? My father took out a piece of paper and a pen. And who helped him make the legal presentation by that meeting by President Kenny in the White House? None other than Ma Baron Cutler. Now Baron Cutler never heard of the constitution. Never heard of the first amendment at the parochial separation church and state. Let's make that what the words mean. And my father would tell with a story to yeshivaite and he would say when says in that not only will say the most famous from it's not going to just bear saying the same who never heard of the constitution who never heard of the first amendment in you'll find everything you need to have the wisdom and brilliance and his presentation the President Kennedy that was the forerunner of everything that was eventually going to take place was a presentation from Ma Baron Cotton so you talk about my father would say people always ask me where did you get this to such a level of pitting your soul my father say the truth says it's really aim is built into Yiddish said but the truth is if you seek the brilliance of these people it's not a k that you're a in such brilliance so even though he was a very brilliant man my father but he saw so just that alone here it is a baron cot telling him they're saying it's a gala's name for neglect was the ammud the pillar of the world the second patriarch that's why it stayed that from that's when we da and he gave him his presentation eventually that was the forerun of all the success for a man of the caliber and that's when went on and they had the next generation of some children of the some of the but my father would say they have the same as the previous generation. He would say doesn't mean that if some label some same level going maybe would have been a godl doesn't mean that the next ones maybe yeah maybe no but he said what does that mean he says if hashem chooses them to be the leaders of the generation he'll certainly give them the exact same he says that's all I need I okay want to take their dishaya here which will be a and I would look at my father sometimes I said you know I was a young boy then I was a little cynical the young age you get a little better as you get older I said to him you really believe that that there's people out there that's possible they could have the same the way you saw a baron he said absolutely he says I believe it because I see it I believe it because that's the survival of amus and certainly that and only that could be the survival of and he believed it until this day people that are grandchildren of their but we have to believe they have that and we have to believe if if a god will be tells you who to vote for and some of us say what does he know let him stick to the gor my father would say o let him stick to the gor is a matas and that was a baron cutler. Now I wanted to ask you, you mentioned before about the day the New York Times came out. Everyone knew about it except for you growing up. You grew up in a in a in a house in a warm house. Your father was the warmest, most cordial person. What What was that like growing up? And did you know that's a very fair question. Did you know that you were in the presence of great people? Very very fair question. Very, you know, they say sometimes when you peel the curtain away from great people, that's when you find out if they're really fair question. and and and probably children really know the truth what their parents really are, right? Because sometimes people can fool not the entire outside world but you can fool many people but you can't fool your children if your children are honest with themselves and not just automatically my father's is the gift to the humanity right so children are the really they're they're the best to so it's a very fair question you should know I said by my father's laa that my father had four children my sister Raul my sister Elki little Shimshi and a good And I said it and I saw was 24 25 hours a day, seven days a week. If there's a problem, seven days a week. So I said by he had four children and was in the walls of a house. It was in the DNA of all of us and the DNA of Clay was in all of us and there was four children. So many people during Shiva they they would come in and say to me, "Didn't you say it in the wrong order? You said Raul, Elki, little Shimshi, and a good he had four children. But wasn't it the other way around? A good was number one, and you guys were two, three, and four." I said, "No, if you talk to me in hours, in time, 100% Auro was number one. But if you talk to me about how what he showed his children, his devotion and his love and his caring, I don't know. I've asked my sisters, I've asked I've discussed it with my mother many times. That magic that my father convinced us that he loved us more than anything in this world and we were number one to him in love even though he was 25 hours a day preoccupied and his slogan rebel the individual ye and then the collective organizational ye and it was truly 25 hours a day especially when we were younger certainly but I don't know we were not two three and four and their good was number one there was something in the house that he was able to convince us, okay, that we were first, that he loved us and we were first and with all his love and all his belief in that, but we were still first. I don't know how that was. So, yes, growing up now. So, did I know that he was a an unusually special gifted person and that eventually he become what people refer to him as a mel? It's it's a very interesting question. He went out of his way in the house to just let his hair down. Let us see like I grew up he would my father had this thing