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From Bocarone, Florida, this is Behind
the Beimma. On this episode, the rabbis
are joined by a true hero of the Jewish
people, an elite commando in the IDF's
legendary unit 669, whose face and name
must remain redacted for his ongoing
security. Known to us only as Guy, he is
a sergeant major, a combat paramedic,
and the author of a powerful new book,
The Rescue, October 7th, Through the
Eyes of Israel's top rescue commandos.
Guy shares his remarkable journey from
an aspiring doctor to a member of one of
the IDF's four elite units. details the
grueling physical and psychological
training designed to create soldiers who
can rescue anyone, anywhere, under any
conditions. And he offers a rare inside
look at the mindset, resilience, and
nerves of steel required to be part of
the worldrenowned unit 669. All this and
more behind the beimma. Welcome back to
Behind the Beimma. We're so excited to
be coming to you from our brand new
studio. And the very first guest we have
in our studio, in our formal setup, is a
real hero of ours, someone we admire
enormously. And as you can tell, his
face is blocked out. You can't see his
identity. And we won't be able to use
his last name because the Israeli
government uh has redacted his name and
his face as an elite commando, a member
of the 669 unit, a real hero of the
Jewish people in previous wars and whose
uh skill set will still be needed is
somebody who can't be revealed and
visible to the public. But we couldn't
be more excited, guy, that you're here
with us in studio for this conversation
to hear your story, your background, and
to talk about what's happening now in
Israel and this war. Thank you so much
for going behind the beamer with us.
Thank you so much for having me. Really,
really excited to be here. I hope uh now
my face is blanked out. So, you can see
how excited I am, right? See, but we can
see. But we can see and we appreciate it
very much. So, guy is a sergeant major,
IDF unit 669. And uh this new book came
out uh called The Rescue October 7th
through the eyes of Israel's par rescue
commandos. Uh this isn't your first
book, but this is the first one that's
been translated into English. So much to
talk about. Tell us about that first
book and how viral it went, how popular
it became in Israel and why. But maybe
take a step back. First thing, tell our
audience who don't know what is unit
669.
669 is one of the four elite units.
Mostly known are the Shayet 13, the Navy
Seals, the Seat Matal forever will be
known for Antbe Rescue. Sheldag is the
air force commando and we are the
smaller younger sister. But my opinion
not objective is we have the best job.
Our job is to be able to reach, rescue
and evacuate while treating medically
wise anyone anywhere whether it's air,
sea or land. Why I'm saying that?
Because obviously in the army our duty
is to evacuate and treat extract
casualties from combat. Um pilots
ejecting their planes but over the years
669 also got the responsibility as coast
guard for Israel hikers when they get
caught in places that um civilian forces
can arrive there or uh humanitarian u
missions many of them over the years. So
that's the mission and that's what we do
247. So you're combining several
expertise. You have to be able to
medically treat and evacuate, but do it
under fire, exchanging fire, taking out
enemy and terrorists and trained to do
it, like you said, in all these
environments. So, what's the training to
be a member of 669? Is like a Navy Seal?
Are they doing that underwater? I mean,
you're doing it in all these
environments. You have to be in crazy
shape, be able to have nerves of steel.
What's the training for? And this is
also like a real elite unit. It's not
like the elite units that my kids are
in, which are not part of the four elite
units. We we joke and we shouldn't joke
obviously during a war time but before
wartime we used to joke everyone you
meet in Israel everybody elite unit says
yeah but this is a legit elite this is
the legit elite unit everybody is tell
us about that training what that's like
so uh I I I wanted to be a doctor in the
army there was that's I went through
biology in high school I did um my major
in um health science I really wanted to
be a doctor I went to mand do
volunteering but I didn't get enough of
my essay 80s that's uh I was like 100 I
was so far away and then I kind of you
know okay what do I do with this and
then I a teenager didn't really
understand how it works so I saw just
unit 669 well it's like doctors you know
that's what I thought and eventually I
went to the tryyous it's multiple stage
you start one day thousands of kids
arrive teenagers and for the last two
years also uh female it's not only men
and then after if you pass that there's
a one week grueling one either with the
Navy Seals or with matkal on both
tryyouts. There's instructor today
instructor from 669. We uh try to
allocate teenagers we think have what it
what it takes and then for a year and a
half of training depends what year it is
but usually it's about a year and a half
of training and then like you said you
start becoming a soldier then a medic
then it's um commando and special forces
and all that warfare and then it's the
most exciting part when it's about the
rescue part because then you do all the
cool stuff. Now, it may look really cool
as like, you know, what's bad jumping
out of helicopters in the ocean and
parachuting and repelling out of
mountains, but you do it with kind of
gear on you in the middle of the night.
You didn't sleep for a week. It's It
makes you hate anything that is extreme.
I hate scuba diving. I I mean, I really
hate NOA. My My wife loves I What is it
to love? You do in the middle of the
night. It's like all pressure. And I was
sent after that year and a half uh for
additional year as a paramedic. uh
training in Mandavid Dome and after
almost three years of training I came
back to the unit to serve as a combat
paramedic. So walk us through a little
bit of that training. You you spoke
about it in broad terms but what were
some of the most challenging parts not
just physically but mentally obviously
part of the goal of these training
programs is to push you and every time
you think you hit a limit to push you
beyond that limit. So what are some
experiences that you had that showed you
that you're much more capable of things
than you thought you were? So one of the
main methods to train um in any kind of
of army facility but especially in 669
is the uncertainty because that's the
nature of the mission and different and
that's a bit of the world of of of
special forces or or special ops. It's
how does it work? It's a lot of training
for a very precise moment that you're
going to sometimes months even a year
you train for one thing to happen and
you're just trying to make the the place
for a mistake and you're trying to
shrink it right to make it become
precise and it just in 69 it works the
other way around. you have a siren and
then you get the mission, right? So for
what we do, it's a year and a half of
training for any siren that might come
up. So it's always uncertainty. You
never know when you're going to go to
sleep, when you're going to eat, when
you're going to it's always always you
go by sirens, by surprise, and you
always be caught by surprise. And that's
the main method of resilience because
you're always it's like this phrase in
the unit, always be prepared for
anything. Sounds kind of stupid, right?
What does that mean? That's life, right?
