Inside ArtScroll - Season 4 Episode 4: Rabbi Avrohom Asher Makovsky: Everyone Can Be a Great Baal...

[Music] Hello everyone and welcome back to Inside Art Scroll where the books you read and the people who write them come to life. Today I am privileged to be joined by Rabbi Aram Usher Makovski, author of a fantastic new book titled Living Kassid. Thank you, Rabbi Makovski, for being here. It's my pleasure to be here. It's a special for me because we're good friends. So to see my good friend put out a book and a book that really I've followed the the process from before it was even a book when it was just an idea. Uh is a tre a tremendous source of satisfaction. I must say I'm pr I'm proud of what you produced there because it's a fantastic book. The book is a kadeshm and it's an inspiration. It's going to inspire people to do and to live. All right. I'm I'm making believe I'm not on I'm not on a video here. Am I allowed to praise you? But uh you were you you were the power behind this book because when you gave me the first idea, put come on put the stories in writing on put the sh in writing. I was like an English book. It didn't like really I didn't take it serious. Right. But the more you kept on telling me what a good idea it is, so the more uh started make started penetrating. So the the viewers may not know that you are a mab or swarm. You've written in Hebrew, but you started giving shirim in English on the topic of shirim that I heard and I was very very taken by them. And whoever hasn't heard them, they should take advantage and listen to your your shim that you have on because they're extremely inspiring. They all have a story with a lesson and I the reason why I pushed you to write the book and thank you for the opportunity that you gave me also to write the forward to the book. I I felt you know the book wouldn't have happened without you. But I felt that this book I I felt that needed this book because we have books on many many different topics and the topic of the way you teach it the way you taught me was so penetrating and so powerful I felt that you had to share it and this book is is magnificent. Okay. I I find one of the things that one of the real fundamental mistakes that people may people make and I'm not saying I I probably made that mistake too many years ago and that is that when people say you got to do you have to really do a lot of so a lot of means you got to take chunks of time away from yourself away from your family and start giving up hours of like a solo member or a big member or big organizations and people like listen I have a family to take care of I just you know hashem put me in a situation now that I just can't be spending hours doing so really that is a fundamental mistake like we've discussed many times that's one of the opening things I say in any sh I say onet that means the pelleoy like you've heard from me before and we've we've I've quoted I've quoted the paleo dozens of times please please share it with with the viewers okay the pelleoyates that says that when it comes before shashani People are looking for they're like looking high and low. So he says some people will pay a lot of money to do to open up is people pay a lot of money. Some people will buy for a lot of money because it's a school. Some people pay money for people are looking for in his days. He says people paid money for sand to be a sandic. It's unbelievable. It says one second to give someone change of a coin is greater than opening the because it's a mitzvah in the of that means if someone needs change and the mitzvah of is whatever you would want someone to do to you do it to someone else. Right? So if you're standing by a coffee machine that says exact change only and you don't have change of a dollar, right? So you wouldn't want someone to change it for you. to change someone else is a mitzvah of greater than opening. So like Pier is saying any type of favor you do you're driving home from work he gives someone a lift you just did a mitz of any type of favor you do so the opportunities are endless and you bring in the book one of the wonderful chapters where you bring a story from Raf and I love that chapter because it talks about how a yeshiva is a repository of opportunities came to he said I don't really get to do and yeshiva he wanted to know if he could go out of yeshiva I don't know if it was to play music in an age old a a old age home right and do in that fashion and shak's response was you don't have to go anywhere the is under your nose just look around yourself and he talks about uplifting fellow bahim some people are down and out a yeshiva is a great opportunity you're around people you could do so much right so this is the thing that you know like um you know we're having a candid conversation here But it's something every time I talk about I cannot control myself from saying over this Rambam this earthshattering Rambam you know that I've said this in many speeches and I used to get phone calls where is this Rambam so after that I like you know now I always say where it is it's in Peric Vimble chapter 6 law three that you can look up the Rambam that the Rambam says the ultimate way to be Mim fulfill the mitz and the is to give someone a compliment. to uplift them. And the answer is simple. The explanation of the ram is because whatever you would like someone to do to you, you do to someone else. The greatest desire a person has is that people think good of them. That's the greatest desire what they have. So if that's the greatest desire that you have, so the greatest way to fulfill is to compliment. So now let's go back. We started before. Someone is busy. They have no time. They're busy with their family. They're in work from 9 to5. Then they go home. How many times a day can they fulfill the ultimate way of the mitzvah of right? You compliment your employee, you compliment your employer, you compliment