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Bitachon 15 - Too Much Effort
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We discuss the concept of 'too much hishtadlus-effort' - which the Alter sees as the mistake of Yosef. We also try to understand why it was so important for Yosef to suffer for another two years in jail - being that he was to be the king, and also in order that he not lose his exalted level of bitachon.
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learn we talk on the same way listening
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group the altar of Navarre Tech speaks
at length about the power of a group the
Hibou raha Goya he calls it when you
have a group of people even though we
all live in in different situations
socially good people around us for
Hashem good Jewish communities but
there's a difference between living
amongst people who are living the ideals
of be talkin of Tristana kodesh Umberto
who are believing that coach Moore who
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help seeking out his guidance as opposed
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together listening to a shear is good
it's significant it's important it's
essential
helps us think about it helps us be
aware of it
working on it together as a group is a
completely different place different
space I felt it when we had that group
going and I would like it to start up
again now I'd like to get back in here
we had we had taken a little bit of a
break from the actual chapter would be
talking and we had spoken about the
concept of manuka serenity etc so now I
want to get back in here he's talking
about notice a facade that he talked
about the harem and the Talmud the
person who thinks he's already wise the
way that he does things everything is
already you know what I do is already
good alright that's the Hotham but the
Thomas Holcomb knows that the ways that
he's going may or may not be correct and
sometimes he'll make a mistake and I
learned from his mistakes right so he's
talking about the fact that yo savate
Sadiq he said it twice he said remember
me don't forget me so the first time it
was a mistake the second time already he
reinforced the mistaken became a way of
going and for that reason you know safe
at Sadiq
lost his level of beat up and lost his
connection to Akash Miroku and ended up
in jail for another two years now we see
it as a punishment but the truth is that
it's just it's kind of a natural
repercussions
a natural and natural consequence of the
fact that his baton was lacking and I
could have swore who the only way that
he would be able to get out of there was
would be with full faith in Hashem full
be taught him that that very deep in
high level so he continues became the
holy son Shakti mataira
lo you on your mom and bad smite you
know let's go let's go back to beginning
of this paragraph but soon Navin I had a
lock out on being Kim's a car Tania
Lovato vanished a poem we can understand
the big difference between saying it one
time versus two times keep his heart Ani
I reached in here I hate all Derrick
Micra the first time you said it so it
was it was a mistake him a massager it
goes so high so avoid it means sweet
talk and he really had a very high level
of be talking question see no Rachel aha
aha ahaaa schemata Erin Nell had a sign
on right when it came to going to find
his brothers he knew that they were
ready to kill him
parish Rosh Hashanah Marshall Ayres from
all of Roberts an argon when he
approached
this man who knew his brothers warmer
and he has somewhere where are they and
he said they've gone to sign on so Rashi
tells us that he made them all he made
it
yosef aware the fact that they were
looking to kill him because it's Hollow
column nevertheless he went to them
miserable trying to cause a panic over
sure you know I tell son has ABI never
but he was very strong in his trust in a
college bar who he's trusting God that
nobody can caused him damage nothing can
happen against God's will well abruzzo
very everything is in the control of a
Shem the Creator but him Liepaja clock a
whole lot Helene therefore he wasn't
afraid at all and he went to them they
came holy son Shakti material how your
mind bad swing when it came to any
challenge of fulfilling the Torah he
didn't trust in himself a lot Asaf
commits a satire he did whatever the
Tyrus said very clearly very
specifically when she automates
asia's pretty fair to vat Oliveira
displace a big boy like he did when the
wife of Potiphar tried to get him to sin
with her she grabbed his clothing me at
Vienna say it's a hoot see right
immediately he ran outside but like
butter how cut like him I've been his
son he didn't he didn't trust himself
that like you know he could stay inside
and he wouldn't give in to her
temptations and I borrow Masha Maharaja
he he did a powerful act to run out of
that place she had taken off his clothes
so it was an embarrassing moment for him
obviously but he did it anyway because
he felt that that was only way to get
away from her
he showed that he was interested in
action when it came to the Torah wants
okay neither she yo shav asana basis
sire so therefore after he was there he
resided in the jail for ten years so boy
I love his dominance Kasia bellavia's
dumbest when the opportunity arose oh
hey league on Cain Layla Nutella Todd
his dumb no see he should not have lost
the opportunity when he had an
opportunity Kela yo-yo like Klum bill T
richest a beret the opportunity here
wasn't an opportunity to ask the guy to
get him out the opportunity here was to
completely trust that Coolidge for who's
going to do it for him because share
your subordinate circle his dominance as
ice and when Hashem wants
so he's not gonna miss out the chance so
I had sarcolemma so the reddish
Douglass's ice he should have run away
from this effort you shouldn't have put
in any efforts here okay it's very
interesting because the altar is
explaining us according to his sheet
according to his understanding that when
a person puts an inch toddlers when a
person puts in efforts in order to get a
spiritual attainment or a physical
attainment whatever it is so it takes
away from his belief on a coalition who
takes away from his faith that Akhilesh
work who is going to do it for him as we
mentioned and as the altar brings down
even the sheet of the harvest olive of
us even according to the opinion of the
heavy syllabic who holds that we are
supposed to do if that was supposed to
put in efforts not supposed to depend on
an ace on a miracle but the heavy saliva
is according to his opinion it's still
absolutely true and necessary that we
completely believe that the results have
nothing to do with us that the efforts
that we have put in are incidental it's
for a side reason that we have to put in
efforts but the the efforts themselves
do not produce the results so kodesh
poor who is doing it right but the
author himself holds that no putting in
any effort is is going to detract from
my faith in a collage for who the
spiritual subservience I have to
Akhilesh miroku the surrender that I
surrendered to Hashem knowing that he's
going to take care of me that is the