But that's gen you could be in Teln
that's where the unit is based and
you're going to be sleeping in bed. 10
minutes later you're going to find
yourself on a bus on a way to the desert
and for a whole week you're going to be
uh uh just uh running hiding from um
airplanes and and canines in kind of a
survival drill eating for 5 days. And
that's what it is. So the uncertainty is
so big you just get used to it and then
when you become a civilian you just hate
it. That's another thing. But yeah, but
uh is that training trying to get your
nerves so that nothing can phase you? I
mean, we'll get to October 7th and did
you even feel ready and trained for
that? But the goal of the training is
basically that you live this
unpredictable life so there's nothing
you just nothing phases you. You got
nerves to steal. you just find it's
always always like Rabbi Muskwood said
you're always stretching that capability
sense of yourself because like you've
walked for instance on a how do you call
it a maser
there's a word for that but you're
walking for the whole night for 50
kilometers in one night and then you do
one night but then after you discover
you could do it for three nights in a
row so you're always extending that
sense of capability and all it starts
with how much time you could stay
underwater because you have to really
master staying cool underwater because
um marine and ocean rescue it's all
about staying calm. All about staying
calm. It's not being a good swimmer.
It's not about being fast in water. It's
staying calm. So you are being trained
to stay for 2 minutes underwater with no
breath and you know manipulating or
doing something and then you do the same
thing when jumping out of airplane with
parachuting. So it's always about
discovering those limits that we all
have in our heads. After you do it so
many times at some point you master it.
What percentage drop out of about 50%.
So it's about 50. We started 55 guys and
we finished a pretty big cohort. It was
about 32. That's like a lot guys. Why
are those guys dropping out? And it was
who who got it wrong? The guys that
applied for the position and thought
they could do it or the army which
accepted them and said, "Yeah, these
guys are definitely good. They can do
it." It's the army. It would be guys
like me, instructors at the tryyouts.
that our job is to try and it's a ve
it's it's it's a very um elusive kind of
ability to see in a 17-year-old teenager
a capability to become um I'm going to
use a big word but a commando soldier
like how do you re I there's so many
examples of what exactly does it take
and I'll tell you it's not about the
strength teenagers worked in Israel now
the war for instance one of the effects
it has it be it it sky high rating uh uh
um motivation. Never before so many try
out so many candidates at the tryyouts
we never saw such a thing and still as
they're training they think it's all
about muscle right it's not. So if you
looked at the three of us which which
one of us would make it show me your
biceps. No but let me ask you a
different question based on that. If
you're talking to a teenage lady in
Israel who wants to be a member of 669
obviously they have to go running. They
should do push-ups and sit-ups. But what
should they be working on for that which
is invisible? Not the physical part, but
the mental and emotional and spiritual
part. What should they be working on to
be ready? I tell I tell them generally
that I have also because of the the
books uh now in English I get a lot of
emails from teenagers in America before
the um the book in Hebrew. I get a lot
of emails and approaches. I tell them
all to become um youth group counselors.
There's something if there's something
that is very very hard hard to build in
a character. It's not that it doesn't
have to be niva but if they're going to
teach basketball coaches if they're
going to any kind of position that'll
make them stand in front of a group and
take responsibility like a rabbi or a
rabbi. Yeah. For instance. And uh so
it'll build the character which in that
aspect it's very very hard to build
muscle strength run quicker. It's it's
easy. That's easy. The army the army is
really good in building that stuff but
that character is very elusive. Let me
ask a question. We spoke about
resilience and grit and being able to
push yourself mentally beyond what you
thought you were capable of. A lot of
our listeners are probably the three of
us. We're never going to be in sh
combat units.
Goldberg, but for myself. Um, but but
all of us want to learn how to push
ourselves more. All of us feel boxed in
by what we self-perceived limitations.
And part of success in life is learning
to push yourself beyond that. So, what
have you learned through your training
that doesn't require me to go out into a
field and run, you know, 50 km in the
dark, but how can I work on that mental
part of the game? How can I work on
pushing myself and realizing that
whatever limitations I put on myself are
self-imposed and that I'm really capable
of that much more? It's a excellent
question and we're talking we don't want
to do in the middle of the night right
and with no food. So one of this is of
course my opinion and what as a team my
team kind of we discuss a lot is who the
people you surround yourself with and
who you consult with on different
problems. Many times when we have things
in life that we are kind of you know
we're not sure we're capable or we're
like well but it's usually about people
like is the person I need something from
I want to do something with how is he
going to kind of perceive it. So we kind
of discuss inside my team, my cohort of
quarter 42nd of the unit, we kind of
talk about every time that someone wants
to do something, who in the team because
we're like a family, who in the team
we're going to talk about it with. So
who's a person that is kind of give us a
yala like do it a yala and when we look
for that person so it kind of gives you
that that engine that you need and any
one of us in in our life we're
surrounded by so many people, so many
capabilities, so many uh experiences.
It's all about that person that you know
if you come up to him he's going to tell
you
you can do this. Okay. Are are our
enemies being trained in the same way?
Are they better at what they do? Are we
better at what we do? It depends on uh
we're talking about search and rescue.
Yeah. For instance. I mean because it
really differs when you're talking about
militaries in the Middle East because
there are countries neighbors to Israel
for instance that the navy is is is much
bigger vessel wise and but uh but it
depends. It's like a hospital. What
department we're talking about? Search
and rescue 669 is really is really
worldrenowned. We have from different
countries all over the world coming to
train with us. Uh the only ones that
were actually
uh you know what this will stop. No,
we'll take it out in the editing. So,
let me ask you guy. Um this isn't your
first book. Um this one, like I said,
was translated into English and captures
the story of October 7th. And you were
so kind to share it with me and over
Pesak. I I read it from cover to cover
and had to have a box of tissues right
next to me. Sorry. And and we'll talk
about in a moment. It's not just what
you saw in the communities in the south
that you went into the fire that you
took and the friends that you lost. So I
think the most powerful part which was
true when we first met you on a mission
to Israel sitting in an office in Tel
Aviv with our friend Hannah who put it
together and you talked about Noga your
girlfriend at the time and basically her
role in the army and how the two of you
were just whenever you could checking in
over text like are you still alive are
you still alive and that just you know
gives you that sense. We'll come back to
that in a second. Talk about your first
book and why that first book how did you
get into writing? You know you're
interested in medicine you become this
669 elite commando that doesn't
necessarily make you a good writer. How
did you get into writing and what made
you put out this book and how did this
book blow up much bigger than anything
you ever thought? um person that I
generally owe first book is my father.