as gift that he was in public speaking he was so gifted in telling stories so he made up fictitious characters that I grew up with and all my sisters and my children was a little younger but they also all my sister's kids and my sister my some of my kids when they were younger men all my kids my father had characters they were called Pinsle was the boy Nisha my father's character And Pinch's sister was Khan Fufu, right? When Pinchi was Goldberg the Goldberg's teacher was some lady, Miss Maguire, don't ask me how Mr. Magguire got. And we were brought up with stories. Every Shabas morning at 7:00 in the morning, I would go into my father's bed and the landlord of our house in Burough Park would be upstairs singing with such a niggan all safe forum. He was upstairs tired and we were downstairs and every seven o'clock in the morning I was in my father's bed that was my time with him and he would tell me a princle story with fufulla with Miss Maguire Debbie Goldberg I would walk the sh and he had all these stories the flying suka the chocolate matzah right and there's there are pictures in the book towards the end chapters that talks about the family personal of my father sitting with grandchildren and you look at the picture and you can see how he's so into the story telling his grandchildren about and Goldberg and the flying muza and the flying matzah and the chocolate matzah and the flying suka and it was always a moral at the end of the story which almost all the time was that you got to give your life for the next one can't live for yourself so I grew up in a house hey my father would he's a regular regular daddy but kind of yeah now was he around much No, but the time that we had with him those Shabas mornings or for example going to sh every Shabas morning walking to shul was early in the morning was only an average of two from a unit on every single block of bor in those years. So I really had it to myself walking to and you you were only boy so you're walking your father quality time beyond quality time. But as the only boy I want this I wanted to ask you you're the son of Rabbi Mosha Shar growing up did you feel did you ever feel a pressure they say they talk about children of greatness children of great men very often they cave to the pressure it's just too hard and they throw in the towel I want to tell I was that ever a struggle I I can appreciate that certainly can appreciate that whether in yeshiva Rabim I'm sure Rabim looked at you and said oh I told someone yesterday a story. I was a little boy and other kids could have been misbehaving. It wasn't terribly misbehave, but doing the same thing wrong I was doing. I wasn't saying properly enough by kadesh. Uh I I I I I was a little bit late for Davin. I was a little kid. I I didn't keep curfew to the minute. And other kids were doing the same thing as me. But by me often times they would say to me, you're at Mushara's son, you can't do this. So I told someone when I was a seven-y old boy and I was in campa and I came home after the summer. Little kid told us yesterday and I said, "Daddy, it's so difficult being your son." Oh, really? It's so difficult being your son. If I would have known I was only seven, that it would hurt him, there's no way in the world I ever would have said it. I said, "It's so difficult. It's so unfair. Other kids do the same thing I do and they don't get gay. You're a mosher son. And he looked at me. I told his son yesterday. He looked at me and said, "I'm really sorry. I hope someday you'll be proud that you're my son." Wow. But I'm really sorry. Wow. So I told this person yesterday many years later when my father my father was putting on my kit right before I'm walking down the I took him and I hugged him. I said it never was difficult being son. It's the most proud thing in my life. It's the happiest thing of my life that son and he knew that I was referring to way way way back way back. So before we get to the charisma thing, we have here my father say my father was put out by art scroll many many years ago and he writes a preface he writes a hak to his holy safer with many of his vera it's very difficult Hebrew but so I want to read you a closing paragraph towards the end of his preface to answer your question. Not did I feel pressure and not was it hard for me, but I want to read you what my father obviously he thought as far as the children. Mhm. So here it is right here. He writes a paragraph in the closing of his introduction of his preface almost the very end of his preface he writes with a special special obligation. I'm coming here to express as my deep deep gratitude to the to the poor. So great for over 40 years. No the book the came out 15 years 15 years before. Yep. In my work for over 40 years to my precious dear wife all my work I have to express which absolutely true as we said before back to bread and water right that she gave her life in the spirit of that was so embedded within her the fact that she was a daughter basia one of the greatest in America. Okay, my wife. Now listen to the next words. My dear children, when I saw this, when this came out, I read this paragraph. I went running to the house. I think I was in the house. Went running upstairs. They sacrificed as true Muslim they paid dearly a very heavy price in that they had to tolerate a lot from a husband from a father that he gave up night and day to give his life to communal work for Savo Nome and for their tolerance and patience have and their understanding to let me do it. They're worthy to stand. I read this. I went upstairs and said, "Daddy, what are you talking about? What did we sacrifice?" Mommy, yeah, mommy 