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Ari Goldwag - Veyetze - Spiritual Transitions
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Why does the ladder represent so many different things: the temple, Mount Sinai, four exiles? Why do the angels who destroyed sodom return here? Why were they out of commision for 138 years? Why are they all of a sudden returned to their post now? How could the angels say something wrong? What does it mean that Hashem hovers over the ladder or Yakov? Find out in this week's parsha podcast.
Featuring:Ari Goldwag
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shemesh israel 5770 6 2015 this week's
parsha is partially I'd say the Torah
tells us that as Yaakov aveeno as Jacob
was leaving his home as he was going off
at the command of his parents to find a
wife in the house rift cos family of
Abraham's family back in Quran so he
lies down to sleeping he has a vision
the famous vision of Jacob's Ladder of
the ladder with the malacca milan VAR
Danne boy the angels rising and
descending chapter 28 verse 12 it says
valhalla me he had a dream viene su
limits of art saw there was a ladder
which was standing on the ground of
Russia magesh shamima the top of which
was reaching to the heavens we named Al
Queda came a Lemurian boy as we said the
angels of God we're going up and going
down in a sham needs of all of the next
verse says that God was hovering there
above via amara nice adanya Charlotte
Avraham Aviva I'm ashamed the God of
Abraham your father ok it's called god
of Isaac arthashastra hella hot in our
lives are aha the Lana you're sleeping
on is a land i'm going to give to you
and to your progeny now looking around
at the Midrash trim and a different
portion on this opium I came across a
few different things which at first are
of course perplexing as we start to look
to see it from a broader perspective we
start to see that there's a theme that's
running through the statements of orcas
Oliver sages in regards to this salaam
regards to this ladder what it
represents so it has also a few
different ideas that seem to be
disparate ideas that don't really work
together one shot in the Sula month on
this ladder is that it's a
representation somehow of the bay some
English to the temple that point of
connection between God and man the place
where man brings carbone's the
sacrifices connect /em receives nevarez
use prophecy some of the sulam
represents that place another
explanation of our cazale is that it
represents heart scene I place where the
Jewish people receive the Torah the
place where the Jewish people receive
that revelation to the entire Jewish
nation
of God that God revealed himself and
commanded them to keep the missus the
commitments that we have another
representation is that has i'll put it
is that it corresponds to the goalies to
the for exiles through which the Jewish
people would have to pass throughout
their history including till today so
the first question that I want to really
ask is are these indeed disparate ideas
that they completely different shot him
or are they part of a greater whole
which if we look at it from above we can
see indeed that there's a concept or a
thread that binds all these ideas so
we'll get back to this question but
another question at the point that's
important to understand is that there's
a message that says that vinay Malcolm
allocate malajila Kim oil in the arden
boy that the pasta the verse reference
is the fact that there were angels that
were going up and down what were these
angels that were going up and down
there's from shot and different
understandings but one of them which I
found to be most interesting to me is
that these angels who were the angels so
the manager says that these angels were
actually angels that we've met before
there were angels that had come to
Abraham in order to be macera to give
him the news that he was going to have a
child and then as we've spoken about
they went on to Saddam to destroy sue
dome now there was something that
happened there in sue diamond with these
angels that they said something which
actually caused them to get stuck in
limbo and they were unable to return up
to heaven the measure says that the
language they used there was something
wrong with what they said is that hidden
umashree sim they told load as they were
trying to get him out of there they said
we are destroying this location we're
destroying these cities and therefore
you need to come out of you need to run
away and because they said we are
destroying so there was something there
was a tie non them there was a problem
with what they said and they were stuck
in limbo they were unable to go back up
now there's two different shot into
different understandings as to what the
problem was one understanding is that
they revealed a secret they weren't
supposed to say that they were supposed
to bring him out and he was perhaps
supposed to figure out on his own that
this was something that God was doing
they were revealing something which was
more information that he was meant to
know but the other shot the other
understanding is that in fact by saying
we are destroying they were taking some
credit for
something which God Himself was doing
they were expressing some kind of egging
kite some separateness from God the
malakins angels of God are not supposed
