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The strongest anti-bullying tool is a class culture that clearly refuses to accept bullying of any kind. Rabbi Avi Landa gives us a sneak peek in the classroom as he tackles the sensitive topic of bullying, focusing on how words, actions, and even silence can impact others. He highlights how one can respond in healthy, responsible ways and when it’s important to involve adults.. 🎙️ Rabbi Avi Landa Mental Health • Faith & Community Join the Movement. UniteToHeal.com
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Okay, boys. Welcome back to our next
Daru class. So excited to be able to
share this topic with you. Last week, we
began a few weeks ago, we began talking
about the topic of communication, how
important communication skills are,
thinking about different forms of
communication in our lives. Can anybody
think and remember what was the idea
that we brought out as far as
communication is concerned last time we
met? Yeah.
>> Describing something.
>> So sometimes you can use words to
describe something. There was a certain
activity that we used to try to bring
out the idea. Yeah.
>> If you only try to use one type of
communication then it's harder. So only
one type of communication like just
speaking and not using something else
sometimes can be harder to convey that
message to communicate. Anybody remember
something else that we did?
>> Hand motions, language.
>> Hand motions and language. What else?
>> Um drawing.
>> Drawing cuz what was the exercise that
we did?
>> Um like draw a square and talk. So there
were there were pictures and you had to
try to just with your speech describe
what shape and pattern are you seeing on
the screen and everyone had to try to
draw it for themselves to be able to say
like oh and then you hold it up and we
compare did you get it right? Who beca
who came the closest but how difficult
it was when you were only using one form
of communication speech. Whereas if you
could draw, if you could write, if you
could use hand motions, which you
weren't allowed to do. You had to keep
your hands behind your back when you
were describing it last week. If you
could do all these other forms of
communication, you have a lot more
success in conveying your message. And
remember, we ended off with the lesson
that we have to keep in mind. We can use
different forms of communication to make
our points more clearly, but we also
have to keep in mind what communication
are we communicating?
whether we realize it or not by those
other forms of communication. So leaning
way back in your seat or putting your
head like you know these are actually
communicating messages to a rebby to a
teacher to a parent. We have to become
self-aware which was the first unit we
did all about self-awareness. What
messages are we conveying? Are we
communicating to the people in our
lives? I want to move on now this week
to the next unit, the next session in
communication and that is using
communication for a very important
purpose and the topic we're going to be
talking about today is bullying.
Who can define bullying for me? Yeah.
>> A person making fun of
>> So one example would be someone making
fun of someone else. Yeah.
>> Putting someone down to bring yourself
up.
>> Putting someone down to bring yourself
up. That's very well said. We're going
to get soon. We're going to elaborate a
little bit on what that means. Where is
the bully? Why is the bully usually
bullying? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, physically hurting person.
>> Potentially physically hurting. Yeah.
>> Picking on someone.
>> Picking on someone is a way to say it.
>> Embarrassing.
>> Embarrassing someone.
>> Um, saying words like you're no good.
>> Okay. So, again, putting the person down
with words.
>> Um, threatening them because you really
think that he's better than you.
>> Threats can be a part of it. me
>> sometimes. If you're the one that's
doing it, make sure you pay attention to
this class. Yes.
>> Like taking someone's stuff.
>> Okay. So, uh affecting other people's
stuff, their belongings, taking it.
Okay. So, those are all good examples of
bullying. The basic idea is that you're
harming another person and oftentimes
it's being done repetitively over and
over and over again. I have a question
for you boys. How many people here by a
raise of hands
have witnessed
have observed bullying.
Pretty much every single person raising
their hand. Now that doesn't mean that
there's a lot of bullying going on
around you. Could be one person bullying
one other person who's the victim, but
you all have observed it. The reason I
asked that question is not to try to see
how much bullying is going on, but
actually because if you've all observed
it, then you all potentially could be
part of this solution. And that's the
first point I want to make. What do you
boys think is by far the most effective,
successful anti-bullying tactic? The
best strategy to stop bullying in its
tracks, to eliminate bullying. What is
the best way to make sure that bullying
does not happen? Yeah.
