Are Scabs & Rings a Chatzitzah For Netilas Yadayim, and How Much of the Hand Do You Need To Wash

Okay, good morning everyone. Shalom aleichem, baruch haba'im. We're continuing in Mishnah Berurah, daf hashavua. We're up to siman kuf sameach aleph, seif gimmel. Let's say you wear rings. Let's say you're a ring wearer. Seif gimmel, tzarich lehasir et hataba'at me'al yadcha besha'at netilat yada'im. You need to remove the rings from on your hand when you wash netilat yada'im. Va'afilu hu rafui, even if it's loose. Va'afilu ein makpid alav besha'at netilah. Even if you're not makpid on it while you're washing. Hol umakpid alav besha'at asiyat melachah she'einah tanuf, since you would be makpid if [clears throat] you were doing melachah, you wouldn't want it to get dirty. In other words, let's say you're not makpid to remove a ring normally when you wash your hands. Why should you be makpid? The ring is just getting clean. But if you're makpid to remove a ring when you're doing melachah so it doesn't get dirty, then you would have to remove it for netilat yada'im. So the Mechaber, quoting the Hagahot Ashri, says you have to remove a ring. The Rama adds in the Beit Yosef, it's interesting the Rama is adding on the Mechaber from the Beit Yosef, even if it's loose, and even if you're not makpid besha'at netilah. Venahagu ketzat lehakel umarufai, we're noheg to be lenient somewhat if it's loose. Aval yesh leha'achmir, but you should be makpid ki einanu beki'in eizeh mikreh rafui. We're not beki'in what's called loose, what's called tight. For those who are learning Yoreh De'ah, siman kuf hey, the Rama frequently will say we're not beki'in what's kochesh and what's shamen, and therefore, we have to answer all cases. So, in a similar vein, the Rama says, "Well, fundamentally, if it's loose, you should be able to keep it on for the netilat yadaim, but we're not bekiim what's loose and what is uh tight." Says the Mishnah Berurah, "Haser tabas why mishum chatzitzah?" Now, the Derech Shulchan brings the following issue. The Gemara says in Sukkah regarding the tilas lulav, that if you're ma'aged a lulav with something that's not me min ha'lulav, it's not a chatzitzah, because the eged is made lenoi. Anything for noi is not a chatzitzah. So, why here is a tabas, which is made lenoi, a chatzitzah? You hear the question? I don't. I never heard such a question, such a not good question before. >> Noi of the mitzvah. >> Yeah? >> No, that's not it, but the >> Yeah. >> The eged is part of the The eged is part of the mitzvah. >> Yeah, I agree. In other words, if it's a noi for the chef to show mitzvah, it's not a hefsek. But here, you're the ring is not a noi for the netilat yadaim cup. It's a It's a noi for your hand. Yeah, that's that's what Rav Vosner brings. I don't even understand the question. Rav Vosner says, "Hadvarim tzrichim biur." No, "In hadvarim tzrichim biur." That's You could drive a double truck through the chelek between those two cases. What? I I the question to begin with. Yeah. >> The kind of [laughter] your hand so that the hand itself is like rinse away. >> No, that's like drosh but that's not the you know the what the the lulav is the lulav is a chef to show mitzvah. So you can't have a chef to between your hands and the lulav. So anything which is or or making the lulav more beautiful is not a chef to say. Okay, so in this case you have to clean your hands. What's the chef to show mitzvah by the netilat yadayim? Not your hands. Is it the cup? Is it the water? Or is there no chef to show mitzvah? >> Is there a discussion by lulav that removing rings for a lulav? >> Yeah, there is. There is. Uh there is a discussion. Um and it's preferable to Yes, you should remove your rings for a lulav. But it's not as essential because it's not like you can't have a It's not the same in you know chef to say. Um what what um what pink house was saying regarding your hands becoming chef to show mitzvah you have a similar idea by tefillin or tallis where the Adam becomes a chef to show mitzvah. That's because he's being tied with it or or um he's you're tying it around the person so the person is in the sala. I am the bearer of halacha. Okay. writer Even though the water reaches the hand because the ring is Cuz we're not the key in what's called loose. >> Cuz we're not be keen what's called loose. Over the avid also learn a till a rough over the avid, if the ring is loose, it will work. The who shall shall follow over this last Provided that you poured one of these at one time, come I shall come solve the common the cinnamon come some of this of test. The shower You're mac with at the