your co-orker, you tell your wife, you're a great mother when you come home, you tell your children, you did such a nice job on your homework, you did you just were sixes of without going into any organization just sitting in your house is unbel of your friend and that's right. So that's very similar to right it's very very similar but it's just it's building up giving friendship to people and it's you really bring that out in story after story how small acts of kindness a nice word a small gesture could really be life-changing besides like you're saying that you're being mimitzvida I and I've said this over when I I spoke in Bahram quite a few times I always say over that example example I say over that example if there's a fellow across the base and you pissed him a gum that he needed your act is a mitzvah that's greater than if you got and the bakram's eyes jump out of their head they can't fathom it because we're so programmed to think we have like our priorities what's more important what's more so I gave someone change for a soda machine that's that's on par with yeah that's on par with something so exalted and I want to add to what you just said. You just said that if you pass a gar to your friend, you're because you did a favor for him. And if you tell your friend you said a rajbah, that is the greatest. The Rambam is saying that's the epitome of is to compliment your friend. I mean, it's almost like tragic. That's the words we used in the book. That's almost tragic to overlook that. Mhm. That means you come home from at night, you tell your wife, you are a great cook, you keep a great house, you're a great person, you fulfilled three times the mitzvah of in the best way. And I love that you brought up that example because we, you know, we always say charity begins at home. Begins at home also. That's right. Can be manifest in your house. People don't realize that there's with your spouse and your children also. Just because they're related to you doesn't mean it's not a mitzvah when you praise them or you make them feel good. That's why your example is wonderful. How many example how many times do we squander the opportunity at home or or in our classroom or in our work you know work environment? It's wonderful and about a husband and wife especially a famous that he says that the way a person is judged on their behalf is the way they act to their spouse. Mhm. Many years ago I said in Kazak I said a speech on Shalis I very much stressed this. So a person might think but with your spouse but I mean like I'm away the whole day she's at home or she's away the whole day. We come home we see a little bit a few compliments that's that's the greatest you could do for each other is to show the person that you think highly of them. Now you you've become I'm going to call you an ambassador of some sort in in teaching. Where where did just share a little background where did that come from? Where did you grow up first of all? So I I would say I would say two things to that question. First I would say you know my parents always like to help anyone that has a need like like you know what I'm saying? My mother has a special thing of trying to make for older singles. She like and hard cases hard cases and she's made she's made some real hard cases that like you know and she and she also likes to invite over I grew up like you know this older whatever bakar this older this come for a shabas suda and from they always liked they always like to help people my father mother together they're always looking out to help people that's one thing the second thing I would say is I'll tell you something interesting I got a phone call the other week someone just is saying he lives in a town or he lives to listens to the daily do of and he's a bouva from Florida and he's whatever he really enjoys it fine how did you come from I don't think I ever told you this happened just last week he said you know how I came from because someone gave me an art schoolsh and I started learning and I started learning I felt the the I felt it was speaking to me that's really how I became from from learning And he said now he has real estate. He lives in Natana. He liked the water. He used to live in Florida. So he lives by Natana there, but he has real estate in the United States, but he lives in Eras. And so he called you because he heard one of the he says he listened to them in Italy and he sent the podcast back to Florida to people. He said, "I want you to know that we're listening in Florida." That's what he was calling me calling to tell me. Fine. But really I want to say something this point that he got me thinking. He says from learning I became from the more you learn and gar you see how is a key from learning the gar are all over the place. What should you do to be safe from Mashiach? You should toil in people that have certain it says Ben had clawless on them. What should you do? Toil entire always puts this together. You have to toil and and it's one of the things that you've commented on the of the going on both of that it's it's it's an immersion. You have to you have to be immersed in it. And this is one of the things I come to say in fact I started off the book in the introduction with that is that told people that there's no other way to be saved when every time when sars are happening he says already before in his time before World War II he was saying that already it's the onset of Mashia we're coming close to the year 6000 he said already in his time it was already the onset so said that you're wasting your time going around what could we do for protection the gar that the only protection from is being immersed in and so that's what I bring out that people could say that immerse myself in you understand how to do that how do you immerse yourself in if you have a nine-to-five job and then when you run home you have to run to your and run to bring do homework