to express anything like they're doing
anything they're not supposed to make it
look like they're involved they are just
messengers doing the will of Hashem
doing the bidding of God and therefore
they're supposed to just say here we are
we're doing God's will this is a God is
doing they're not supposed to say
anything that makes it sound like they
were doing it now the result of this was
that since they expressed some kind of
selfishness or some kind of self they
had that they they spoke about
themselves as being ones destroying as a
result of that so they were in limo for
138 years from that time until through
the time that you talk was born which
was a year later 60 years later was
Jacob was born and then 77 years later
this story occurs where Yaakov is
running off to Coron to go and meet his
wives leia and rockville now so for 138
years they were not able to ascend back
up to heaven at this very point when the
verse says he named Alec Alec came oil
and yarden boy they were able to indeed
ascend then then they were sent right
back down on a new mission which was to
accompany yakko of intercompany Jacob as
he would go off to her on and as he
would begin building the Jewish people
now as I was reading this measures the
thing that bothered me the thing I
needed to understand was that how could
it be that they would say something how
could my Lachlan angels they don't have
any bahira they don't have free choice
so how could it be that they said
something that expressed some kind of
separation from a scheme' there they're
doing their own thing not in conjunction
with God or not directly that that God
is the one who's doing it what's the
meaning of that what's the idea of an
angel which does something like that how
does that occur also an important point
is that if we look at what they said to
Adam of you know to Abraham when they
came to announce the fact that he's
going to have a child so they also said
something which makes it sound like they
were doing it this said Valmer this is
actually back in chapter 18 verse 10
Valmer and he said notice it's singular
should eschew bailiff of case hyah I
will return to you at this time in a
vain misarista you're going to have a
so he made it Santa the angel made it
sound like he was the one doing it
what's the difference as regards to that
we don't see that has all said they were
punished that they had to be in limbo
438 years in regards to statement with
lote we see that indeed they were in
limbo 438 years also what needs
explanation is so if they were indeed in
limbo because of something that they
said to load why over here what what
freed them what allowed them to be able
to indeed ascend and in to descend once
again and be able to accompany yaakov of
you know to accompany Jacob one more
question on this point of the measures
why indeed is it that these malakim the
malacca me who had gone to destroy sudan
they were the ones who would return here
in order to accompany Yaakov as he went
out to Horan what's the significance of
that idea so there's one more point in
this opium which I believe is a key or
the foundation for for us to be able to
understand the questions we've already
asked and that's in the second verse
which we ready national needs of all of
the verse says that God was hovering
over it or hovering over him by a
mì-runach annika album of euclid and
then he said i'ma shine the God of
Abraham your father and Isaac etc so the
question is what does it mean a Shem was
hovering over it or over him so in the
magistrate says the two different
possibilities as to what Hashem as it
were was hovering over either a sham was
hovering over the Salam over at the top
of this ladder or another possible shot
is that a sham was hovering over Jacob
now one of the explanations which I saw
be I believe in the ribbon of a high is
that Hashem was showing him something
Shem wanted him to understand that
although there are mala him although
there are angels were rising and
ascending who are going to accompany him
sham wanted him to understand that these
angels are not don't be mistaken don't
believe that the angels are the ones who
are helping him understand that on top
of everything the root the source of
everything shem is at the top of the
ladder as it were Hashem is the one who
is the root source the one instructing
all of
malakan really it's a sham who is
watching over him directly so that also
could be the understanding of the second
understanding where a Shem was hovering
over Jacob it seems really both are true
it seems like a shame is at the top the
latter far away directing things from
far away but the truth is that a Shem is
on the bottom where Yaakov is where
Jacob is instructing and directing
everything from right there from Yaakov
directly connected to Yaakov now let's
look back for a moment at one of the
questions that we ask we said that why
was it that these angels had been
punished 138 years why was what did they
say wrong with load and I was thinking
you know what they said wrong they spoke
about themselves in the plural we are
destroying we are destroying that's the
difference between how they spoke with
load and with with Abraham we are
destroying this place of Saddam so there
was a plurality in their statement as
opposed to with Abraham they spoke in
the singular they said I am going to
