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Ari Goldwag - Pesach - Ecstatic vs Measured Spirituality
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What is the connection between Pesach and Succos? Why do they both occur in the middle of the month? What is the difference between the respective mitzvos of each holiday? Why does Succos involve a lot of movement, while Pesach seems to be more static? Why does Shmini Atzeres come immediately after Succos, while Shavuos is 50 days after Pesach? What is the character of each of these months - Nissan and Tishrei? Why do we have a seder on Pesach, but not on Succos? Find out in this week's parsha podcast.
Featuring:Ari Goldwag
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you're listening to the weekly para
podcast recorded with hashem's never
running assistance in ra Israel 5776
2016 this week we don't have a par
because we have the holiday of Passover
of pesak so this week and also next week
for those who are in karts outside of
Israel we are going to be reading
readings that have to do with the
concept of Passover of pesak itself so
what I'd like to do is I'd like to share
with you some thoughts about pesak and
hopefully we'll have something that we
can take with us through the holiday
something that will inspire us it's
important to note as we look at the
Jewish calendar as we look at the
holidays that we go through everything
is set up in such a way that it's very
orderly there's a very clear structure
to what's going on and the structure
very much has to do with the fact that
there are six months and six months we
have 12 months in a year generally
sometimes we have a 13th month not for
our discussion right now but generally
speaking we have six months that go from
Nissan through through the end of L and
then we have TI
through the end of Adar so these six
months parallel each other so Nissan is
the month that we're in now it's the
month of PES of Passover Tish is the
month that we'll be in in six months
from now which is the month when we have
the holidays of R and sukus the g tells
us in in a number of different places
that we have a connection between the
holiday of pesak and the holiday of
sukus and that connection the way that
it's described is as a a connection we
have the same word in the context of
Passover as in the context of sukus in
the Torah in the description within the
Torah and that is the word the 15th
because both of these holidays occur on
the 15th of the month that's very
significant because the 15th of the
month is the very middle of the lunar
month and in the middle of the lunar
month the the moon is full and so that
expresses the idea or that brings out
the fact that in the middle of the month
the spiritual Realms that we experience
the the world that we experience
reflects
at the in the most possible way just
like the Moon is reflecting fully what
it can reflect of the Sun's light so to
we are reflecting the spiritual Realms
so it's significant that sukus and pesak
both occur in the middle of the month on
the 15th and it's significant that
they're connected through this passage
way so to speak through this word these
words of the 15th of the
month now in thinking about the
comparison between sukus and pesak so
these two holidays because they're
connected in this way by the Torah and
because of the fact that that we find
them in the middle of the first month of
these two six month series means that we
can look at them through this connection
and we can say that there are some kind
of parallel there are many different
parallels but I want to focus in on one
specific parallel which has to do with
the Mitzvah themselves the particular
Commandments that we find in each of
these holidays on sukus the Commandments
that we have are the Commandment to
build and walk into our Suka to live our
lives within that Su to eat there to
sleep there Etc and we also have the
Mitzvah of L we have the Commandment to
to bring these four different species to
shake them in the in the different
directions there's a lot of movement a
lot of motion we also have the fact that
on sukus we go around the beima we
surround it we walk around with our lul
and Asim we also do this action on on
the eighth day of sukus and we we walk
around the the Bea with the sa Tor We
Dance Etc so we see that when it comes
to sukus there's a lot of action on our
part there's a lot of movement we're
building that Suka we're walking into
that Suka we're shaking that Lula we're
dancing with the Torah a lot of movement
but when it comes to pesak it's very
interesting because the mitzah of
Passover involve eating they involve yes
there's an action that we do but after
we take that action we eat this food
it's consumed and it's gone when we
finish with the the lul and the asog
it's still there it's still it's not
consumed what's the significance of the
fact that there's so much motion around
the holiday of sukus there's so much
movement but when it comes to Passover
there's almost like a a stopping of
movement that's the way it seems it
seems like we're not moving so much also
very interesting is the fact that we
find that when it comes to sukus so we
have this special e8th day which is
called and there's a medish which I've
quoted in the past that talks about the
fact that
really sh the eth day of sukus should
have been 50 days later just like we
count 50 days from the second day of
Passover until sh when we receive the
Torah and then we have a separate
holiday of sh 50 days later on the sixth
day of of San so too it should have been
that way in regards to suus we should
have had a holiday 50 days later on the
sixth day of kiss but that's not what we
do in fact what we do is that we have it
on the eighth day we have it immediately
we have that Eighth Day
thater is also called
it's a day of stopping after we've gone
through a certain process we stop that's
why it's called atas what is the
significance of the fact that we have
the eth day where we dance with the
Torah so it's clearly all about the
Torah what is the significance of the
fact that it's immediate as opposed to
on Pak where we have aneras as well 50
days later we sit and we learn the Torah
and but that's happening 50 days later
why is it indeed that it takes more time
to get there also significant why
do we dance with the Torah there's this
movement like we said in regards to suus
there's movement there's dancing there's
shaking there's building but when it
comes to Shu the way that we encounter