with your kids how could you be constantly toiling in the answer is if you just drop five compliments throughout the day and give one person a lift. You just did massive the whole day. It's just it's just a mindset. It's a reprogramming. Just a reprogramming in the in the book that we write is that how can a person think to compliment? How can they think once you get it into your head? This is a this will protect me from so why should I not compliment? You know, just I'll tell you something. Today I ded in a minion and someone ded a beautiful hales and I was like bothered the guy ded really nice and I didn't see anyone complimenting. Mhm. I'm saying someone ded a nice hal if someone will just internalize it's a mitzvah to say I enjoyed your ding. You're a beautiful then it's if a person internalizes that that it's a mitzvah. Then why it doesn't cost anything beautiful and it costs you nothing. It cost you nothing and it's just and it's the greatest and it's the greatest protection. So like it's a it's a that this hasn't been brought out more. I'll be honest when I when I went through the book when I went through the manuscript before it was published I kept saying to myself you're you're not being you're saying you're saying things that are so obvious like you said before open you're not reinventing the wheel. You're just you're shining a light on something that needed to be magnified in a greater way and you do it magnificently. Now, I know I noticed before you skirted my question because I know you don't like talking about yourself, but I just want to hear for our viewers a little background about you. I know again I know you don't like talking about yourself. I know you want to talk about the book and you're about you're all about spreading the message, which we'll get back to, but just tell us a little about yourself. Where where did you grow up? Where did you learn? Okay. So, um I I learned in actually I learned in elementary school I learned and I loved it. So, you grew up in Flatbush? I grew up in Flapush and it was was Gavaldic elementary years like real fond memories. Then I went to Terimima from then on starting ninth grade of Orlando. I was privileged to have as a rebby through and then I went to her to learn the brisk and then I u came back to then I came to Lakewood and um that's my background I say and I say for the lunch and learn program I think as well in Lakewood as well the lunch and learn program is your topic always about no no so the lunch and learn that's available on Torah anytime that's it's nine out of 10 nine nine out of on but um at the last three or four minutes of this which is only 27 minutes the whole share the last three four minutes we usually say something in something usually that's about now one time I made a special series of four which that CD which is also called which is also called livingass very popular right it was called living and that was also called livingass and that that was on um that that I made a special thing I gave four shin And that series that series of living is what really spurred me to push you to write this book because that and whoever didn't hear those it's worth getting hold of. Is there a way to get hold of them? I I could if someone contacts me. Someone contacts you. Those are really I'm not exaggerating. They're life-changing. First of all, your delivery is magnificent. You have everything is documented in Kazal and you have fantastic stories which is which is really what you do in this book. Right. This book this book has really the stories here bring each time we bring the kazal to point we give a fascinating story and most most of these stories are not wellknown right you did a great job we would call curating the stories walk us through how do you go about collecting stories I know as as someone who tries to collect stories and tries to write it's hard to find original stories most stories by now everyone seems to know them um some of them that you write are firsthand so obviously they're original uh what what's your process of collecting stories to be on message? Okay. Well, first of all, I have to tell you that since I've been speaking about and always mentioning stories on in my even when I'm saying the last few minutes is usually about so the end of the sh I'm saying so I've been always on the lookout for good stories and and so when it came to this thing of writing a book in other words a bunch of the stories were already we're going to make the podcast say the stories I had these stories for years in my memory that I'm like this story I heard once on a thing. This I once heard from the rabb years ago. This story happened 20 something years ago. I remember in Lakewood these things because it was so precious to me. Every story. So I've I've had them in me for many years. A lot of them I didn't have to search. A lot of them was now I'm going to take a lot of these stories and a lot of them are not well known. And it's in it's interesting like this Ram that we spoke before about a compliment that it's not a well-known Ramdom. I've said it over I almost would say hundreds of times already and I remember like when 911 happened people know where they were when they heard about it right I remember where I was driving when I I heard Raat Salman say over from Gates before we came to Lakewood when he said over this Ramb I remember I was driving in Baltimore I remember where I was driving what an impression that it shook me that the compliment is so basically these stories stories always made a very big impression on me. So you're saying like you started building up almost like a treasure like a treasure trove without writing them down. Uhhuh. I I just had them, you know, they were these were stories that I had with me that I, you know, would you say that hearing that Rambam was what sparked your revolution, you know, would I that was that it? I It's hard to say. I don't