>> Have everyone together.
>> Everyone together. What were you going
to say?
>> Um you you ask him to stop and
>> so now you're talking about from the
victim's perspective. What should you
do? Like asking him to stop and stuff.
And we're going to get into that.
>> You could say that you're going to the
principal.
>> You could say you're going to you're
going to have to tell an adult.
Absolutely. Like the principal. Yes.
We're going to get to all those ideas,
but let's focus more on what he was
saying. Yeah. Stand up to him.
>> Stand up to him again as the victim.
We're going to focus on all of those.
That's important.
>> Yeah.
>> But you can stand up to him as the
crowd.
>> Ah, okay. As the crowd or the word we
want to focus on here is
bystander.
This is a word that we use when it comes
to bullying that is absolutely critical.
Yes, there will be sometimes
unfortunately bullying in every single
school
to work with schools across the country
and even outside the country. Every
school will have incidents
and in every incident there's going to
be the victim.
That's the person who's being bullied.
And there's going to be the bystander.
That's the person who sees the bullying.
He's not the bully. He's not the person
being bullied, the victim, but he is
observing it. He sees it. He hears it.
And the bystander,
especially if it's a group of people,
have the greatest kak, the greatest
strength to influence the environment of
the class. What's another place maybe in
kish in Torah that we find that people
are influenced by their environment by
what people around them stand for or
don't stand for? Can anyone think of an
example in Gumar? Yeah.
>> Okay. What do we find by katagel? That
the men maybe influenced each other and
a large group started to get involved.
Thousands of people. But what group do
we see didn't get involved byel?
>> Do you know?
>> The Levim. So they stuck together as a
group. I'm sure some Levim got from
others to not join. What's another group
that didn't get involved in the Agel?
>> Yeah. The women gave each other to not
get involved. An amazing idea. Once
again, you see the positive influence
but also potentially the negative
influence of those who were serving it.
Any other ideas? Any other examples?
Yeah.
>> Dawson and Okay, good example. Yes.
Influencing people potentially by Korak
and other places. Yeah.
>> Corbin Pak. He said
>> it's just a very large gathering of
people being mazic each other to do the
mitzvah, right? It's like they're taking
like the bottles of other
>> taking.
>> It's like they're basically the
>> Okay, there's a lot of people who are
bystanders, but we want to talk about
how it could influence the group. Yeah.
>> By Shimshin. That what?
>> When he was being killed like everyone
was everyone was around
>> and what?
>> So that was a moment of influence.
Shimshin knocking it down, killing all
those enemies was a moment of influence
for Claus Israel of his maybe. Yes. But
we want to talk about more in a group
form. Yeah.
>> Getting the Torah
>> just receiving the Torah. Matan Torah
was a tremendous thing. All the people
came together. They were matire
themselves. They stood as a group.
The group has tremendous kak to
influence for the good and for the
opposite too. And we have to be aware of
that. Which means the greatest single
most impactful effective
anti-bullying campaign strategy is that
the class doesn't stand for bullying and
makes it known. That the grade or the
school doesn't stand for bullying and
makes it known. Meaning the boys, the
students.
Yeah, the principal could say things, it
helps. The mashki, the counselor could
say things, it helps. The reban teachers
can say things. The parents can get
involved. It all helps. It's all great.
But the most powerful is if the students
themselves say no. What does that mean?
It means if you're a bystander and you
hear or see one person bullying another
person, calling him a really nasty name
or even getting physical with him, you
walk up to that bully, even just by
yourself if you're brave enough. If not,
get a little group together. Two, three
boys is enough to be powerful. If maybe
there's a group that's doing the
bullying, maybe get a little bit of a
larger group together. Hopefully, the
vast majority of the class will be able
to get together on this for the good and
say, "Hey, stop. What you're doing is
not cool. Stop.