It was his idea. He put the confidence
in me um that it could become a book. We
started I I'm my the oldest son of my
family and I grew up in a religious
community in near Tiberius
my father asking questions. I'm the
first son. Everything I do is exciting,
right? You know, you have six kids. I
don't I'm not I don't have even kids of
my own but I assume you know at some
point it's like okay another one goes to
school what's a big deal okay and uh so
the first one I I get to leverage all
the excitement on those spec and also
the army the military so my dad kind of
you know he says to me why don't you I'm
telling all you know excited about all
these stuff I done all the the the first
few weeks in boot camp and he says to me
well why don't you write it down is and
he kind of says well so you have
memories he says to me I don't remember
what happened back I need to make up all
these stories so at least you'll
remember something. And I kind of you
know started at the beginning it was
very technical. I was like today the
commander was shouting at me. I was so
embarrassed if it was in like in
civilian life I would have punched him
in the face. But you don't know who this
it's 55 guys. They're like caught
together. We didn't meet each other
before are just thrown into this most
intense environment. You don't even have
10 minutes for yourself a day to talk
with anyone. You don't know these guys.
And you're just running, shooting, uh um
you're marching all night with
stretchers on. That's all you know about
them. We were even uh after 3 months in
in boot camp, we were kind of the first
time we met each other um off the base.
The first regil, the first week
vacation, we're actually kind of, you
know, we suddenly understood we saw each
other either in uniform or naked. never
saw each other, you know, in uh in real
clothes, in real life clothes. I was
like, uh, so it's all this tension about
it and in in it opened up. I was like, I
was on Shir guarding in the night at the
base 2 a.m. and I find myself, you know,
writing in this piece of papers. I was
like, today um I was like, we did this
and that and then I was like, how did I
feel? I was scared. I was tired. I was I
wanted to I wanted to call my girlfriend
back then. just it's suddenly it's a
feeling it's not technicality I just got
addicted to it then you know jumping out
of helicopters crawling in running away
from canines and in caves in the desert
and afterwards after training after the
that period so I would get off the
helicopter and run to my laptop start
typing you know I just need to get it
out of me and I was embarrassed of it
honestly it's like that it's not
something a bunch of dudes the most
toxic macho environment you could
imagine And the guys are either at the
gym or they're eating if they're not on
mission. That's all they do. And or
hitting on girls. That's true. So, so
and then you have this here you are
writing about your feelings. Yeah. I was
like, so I know I didn't tell anyone. I
was like putting a princess diary kind
of stuff, right? But how do I even start
to engage come up with all kinds of, you
know, stock market looking into stuff
like that? And after we got out of the
army and my dad was always my dad was
the only one to read that stuff and he
was like, "God, this is amazing. It's
amazing. I was like, "What's amazing
about it?" He's like, "I don't know.
It's amazing." And I was like, "I
thought he's my father." You know, I I
was so bad in basketball. And he still
said, "Yeah, I'm amazing." Right? He's
never going to say I'm not good at
something. And then um it was a year
before I got out of the of the army. It
was a big pile of papers that made its
way to Yadot. It's a publish biggest
publisher in Israel. I got a phone call
from the CEO there. He said, "I read it
overnight. I want to make a book out of
it. Keep writing." It was like the
middle of the day kind of phone call.
And uh that's what I did. And uh we
never know what siren's going to be
next, what's the mission, and that
that's going to be, you know, and it's
the only book from my knowledge, not
only in Israel, that was written during
service, not afterwards. And when no one
knows what's going to be the next
chapter and when I got out out of the
army, the last day on service, I told my
team, they thought they were like
looking at me, what are you talking
about? This doesn't sound real. Okay,
when it's ready, tell us, give us. And
then I let them also pick their names
because we couldn't have our names
there. So, it's all like internal jokes
and stuff. So, that kind of got them
engaged with it. And uh when it was out,
it just became a huge bestseller. I
didn't believe it. Still until today. I
don't believe my name isn't on it.
Obviously, now I kind of more understand
because of I get a lot of emails from
people and now I kind of understand why
it's uh people feel connected. One is um
teenagers, young Israelis that are
aspiring to get into special forces.
It's a huge part of culture in Israel
and if if you could equivalent to that
in America might be even colleges I
think and you know so teenagers finally
found someone that is talking in their
voice not 10 years later not you know
it's a that's their voice that's their
way of thinking the second part which is
was even more amazing for me was mothers
mothers don't have access to what's
going on with their kids and that period
from 18 till like they get out of the
army every time a mom comes up to and
how how's it going? She feels that she
can't understand what's going on there
and the kids are impatient like I guess
they are how they are. The father's kind
of you know understand they're like yeah
I went through that and that's the kind
of the first time moms you know few moms
of commanders of 669 call me up and said
I've been living that unit for decades
and suddenly I understand why what my
kid is doing there. Her kid is like 40
years old now. Right. Right. That's my
50 cents of I'm trying to understand
why. How viral did it go? How many
copies have been sold in 10 tenth of
thousands? I mean u because it's also
not not that I look at myself as an
author. I never thought about it that
way. But in the marketing aspect it's
very very smart because the um audience
it's every year it changes. It's like
it's always 18 years old always stay 18
years old and they still kind of look
for for that and the mom's the same. So
tremendous. I you mentioned that you
didn't use real names in there. If
you're looking for a name for like the
the the star of the of the of the of the
uh episode, you could use my name. I
don't mind. Yeah. My first name, my last
name. Kind of cool to be a hero in
Israel. That's the closest he's going to
call me. That's the closest I'm getting
there. No, it's I'm very very lucky. And
and I mean at the end it's a story of so
many people. People like 60 years old
looking in. They feel they feel the
same. It's 18. They're they're afraid.
uh uh they're under pressure, they're
missing home, and that's what they see.
It doesn't matter if it's a helicopter,
it doesn't matter if a Jeep, it's it
doesn't it's feelings stay the same at
the end of the day. How did your unit
respond to knowing that you were writing
about their experiences? Did they
appreciate it? Did they It introduced
new sides that they might not have fully
seen or were they a little bit like why
are you telling our story for us? Great
question. So, it's kind of at the
beginning the commander of the unit then
uh came up to him. He he he thought I'm
bluffing him. He's like, "Yeah,
whatever. Do whatever you want." He's
like, "No, no, I'm serious. It's
happening." Yeah. Yeah. I understand.
Okay. And it's like and then he suddenly
understood it it's it serious and then
he was interested in how he's presented
there obviously.
Yeah. You know suddenly and then uh so I
I he read the whole thing and then it it
kind of it you could split it into half.
First half is people that didn't read it
yet. The all you know the guys from the
unit is like you're telling all our
secrets. That's what they think. And
then after they read it they're like
okay now I understand because I'm not
telling secrets. It's all about
emotions. It doesn't matter where
exactly that surprise drill happened or
you know what kind of weapon we use on a
special operation. It doesn't matter. It
matters what the guys there felt. You
know when you see a friend for one of
the rescue missions that we didn't make
it the casualty were supposed to save he
died there. One of our guys was almost
killed there. the whole it it becomes
such a big balagan and I'm scared to
death like maybe we're gonna lose
someone here on on this missionary. So
that's something that people can
understand that that fear deep fear and
it doesn't matter where it's happening.