spiritual power that I have to get the
things that I need because I could who
wants to give it to me when I completely
trust in him that that can be lost when
were either estados the names comes out
sugar on Rakim is a car Tania via scart
Ani that when Yosef at Sadiq said
remember me remember me I hate God I
would be talking was a tremendous sin in
his be talkin interesting uses word sin
where hey it also means missing the mark
right he was headed in a certain
direction with his be talking he was on
a straight path and he veered off he
lost it the Shaheed shell Kim's the car
Tanya recién and the sin of the first
one the the the off the mark of the
first time in keel a high-enough Khosla
she asked arise the atomic Micra it
could be he just said you know remember
try to remember me and mention me to
Paro so that's one thing if you just
said it along the way it's because your
armor Pam Cheney's
second time he said it nice car Thani
and you should remember me mention me
bhai silly
I forgot his dances Harvard Lakshmi min
have has car Thani but miss reaction
killing the hits of sushi as do I say
right he didn't need to mention in a
second time he should have not mentioned
in the second time and show that the
first time was just happenstance that
wasn't the real thing but by imagining a
second time he made a new path for
himself
he's obviously a haber there has come of
a clot to shatter Kukoc there was a
decision in the second statement which
meant this is how I'm gonna go I'm going
to go with her studless instead of
completely trusting in a Kaddish for
whole variety of operation Leo Marella
Kim Jakarta Eagle VAD and the proof is
that when I came to this the first time
he just said remember me
the like super like a lot / he didn't
tell a whole story didn't mention a
whole whole description of events of
what had gone on how much a nice Iraqi
gongoon aganetha made save him he went
he went all out with his status he said
I was stolen from the land of the
Hebrews and it was unjust that was
accused unjustly and it up here against
you no it's not fair
she kept a myrational use every derek
maker didn't say that the first time
because the first time it was just no in
the conversational of a famish a nice
community this year such else's eyes the
second time so he had decided already
to make this Dallas to make that effort
he should inculcate Atlas and he
completed his ish doubtless by
mentioning the whole sob story the whole
sad story of what had happened with
name's Anna nosh
for this reason he was punished and he
was left in jail for another two years
the youkali a shyness termination date
on him and it has an amazing thing this
is such an important idea that the
punishment was for two reasons - issued
certainly I smell it
the first is that yosef at Sadiq is is
going to be the king
it's going to be the leader of the
Jewish people the leader of the
Egyptians
well certainly is like Darth mr. Guevara
a king a leader has to have a much
higher path mushiya do I sure AM L of
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then a king needs to have to severe
taurus hospital one of them needs to be
always next damn he has to keep it with
him at all times but should surf yay so
the crab it's Fila a king also has to
bend more in his prayers initially sure
is nassos because he has more of a
highness he is our higher level he is
above all the other people he is a
leader in circle of shiftless
such a person needs a deeper level of
humility which causes a like I say just
say I'm Elath came and shook our shoe
ben azzai kiev that are say just say
that once the king has begun his prayers
once he boughs he boughs the entire time
throughout the entire prayers as opposed
to what we do we bow during Morgana run
twice we bow my Tim at the beginning in
the end he would bow the entire time to
show his subservience to a college
Markel his he's working on his ego and
ok mr. Schock Elena might be Irish
agriculture laissez once he passed the
beginning he doesn't get up until he
finishes his entire prayer Ciccone shoo
gotta be a certain ela hash blossom yes
sir whoever is greater has to be more on
a deeper level of subservience turkish
broccoli and certainly has paternity I
saw Sean Missoula saying and therefore
he has to have a deeper level of be
talkin it's an amazing thing what is the
idea of be talking according to what
he's saying here he's saying that the
idea of be talkin is I completely
recognize that everything that I have is
a coach for who I completely know that
every single thing that I accomplished
in the world could have spur who if I'm
going to get out of this jail yes if
it's a dick if he's gonna get out of the
jail it's gonna be because Hashem
decided that that's a certain level of
humility that's absolutely necessary in
order for me to become the king in order
form to rise to that great level of his
gnosis of leadership of being raised
above other people has to be a certain
not a certain a very high level of
humility and so that's also true for
each and every one of us you know to the
degree that we have a leadership
capacity whether it's a small leadership
is around our families our children our
wives spouses whether it's amongst other
people in our community probably still
at large
whatever our position to the degree that
we are miss na say we are higher than
others in the hierarchy
so we have to have a deeper level of
humility and one of the ways again this
humility is the author is saying is to
be toughen be talking says it's not me
it's not me it's not me but I'd says the
after another thing McNish modulus amico
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at a very high level will be talking
previously okay and Robert has see the
fish more about Akashi Lahav semi-matte
Ragosa Shamu is doing him a favor in a
certain sense because that Kabul did not
want him to lose his level of betoken he
wasn't very high and deep level of trust
in Hashem now he's trusting in this
person very trusting in the Sara mask
him you're gonna fall from your level to
be talking I want you to remain attached
to me a customer who we sing to Yosef
Lulu know how your master initial
station am but out of hate if you
wouldn't if he would have come out there
right away and you want to stay in jail
for another two years
enjoy you tell you black sharkish not
loose say oh you know he could have
fought he could have made a mistake to
think that his efforts had helped him
and then he would wrap roses shell Kim
Sahar tiny Brown shades me miss assume
it was that request indeed that allowed
him to get out
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cart Sonny he would have come to a new
understanding of the way to go in the
world he would have thought that you
need to put in extra efforts because
look it worked
that's what I did that's what it
affected the the result that I was
looking for okay so it's very important
it was important for a Yusef exotic in
order to remain his exalted level of
connection to others produce observance
to a customer who surrendered to a sham
be talk on trust and faith on Kotaku
that he not come out in order that he
maintained that high level thanks for
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