We We don't like it as a class. Stop."
And you make the bully feel silly in
what he's doing. It's highly
intimidating to the bully and helps him
stop the behavior because he says,
"Okay, this is not certainly not making
me more popular
and I'm not comfortable doing this." Now
it's an environment that doesn't
tolerate bullying amongst the students
themselves, the boys themselves. That
has the greatest impact. So keep that in
mind as we discuss bystander. I want to
introduce
an abbreviation as a way to think about
four ideas. There's more, but four ideas
that we can keep in mind as a bystander
again by ourselves or even especially as
a group. What can we do to help stop
bullying around us? Because again,
that's our greatest co-ak as a class.
The acronym
is called stack. S T A C. Here's what it
stands for. S stands for steal the show.
That means you see someone starting
starting to call some names against
another person, starting to say some
mean things to another person. Steal the
show means you jump in and say, "Did you
guys understand the toastless Rebby was
explaining just before?" Or maybe if
it's a different guy, [clears throat] it
might make more sense to say, "Did you
guys see THE FIELD GOAL LAST NIGHT?"
Whatever the content is doesn't matter
so much. It's that you're stealing the
show. You're changing the topic.
By doing that, you interrupt the
bullying, which is a great service to
the person being bullied. That's one
idea. Steal the show. T. Turn it over.
That means give it over to an adult.
Now, this is important. Do you think
every single time somebody annoys or
bothers another person, no matter how
light or heavy it is, you should always
make sure to tell an adult every single
time.
What do you say?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. You should always tell an adult.
>> No.
>> No. Why not?
>> Because then if you say it for every
little thing, then the person
>> All right. So, let's give an example to
make it more clear.
Somebody comes over to you. You go to
someone and say, "Can I borrow your
pen?" And he says,
"No, I'm not in the mood of lending it."
It's very not nice. Do you tell an
adult?
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> No. What do you say?
>> No.
>> Why?
>> Because
it's not serious enough.
>> So there need We all agree.
>> He's not doing anything necessarily
wrong. He's just not doing something
good. And sometimes it could be a little
wrong. But the point is we all agree
there's a certain lightness of just an
annoyance that we don't need to tell.
Now, can you always tell your parents
about anything that happens in your day?
Not only can you, you should. In fact,
let me just digress for a second. When
you go home today and your mother or
father, hopefully they haven't given up
yet by the time that you're now in
middle school, and they ask you, "How
was your day in school?
Try really hard. Practice this in the
car poolool on the way home in your head
not to say fine. And then the next
question is what did you do today? What
did you learn? I don't know.
Nothing. I don't remember.
Try instead to think of one or two
things. You could remember this denu
class. This is one thing you could
remember for the conversation today. And
if your parents did give up and they're
not asking you what did you do today?
Great. GO OVER TO THEM AND SAY, "MOM,
I'd like to tell you what I did in
school today. We had a denu class. It
was about this. We learned this in
sheer. We had an interesting thing in
math class. Prepare two or three things.
Here's what we did at recess." Your mom
might say, "Wait, do you have a fever?
What's going on over here?" All of a
sudden, you're telling me about your
day. And you'll say, "No, I want to try
to communicate." Right? We're in
communication right now. Communicate a
little bit more. So, as a side point,
it's good to always try to make sure to
communicate with your parents when they
want to hear about how was your day. You
could always tell your parents anything
you want and you should. No restrictions
on that. Anything that bothered you, of
course, you should tell your parents.
But the point is, do you need to run to
a principal? Do you need to run to a
rebby if someone annoyed you a little
bit? So, the answer to that is not
exactly black and white. Here's what I
mean.
There are two categories where turn it
over must apply.
Okay, you can apply it in other cases,
but it must apply. One, it's something
significantly significant and physical.