return and the singular always is much
more representative clearly about
College Park lavash am himself a shamans
the one the only one who is behind
everything I am a noisy schirmer first
masalas i am now why indeed did they
speak differently and what does it mean
that as a result of that 138 years they
were in Lambo and I think that the
understanding is that when they were
with Avraham Avram was a human being who
had developed the awareness of the unity
of a Shem and everything that he did he
was just trying to manifest a Shem in
the world Manifesta Shems will in the
world while it's true that load had
learned a lot from being with Avraham
aveeno with being a bday brahim all the
time nevertheless there was still a
duality there was still a selfishness
even when he did this kindness and this
is my own idea but perhaps part of that
was he was just doing it to feel good
about himself this is what's done this
is the right thing we spoke about last
week this is what i learned from Abraham
but it wasn't pure wasn't for the sake
of the myth so he wasn't doing the fest
the kindness for the sake of the
kindness you see that there was
something wrong clearly with lote and
his approach in the fact that he was
ready to test
raw his daughters to the wind so to
speak in order to be able to continue
doing his hotness us or him what he
perceived as the midst of the kindness
that he was involved in he was ready to
throw out throw away his daughters let
those men all take it take them and
ravage them in order to ulta to hold on
to his Mitzvah that they not do anything
to his guests and that shows very true
lack of perspective in load now the
result is that the way that we behave
when we have a lack of humility when we
have a lack of understanding with Shems
unity we have a lack of the Sh'ma of
doing things for the right reasons so
that affects the world spiritually that
affects the way that the Angels
themselves will manifest in the world
and so when they speak to load they
speak with a duality they speak we are
going to be destroying this place they
separate themselves from a Shem as a
result of that the very spirituality
itself as a manifest in the world no
longer openly shows that a Shem is there
Shem is doing it and I think that that's
the shot at the understanding of what it
means for 138 years these moluccan we're
in limbo that means that for 138 years
as a result of loads action as a result
of the way that he behaved in the world
Shems revelation the world was limited
it wasn't openly manifest and these
angels couldn't do their job for 138
years now when are they able to return
to their job they're able to return to
their job with yaakov avena with Jacob
as he's going to build the Jewish people
as he's going at the behest of his
parents of keyboard ova aim following
the the will of Hashem is he understood
it as he's going out there to go into
the Gullah sin to the exile in order to
redeem the sparks to be able to begin
the Jewish people to have those 11
tribes was 11 sons who would be born
outside of Israel the 12th which was
Benjamin was born as he came back but as
he's going to do that as he's fulfilling
the will of Hashem so he is openly
making manifest once again in the world
that Hashem is one nana shem is the one
who is behind all the spiritual forces
and that's represented in the Sula
that's represented in the ladder and in
fact the the the angels are rising and
ascending here but a sham is needs of
all of Hashem is the one who is on top
he's the one who's on top of the ladder
but he's also on top of Jacob meaning
because of jacob's actions because of
jacob's approach to the world because
yak of aveeno is manifesting as gems one
is in the world so the spiritual realms
also one can see through Yaakov as a
result of Yaakov spiritual level the
spiritual realms themselves also
manifest that one is and they also
reflect that a Shem is the one that's
doing everything that shines behind
everything and so the angels that had
gone out to saddam to destroy so dome
who had been affected by lote as it were
they are now coming back and they're
able to manifest are able to do their
job properly because of a Yaakov oven
because a Jacob is doing his job
properly so that's the first point that
we see in this whole idea that the
Madras remar speaking about the first
point is that the mala him the spiritual
realms themselves all of that is
affected by us by how we behave how much
we bring a Shem into the world even
though I Shem interacts with us which is
through his malakan through his angels
the the way that he manifests in the
world is more unified when we are more
lachemann we are doing things for the
correct reasons when we are more focused
on a shams will and there's one more
point that I that I believe that we see
here that's powerful which goes back to
the original questions that we asked we
wanted to understand what does it mean
when the measures says that the the
sulam the ladder represents the base on
Macduff it represents our scene I it
represents the all of these different
the goalie is the Exiles and also why is
it indeed that he's having this vision
now of these maulana these angels and i
think that what we see here is that
there's a this is a transition point
Yaakov avene was 77 years old and he's
about to go and to build the Jewish
people he's about to find his the women