100%. But we your children, what in the world did we sacrifice? What does it say here? deser they paid a heavy price I said the love that you showed us what does this mean and he looked at me said to me really you don't feel that way I said absolutely not and when I said by the laba he had four children I deliberately said how good is she so was the fourth maybe timewise not but it was the fourth but obviously by my father if you would have asked him the question did we feel pressure did we feel that sacrifice he obviously lived his whole life. Uhhuh. He was cognizant of that. Yeah. Feeling that thing and and it was so far from true. I made a statement by his Levia in front of tens and tens of thousands of people. I made a statement and I said for the last 20 years of his life, he was the busiest man in the world. The last 20 years of his life, I never missed a day that I didn't say hi on the phone to him. Unless he was so there are people that told me during Shiva I think Rabbi Risen for told me he had balab and his told him that they heard that that spoke to his son every single day the last 20 years of his life. What father when you're not busy at all speaks to his son every single day married son right and they he told me there were people in his said if Rabbi Sher could do that with his son they want to commit themselves to do the same thing. As I said, and the reason that was is because my father was truly my best friend in life. Wow. And people came to the shim and said, "How could you even say that?" He said, "The man was so busy with CLO." I said, "It's true, but to me, he was daddy Pinskll and Kafu and it all." And to me, it wasn't this business with the sacrifices. How he managed to do it, I don't know. But I want to get back to something you said before. We talked about charisma. So we talk about you you asked about bital subservient subjugation the dasta talked about that for him that was he saw it almost as not even a challenge because he saw it proof in the pudding from parl's genius look what he did JFK years later people would give him all the credit that would happened to him all the monies that went to yeshivas my father said one second I had a partner I had a speech writer I had a partner a baron cutler like give him give him credit my My father was very very gravely ill towards the end. So one of the last visitors that my mother allowed in because not only because the situation was so grave then but you wouldn't recognize here he is that melik look what you described in the beginning in he was really all the treatments it was very difficult to very it took a real toll but there is an art book on his life came and he asked my mother if he can come special from Toronto just for 10 minutes, just wants to come. Of course, he didn't say to say goodbye, but that's in essence what he was doing. And he came to see my father. When he came to see my father, he was certainly one of the last that we my mother let in. They had unusual closeness and respect for one for the other and we all walked out of the room. So the gist of the conversation, we'll never really know in its entirety what it was. But when we came back, we were able to pick up on some of the things my father said to us that what Mr. Rashman must have said to him in the give and take of that conversation for the 10 minutes. Came back in the room and somewhere in the middle of the conversation my father says to me like this says I don't know books going to be written about me articles going to be written. So obviously Mr. books, articles. I'm a man of history. I said, I don't know if any of this is true. So, obviously, whatever he I don't know if any of this is true. Books, man of history, I'm I'm a legendary all. He says, I don't know if any of this is true. He says, but I want to ask you a favor. He said, "If ever people," he says, "if they're ever going to write about me and they're going to attribute a part of my success with theat desire that I had that he was saying he was so weak at that point, but he wanted me to hear his point. If they're going to attribute that I am a man blessed with great charisma and charm." Now, it's obviously something Mr. who must have said something along those I don't know he said I don't know how it was said or maybe he implied it I don't know I have no idea what that conversation was my father loved him respect him so I have no idea what that said but if it's going to be said he kept saying I don't know if they're ever going to write about me I don't know man of history I don't know but if they're going to write about me that a part of my success was due to my charisma and charm says please my son don't let that be said listen to this so I look at him I said to Daddy, you said this before. I said, "Daddy, who in the world, Jewish world, not Jewish world, who has more charisma than you? Who has more charm than you?" Like, it's true. Who has more charm than you? Rabbiank when Debbie told him he can't grow a beard and he was astounded and said to him because in my opinion says in kazal ponim usually means a beard but sher's case maybe you're a part of your success for cla representative in allim whatever it might be maybe it comes because of the way your hide pun is without your beard and then he said to my father if I'm not right? that doesn't oblige you. It's a sophic if I'm right. And even if maybe I'm right, you can't grow a beard. My father was like astounded sitting there. So here he is. I said to my father, what's going to be so wrong if they say as Rabbiti His just said a very true statement, who had more charisma and charm than him? So he said like this, this