So, there's something you're being hurt
physically, pinned down, pushed,
punched, kicked, all these things. You
got to tell someone that is not okay.
That is a major boundary crossing. You
got to tell someone right away. That's
one case. Another case would be an
extremely nasty comment. really making
fun of you, calling you a terrible name,
saying inappropriate stuff, all that
stuff, you got to give it over to
someone. You got to tell an adult.
Rebby, principal, mashia, counselor,
parents.
But if it's something very light, maybe
the boy walks by your knapsack that's on
the floor and he just kind of brushes it
with his foot clearly purposely.
Maybe he co he says calls you like a a
little play on your last name a little
bit and it doesn't really bother you so
much but it's a little annoying and you
ask him to stop. So maybe wait to see if
he stops. You don't necessarily have to
tell an adult. But there's another
category where you do have to turn it
over. Even if it's light, if it happens
again and again and again and you try to
ask him to stop and again and again and
it's relentless, then even light things
can start to hurt a lot. It's actually
true. If you like punch someone in their
arm lightly, but you keep doing it a
long time, it starts to actually
potentially make a black and blue mark
even because it's relentless. Same thing
with words. Even if the words are
relatively light, if it's consistent and
repetitive and it's for a long time, a
number of days in a row, and it's not
stopping, you got to tell someone
because that could really hurt a person.
Just like one time if it's something
strong and physical or particularly
nasty verbally. Okay. So that's turn it
over. You have a question?
>> Um but also if you say like go to Robert
Schwarz or the principal every single
time there's a little thing then
um they're not going to let you come
back every single time.
>> Okay. Sometimes if you overload the
principle and you're coming to them
every day, they feel like, "Okay, one
second. We need to create some amount of
resilience, some amount of separation
and time. How often?" Again, if it's big
things and it's happening every day for
some reason, you got to go. But
hopefully those things are going to be
taken care of right away with the
parents involved and everyone involved.
Yeah, good point. Okay. Yeah. Last
question for now.
>> But sometime sometimes the bully has to
stop even when the parents are
principal.
>> Yes. Yes, we're going to talk about
that. Excellent question. Sometimes
these things are not enough. We're going
to get there. But to finish off what a
bystander can do, what's S?
>> Start the show.
>> Steal the show. What's T?
>> Turn it over.
>> Turn it over. A is accompany others.
Accompany others. Is a accompany others
means that you want to make sure to
provide company to the victim. What's
the feeling that a victim of bullying
generally feels right when he's being
bullied and right after he gets being
bullied? What feeling is the victim
usually feeling?
>> Yeah.
>> No one cares.
>> No one cares about me.
>> I'm all
>> You might feel some rage and anger, but
also I'm what? feel awkward.
>> Awkward and
>> like a nobody
>> alone.
I'm all alone.
>> No one's there for me. So, what could
you do as a bystander? You can go up to
that victim and say after it's like,
let's say it just finished and now you
noticed it, you go up to him and you
say, "Hey, don't listen to him. He's
being silly. Don't listen to him. What
he's saying does not make sense at all.
And by the way, at recess today, we're
putting a game together. Come join us.
I'm having some guys over to study and
do come over. Invite including him. That
is directly
helping the feeling that he's feeling of
alone of loneliness. Accompany others.
Be there for the victim. And lastly, so
what's s?
>> Steal the show.
>> Turn it over.
>> Turn it over. accomp
>> accompany others. And lastly, coaching
compassion. That means we want to be
able to tell the bully, hey, stop.
That's what we really began with.
Especially if you could do it in group
form. Bring a whole group together.
Approach the bully. Tell the bully in
group form, "Hey, what you're doing is
not cool. It's not okay. We don't like
it. It it's it's destroying our class.
Stop."
and you walk away. You're coaching
compassion bully. You got to have some
compassion. You got to stop with this
mean behavior. Coaching compassion. One
last time.
>> Steal the show.
>> Turn over. Accompany others.