the Torah is not with a dance but rather
it's with sitting all night and studying
the Torah and preparing ourselves to
receive the Torah but it seems like in a
more passive way what's the
understanding of this contrast between
sukus and PES between shes and Shu
another thing that's worth thinking
about is the fact that we find that on
sukus there's no seder on pesak we have
a Seder we sit down with our children we
tell the whole story of of The Exodus
from Egypt and we have a whole process
and we give it over to our kids but on
sukus there's not really such a process
what's the difference why on sukus is it
not as focused on giving over on M the
giving over the tradition to our
children but on pesak it is indeed
what's the understanding of that so to
begin to understand what's going on I'd
like to share with you the idea that
there are two different modes of service
of Hashem or said differently there are
two different modes of our experience of
spirituality of godliness of our
relationship with Hashem one possible
way of experiencing that is a more
ecstatic way it's where we we work
ourselves up we dance we sing and we
have really an awesome experience of the
spiritual realm perhaps or of our
relationship with hasem or our
relationship with others that's one way
and that's one mode of service of hasm
and that's something that we see in
theic World more it's something that we
see that people certain people indeed
need to have that kind of relationship
with Hashem or there or relationship to
spirituality but there's another mode
and that mode is through more is is a
more thoughtful mode it's a more
measured mode it's more metered mode and
in that mode in the second mode so the
person develops his relationship with
Hashem or his relationship with
spirituality or his relationship with
Torah in a more measured way in a
building way in a slower way way it's
not as ecstatic it's not as awesome it's
not as inspirational but it it's
something that lasts longer it's
something that's a little bit deeper in
a certain way each one of them has their
Mila each one of them has their
advantage sometimes a person needs
inspiration but sometimes the person
needs to settle down in order to receive
that more measured and calm so to speak
relationship with Hashem and I think
that if we look at the difference
between sukus which is in Tish the
beginning of the year which is the fall
so that time of year things are more
dark our connection to hasem is not as
open it's not as obvious everything is
starting to you know all of the plants
they're not opening up like it is in the
spring in the spring everything is
Manifest there's much more light it's
warmer everything about the spring is
much more open much more connected and
that's a reflection in the Physical
Realm of what's going on in the
spiritual Realms in the fall however
everything is much darker everything is
much cooler things are moving into a
different mode they're moving into the
winter mode
and so in that place in that space when
we're in that darkness when we're in
that place where we don't openly see
Hashem as much so in that place we need
more movement we need more motion we
need to do something greater to
experience a revelation to experience
inspiration to experience a connection
to Hashem and in that space also because
of the fact that it's darker because of
the fact that it's colder so to speak so
it's much easier to to lose it so it's
something that has to be done quickly
you have to run and jump and and dance
with the Torah you have to shake that
lul up you have to move you have to
build that Suka you have to get get
yourself moving in order to have a
relationship with Hashem when we get to
the spring however because the light is
much more prevalent because it's much
more obvious because it's much more
available so it's something which if I
take too much I will be overwhelmed with
it I need to take it in a much more
measured way in a more metered way and
not only is it something which I must do
but it's something that I have an
opportunity to do to slow down because
there's so much light it's an
opportunity for me to receive it in a
much deeper way now what's interesting
is one of the minhagim that we have one
of the Customs that the Jewish people
has is that we save our Lula and esrog
from all the way from sukus we save it
and we include the lul esog in the
burning of the when we burn that when we
burn all all the leav stuff so we get
rid of that so we only are eating matah
all we have in our houses is matah
there's no bread left there's not a
crumb left in our homes what's the
significance of the fact that part of
the burning one of the things that we
use to Kindle the burning of the Kates
is indeed the lul andas and the other
things that are the components of the
arinum that which we shook six months
ago or in this case in this in our year
because it's a leap year seven months
ago so the simple explanation is that we
want to use one Mitzvah to help us do
another mitzvah
but I think that there's another deeper
idea here that's going on and that is
that there are two different modes of
serving Hashem which are reflected in
two different times of year and we can
say it's reflected in the different
types of people within CLA Isel but the
two different modes are one is an
ecstatic greater inspired service of
Hashem that involves movement that
involves dancing that involves song as
we had it sukus
suku it's a time of Greater Joy but it's
a time when we need Greater Joy we need
greater inspiration we need that extra
movement in order to feel connected to
hasm as we go into the winter months but
as we get to PES there's a different
mode when we get to Nissan when we get
to the spring there's a different mode
because the light is more available
because access to Hashem is more obvious
and we can't stay in that mode we need
to in a certain sense burn up that mode
we need to take the lul and the esog and
we need to put it in the fire with thees
because the represents a certain level
of ego it represents a certain level of
neediness on the part of our emotional
selves our animal selves and that is for
that food for that thick bread which
represents the represents that you know
the leavening in the bread represents
our our evil inclination our animal
desires when it comes to P we need to
come down from even from that
inspiration that you know when we're
inspired when we're dancing so there's a
movement there's an involvement of our
physical selves in ourem in our service
of God and that's important and that's