Leia and sauron villa and Zilpah were
going to mother the the twelve tribes of
the Jewish people and
this is a great transition when I was
thinking about it in terms of like a
caterpillar as it's about to go through
a metamorphosis and become a butterfly
or a frog as it's about to go through
its metamorphosis from a tadpole to from
being a fish with gills to now become
this new entity which is a frog which
breathes in the air yeah covino is also
going through a metamorphosis and that's
this point he's about to enter into the
metamorphosis stage whenever we enter
into a metamorphosis stage a transition
place a transition point whether it's in
time or whether it's in space so there's
an open revelation of a Shem in that
place when Yahoo perceives this dream
it's not a coincidence that it's a dream
in a dream state that also is like a
connection between the physical realm
and the spiritual realms huzzah say that
sleep is one sixtieth of death when a
person passes on so he enters back into
the spiritual realms so when a person is
sleeping he is in touch in some way it's
a transition place yeah covino in that
transition way of being in sleep he
experiences an EVO a prophecy which lets
him access a higher realm and he's able
to see the the spiritual beings who
represent Hashem who represent who are
the messengers of a sham as it were in
this world he's able to see them because
in that transition moment in that time
of metamorphosis is about to go through
that transition state so he experiences
a revelation of a Shem because that's
where it happens think about a woman
giving birth bringing a new life into
the world it's also that kind of
transition and Anna Shem being revealed
there's nothing more miraculous in than
being witness to a birth that's
unbelievable it's an unbelievable
experience it's a similar idea a sham
reveals himself here the the sulem
represents this transition between the
heavens and the earth as the verse says
is heinous uma moots of arts of racial
gasps Jemima it's a transition the
latter brings a person from one place to
another from from a lower realm to a
higher realm it's standing on the earth
but the top of it reaches all way to the
heavens so Yaakov is transitioning and
he's experiencing Hashem and open a
manifest way that's the best oh my gosh
the base image of the temple is a place
of transition between this world and the
next that's hard seen I that experience
of claw at Mount Sinai was one of
transition also it was a moment of birth
of metamorphosis of the slave nation
into into a nation which would represent
a sham in the world the gully is the
exiles are also represented by the sulam
because they are also a transition the
Jewish people go through their exiles
and that transforms them that gives them
a chance to somehow bring God more into
the world yeah covino is also bringing
God more into the world and if we look
back at the the Saddam the story of
Saddam that was a moment in time of
transition these Malakal appeared then
because Hashem was manifest in the world
through the transition and they again
appear here because a Shem is manifest
in the world at the moment at the point
of transition now to tie the two points
together we have the idea that at a
moment of transition a Shem is manifest
in the world we also have the idea that
the degree that a shame is manifest the
degree that the spiritual realms reveal
that there's a unity of a Shem that's
behind everything is according to the
way that we behave is according to how
we are manifesting or trying to bring a
Shems will into the world the power of a
yaku of you know of an avril lavigne oh
is that they are able to do it in a way
which hashem is completely revealed and
indeed what's the continuation of the
verses the continuation of the verses is
a sham promises and that he's going to
have a Land of Israel the Land of Israel
is that transition that in space between
the upper world and the lower world
rights as well as we spoken about the
Land of Israel is the colonel is the at
the aspect that includes the entire
world and so I Shem is promising that
the blessings are going to come through
Yaakov are going to come through Jacob
the blessings are going to come into the
world through him and he's going to have
a land of it Israel which is that point
of connection the blessings are also the
idea of connection between what God
wants to bring the bounty God wants to
bring into the world but it happens
because of the commitment of a yaku
aveeno of a commitment of the Jewish
people to doing a Shems will of being of
manifesting the unity of a Shem in the
world
through their humility through their
willingness to do God's will come what
may whether it's in an exile whether
it's in the darkest places or whether
it's in back in a Chiefs trail back in
the land where our Shem is openly
manifest I want to bless you and please
bless me back a Shem should help us to
be able to learn this idea to be able to
to express this idea in our lives of
serving a Shem of trying to recognize
that everything ultimately comes from
Hashem anything that were able to
accomplish in the world should help us
to see that it's ultimately it is him
and to the degree that we're able to see
that that's how much I xem will be
revealed in our lives and through us
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