time. Oh, my scale of rain in the dark the issue should I have to have to have Only for a woman who would remove a ring at the time of luck, which is a time of kneading. I will issue in dark of luck below the shots of luck of a man who he doesn't usually remove his ring during when he's working. Okay, and dark of luck men don't need. Yeah, men have no business kneading dough. And so I saw I saw it doesn't have to remove it when he is night of your love. I feel in a raffle even if it's not loose cuz he's not mac been. So, this din of removing rings is only for women not for men. Not for men. One second. What is this? Page 26. Mhm. Come some of Oh. So, again, for a woman who normally removes her rings when matter to remove it at the time of Malacha, he ain't a little lush. You don't have to remove it at the time of Natela, even if it's not loose. Rock him yesh by even toy. But if he has a precious stone that typically a man would remove even for washing. Shula is lucky man I am then Aussie Shula semi sham pizza. So a man's ring if there he has a stone on it. If let's say he's like um a governor of a of a river. And you know, he needs a ring with a a big stone on it. So he has to remove it for Natela but stam a regular ring a man would not have to remove for Natela I am. Says the same so far, even if this guy would remove his ring for it or for love. He doesn't have to remove it for Natela because the reason he's removing it for it or love is just is not because he's mad it's just to make room. However, a moisture writes that he doesn't understand the same so far. Because if a ring would not be for it or for love, why would he remove it for those things? >> [snorts] >> Okay, now What if somebody is in Harlem? And they have to wash until she dying. Very common case. A woman is in Harlem and she has to wash until she dying. So, but she doesn't want to take off her ring cuz if she takes off her ring then somebody may may make off with the ring. Or even at a a she Someone's in a shady spot. They're afraid to take off the ring. Somebody might steal it. So, the Kafa Hayyim has a very interesting eitza brought in Derech Shul note 33. What do you do? First, pour a revi'is of mayim on your hand. And while the water is still on your hand, toife'ah min asah toife'ah, meaning your hand is still wet, move the ring up and down and then pour another revi'is. This way the netilah will work even if you don't remove the ring. This is a eitza of how to wash until she dying in Harlem. So, the Kafa Hayyim or or in some other place where you afraid somebody might steal >> your ring. >> Okay. So, I guess the way it's working is you pour a revi'is there. Now, you're getting the whole area wet. So, then in the second pouring, even if the water doesn't get there, but it will touch that water and be metayehr that water. That's the eitza of the Kafa Hayyim. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Um Now, I do have to go back. I we I didn't do the Rama on Simcha Beis. It's very important. Sorry. The Rama on Simcha Beis says, "Gilday makah she'al yadov im einay makpid alav einan chotz'tzin." A scab that's [snorts] on your hand, if you're not makpid, it's not a chatzitza. But, what exactly is this? Gilday makah says the Mishna Berurah, "Hainu re'ah hayotze'im min hamakah umisyabeish venaseh glid." The bodily fluid that comes out of a wound that dries and becomes a scab. If you're not mac but it's not a the age of a partial do shin is rapa. Some say no, it's a boil that healed the arm and the mala and skin grew above it the age of all of Gilda and it has some kind of scab to it. If you like but if you're not mac but I see you have a dove to remove from your hand and they should be starving and it hurts. >> [snorts] >> So if you're not mac but to remove it cuz it hurts, it's not a chichat. But if you would be mac but sometime for a mikvah a woman you know has the scabs scraped off a little bit. But it depends if it's painful then it's not a chichat. If it's not painful and very exterior they try to get it off a little bit. Okay, some valid. She >> ring different in terms of it's is that definitely a mirror? Um >> Cuz you're >> Why isn't that like me earlier me and me and my less and I don't know something confusing that I love over there. >> No, because here it says you are mac but this is assuming you're mac but cuz you wouldn't you wouldn't do work. >> work with it. >> This is me at a ring is me at or mac but if you would not be mac but let's say a man is not mac but to remove his hand so then it's not a chichat. That's that's what the same surface says that for a man a ring is me at the inner mac