is so important. He said just parathetically that period of time Bill Clinton was president of the United States and he was going through a very difficult time right there on very it's always has to do with Jews whatever it is a very difficult time he was going through because of his quote unquote charm right so he says to me like this my father says every Friday night you sit down and you sing And you proclaim the words of charm. Charm bluff. It's absolute bluff. He charisma bluff. So he says to me, you start your shabas proclaiming it's bluff. And then you eat the shabas and he sings and then you're about the bench and we beseech and we ask he says what just happened to you started your suda proclaiming it's bluff and you end your suda of what happened in the course of the suda What he asked is a friendic like like what's what's happening to you? So I remember I don't remember if he said it from an or he said it from somebody his mom is talking so low he was like he says the answer is if will ever be defined in English incorrectly as charm and charisma which he said was which was really what's reserved for politicians the charming the charismatic when we define it that way comes along slam initially he says or is it a bluff? It's one big bluff. But if aid understands that the word cannot possibly mean charm and charisma because at the end of benching we say so he says to me says so I want to ask you something what was charismatic to the he was charming to beseeching the atm give me charisma in's eyes. He says from that you see can never be defined as charm and charisma because that's bluff and she has no shech can't have a has no English definition but when we ask forem he says you know what that is in we What's we ask gives us a that we should have what should have should be a divine divine. We asked to repent, please give me that something from the divine. That's what we ask for. So if it's is Bill Clinton's, it's the politicians. If it's that you're going to be to be able to build an organization with that's not charm and charisma. If anything, it's antithetical to charm and charisma because that's bluff. It's given you a ghetto. He says so please don't let it be said that I had charming but throughout the Shiva every politician that came the first thing they would say to me from Giuliani on everybody they would talk about my father's integrity mask that he never asked anything for himself every time he asked for a favor he never asked anything for himself never and the next thing they would all say I still rings in my ear every politician would come and says and his charm and his charisma nobody had such Then you would think back to what he said. I think back then this is what he would say. And there there are many yin that you look at them they will get benched with unusual. Take for example pal. Nobody could tell me and and and it would maybe if you if you're not a thinking person you would maybe say Rafal he was very charismatic and very charming. But when you think about what my father was teaching me at the very end of his life, you can't say that about Raam or I would be remiss if I didn't say right now. He's tako. You're going to come to me as a tell me he's very charming and very charismatic. When I was a young man, I would have said, "You're dawn to right. He's right." But when I heard this lesson from my father, I said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." has the DNA of his divine that they have within them. And that was the that my father and uncle Mik and those that were theim and the there was a that they had that that was a that was emis and through emis you could conquer the whole world and it wasn't just charm and charisma but when the books come out about my father and all the articles that come out about my father I got to make this speech hang up a sign please don't say that he had charm and charisma because if I would sell it to someone he think he would think I'm nuts. How could you say it? You said it right in the beginning of this conversation. I didn't know when I said that that I was open up a Pandora's box. It's true what you said. It's true what you said. It's not true what you said. And it's really true what you said. Now there there are many people listening. Many people are going to go out now and especially in honor of the 25th yard site to buy the book to remind themselves of of who we who we missed, the void that was left. Uh really irreplaceable. Really irreplaceable. He was he was one in a generation. I don't think we've had anyone be able to step into those shoes. Bend told me many times he had a very close kesha. He for a small period of time even worked with my father in the youth division before he to full time. He told me that he took his young children to my father's la and he told his young children then a statement that he says at the time he knew was true but as years went on he said it's more true now than even when he said it then and he said it wasn't something that he had ever said he told his young children in the car I don't know if it was another way to home for I don't know he said to them what you are here this la he is truly irreplaceable cannot be replaced. And when he said it to me, I said, "Listen, the brother should make sure everybody will have a replacement." He said, "No, no, no. If you understood really what your father was and what he was, he cannot be replaced." So, I don't know. I I believe will give us people, but that's a word that he told me as the older he gets, the more he he believed that that's true. There's no question that there no Minska in his hespid in one of his opening line