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The debate takes place between two
personalities. Arnold Twinby was a
famous British historian. Cambridge
University did not like Jews, did not
like Israel. And Dr. Jacob Herzuk was
ambassador of Israel to Canada, a
scholar, a rabbi, a very educated man.
He debates to about Israel. Twinby
claims that Jews are not a nation.
Judaism is a culture. Why? You have
Russian Jews. You have Italian Jews. You
have American Jews. You have French
Jews. We belong to all nations. We're
not a nation. We're a culture. We're a
religion. Jacob Herzuk asks him, "What
is a nation? Give me an example." He
says, "The Italians are a nation. The
Greeks are a nation. The Jews aren't a
nation. The Jews are all over the
place." Herzel responds, "The nucleus of
ideas is developing a little And he
says, "Imagine three Olympic airplanes
land. One lands in Athens in Greece." An
old man comes out. The man in the
airport greets him and says, "What's
your name?" And the old man says, "My
name is Socrates." And the man in the
airport says, "What brings you to
Athens?" He says, "What brings me to
Athens?" Says, "My city." Says, "My
country. Take me to the Acropolis." He
says, "Acropolis for $7.50. I can take
you to the remnants of the Acropolis."
He says, "Take me to Zeus." Says, "We
don't worship at Zeus anymore." He says,
"What do you worship?" Says, "We have
the Greek Orthodox church." What's the
Greek Orthodox church? He starts
explaining to him about the church,
which of course develops centuries after
Sac. He says, "You mean when the people
hear the word Greece, they don't
tremble?" He says, "No." They cry.
Socrates says, "Why aren't you speaking
the language of ancient Greek?" He says,
"We don't speak that language anymore."
Socrates says, "Get me out of this
place. This is not my ethics." Another
airplane lands in Rome. Statesman comes
out. Somebody from the airport comes up
to greet him, says, "Welcome to Rome.
What is your name?" Man says, "My name
is Julius Caesar." He says, "Ah, from
the Caesar salad." He says, "You
I can kill you for that." Julius is
Caesar, the Caesar of Rome. How is Rome
doing? How is the Roman Empire doing?
Roman Empire, there hasn't been a Roman
Empire in 1500 years thanks to your
friend Constantine. He says, "So what is
Rome?" He says, "It's a city." "A city?
Where in Italy?" "What's Italy?"
"Itality is a member of NATO. Take me to
my gladiator." He says, "For $8, I can
show you the remnants." He said, "Now
people still frightened from the word
Rome." He says, "No." He said, "What are
we famous for?" He says, "Pizza and
pasta." "Just take me to Venice." He
says, "We don't worship Venice. What do
you worship?" He says, "We have the
Vatican." He said, "What the hell is the
Vatican?" A third airplane lands in
Bengurian airport in Tel Aviv. An old
man comes out. Somebody in the airport
comes up and greets him and says two
words to him. Shalom. And he responds,
"Ah, shalom." He looks at the old man
and he says, "Mashima, what is your
name?" The old man says, "My name is
Moshe." And what is your name? says,
"Come on, Moshe. I'm also Moshe." Moshe
says, "I'm starving. I haven't eaten in
a few thousand years. Do they have any
food in Israel? Need kosher?" They have
kosher. He says, "Kosher. They have
every type of kosher." Wow. Moshe hears
a sword. He says, "Watch this." He takes
a man in his little classroom and
there's a teacher and the teacher is
speaking to his little children to his
students and he asked the students,
"Open up their wh open up the Torah of
the Bible. And he says, "Pead after me."
And they repeat after him these words in
the Torah. Adhar. And God spoke to Moses
saying, "And two large hot pearls that
we call tears stream down the cheeks of
Moses as he observes this phenomenon in
the Israeli classroom. Dr. Herzock turns
to Dr. Join me at McGill University at
this debate and he says doctor join me
if Socrates or Julius Caesar come back
today to Greece or to Italy to Athens to
throne. What will they find? Not the
same language, not the same culture, not
the same values, not the same god, not
the same faith, not the same traditions,
not the same heritage, not the same
culture. All that remains is the
geographical s. And yet you call them a
nation. Moses comes back today to the
holy land Israel. What will he discover?
The same language, same traditions, the
same gods, the same, the same exact sis,
the same Torah, the same, the same god,
the same philosophy, the same values.
And yet you don't call that the nation.
Dr. Twinbby, if Israel is not a nation,
what is a nation? And to his credit, Dr.
Twinbby looked at Dr.