So that that's mostly um the two half
before and after. So you come out of the
art you come out of the training you
come out of your service. So now you're
in medical school. the kid who didn't do
well enough on the SATs is actually in
medical school and um and you have you
have this girlfriend Noa. How did you
meet? Um there was a friend Nogga's best
friend like really best friend was with
me on paramedic course. She would
drafted in to become a paramedic and we
knew for years and uh I was traveling to
Tulador after the army. I was in
Australia. I got a text message from
Yava that's her name text me how do you
feel about redheads?
And then I was like, "What do what do
you what does that mean?" And uh No, at
that time she just broke up from her
mythological boyfriend for like six
years or so. I don't know. She there
something really long. We don't go into
that. And then she's like, "Yeah, I was
like, I have an idea." That's like six
hours after they broke up or something.
And then she let she gave it some time,
but she was cooking it nice. And then um
she g she tried me out a few months
later. What do you say? My girlfriend's
your friend here is still available. and
and that's how I came to life. Yeah.
Yeah. I think you tell the story in in
in here. Um you're a medical school
Nogga. What's Noga's role in the army?
She is um during the war she is the
commander of a frontline headquarter
headquarters of the par special forces
obviously but the special forces of the
paratroopers. So she is the only female
in the army who does that role. It's
usually um you know ex commanders of of
of uh brigades of the paratroopers and
the command of the paratroopers five
years ago came up to her and and asked
her to do that position. So walk us
through what's going on. You're in
medical school. She's in law school.
Yeah. And um how you can't get more
Jewish than that. Even it's in a
high-tech nation like Israel. It's still
there. Medical school, law school. Both
put in your time. Both did your service.
life should now become graduate school,
get married, white picket fence and all
that and instead October 7th. So take us
take us to the book, take us to the
rescue, take us through obviously you
can't tell us the whole book in this
conversation, but um what what those
first hours and days were October 7th
and some of the things that you had to
do and that you're still doing because I
know you've gone back in and out. Yeah,
so um at 669 generally we do a lot of
reserve duty because it's a such a small
unit. There's no like another units that
do it and we're shifting around. So, as
a combat paramedic, a general, every
year it's about two to three months of
reserve duty. So, it's kind of my life
in some sort of a way. For Noga, it's
different because it's more it's uh
exercising. It's like the big army, the
the army, it's not the air force, it's
not the navy, it's definitely not 669,
it's infantry. That's how you win a war.
Paratroopers are the forces that win a
war. So when they train every few
months, so they're like, you know, on
the Golan Heights, if there's an attack
on Syria, from Lebanon, etc. And but
that's usually usually it's so far away
from our our thinking because it's we
were young generation. We grew up into a
world perhaps that we thought that it it
could never happen to us, right? It's
like we're all about training, you know?
and suddenly October 7th and this is
also one of the things that we
understood as we're working on the book
the guys from the unit and I it's so
hard for us to explain how little we
understood happening it's not it's like
I'll tell you guys today tomorrow
there's going to be an alien invasion
you're never going to be able to imagine
something how does it look green it's
black what that's how we felt we're
driving down South on October 7th. I was
I was just called in
till today. I don't know why they called
me and not someone else and they call me
in. We get into base and to tell North
base. There's two mandatory service
soldiers younger than me that I know.
They're waiting for me. They hand me
over combat gear and they tell me we're
going down south. We're driving down
south. Obviously, it's an airborne unit.
So, I tell them, "What do you mean we're
driving? We're flying." Like, "It's
fast. There's no traffic." And there's
like no there's no pilots, the
helicopters. They're not prepared. We
need to drive. No one really knows
what's going on. And we get into a white
pickup truck, the same one the kamas
were using apparently a Toyota pickup
truck. And we drive down south. And just
so you understand, and it seems now if
I'll tell you this, you'll feel you'll
say that's really stupid of you. But I
was generally drinking coffee, texting
noa. I was like not even on full
uniform. I was like, you know, kind of
miluimnik we call it, right? And and
there was no prep. There's no like let's
get together in the room. Here's where
they are. Here's the mission. Here's
where we're going. Here's because nobody
knew what was going on. Well, the what
we've been told by one of the officers
at the unit that there is been uh kamas
squads that infiltrated Israel. That's a
scenario. We knew tunnels. We knew it
could happen, right? We've been
practicing for that. So, and this is
also talking about the way any person
thinks. And that's in 669 and rescue
missions. It always works that way. We
always apply
prior scenarios, prior patterns of
thinking on new challenges. It's very
hard for us to break out of a box. We
It's not about rescue missions. It's
about human beings. So, as my instinct,
I acknowledge that, right? I try to
apply scenarios I've been training on
this what what we're facing. So, it's
must be a kamas squad that has gone
through a tunnel and popped in the
kibbut. That's what we're thinking as
we're driving salad. The first time we
kind of get slapped in the face and uh
we understand this is something
different than anything we've seen
before is when we reach this point. It's
on the road in the middle of nowhere.
I'm not familiar with the area of Gaza
envelope at that day. Both sides of the
roads there's open fields and casualties
everywhere. Everywhere you look, you see
people lying on the floor screaming for
help. You see people like from a far
away can see someone resuscitating a
body. You can see it's nothing's alive
over there. And I start running around
doing triage, putting tourniquets,
trying to make people useful to like
apply pressure on bleeding and, you
know, trying to make something out of
this huge scenario. I don't even think
what's going on. And until at some point
it crosses my mind in a very intuitive
way that it seems like everybody's
dressed up. Like why is everybody
dressed up and I'm Israeli? So it's like
it seems like they came back from India.
I was like, why? It looks like a party
in India. Like I didn't know it's a Nova
festival. I had no clue that there's a
festival going on. Then we get orders
and as we're in the middle there in the
big still big Bagan to get to Nal and we
are uh we join another team there. Our
mission is to um enter the kibbutz to
liberate the kibbuts and uh there's no
other way to to say it. I mean Hamas
conquered portions of Israeli territory,
Israeli communities that morning. That
was our mission. Of course we have
casualties where um and the whole army
is in chaos. So we were struggling to
understand how can we evacuate the
casualties. At some point one of the
casualties there was a soldier that was
shot in the chest and he I didn't have
any communications, no helicopters,
nothing. So I just put him on a on a
jeep and I told the driver just drive as
fast as you can as you or either you
bump into uh ambulance or to ER just
keep driving. He asked me what what do I
do if he deteriorates? If he loses
conscious, I said you just drive faster.
There's nothing better to do at this
point. And that was a legit method that
morning with many other casualties.