said how grateful we have to be to the that he gave us this maton for our generation. So yeah no question. What would you think is the takeaway for simple people like us whether people who are involved inadus and especially those people who are not right. So so number one you spoke you spoke about your father's devotion to his family. That's vital. You spoke about his deference to to what you he lived his life knowing he had a responsibility to claw yourself every rebu and every individual. But I would say in campa that very last summer that his doctors did not want to let him go. No, it wasn't the last summer. It was during it was right after he he went into remission baram for a few years. It was the summer right after he had gone into remission. And the doctors were afraid that he should be surrounded with little children in the camp. They used to hug him and he used to make a whole spiel when he came to the camp. And the doctors didn't want to let him go. And my father felt he had to go. It was his life. The camps just to see the shakind in a camp and he had to go and the doctor finally gave permission. They made a deal with the doctor that he won't shake anyone's hand. He didn't even keep the deal. Yeah. The whole famous story. when he got up to speak he was really he was a skeleton of himself. He eventually did get back to that charisma and all that. But that summer came to the camp was after going through treatment came to the camp and he said kind as long as the gives me air in my lungs to breathe. I will go around telling people you cannot live for yourself. You must live for others. And then you are first glow how do you translate glick in English then you are first lucky whatever I don't know fortunate fortunate lucky some words in Yiddish have no then your first glickl when you realize you can't live for yourself you have to live for everybody else the first takeaway is so we're too small we're small people and gives all of us you give there are certain that we literally could emulate and it's not just giving you means he gives you the tools the wherewithal and the capability to have the that we're talking about. So everyone you can't live for yourself. I would look at my father's little boy but say that was my time my private time. My sister didn't even have that. That was me. I used to tell him get up and come to sh and you'll have it. And so often he would tell me she everybody could be me. Now, when I was younger, I then I clearly didn't realize who I had as a father, but I did realize to a level, this was going on after that New York Times thing that I didn't know about, right? At first, I knew about it in school. And he's telling me, "Everybody could be me." He says, and I couldn't understand what he meant. He said, "If everybody would live their life and no, you were put in this world on a mission. We're all put in this world on a mission and we're given the tools to tools to execute and the tools to be successful on that mission." And we would understand a big part of that mission is you can't live for yourself. You have to live for others and then know you'll be fortunate for yourself when you do so. He said, "Then anybody could be me." Now, of course, that's uh not exactly right, but but what he his point was true that those were his marching orders. Yeah. Everybody were here on a mission. You you live you can't live for yourself. Just want to end this whole thing before we close because I'd be remiss if I didn't say this. In the Rabbi Mayor's lad's biography, it says that once we were walking home, I believe it was Simra and Rabia was very very young and my father loved him so and then he eventually became my older brother and I believe it was in the afternoon that my father met him on the street. My father hugged him and kissed him. Not something he did very often but people in the street and afterwards and he walked away and my father said, "See this fellow mayor? He's so brilliant and so bright. He's gonna make a major contribution to Claio. I looked at him said, "Wow, I know at that time I think maybe then no. Yeah, maybe I think he had a few kids, but I knew him. He started off as a campa stole him. Camp Mon take all the talent they used to end up camp right but what he's going to make a major country. He's so brilliant and so bright and it's in the book that my father made that prediction of Amea. My father had a gift from the Aisha that he was able to assess talent talent and believe in them before they believed in themselves and one of those people was a mayor. My father had a special reverence and love for Abnus by sermon without a question but may as a young man and a kesher to my father and my father believed in him told it to him and I'm a young boy standing my father I think we were walking to Ma on 14th Avenue and Barakar and he was walking I don't know and my father said that now that part's in the book I believe not in that book just I'd be remiss if I didn't say this to you not in that book but I believe it's one of Rabbi Cronhn's books but maybe it's in the Rabbi Zawit's biography But in somebody's it says that I had a close relationship with me and the first shabas that our moved into a beautiful building no longer being in a basement rented from a yeshiva and we moved in and gave us the honor that they came to our shabas for a kdish and no nobody was coming for me. They knew that my father was coming that shabas to honor me being there for Shabas. Nobody came for me. Anyway, mayor already was having a difficult time walking in life. It's hard to walk as even earlier years. He walked very far and he walked to camp for davening that