one mode of being that's one one mode of
serving Hashem but there's another mode
and so in this when we're in this time
we need to give up that mode in a
certain sense we need to burn that mode
and we need to move into the new mode
the new modality which is where we are
serving hasem in a in a more quiet place
in a more meter Place more measured
place where we're eliminating the ego
that's not something that we can stay in
all the time that's not a mode that's
for all the time but it's for now it's
where we are at this time it's where we
are when we come to PES when we come to
Passover when we come to n when we come
to the spring because to receive this
great light is something that has to be
done in a more measured way and that is
why when it comes to shmin we have to
have that that ecstatic day that
receiving of the Torah that dancing with
the Torah has to be immediate because we
have to hold on to it before we lose it
it's something which only comes it's
inspired and then that's it it's dark
again but in our time in the time of the
spring and the times of pesak of Nissan
so the inspiration is something which is
open it's more more manifest and so we
have this time where we get to build up
to receive it and so we have the
counting of the Omare we don't have to
have that ecstatic day immediately
because the light is here it's readily
available but we still need to make
ourselves in a measured way we count One
Day 2 Day 3 day four 5 6 7 one week and
then we count again we count slowly up
to receiving the Torah and even when we
receive the Torah it's not in this
massive dancing ecstatic form but rather
and sitting learning the Torah receiving
the Torah in in a more passive way in a
more metered way and with less ego you
know on sukus there's no P there's no we
don't sit and talk about in The Exodus
from Egypt but what we do do is that we
represent we we behave in a way which is
spiritual and that's something that our
children you know when you see something
ecstatic inspiring so you know you're
inspired it's something that sticks with
you it's something that makes an
impression so yes we are indeed
interacting with our kids we are indeed
giving them something inspiring but it's
in a different it's a different way it's
a more inspired way perhaps but it's not
something that's metered and measured
when we get to PES when we get to
Passover we're slowing down we're
sitting down we're taking the time just
like on sh we stay up all night to study
the Torah we we take the time so too on
PES we say up all night to take the time
to talk about this amazing experience
that we had but we looking at it in a
more measured way and with less ego with
less inspiration perhaps with less
ecstatic type of interaction with God
but it's a different mode it's different
way of teaching the mitz of suus involve
motion involve movement involve building
involve dancing so there's that motion
but on P the Mitzvah involves something
which is consuming I'm eating up this
food I am I'm eating the matah I'm it's
becoming part of me it's it's something
which has less movement less motion and
it becomes absorbed into me there's much
more of an incorporation of the actual
Mitzvah itself into myself on a physical
level what's interesting is that in the
Torah when it talks about the month of
Nissan it tells us and it's the first
mids of the Torah it
says this is your month clel this month
the month of Nissan is your month do you
want to know how the Jewish people
survived throughout Millennia of
persecution of difficulties of Holocaust
of inquisitions Etc how did we survive
it's through the fact that we had this
measured this ability to stay in a
measured mode in a meter mode you know
we have a setback we move forward slowly
we we have an inspiration we move
forward slowly we receive it we work
through the process here we are clel the
Jewish people still exists after 3,300
years of History really more 3,700 years
of History here we still are why because
we've absorbed the message of Nissan the
message of Nissan is take it one step at
a time one day at a time we counting one
day at a time and then a week at a time
from PES until sh that's how you receive
the Torah that's how you remain as a
nation and that's why we give over we
have a sedor where we sit down with our
children this is the time of m a
tradition we give it over to our
children we show them that this is
something which requires a measured
approach we have to do this slowly we
have to do this properly we have to take
it and we have to receive it in order to
receive it we need to do it in this
specific way in the mode of Nissan CL
Isel has returned to the land of Israel
in our times unbelievable miracle and
how did we get here through perseverance
through constantly remembering every
single
day God returned to Jerusalem our focus
our prayers always to Jerusalem it's
just metered and measured slow
willingness come back return return to
Israel return to the land of Israel that
all occurs in this time between pesak
and we have this recognition of the fact
that here we are back in Israel back in
our land because of the patience that we
had for so many thousands of years and
remembering throughout this time and
giving over to our
children every single year we say next
year in Jerusalem it's going to be it's
going to be soon and as we remember that
as we give that over to our children we
need to realize we need to remember we
need to incorporate into ourselves that
how does this occur how do we return to
Israel it's through the mode of Nissan
it's through the mode of patience it's
through the mode of sitting doing the
work going through the process and then
we return that's how we
get don't we don't say this year in
Jerusalem because we recognize that it's
next year that it's through the process
of what we're going to go through over
the next 12 months that we're going to
move closer and closer
to Jerusalem to returning to Israel I
want to bless you and please bless me
back hasem should help us to incorporate
to absorb the message of Nissan the
message of the idea that we are in a
process and in order to receive the
amazing light of redemption that Hashem
wants to give us we need to go through
that process we need to receive it and
it's a step at a time yes it starts 6
months earlier or 7 months earlier in
Tish with that inspiration but the way
that we ultimately truly receive it is
through the metered and measured process
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