Then after we generally managed to
liberate the we uh get a we get a phone
call with three guys pickup truck and
we're out of medical supply at that
point. We get a phone call from the
deputy commander the the unit. He says
to us to uh make it as fast as we can to
Faza. It's about noon and then still
it's if I cannot emphasize enough
definitely today as we're u doing my
opinion um not such a good job as we're
investigating not because not in the
investigation that perhaps we're doing a
great job but to also understand how
little we when I say we soldiers forces
that were sent down there doing our best
we didn't know we arrived at Faza I
couldn't imagine in my worst
scenarios. I couldn't imagine that
there's actually 300 terrorists holding
buildings, you know, captured that that
kibbutz. It's it's out of my scope that
morning. I think there's a squad.
There's a few casualties. We'll
eliminate them in a few hours. And
there's so many casualties. I'm in the
I'm trying to enter the kibuts of faza
and there's it's like a stream of
casualties. worst terrible wounds of
combat, you know, grenades and and and
gunshots and there's so many coming in.
I'm out of medical equipment. We're
three medics and we're trying trying to
do our best there. Then there's
civilians coming out because soldiers
managed to rescue civilians and then
it's a whole different scenario. Mass
casualty incident of soldiers and then
you have elderlys, children coming out
in the middle of the night. who
generally managed to um gain control of
the kibuts. I thought, you know, this is
the worst. And then we get a phone call.
Deputy commander of the unit says to us,
you feel that you've done what you need
in Karaza because no one really knows
the picture. It's all about what we
decide where we need to be. And he says
to us, make it to Ber. Then we got to
Ber. How long at this point? You've been
awake for how many hours? Yeah. Neaten
in how many hours? you're exchanging
fire and so it's uh I got out of shish
uh where my uh no's parents live it's um
around I think 7:38 around that and uh I
was so stupid the mother made me
sandwiches I left them in the car until
and all I could think of I can't believe
I left it and that's a that's a mistake
I'll never do again and it was like
around 2:00 a.m. First time a United
ambulance comes up, opens door and
there's a big pile of pizzas. Yeah, the
be I don't know where they bought them
for sure. World record the best pizzas
on earth like that. I can tell you for
sure. So I got a slice then we get went
to B. their mission changes and uh our
mission is what we told we need to do is
to look for signs of life
and it's not about running a mass
casualty incident. It's not about uh
engaging combat. It's to look for people
alive whether it's casualties and it's
elderly stuck in their houses or
disabilities. And that's what we did
with drive to keep it slowly in those
paths. This whole time you're not
processing, you're just going. I assume
that's part of your training is to not
allow any emotion, to not allow yourself
to really think, but just to allow the
training to kick in. I'll tell you what,
I want to say yes. The real answer deep
down, no. I think in this point of life,
not I mean 30 years old, it's not like
I've been through whole life, but I
think in as time goes by definitely I
was I had more resilience and that more
ability to stay stiff as a mandatory
service soldier. There's a few moments.
One of them um at the entrance of Faza.
There's a lot of moments, but one of
them I remember till today at the
entrance of Aza is as I'm I'm man I'm
running that mass casualty incident
trying to evacuate casualties. There's
no vehicles, few ambulances of United
Silent. Then suddenly one of the
officers, Eric, comes up to me and he
says to me, um, in a few, he says a few
minutes or in a short while, there's
going to be a truck that comes in with
casualties and, uh, bodies and
they I in the middle of chaos, I was
like, "Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm not
dealing with anything that is not
happening now. Don't talk with me
about." And then that that truck arrives
and there's uh were a few guys from the
unit and we have casualties. We have
children and and civilians that were
still waiting trying to figure out how
we're evacuating from there. We have
also detainees Hamas detainees that we
have in one point it's like big chaos.
And what I'm telling I'm asking the guys
there, well, two guys from 669 is to
take that truck and there's uh whoever
visited Kavaza, there's this line of
trees that goes on the road down to that
yellow gate. Behind the line of trees,
we put all the bodies, of course,
soldiers, civilians, whoever, what
whatever is not alive, we just put
behind those trees. And they asked the
the guys, those two guys from the unit
to take the truck behind and and just so
all the kids here and all the civilians
don't see it and we forget about it and
there's more casualties coming in. And
then I feel like they're gone for hours.
They come up after sudden I I I start
looking for them and they come up. We're
walking up the street back and and they
I see they're pale and they're sweating
like after a marathon and they're not
like kind of looking me in the eyes or
like and I asked them um what's what's
up? I'm even a bit angry. Where are you?
I mean I need you guys here. What are
you doing so long? What took you so
long? Then one of them says to me
he says it was it was terrible. Then I
understand to a dot myself. So what
happened? And he says that there were
pieces of of bodies of he said he
recognized friends of his from officer
academy. And there were like it seemed
for me like hours. All what they were
doing is unloading pieces of bodies of
soldiers. Some of them they knew.
They're young guys from a a truck trying
to hide that from all the people around
there. And that moment
it's more of a moment of emotion. I see
them. I look them in the eyes. I'm I'm
looking I'm trying to search for their
eyes because their eyes are like going
all around. I'm trying to catch them and
then I feel I feel like uh this this uh
um
this I feel I feel tears in my eyes and
kind of choking. I can't allow myself to
choke and keeping myself together, you
know. But that's that's those moments
that the feelings and emotions it so
strong, you know, you can't keep that
mask on. So that's one of those many
moments as one of the first responders
when you when you got down there and you
didn't know what you were coming into
and obviously the people that were
sending you had no idea what was going
on down there.
What did you tell them? Were you like
you guys don't understand? I'm seeing we
got to get the whole army down here
right now. Like like now like maybe you
don't understand. What were they
telling? No, don't worry. Like what were
they telling you? What was the response?
So when we when we were in Akalos in the
middle of uh the kibbut with the first
casualties that arrived and I start
treating them then my phone it's all
about phones WhatsApp was saving the
country because cop nothing was really
working and uh I I work in medical
research that's a med student you know
trying to make a living in Tel Aviv and
uh there's a WhatsApp group and the
institute where I work as a med student
there. So someone's asking everybody
okay where um anyone need help and
someone asks uh guy where are you and
then suddenly because you know it seemed
like everybody is on reserve these days
in but that's not true I mean from where
out of 50 people in that institute were
like three people on reserve and some
people start calling me like at some
point I just say look and then I text on
the WhatsApp group Zazal pel you know
there's nothing ali just start praying.
