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Art, Judaism & Comic Books - Rabbi Daniel Schonbuch
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welcome to the show my name is Rabbi
Daniel shambach your host every week on
this exciting new program interviewing
the people that are making a difference
in the Jewish world tonight we have a
special guest Rabbi Simka Weinstein the
rabbi the campus Rabbi at Pratt
Institute in Brooklyn New York he's uh
Al also the author of numerous books
about Jewish culture and Judaism uh
Rabbi simpa thanks so much for joining
us today it's great to be here yeah uh
tell us a bit you know where you're from
and how you got into this whole Jewish
thing okay so I like to tell people I
did not grow up religious I grew up
normal for want of a better word uh I'm
from Manchester England and my
background is really uh in the film
industry I went to film school and for
me growing up religion was spiritual
Valium something that others needed to
get answers to the existential questions
of life that didn't always have answers
they say that when you make plans uh God
laughs and uh really as a student I
started getting involved with the
various Jewish Outreach groups uh took a
trip to Israel which was followed by a
trip to Yeshiva which was followed by a
longer trip to Yeshiva uh at which point
I was becoming a little bit cynical with
the the film industry sometimes it's not
always good good to meet with your
Heroes and heroin wins and uh ended up
uh becoming a rabbi well you a lot of
people grew up in Manchester with a
similar story but didn't make the
choices you made what made your choices
happen I think um I was always looking
and seeking and searching and I think
the morality of Judaism I think the
spirituality certainly going to Israel
was uh fundamental in my uh life's
journey and uh I think I became cynical
with the film industry and uh I think
the the rabbonim that I met and the
Torah that I was exposed to was really
uh life formative now you've written
several books and one of them was called
up up and ove it was all about the comic
book Heroes and Judaism was that sort of
a segue between your Jewish life and and
film is that a way to get back into it
well you know I like you said in the
introduction I'm the rabbi of Pratt
Institute which is really one of the
finest art schools in America and when I
first became the rabbi of Pratt you know
I started to talk about you know the
rabbi uh shtick and uh it was not always
as well received as I would like and uh
I really started to talk about the
synthesis of Theology and pop culture
which really comes very naturally to me
I went to art school and now I'm
suddenly the rabbi of an art school so
it was really an evolution not a
Revolution and the superhero book was a
great initially a great way to connect
to students uh I grew up with a love of
culture uh superheroes were very sort of
fundamental to my childhood and uh I
think it was one of those things it was
kind of the right Topic at perhaps the
right time I think uh as uh always in
times of trouble I think we turn to
popular culture for Solace and the whole
world seems to have gone super hero muga
and it really fits in with my my
narrative well there's so many movies
today about super Heroes when I grew up
as a kid I remember I was reading Batman
and Superman and Spider-Man but you you
wrote a book about this so what did you
talk about in your book how are Jews
connected to the superheroes so
basically it's a little known fact
though it's not so little known anymore
that every single superhero that's
captured the imagination of the world
was written and illustrated by Jews uh
largely because uh the late 1930s were
particularly anti-semitic and Jews with
artistic aspirations were B and limited
from many Industries comic books were
somewhat in their infancy it was a joke
and the pulp comic uh was a very easy
industry for immigrant Jews to uh to
enter and in the book I write about um
there's a Jewish cultural historical and
I believe a spiritual connection to the
All-American superhero one of my
favorite superheroes was Superman and I
I was wondering does he represent
something about the Jews protecting
themselves or overcoming adversity Rabbi
shambach I'm impressed so Superman was
created by two uh uh Jews from Cleveland
Ohio Jerry seagull and Joseph Schuster
very Jewish names very Jewish names and
I think he represents many things he was
sort of uh a Samson like figure he's
also uh based somewhat on the story of
Moses which the authors themselves have
acknowledged if you think about the
story of Moses uh Passover is on the
horizon now that as Egypt faces
implosion Baby Moses is put in the Reed
basket sent away grows up in a foreign