know. I I I can't answer that. If it sparked my my I can't say to speak about it. I I I don't know. I can't answer an honest answer to that. But I can say that when I when it hit me that the Rambam is saying that this is the ultimate way to do it hit me on a new like a ton of bricks. Sure. That the greatest is is available to like you know one of my podcasts that I put out the topic was how to be the greatest husband and the whole thing was less than four minutes. Like someone saying how could you do that in less than four minutes? Well it was the greatest is to compliment your wife. Mhm. That that was this Ramom. That's the greatest, right? Make your wife feel appreciated. Stiple writes in a letter that a husband or wife that feels not appreciated by their spouse, it's like, you know, so that's a good question that it definitely spurred me to a new degree how is so accessible and so easy. Right. Right. Right. And and and if people would realize the power of compliments, especially from people who are good at what they're complimenting you about, you know, for example, I think of of two people, let's say Rabbi Cron Zangut and Rabbi Spiro. Both of them are very generous with compliments. I know to me they always have a a nice word to say and they're at the top of their field. If people would realize that in whatever position they're in, they could really build people and and spur them on to to further growth. It's it's an I will add one thing that we're talking about compliments that it's a mitz and how especially how it builds people up, but of course it's and we explained that in the book a few times. You have to have a good dose of also how to say the compliment. A compliment that's on mark, right? person doesn't just think you're saying, "Oh, great, great, great for everything." It has to be done with it has to be genuine. Has to be has to be right. It has to be real. Has to be real. But everybody has something real to compliment, right? Everyone has something real. So like, you know, if you're going to compliment your wife on on the steak that was burnt toast, so it's not real. It's silly. That's silly. That's silly. But everybody has good things. I I'm telling you, people read this book, they're going to walk away guaranteed. they're going to look at their daily interactions differently. There's no other way about it. You read this book, even a few chapters, and suddenly you start thinking to yourself, hold on, everything I do in my day from the moment I wake up and meet the first person and I wish them good morning till I go to sleep at night, I'm going to encounter so so many opportunities. And um it's really unbelievable. I sometimes enjoy telling people like you know if I give a bakar a hitch one or two bakham hitchings I once gave like three bakham a hitch. I told them you know that I'm doing three mitzvah ISIS with this car ride three. I said yeah and they said which mitzvah they're like boy you got to get this word out there to more drivers you know so we could get some more hes looks at it like that. Now you're not obligated if to go out of your way if you're, you know, your wife is waiting for you, your children are waiting for you, you have a so you're have obligations you have to do. But if a person has this mindset, if I go five blocks out of the way for someone, I'm doing a mitzvah, it's like I'm opening the I'm doing the mitzvah like you know, it's no less than your $250. Right. Right. Right. Right. Now you're you're a you're a master of stories. You have great stories. People love stories. I don't want to put you on the spot. I don't know if you could think of what what what are one or two of your favorite stories. So, you know, it's a it's a thing. A lot of people ask me that and I I I don't mind telling you a story. I could sit there and tell a lot of stories, but it's very hard for me to say what's my favorite story. Okay? I I I I knew that question was going to be coming because I've been asked it more than once. It's very hard for me to say what's my favorite because I feel there's so many different stories that each one bring out the point in a different way. They're each special. They're each special. But I will tell you something that I'll tell you something interesting interesting that what what I find about that we're talking about building someone up, right? How it's literally like life-changing. You mentioned that story with Raf Raf said a line that and it's one of the times, you know, when I went over with my editor in the book, we didn't want to make too many things bold because if you start making bold every chapter, something bold. Let me let me use that opportunity to thank the editor, Mrs. Khan Obam. She did an incredible job. She did an unbelievable job. She took every written p she exactly like I wrote in the acknowledgements. She took every written page and took that page and made into a masterpiece. Hashem gave her such a special talent and she uses it. She uses it. She she was telling me that you know the things that she uses the talent to be. Oh, she did. She did a magnificent job. So getting getting back. I'm sorry I interrupted your story. Yeah. So, no. So, so this story there's there's there's a couple of different points, but this I I I what I mentioned right right before that was about making bold. So, Mrs. Nestlebound didn't want I should make bold too many things in the book because she said it loses its effect. Every chapter you have something bold cried wolf right so he only did bold three times. one is an introduction this Rambam about the compliment that that's the ultimate way to do the mitz of now the second time Mrs. Nestleb was very touched by something and she made this bowl by herself and I don't have permission but I will tell you something just to show how she took to heart this thing. She said this was so eyeopening to her straight she discussed it with her children and her