I mean that's that was the when I first
saw
there were so many corpse on the on the
lawns on the green beautiful lawns of
the kibbutz and most of them were Hamas
terrorists that the the people of the
kibuts give gave a hell of a fight they
defended their homes like heroes I I
cannot express in enough words but when
I saw that first time that that was my
feelings as my late
the book you chronicle like the details
like every second, every terrorist you
shot or you were shot at, each casualty
you evacuated, how you treated them till
you got them on a helicopter. How do you
remember all that afterwards? it all so
vivid in your mind because it was so
so um when we started like initially we
thought to before the war to translate
the book the renowned book about 669
that all the candidates what's the title
me it's from zero to 100 that's kind of
a phrase also at the unit because it
that demonstrates the way the unit works
like you're sitting around hanging out
all of a sudden you're at you're in a
pool you're playing ping pong you're
sleeping and then within 15 minutes. Not
like it 15 minutes by definition. That's
the the orders by the HQ. By 15 minutes
from the siren, you're on the helicopter
no matter what the mission is. So that's
why it's called Memphis. And generally
in after October 7th happened. So, you
know, we're thrown we're thrown into the
war. And we kind of thought maybe, you
know, you can't write anything about
army, Israel, Jewish people without
mentioning October 7th. That's the
killing. And then, but how do you
engage? There's so much there. It's
like, and it's such a a big balagan in
our head. That's like a few months after
the war began. We're we're generally
extracting casualties from Gaza at that
point. in between and trying to figure
out how do I how do I grasp this? where
do I start? And and I tried I tried like
my own kind of uh uh path. And then I
said, well, this is this is not enough.
And I I approached the guys that were
fighting there. Uh one of them that I
woke up in the kibbutz and he he and a
few guys from the kibbutz generally they
saved hundreds of people. one of the
guys from 669 I uh he asked one of the
guys in the helicopter and this is a
this is a combat operator that over the
years he told me you know I'm doing
reserve with them he said that he has a
diary and he likes writing and I know he
was on a helicopter that day and I come
up to him and I say matan what happened
and the guys with me I tell I told him
let's put this together what I found
and I was shocked were three guys three
guys that pickup truck they and We all
remember different parts. There are
hours blacked out of the the m the
younger guys. There's black generally
like they can't remember a thing from
things that you know the most terrible
scenes. They was like no guy that didn't
happen that didn't happen. It's it was
it was almost it could have been so
funny if it wasn't so sad. And the
process process with them of putting it
back together. It was just to watch it I
sometimes reflect from you know outside
like I'm not a part of the scene and I
was like amazed they started crying and
like right right that happened I can't
believe oh my god I it's like it it was
a journey of itself just to put the
stories together and we didn't even it
wasn't an intention to become a new book
but it gave us a reason to go back
there's a whole generation that doesn't
want to go back there thousands of
soldiers died on October 7th and they're
thrown two weeks after the whole new
battle. One of the guys that his story
is in the book, he told me after, this
is his words. I think they're stronger
than anything I'll tell you here today.
He said to me,
"Guy, the reason I don't remember I have
so many blackouts from that those days
is because now he's talking from selfies
22. He says, I've seen war, seen in
Gaza, seen in Lebanon.
I know what war is like. But what we saw
October 7th, 8th, 9th is what I imagined
when I was standing in Ashwitz on a high
school trip. I was standing there and I
was trying to imagine what happened
there. That's what I saw when I was on
the Gaza envelope that day. And I think
in so many ways, I'm not a psychologist,
but it kind of says it all. Sure. We're
not even dealing with that yet. I mean,
there's so much money raised. We went
through our phase of buying the ceramic
bulletproof vests and sending over the
drones and now we're making barbecues
still for soldiers. But the PTSD that
the country is going to suffer, not only
members of 669, that small group of
elite, but the average, you know, even
today I was talking to my family, my
parents, my siblings, my children in
Israel, the Houthis, they're running to
bomb shelters every 5 minutes. My sister
was in the mall with her kids. They
couldn't even find a shelter. And now my
daughter is at my parents for shabas. I
was talking about it could be a very
intimate evening if they all end up in
the show. And I said the thank god the
the ballistic missiles haven't hit. Your
kids are there. Thank god they haven't
hit. Your kids are there. But the trauma
of just living with is the siren going
to go off? Where am I? Where would I go?
And what happens? Waking children, not
waking children middle of the night. So
much more so obviously those who served
on those days. Um, are you seeing that
from your your unit and other people
that you know that there's this growing
untreated trauma that's going to at some
point need to be addressed? I think what
I kind of and and just before we talk
about that, but so unfortunate that the
Hoodies
are very successful. It's not about I
don't think they're even aiming for a
missile to hit Israel. It's about that's
the definition of terror. That is the
definition of terror. people being
afraid and that's their biggest success.
And if we're talking about um clinical
PTSD,
there's a a whole generation. It seems
kind of weird how I'm going to phrase it
because they're 30 years old, but I look
at when I go to the army, it's
everybody's so young. It's like a big
youth group. They're 20. It's a youth
group with guns and responsibility.
They're 20 years old and they have such
an immense my my cousin, he's 22. He
flies an F-15. like that's he's like he
can't drink a maybe can't 22 it's like
and my brother he's an officer in uh Nal
he's a company commander there and on
October 7th he generally I mean when I
look at him I I have tears in my eyes
because he
had to deal with his whole battalion
like half of them were killed there his
commander all his superior everyone was
half of the nal battalion was killed on
October 7th and he there picking up
their bodies, you know, afterwards and
fighting and and and all his friends
because that's those commanders,
officers sometimes, men, many times in
infantry, they're very alone. They're
very alone because they have this
distance from their soldiers. So, their
group is the officers
and so many of them are injured. He sits
here in Tel Aviv. One of them PTSD on a
very very uh severe level. One of them
doesn't have a leg, the other one
doesn't have an eye. It's like that's
it's like it's things we can never
imagine.
And still they're having a beer tail of
laughing about it. He tells me their
jokes about, you know, about the the guy
he got of them got a really nice car
because he doesn't have a leg and now he
says now he's getting all the girls
because dark humor. Dark humor. But you
know what? It's legit, right? Everything
is legit when it comes to developing the
resilience you need to look forward. But
let me let me ask you that same question
from a different angle, which is you and
Noa. So obviously you're engaged at the
time. I think you she's experiencing the
war very different than you are. I'm
sure the things you're seeing, the
things you're experiencing on a
day-to-day basis was very different than
hers. Um, Israelis with like a machismo
attitude aren't necessarily known for
communicating emotions and feelings and
experiences. How do you navigate when
you're seeing something that is so deep
and personal and traumatic? How do you
share that with someone that you love
that you want to get married to? Give
her the space to share her experiences.
How do you develop that commonality?
Because that's something that we hear
all the time from people who are in Mulu
and they come back for Shabas to their
to their wife, to their children, and
they're like, I can't talk about it.