>> Coaching compassion.
>> Coaching compassion. That's right. So,
we want to remember these four tactics
as a bystander. There are more things
that you can do as well. And now we're
gonna also talk about what to do if
you're the victim of bullying. Before we
get there, you had a question.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, but also the person could like
say something, but you might not want to
say anything cuz like we could be going
through something
>> like let's say you know the fact is that
the bullyy's going through something.
>> That would be an excellent thing to say.
You have to be careful with lush and
hurry. You don't want to start revealing
secrets that you might know. But to say
in general, I think he's just dealing
with difficult stuff right now. Don't
pay attention to what he's saying. He's
just having a hard time right now. I
think, you know, he's like, well, what
exactly? Like, I don't know. Just I
think he's just having a hard time.
Absolutely. That's a great piece of
information to share if it's true,
>> right? In that case, that would be
great. Absolutely. When you when you
coach compassion and you go to the bully
as a group or even as an individual to
say, "Stop. It's not cool." It doesn't
have to be with a meanness, just a
firmness and a confidence. You got to
stop what it could be very nice. Hey,
you got to stop what you're saying. It's
so not nice to him. I'm not sure you
realize, but you're being really mean to
him. It's hurting him. You got to stop.
And if if his response is, "Oh, okay.
Thank you. Beautiful." But if his
response is, "I know. Oh, yeah. It's
hurting him." You know, "Oh, great. Here
I go." Well, then you got to get a
little bit more firm. Maybe bring in a
few more people to the group. make
sense. Yeah.
>> Um I think maybe we should also add a K
so it can be spelled correctly and K
would stand for karate.
>> Ah I'm so happy you brought that up
because we're going to talk about this
in the victim. We'll talk about it now
as far as the victim and the bystander.
Should you use K? He's saying let's add
a K. Now it's spelled correctly as stack
and we it it stands for karate. Now,
first of all, if you know anything about
karate, karate is all about defensive
posturing and not offensive, which means
you're not doing any attacking unless
you're attacked. Um, so I'm not sure
karate maybe there's a different letter
for a different form of fighting or
whatever, but but not not karate. Um,
but but let's just address the idea. So,
let's get rid of that. Let's just
address the idea of should you get
physical with him? The answer is no.
We'll elaborate on that a little bit
when we get to the victim. Should the
victim get physical or not? But the
answer is generally no, but we'll get to
that soon. Yeah.
>> Um, but if you're coaching compassion,
sometimes
you might get bullied back.
>> Yes, there is a risk. That's excellent
that you brought that up. As a
bystander, why would a bystander not
want to get involved? Because one
second, Barak Hashem, I'm not getting
bullied. I feel bad for him that he is,
but I'm not.
>> I don't want to get involved. If I get
involved, he start bullying me. So,
first of all, if you're in a group, that
should be less of a concern because if
12 people out of 20 in the class go up
to this person and say, "Stop." Much
less of a concern. Second of all, even
if you're by yourself, you're right.
There's a risk. And we wouldn't blame
someone for not getting involved. But if
you have the courage to say something,
you'll have hopefully the environment
others who will be the bystander for you
if necessary. Right? That's why we're
talking about creating this environment
in the classroom and in the grade of not
tolerating bullying. Does that make
sense? It's a great point. Yeah.
>> What if there are no bystanders?
>> Sometimes it happens in private and
there no bystanders and this wouldn't
apply. The victim can potentially tell
other people, hey, could you look out
for this? Could you help me out? But
yeah, we have to deal with each
situation in of itself. In many many
cases, there's going to be some
bystanders. Not every case. It's true.
We have We're going to talk in a minute
about what should the victim of bullying
do to help himself. That's going to be
the next part of the class. Yeah.
>> If someone's like bullying you on your
way home from school and no one sees and
he's doing it physically, shouldn't you
like defend yourself?
>> Yes, we're going to get to that. That's
all within the victim side of things.