son got together and they actually took an action from from this that is that is that you're obligated to give to your relatives first and it gives a list and the guy holds that it's first you have to get help out your parents then your married children and then your brothers and sisters which means to say that if anybody has I wasn't planning on going to the stucka aspect it's only like one or two pieces on this but you mentioned Mrs. how she was taken by this. That means if anyone has brothers or sisters that can't pay their tuitions, you're obligated to give first to help them pay their of tuitions before you give to any parliament meetings to any yeshivas to any other great you know any other great causes you got to help. So she was so taken by this that she mentioned this to her son and this and they got together and they gave all their miser money to help out one of their relatives that needed that that had some kus. Wow. They said and you yourself have shared with me you know stories of people who have picked up the phone called up a school and right and there's a few there's a few great stories there's a few great stories in the book about this firsthand stories that you know firstand stories one of them you know now that we're talking like a conversation one of the things I I heard directly from the school secretary which was my daughter you know who got this phone call and the person anonymously just to take take care of the tuition burdens of siblings of relives of of siblings of siblings children and that's really the highest this is this is the highest sodaka this is that's the second time it was bolded was on this that that she did okay the third time I bolded I asked her permission to bold one more time and she gave me permission to bold one more thing and that is this thing there's a few a towards the end of the book I have a few fascinating stories which here I have to be very careful not giving out these are all stories that I know really firsthand basically from through this through that friends of whatever I know really stories but this thing like what you said where you started mentioning before the story was that Rafi Wolf he was a very close mash so he was there when came into and asked that the world stands on three things and I learned in yeshiva I don't do so like you mentioned before he wants to go play music he's a talented musician he wants to go to to an old age home and play some music. So the really the way I the story how I like to bring it out is and this is what I wrote got upset because his point was like this said I know what's going on in yeshivas there are bim that are depressed there are bakham that don't feel part don't feel part of the click they're having trouble to take five or 10 minutes out of your time of your supper time and smoo with a baker that's feeling out of it that is the greatest not just making someone happy playing a little music for them to take a boy that's feels lost in a school lost in a cliff. So the way I brought it out in the book was it's like imagine someone I'll tell you which line I made bold in a minute. That's imagine somebody is sitting in a they're sitting like you know in a hospital and he's in the ICU in intensive care and he says you know I really want to go visit someone sick. Maybe I should walk to the pediatrician's office and visit someone who has streped throat. Like, hello. You want to go? You're in the ICU. You want to visit a sick person, you're in the ICU. I said, it's almost like saying you would, this is this is what I emboldened to a girl that doesn't have friends on and that doesn't have friends in school on a Sunday when all her friends are going out and having a great time. I wrote a real story about this that girls that are going out having a great time on Sundays and this girl is sitting home feeling alone. That's ICU level. This was I bolded that long. This is ICU level. Greater than going to a nursing home and playing music is to give that girl friendship to that could literally save her life. That's a matter of life and death. So this is something that's really there's a lot of stories about this real firsthand stories about girls who just made it who took another girl in who made it their business. And I'm not going to tell you I preach this you know I could without going into preach this to a lot of people people that I that are relatives of mine people that I know whoever has a popular son or popular daughter I give them this message tell them they have an if they're popular in school there's a lot of stories out there in this book addressed to people that are popular kids if Hashem gave you that matana of being popular use it that when the five girls or five boys want to do something on a Sunday or do something on a benaz man. You tell them, I'm insisting that we take a we take along this other girl also. And when you're popular, you could carry that weight because they want you. You're like the life of the party. So they'll listen to you. So that's your is to make sure they don't get left out. There's a lot in there. And in fact, I you know like I I I it's also in there that gumar sometime there's nothing stronger than a garra. Everyone's aware that fell asleep for 70 years. But what happened when he woke up after 70 years since no one recognized him? The garist right Mrs. was saying this Gamarra and Tinus like you know like it was going into her head from editing it right it's 23A she I remember it's 23A I remember that Tinus 23A and he said he would rather die because no one was giving him the respect anymore someone who we can't imagine but since people were not giving him the respect the covet we're not giving him respect anymore he felt he'd rather die that shows that Respect for a person is a matter of life and death. It's not like like I always tell the people this mal I like to tell kids when I'm I'm giving like when our girls