Like my kids would never understand the
experiences I go through and so I keep
it all bottled up to myself. Obviously,
you're very different. You're writing
about it. You're speaking about it. How
did you and Noga come to a place where
you were able to communicate about those
experiences? I'm not any different.
This one,
this this was my way also. So I gave it
to Noga was on my laptop. It was uh
still in Hebrew. And that's when we we
dropped we said forget about translating
from zero to 100. I was like, you know,
it doesn't matter.
And I came up to her and I said, just
please read it.
And as she was reading it, I sat next to
her and I was crying.
I couldn't bring myself to a place to
say this to share with her in my words.
I couldn't. And as you said, I'm I'm not
I'm not the typical macho is really and
still couldn't myself to the most the
closest the closer the person is. Yeah.
So, it's it's even more challenging to
share. And what Noga told me after like
she read it and then she's like
she had kind of she didn't she she
didn't have any words and I was kind of
hurt by that. I was like
don't you have I'm like sobbing and soul
she put my heart on a plate and like she
looks she looks at me and she's like
yeah and then she said something that I
found fascinating. I didn't even think
about it. She says to me, "I just cannot
imagine. It's just too hard for me to
imagine that all I read now is you. I
feel like I I I have to put in a place
like I read a story of someone. I can't
I can't imagine you being fiction.
Fiction. Yeah. So, and it hit me. And
then after the book came out, so I a lot
of guys I know because they shared it
with me. That's what they did. They took
the book, went to the parents, said this
is not me, but this is what went down
there. Wow. So that's another value of
it. You gave people a voice. He gave a
voice. He gave them the ability. And is
this book in the Hebrew also catching on
in Israel? Has it been so wide? It's um
I mean one example I mean of the the
from my feeling I feel so that we're so
lucky the guys and I that wrote it is
and just because we had a reason. That's
the thing. We had a reason we wouldn't
have done it. We would just continue
with life, you know, surviving this
balance between milim and and civilian
life. We're
a year and a half from October 7th. Not
not even, right? A little more. A little
more. More than not even two years.
There's more than a 100 books in Hebrew
about October 7th. More than 100. And
still this is the only book that is
written by soldiers, not testimonies of
victims or journalists. The rest is is
is and and you know it comes back to
that thing
what is the reason you need to cling on
to a reason to go back into those days.
So so yeah it gives a perspective it's
not an easy we were struggling you know
a long time
how we we stick with the truth if we
sugarcoat it we're we're just going to
you know what are we doing? It's it's
worthless. But if we're just gonna make
it a tremendous traumatic read, so we're
also going to lose a reader. We don't
want to torture anyone. So, you're a
brilliant writer because it also doesn't
just grip you, but the drama and and
changing scenes and flashing to what
Noga is doing and what you're doing. The
most powerful parts, as I said, are are
you and Noa checking in on each other.
Maybe you can speak about that. And then
when you talk about, you know, when you
finally do steal a little time together,
collapsing in each other's arms and
falling asleep that way, you're like,
"Wow, you read." Because you could see
the image like two heroic soldiers
risking their lives, not knowing the
other's alive. And when you're reunited,
you just collapse in exhaustion and
gratitude that the other's there and
fall asleep that way. I think there are
a couple scenes like that that you write
like that. So what what was October 7th,
8th, 9th like? this woman of your dreams
that you love that you were so nervous
to propose to in the biblical zoo that
um not knowing like with every soldier
that you're evacuating and not knowing
if they're going to live, you could
picture maybe that's her where she is
and she's doing the same thing, fighting
for her life, wondering what's happening
with Guy right now. So, what were those
days like and how often did you get to
check on each other? So, um,
it's
I kind of discovered a new NOA from
October 7th and on. I think it was also
the same with me because we were
soldiers once. That's how we thought.
And suddenly in an instinct, it came
back. She became more of a commander
than a st spouse or partner. And I just
my team and I we just became soldiers
again. And the girlfriends were like
we're one in each other's tas in Tel
Aviv. We're like the the my my team and
we're and the girlfriends started
talking. They they felt like they lost a
bit of their their their boyfriends or
husbands into that chaos because they
brought up all this with instincts that
we didn't need anymore in life and here
we are soldiers again. And I found for
myself one of the things I I became very
mad at NOA was before a wedding. We were
very looking forward for it and then
suddenly was talking about a wedding,
right? And I became very mad at her and
um I just I couldn't understand why she
she didn't answer my phone calls. every
time she we would call each other as
like talking just kind of reporting more
than talking and sharing and I found
myself very mad. I I barely saw her. And
it took me a while and um until I kind
of understood that that's that anger I'm
feeling is just my very um stupid
immature way of missing her and like the
and and and I think many of these
emotions they kind of evolve and um and
it very hard for me to find a way to put
it through a process that it'll stop
being anger angry at her and more of
expressing how I miss her. She's much
dread in that than me. That's why she's
not angry. She's dismissing. But I'm I'm
a male Israeli typical. So, uh, so yeah,
those are that's one of a lot of
examples of ways that we just need to
understand how to communicate. The 669
called on to rescue people outside of
Israel. If there's a mission happening
in Syria, there's a mission happening
across a border somewhere, a covert
mission, 669 is the one who's going to
evacuate if something goes wrong. 669 is
an integral part of any operation
special as as it goes um that Israeli
army and not even the army conducts
because there's no other rescue. So if
Mossad's doing something in another
country 669's on alert they may be
needed to come in and rescue.
I think we would we'll take it into Shul
and Chabas without them. Got it.
hostages.
One of the tremendous
biggest privileges of serving in 669
during the war is um also of course when
attempts to rescue hostages some of them
successful how we call commander ways
like using military force of course 669
is there but also one of the missions
from the point hostages are returned to
Israel the different rounds hopefully
manov and and if it's on the border with
Gaza or with Egypt from the point they
cross. So there's designated helicopters
from the unit taken the hostages and now
also the family from the crossing point
to designated hospitals around the
country and that's in my opinion and for
us it's a tremendous privilege to be to
be there and witness those moments. Did
you have special training and
preparation for that? Yes, at the
beginning of course like everything and
you know it's we're all trying to figure
out how to do it. So um we were like
ordered to shave and um u military you
know there's like the combat uh um how
do you call it again um clothes and with
the more civil like more the more formal
ones and then no touching no no no
looking and all kinds of instructions
from psychologists
and just to share with you one of those
powerful moments one of the guys from my
team his name is uh Lead and he and his
girlfriend's um fiance they met when we
were in 669 the mandatory service her
name is Mayan
they from O near us and October 7th they
happened not to be there but and but her
all their friends and family you know
got her and many of her friends were
kidnapped and her best friend also was
was going to have been held in Gaza she
was returned few months ago and for and
Mayan was you know just
all she was doing was to try and keep
near Oz above water for a year and a
half. And then after a year and a half,
her best friend was uh on the the deal
to to be returned on the next Shabas.