but some valid shin and the dying what how much of the hand do you have to wash? Call higher the whole hand at a corner shows the royal until the segment of the arm. Meaning including the wrist. The Aish Oin Rin Ad Makom Chibur Ha'etzba'os L'chaf Hayad. Some say to where the fingers attach to the hand. So, the first de'ah is the Rif. The second de'ah is the Rosh. V'ro'i L'noig K'd'as Rishon, you should be noig like the first de'ah. Sometimes you see people they wash their hands and they think it's like the Mayim Chaim Tahorim, that as long as it touches a little spot on their hand then it's uh then it's effective. You have to make sure the whole hand gets wet. Okay. Um Sif Chaf Ad Ha'kona writes to learn Sof Pisas Hayad, until the end of the segment of the hand. Makom Chibur Hayad V'hakona which is the place where the hand attaches to the arm. V'ro'i L'noig K'd'as Rishon after Meedinah Mishina K'dei Shnei In Mychin Miyadai, even though fundamentally, if somebody wanted to be lenient like the second opinion, like the Rosh, we wouldn't throw rotten tomatoes at him. We wouldn't be Moicheh. D'chol Safek M'd'oraisa D'aim L'kula, we're always we're lenient when there's a Safek. It is Ro'i to be Machmir like the Shita of the Rif that you have to wash your whole hands. V'chein Noigin Ha'olam, that is the Minhag Ha'olam. Sefer Atzei Almoigim in the Sefer Atzei Almoigim that's a good one. That many Gedolei Rishonim hold like the Rif. V'yeish Omrim L'hachmir B'zeh She'yeish B'cheifah Not To Be Linient. I'in Sham V'i'in B'be'er Halacha. By the way, the Be'er Halacha says the lashon of the Machaber is mashma that mitzad hadin you could be makel like the second de'ah. In other words, me'ikar hadin, who do we pasken like? The second de'ah. The words "veroei linoyeg kedas harishon" imply that me'ikar hadin, you don't have to wash your whole hand. It's just roei to be noyeg that way, but not that that's the required because who holds like the second opinion besides the Rosh? Rashi, Tosafos, the Rosh, many Rishonim. Only lechatchila roei linoyeg kedas harishon, which is the Rif. Why? Cuz it's not a big deal. It's lav milta detrichu. So just be yotzei all the opinions. However, says the Chofetz Chaim, in my humble opinion, you could question the decision of the Machaber that the ikar halacha is like the second opinion. Cuz even though the Beis Yosef says that we don't have a clear indication what the Rambam holds, the Maymar Mordechai writes that the Rambam holds like the Rif. And therefore, even though the Machaber says that me'ikar hadin we hold like the Rosh and the Tosafos and Tosafos, but the Rambam, according to the Maymar Mordechai, and look at the end of the Beer Halacha, but the the Rif and the Rabbeinu Chananel and the Rambam and the Orach and the Smag and the Rashba kulam ke'ein bechad shitta leha'achmir. Also from the Yerushalmi mashma. Vegam bazeh mashma vadai yesh acharonim mitzad hadin not roei linoyeg. >> [snorts] >> And the Beer Halacha concludes that nowadays that the minhag olam is to go like the first de'ah, not as a chumra, but me'ikar hadin, you need you should try to wash her. Because if you're yet something. It's very likely you're going to be missing part of your hand. Now by the way. What about a >> [snorts] >> that eats on Yom Kippur Tisha B'Av? Should you wash your whole hand? So I would say according to the no you shouldn't wash your whole hand. We hold like. We hold like the uh. The. Rush. That you don't have to wash your whole hand. So how could you allow to push off of the hitsa? But according to the that may you have to wash. Your entire hand that maybe you should the deer shoe says that the says. That you should wash your whole hand. >> [snorts] >> Interesting. >> Also who said who said this is for this is not for not for like for the wash the whole hand. >> Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter why. >> It's not hitsa. >> It is it is hitsa. If you don't have to wash it it's hitsa. >> [snorts] >> We go let's say we go like. Um. And and and the rush it's definitely hitsa. And even according to the other opinion it's still hitsa it's just hitsa for a different reason. It is because the wash because they have to do the either. >> Okay so that's it's >> No it's just they >> have no choice. The tahara, that's what they have to do on Yom Kippur. But you don't have to eat on you're not supposed to eat on Yom Kippur. Anyway, if the hand is dirty, then even according to Rashi, Tosafos, and the Rosh, you would have to wash your whole hand. Okay, that concludes siman kuf sameach aleph. Pick it up tomorrow in siman kuf sameach bet. >> Recording stopped.