Okay. So, this we just wanted to talk
about if you're the bystander. Now,
let's transition over a lot of your
questions on what if you're the victim.
Maybe there are no bystanders. Maybe
there are bystanders, but they're not
coming to help. So, the bullying has
happened and you're the victim of it.
What can you do to help yourself? So,
two options that I want to share with
you today. Number one,
think to yourself, does this person
who's bullying me seem like a person I
may be able to talk to to ask him to
stop? If the answer is definitely not,
which sometimes happens, then we'll have
to move on to option two that I'm going
to give you in a minute. But if the
answer is yes, I think I might be able
to tell him to stop. I think it might
work. Then here's what you want to do.
You want to tell him to stop. But we
want to start with a concept called an I
statement. An I statement
means
that you focus on your feelings, not his
actions. Let me give you an example. I
walk up to the bully and I say,
"You are being so mean by calling me
that name. You've now invited a fight."
No, I'm not. You deserve it. It's not so
mean.
As opposed to
It's hurting my feelings deeply when you
call me that name. Stop. Or if you don't
want to make yourself so vulnerable and
so emotional, you could just simply say,
"I really don't like it when you call me
that name. Please stop now." Firm,
short, focusing on I don't like it. I
don't like it. What's he going to say?
That's not true. You do like it. There's
nothing to argue about. If you focus on
his actions, what you're doing, you're a
Russia. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO YOU'RE
DON'T YOU real he could just start
arguing no it's because of this you're
wrong I am allowed but if you just say I
don't like what you're doing you want to
add in it's really bothering me or not
but I don't like what you're doing I
need you to stop now please that's one
second I'll take questions in a minute
that's the statement the I statement and
then there are two conditions to make
this work one you want to be
in private I'll explain what that means
in a minute. And there's a second
condition of walk away.
Okay, so those are the two things. Let's
talk about that. In private doesn't mean
you have to be in a private room when
you say this to the bully. It means you
want to be out of earshot.
You don't want the bully to have an
audience because if you walk up to that
bully and he has two or three of his
close friends around him and you say,
"Hey bully, I don't like what you're
doing. Please stop." Now, when you call
me that name, I don't like it. Stop.
When you kick my knapsack, I don't like
it. Stop, please. Now, clear, short,
to the point. If he has two or three
friends around him, he's going to feel
like, I got to put on a show. I got to
save face, we call it. I got to save my
reputation. So, he's going to want to
say to the victim, "Oh, yeah." And then
like, "Call you the name right there."
And then the two friends laugh.
You know, sometimes when somebody makes
a joke in a class, the whole class
laughs and like the kid feels really
good. But sometimes, imagine if I was
the kid and imagine in the middle of
class, I like raise my hand and I say
something funny, right? like, "Oh, yeah.
Well, that's not true because of this
and this." And instead of everyone
laughing, which makes me feel good, the
whole class is just like,
>> totally awkward silence. The person
feels really silly with what he did. He
probably won't do it again.
So, the point is, if the bully feels
like he's going to get a laugh from an
audience, a reaction, you're probably
going to lose in trying to get him to
stop by telling him to stop. What you
want to do is when you're 10t away from
other people on one side of the room
from the other side of the room, that's
when you quietly walk up to him. I
really don't like it when you call me
that name. When you do that thing,
please stop now. I don't like it. And
then the second condition, so there's no
audience. Second condition, walk away.
Don't do this. Hey bully, I really don't
like when you call me that name. Please
stop now.
What's your response?
How would you like to reply?
This is not a discussion. This is not a
debate. I don't like it. I need you to
stop. I really don't like what you're
doing when you call me that name. Please
stop now.
Walk away. Walk away. He might scream
after you. Yeah, but you just shrug your
shoulders and walk away. Okay, so that's
the first technique. If you think you
can speak to him, go ahead and try it.