Her the hostage family asked the
representative from the army that lead
for my team is going to be on that
helicopter.
So she sees uh so she sees a familiar
face
and Lead was on the helicopter. They
took off from the base. He land there
and suddenly kamas playing tricks. Uh
didn't release her. She um and the next
week the same thing. Lead was on the
helicopter. They're waiting and she
finally she she returns.
Then she looks at him and she that's how
he says he spoke to me on the phone the
day day after and he says to me I see
her and she looks at me she says and
what comes out of her mouth is in Arabic
she she she didn't speak Hebrew for such
a long time she she almost forgot to
speak her language and they were hugging
and and she asked to see you know Israel
from above in the helicopter I mean and
but it's so I mean so close
geographically and yet so far away in
the tunnels and dungeons of of this
death cult And and oh, and the last
thing is my um they were engaged for
such a long time, but my aunt said, "I'm
not I'm not getting married until
until they uh my girlfriends are are
back home." And uh I think it was a week
later. So we all knew it was going to
happen, but still she they send out a
save the date in September, this
upcoming September. So such a small
country, such a small nation again. I
mean, I know for us whenever there's a
hostage released a video, the pictures
from the helicopter or they're holding
up a sign now, which has become
traditional is so emotional and so
moving and it makes you feel part of the
Jewish people. I can only imagine what
it was like to to be a part of it.
What's life like for you now? Do you
know when you go back in? I mean, even
in nonwart time, you were saying you're
doing two, three, four months a year.
So, what's life like right now? Could
you be called at any minute? Do you have
set times that you know when your next
reserve duty is going back in? So, um,
my my team now is, uh, we had a wedding
last night and now we're my team is
going down to Gaza and we're on routine
for the combat that's going on there. I
was on emergency call up like all the
way straight through until March. So,
and then the commander of the unit, it
was his um let's say wisdom to say to
the guys on mandatory service, we're not
bringing in reservants. We need to give
them a break otherwise next time we need
them, no one's going to come. So, if we
had now saying that it was like a week
every month, it's not like we
disconnected from the unit, but
beforehands it was a week in a week out
for a long time. And um I was uh I was
supposed to be also called up, but I
spoke with my commanders. They're very
very pro any I mean
they acknowledged that one of my way big
ways to contribute is the book speaking
out loud at any time there's an option.
They're like like you have to do it.
This is you're speaking for us. Come
back. There's going to be enough work,
you And I feel I really feel generally
obligated that if I'm not on reserve
now, I need to do the best I could I can
to convey a story to say it out loud as
much as possible. So this is perhaps
also my additional mission and my vision
but also from my commanders at the unit.
Where where can people get the book?
It's uh Amazon, Barnes & Noble. It's
like online everywhere. So, it's pretty
easy and uh
love for people to uh we put an email
anonymous one at the end of the book so
people could respond or if they want to
leave on Amazon because I'm given a hard
time for the publisher because of the I
can't have my face anywhere and he kind
of you know he says well I they're
amazing but they're called uh wicked sun
post amazing publishers but I given a
hard time and so they told me to swear
anyone I see anyone I meet to ask them
to put a review on Amazon because
they're doing such a uh but anyway It's
this is our voice. This is our
testimony. And uh we voted for years to
come because one day we're going to need
to say this happened so it doesn't
happen again. Guy guy, you're one of the
most impressive people I've ever been
privileged to spend time with. Med
school 669 author. The way you
communicate both facts and feelings is
just it's astounding. His face is
blacked out so they couldn't tell that
he got emotional when he was
just choking. That's what makes coffee.
The only thing is more impressive than
you. He's also good looking.
Um,
you've accomplished so much. Obviously,
you have a story to tell and you're
going to continue to tell it. What are
some of the character traits that you
think your parents gave to you that
you've developed along the way that have
contributed to your success? What are
some things that people can Not everyone
could be in 669. Not everyone can, but
everyone has the capacity, as we said,
to push themselves a little bit more.
What are some character traits that that
you would look to that you think that
have that you've been given and endowed
with that have contributed to your
success? Um, what do you think that
secret sauce is made of?
Um,
one which I owe to the environment I
grew up. I grew up religious in the
environment.
Text was a huge portion of my education
at school at the high school in yeshiva
I studied. They didn't care about math.
They didn't care about English. My
English teacher I speak English because
thanks to my mom. I mean the my English
teacher was a Tunisian uh seven years
old. I asked him once I asked him why
are you teaching English? You're so bad
at it. He was a great guy. He told me
it's the only profession you didn't need
to finish high school to to to get your
certificate in. But two things were
there. One is our educators the rabbis
raim
they every time they would come back
from they would stay with their uniform
for another few days just you know I
like out of fun to set an example. this
is what important this is what this is
what you need to look up to and it
really uh shaped um how I looked second
uh trait I might say my parents um they
we didn't have a TV back home uh now
it's it's hard right now but they we we
pushed books uh into you know like like
it was like it was orange juice my my
father in Hebrew and then my English and
my mother in English and the third thing
it is I received from my parents. We had
a karate club at the community that uh
my my father was the um the master and
very young age he came up to me and he
said guy I want you to teach on your
own. I was like I think ninth grade I
was very afraid from the responsibility.
I know it's also part of the
and I was a lot of pressure I remember
until today I was like I felt if I'm
going to fail I'm going to destroy my
father but talking about a character I
think that is one of the biggest gifts I
got from my parents as a little
responsibility. Absolutely incredible.
Thank you for spending time with us much
more. there aren't words to say thank
you for what you've done and what you do
and what you certainly will continue to
do and your sacrifice and please send
our best to Noga and thank her of course
and uh there there's just no words to
thank you for what you do for AmI not
only in Israel the front lines of Israel
is fighting for all of us around the
world and so it's a privilege to know
you and to spend time with you and I
can't recommend the book highly enough
like I said I read it cover to cover
it's a difficult read not because the
book is difficult to read the book is
brilliantly written It's a difficult
read because it's it's a it's a
eyewitness testimony. It's an insider's
experience and there moments of success
and happiness and moments of devastation
and tragedy and very descriptive and
very dramatic because that is what what
was lived through on October 7th. But it
is a it's a testament. It's a piece of
history and and a modern and
contemporary one. And really um if you
want to understand from the eyes of
those who lived it, I don't think
there's a better a better book to read
right now. So, thank you for sharing it
and giving a voice to all those who
needed to say it. Thank you for giving
us access to it by reading it.