culture foreign land becomes the Savior
and really the story is mirrored in that
of Superman as Krypton implodes baby Cal
L as he's called in the comics which is
Hebrew as you know for The Voice or
vessel of God Cal L is put into the
rocket ship sent away grows up in a
Midwestern cornfield with the Kent
family and becomes the savior of
humanity I think it's impossible to see
Superman as anything other than an
assimilation archetype I think he
represents the Immigrant Jew seeking to
assimilate seeking to hide seeking to
become part of the golden Medina that
was America at that time but at the same
time having this sort of secret this
secret Heritage and this secret
tradition well it's just like Moses who
had his own secret tradition in the
house of parro and eventually emerges to
be the Superman to take the Jews out of
Egypt right and tragically the story
happened for real as the old country of
Europe implodes Jewish children at that
time were put onto Kinder transports and
sent away to live in safety with
families uh in England so the story
really has tragic resonance and if you
look at the older comics from the
archives you'll see Superman will tie a
knot in the cannon of a Nazi tank and
he'll take the war to to Hitler himself
and that must have been a very powerful
portrayal of wish fulfillment that was
really um these Jewish um creators ways
of of fighting back and fighting the war
in fact it's been said that uh Hitler
himself denounced Superman a Jew which
is remarkable that these two kids from
Cleveland were able to take their
creation all the way to to Berlin they
were able to to capture the imagination
of their generation and become empowered
through their art is that correct and I
think it brought wish fulfillment it's
been estimated that one in four Allied
soldiers carried a copy of a comic book
as they fought the War and I think it's
an interesting statement on the
Immigrant Jew and if you think about it
really there's nothing more American
than Superman Captain America perhaps
more so he's the flag embellished as a
costume but really is not American what
he is is he's the wish fulfillment of
what it means to be American coming from
immigrant Jews who wanted to be all
American and I think the wish
fulfillment was so powerful and poignant
that America adopted Jewish fiction as
reality this may sound a little hokey
but I think perhaps the argument can be
made that the American dream is a Jewish
invention it's an immigrant invention
well that's that's about Superman what
about Batman I mean he doesn't have the
same story of Superman I don't see a
Jewish theme in there exactly but I I
see somebody fighting crime right so
yeah Batman was created by two Jews Bob
Kane and Bill Finger In fact Gotham City
was based on Gotham Jewelers where Bill
finger's mother worked he's certainly
not a Jewish character in fact uh he's
from another Faith tradition in the
comics but he really represents as Bob
kanaine wrote in his autobiography the
wish fulfillment um that he had as a
Jewish immigrant in the sense that
Batman has no powers he's self-taught
he's self-funded he's self-motivated and
it's really through a yishak cup that
he's able to overcome uh obstacles so
he's kind of like this battling um sort
of immigrant figure who's able to
overcome the odds and and save the day
wait isn't that the theme of Judaism to
fight for the oppressed and to help the
underdog yeah I think these things are
rooted I mean you look at the story of
Jacob who spends the night wrestling
with an angel I think the wrestle and
the struggle to overcome insurmountable
odds is is a very Jewish uh journey and
a very Jewish topic and I think that's
what resonates uh with the superhero and
I think that's the reason that today in
2017 that uh you'll see almost every
Blockbuster today is a superhero movie I
think America seeks solace in pop
culture and I think now there's so much
tension around the world I think we we
almost need these Heroes more than ever
now you're the rabbi at Pratt Institute
it's one of the leading schools of
design in the world so do you use your
artwork and do you use your books as a
way to communicate Judaism to students
on campus today very much uh I think for
me initially as I said the books were a
great vehicle to connect to students in
a language they can appreciate and a
medium that they understand uh also my
my synagogue which we established on
campus I use as an art gallery and for
me it's very important to students uh
that students are given the chance to
incubate uh emerging Jewish art and I
want them to express themselves Express
their Jewish identity through the art
and I really believe that a Torah class
which is very important Rabbi don't get
me wrong um unfortunately doesn't always