shabas. Now I think it's in Rabbi Cronhn's book or it might be in one a recent book or might be in the biography of of of says and he said he came because he wanted to give me and he wanted to show me how much he believed in me. This is what this what it says in the book. What's missing whatever book it's in either Rabbi is Bessa's book or one of Rab was missing is the real part of the story which is when I came to the Shul that Friday night in the new building of Ashul there were boxes and boxes and boxes many many of brand new sedurum for the shul boxes and boxes and boxes of kum for the sh and each one each one and you were talking many many many many not like one bag of many. Each one had inside a sticker in honor of the RV. Wow. Okay. Each one. So when he came Shab this morning to the shul a big walk for him and he came to mazak me because he believes in me and all that. Said to mayor I'm so touched that you walked so far. I believe Gdalia Reb gadalia now I believe he walked with his father at Shabas. I said to Mayor I'm so touched that you walked there me but I said but you know you're here for my father. He said to me absolutely not. I'm here for you. You'll hear my father speak. He said, "I'm here for you. I speak to you, Father Lord. I'm here for you." I said, "Maybe I have only one question for you. Besides, I'm so grateful you walked." What do you give me so many boxes? What does the shoe have at this point? 30. What What did it have in there? So, you could have given one box would have been ample sufficient for what the Killing is right now. One box of one box of kamoshim. But you you can't imagine how many boxes you come to the still that those those boxes and boxes of sudurum and he looks at me and says to me, "Let me tell you something. I was giving all these sudurum not for this shabas. I believe in you and I know that you're going to make it in this field and this kah is going to be successful." And that's what I was doing. I was giving the boxes for the future, not for today. I looked at him. I said to him, "Mayor, it seems to me that what you're doing is reciprocating the belief that my father believed in you. You're reciprocating that and you're trying to show me you believe me." I said, "There's only one difference. I'm not Mayor Ladawitz. My father believed in you." He says to me, "No, no." He says, "There is no difference as far as me and you may lit." He says maybe the difference is I'm not Ramos believing your father was Abasher believing in me and he reciprocated with such a belief in me mayor that throughout the years reverberating and resonating off the walls of Alakahil on not only a major amount of art swarm that he would constantly send but was the belief not me a belief in a cahila a belief in a kahila that Ramea that forever and ever our kahill and me personally Okay. Have such a debt of gratitude to a man who was a visionary unparalleled. There's no way to describe now. But for me personally that it wasn't even true. What's what's he believe? Who am I? Who am I? But he gave me that shabas the walk but all those boxes and all the stickers that was something uniquely special about Raa that's what really is the fundamental of the of the of the art scroll that nothing nothing was insurmountable if you follow as he so did okay there's nothing insurmountable so for me to be here today on a very personal level I'm sitting here with you I have such from you on a very personal level on many levels but the my father had from that the my father would have from the whole here the truth is that the circle circle. It came full circle with the publication of my sitting here today. It comes full circle. Comes full circle that the stickers in the Surim his walking to my and it wasn't just one box and I looked at him like he was off his rack. It comes full circle in the belief that my father had in him which was there. It was warranted there. It made sense. His belief in me made no sense. But it was a of my life and it was so similar coming back to the very beginning of our conversation to a baron cutler told a man 30 years old. Okay, there's much bigger things in life for you than anyone shu and my father took that and my mother said back to bread and water but they believed in that. I thank the I believed in people such as my dear dear Rebellia who was the driving push for me that seven years ago by the 25th anniversary of was the only time he ever came to flat pbush for a shabis he surprised me to be part of our kah's celebration of that 25th anniversary at the time when they pushed me to become a wasn't something had any any for whatsoever for 100 reasons but my father said to How could you not listen to your then you said besides for the fact that they happen to be right but it doesn't need to hear right not right how could you not listen to them and mayor was one of those that pushed me so in such a big way that besides for all the other love that I feel for him that spills down to his children he spoke by every one of my children's sim may really and I spoke by many many many of his kids simas even though he would get nervous you're speaking too as I am now here. But he would say, he would say, "You're speaking too long, but I'm going to still ask you next time." Which you did with continued to give out the true unadulterated unadulterated. No compromising. Unadulterated. as my father did in as our school is doing through this and together we should be with all these Jews and my father was first thing he's going to tell me when he comes back when comes don't forget I know is going to tell me okay we should be together amen thank you again my great honor [Music]