when I spoke I spoke this in Oros high school I sped a speech in Orus high school and I I spoke so powerful so passionate about this that I said it was right before Yum Kipper I said it was the day before Kipper I said you want to make sure you're going to have a everyone sitting in this auditorium make sure that now you're standing on for a good year make sure think I'm going to make sure when we do something when we have a kan in a couple months from now I'm going to make sure to include those less popular girls. I'm going to make sure if I'm in charge of I'm going to make sure to bring them with me on Sundays when we go out. I said this will guarantee you a greater a great year better than anything else you can do because if you have them back on you this is what gets me the most passionate about you know this. So going back to that said either either I'll die he couldn't either and when he says he says either I have a friend that gives me respect is respect or else I'd rather die. This is exactly what the alteratka used to say that if a person feels that he's worthless, his nish would depart from his goof. He would drop dead because a person who has no respect, feels no one thinks good of him. They want to that's why they're depressed laying in bed because they're not getting any friendship. So I like to tell this I like to bring out when I speak to boys to teenagers or boy or girls. I tell them as follows. I say, imagine you're standing on a street and it's pouring rain and there's cars passing by and no one's giving you a hitch. Now the person gives you a hitch. They did a mitz of you feel very bad that you didn't get a hitch. Is it going to enter your mind that if I have to walk in the rain, I'd rather die? No. Imagine a a wife who does can't get supper ready one night. Is she gonna feel like because I can't I don't have supper ready I'd rather die. No. No normal person will think like that. But yet the gamur is saying and the is amplifying it that if a person feels that they have no friends they would rather die. So this is the greatest this is the ICU level to show them friendship. And if one person this will affect from the book it's worth it. Listen, you you reframed the way people look at and this is something that's mentioned in the forward and then mentioned throughout the book that you don't have to be the head of a colossal global organization like high lifeline or and so on to do genuine and and you you're helping the individual is on not is not on a lower level. It's that level of supreme and um what a book. What a book. You've done a you've done an unbelievable job. It is so gishmach to read. It is broken down into what is it about 103 chapters, right? And I would say it's 103 chapters and I would say there's a couple hundred stories because there are many chapters that have many chapters that have multiple stories. Multiple stories and the chapters are short enough. I would mention that it's perfect for a Rebia teacher in a classroom if they need a daily lesson. This book is tailor made for that and it's very down to earth. So I think it's great for and I and I will go back again to what you said Miss Nestlebound gets a lot of credit how she had had the had the skill to make it very easy to read. She's very magnificent. She's a master at what she does at making it very easy to read. I would say for Rabonim for drussas it's fantastic and really for any individuals whether for Shabas table if people want a a book that's light in terms of how it reads but that's so filled within and and quality reading this is it it's very lightem it is light which I think is a because you're writing about a very substantive topic which somehow you know a book could get dragged down you're talking about a very it's very important And that's why it's also important that each piece is short, right? Right. Because, you know, I would try very hard to keep pieces short that you can read each piece by itself, right? So, you know, I would I would ask you when volume two is coming out, even though I know you're just catching catching your breath on volume one. I want to make a recommendation. I think that uh I'm going to say this here first. I think a youth version of this book, whether for kids or for youth, would be very popular. I don't know if you thought about that yet. In fact, my myin Rabbi Prinsky um who's a manal in liquid for the younger grades liquid right so I gave him one as a gift and he called me up and says I have a you give me so much material of stories that I could do to young kids so so maybe that is an idea so maybe that is an idea um it's really wonderful thank you for the time that you put into this book I would call it a safer really I just don't want to scare people off because it's a safer but it's but it's but it's very easy reading Right. That's what we were going back and forth with Miss Nestlebam. We didn't know should we call it story number one, lesson number one, share number one because it's a story that has a lesson, right? So, we just left it neither. We just numbered the way you did it was was perfect. Yeah. And um you should continue to be and I want to take it up to me again to thank you because bottom line is if you wouldn't have kept on persisting, I'm telling you, you got to put it in writing. You got to put it in writing. You got to put it in writing. That's what you know. Thank you for that. Thank you for your yidas. I I I I'll be honest. I just I sh from what you did and and I felt that the world needed it and the world is a better place because of this book. I hope so. Many people should benefit from it. You should continue with your wonderful and the tremendous that you give to people. Amen. And I'll just add on that um the same way you were makazic me with this book, you should be mazic many more authors. Amen. Thank you again and thank you for coming down for this conversation. My pleasure. [Music]