get as well attended as I would like uh
however a piece of culture is able to to
reach the world we see a short film uh a
piece of art uh especially in in this
digital age is really able to to go
viral and and go uh completely Global in
a very short span of time if you're
actually able to talk about things which
are interesting your students today and
through talking about those things then
talk about Judaism as well very much I
try when I give over a class a Friday
night meal I I'll look at what's
happening in the world whether it be uh
a political uh story or even the Oscars
and I'll try and find a Jewish
perspective and a Jewish slant and a
Jewish teaching H uh I know that
recently was the Oscars and and there
was the snafu with the best picture of
the year and I I would use that as an
example of students to overcome
disappointment and perhaps life doesn't
always you know pan out the way you
would like and perhaps this is a
teaching tool and we can look at the
para or look at a a a holiday and try
and look at these things through the
lenss of Judaism now I know you've
written other books you wrote another
book called stick shift which talks
about actors comedians in in Judaism so
can you talk a bit about that book and
yeah sure uh I wrote a book called stick
shift Jewish humor in the 2 Century I
think uh I was always the class clown in
school uh and I think that was really my
way of overcoming uh insurmountable odds
I was a little bit bullied in school and
I found that when I told jokes you know
the cool kids liked me a lot more and
the bullies seemed to bully me uh a lot
less and I think that I tapped into the
Jewish tradition of of humor being used
as a defense mechanism and I think if
you have the last laugh you win even
when you lose in fact time magazine
noted uh in the late '70s that 80% of
the comedians at that time were Jewish
it's remarkable 2% of the population
becomes 80% of the comedians I think
Jews have always been America's Jesters
of choice and we see this I think rooted
in Torah and I think it's really a way
that we've overcome these terrible um
situations that unfortunately history
has has repeated itself uh on numerous
occasions does Adam emerged from The
Immigrant Story I mean Jews just came to
this country let's say 100 years ago
most Jews so are they expressing
something about their immigration story
Outsiders I think the borch Bel humor um
Jack Benny or all of these earlier bed
comedians I think they were talking
about their own lives and I think it's
something this Outsider Insider much
like the superhero um I think like you
know the V
twiist puppet is able to say things that
the vent twiist wouldn't perhaps say so
I think that uh using humor as a way to
fight back you know in Fiddler on the
Roof they say God bless the Zar and keep
him far away from us from us I think
Jews have always used humor as a way uh
as a a very powerful defense mechanism
but do you think today's Jewish Comics
that are popular today are they
communicating Judaism through their art
yeah I mean Jewish humor is just as
strong today I think as it's ever been I
think perhaps it's a little more edgy I
think it's uh perhaps certainly not
uh so rinic approved for the uh the the
Shabbat morning Pulpit but comedians
like Sasha Baron Cohen who takes on the
Persona of bat and he's able to twist
anti-Semitism on itself he's like the
anti
anti-site and he's able to really show
that you know the way that we overvalue
fake celebrity and undervalue real
history I think he's able to show um the
the darkness in the world today right so
Rabbi simpa thank you so much for
joining us today is there any final
things you like to tell our audience
about art Judaism and comic books you
buy my books right now all of them
immediately on Amazon um I have a
website rabis s.com my books are
available in all good book stores and uh
I I would just like to keep the uh keep
the journey and keep the struggle and
and keep the dialogue I I find these
things really fascinating and I think
that as a labovich rabbi myself that
something that was fundamental to the
Reb's teachings was as somebody comes
back to to Judaism and becomes a balet
Chua that they are able to find the
Torah in in their Journey so I think
that superheroes and humor are things
that I've always studied and the fact
that I'm able to bring out a Jewish
message I think is very Central to who I
am as a rabbi and I think just because
you perhaps become closer to Judaism I
don't think you have to lose your
personality in the process RAB thank you
thank you so much for joining us would
you come back again another show anytime
thanks for joining us well that wraps up
another show of Family Matters my name
is Rabbi Daniel shach see you next week
on our new segment