If it works, great. If it doesn't work,
we'll move on to option two, which is
going to be a whole different approach
than speaking to him. It's going to be
how do you react when you
are being bullied? what's your reaction
going to be? And that's going to have a
specific idea to it. But before we move
on to that, yeah,
>> could also like have confidence in
people and and like and like be nice to
them cuz when you're nice sometimes they
end up like make him stop.
>> Interesting. Sometimes just being a
little extra nice to the bully makes him
feel like a little more silly that he's
being so mean to you. like say to him,
>> "Okay, I [clears throat] don't like when
you call me those stuff, but if it makes
you feel better, then go ahead and do
it."
>> Okay, that's going to get into the
reaction. What kind of reaction should
you have? And it's very much along the
lines of what you're saying. That's
excellent.
>> Say you go for the person, you tell them
that you don't like it, walk away,
scream, I don't care. Next day does the
same thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So then speaking didn't work
and we have to move on to the next idea.
Right. This is option number one. This
is option number two. If you think
option number one's not going to work,
move straight on to option number two.
If you think it might work, try it. If
it works, great. If not, move on to
option two. Let's talk about option two
for a second. Quick quick question.
Yeah.
>> If you talk about your feeling and tell
you don't like it and he goes and tells
other people how I said that I don't
like it and he embarrasses you.
>> Yeah. He could even he could bully you
more with the speaking. You're
absolutely right. He could say, "Guys,
come over here." You know what he just
said? He said, "I should stop." Haha.
and he tells you that, oh, we went to a
red for little thing that I did and this
and this.
>> Yep.
>> And in those cases, we're going to
explore option two. But of course, if
nothing's working at some point, no
matter what level of severity it is,
like we said before, especially if it's
repeating, and if it's severe right
away, you got to do
turn it over, give it to the adult,
right? One more review.
Spotlight.
>> Steal the show. Steal the spotlight.
Yeah.
>> Turn it over.
>> Accompany others.
>> Compassion. Coaching. Coaching.
Compassion. Good. Okay. So, one second.
Let's just get through this and then
I'll take your question. What should
your Now we're up to the point of we
tried all that. It's not working. What
should your reaction be when the bully
bullies you? This is really important.
The way to answer that question is what
is
what is the reason many bullies bully?
Why are they bullying? We kind of
touched on this at the very beginning of
the class in the back. Yeah.
>> To get attention.
>> Um like he's like he's facing something
like
>> something difficult.
>> Yeah. And he's like
>> Yeah.
>> He genuinely doesn't like you.
>> He just doesn't like the person. Sure.
to get more popular.
>> Cuz what?
>> To get more popular.
>> To get more popular. To get attention.
Yeah.
>> To when? Because he feels that thing
about himself. So he tells you
>> he feels that thing about himself all
the way in the back. Yeah.
>> Something's happening at home.
>> Maybe something's happening at home
that's making him feel bad
>> to put you down and bring himself up.
>> Oh, a good visual for that is he's
feeling down and out about himself for
some reason. So in order to shove you
down and step on top of you, he raises
himself up. But what a cruel, vicious,
terrible way to make himself feel better
about himself. But we have to understand
that's where it's coming from. It's
coming from him wanting to make himself
feel better about himself because
there's something that he doesn't feel
so good about inside of himself, which
ultimately means he's trying to grab
power for himself. He wants to feel more
powerful and get a reaction out of you.
This is something
that has been written about. This is an
incredible idea to think about when
you're dealing with a bully.
If he's trying to get power, it means he
can cause you to react. That means he
says something to you, a mean comment,
and you crumble on the floor and cry.
Haha, look how powerful I am. Or you run
away, tell on him, and he gets in
trouble. Look how powerful I am. I was
able to cause you to get so upset. You
went and told on me. Even though it's a
negative consequence to him, even that
makes him feel power.
So we have to think to ourselves, how do
we deflate that power? How do we make it
that that power just doesn't feel like
he's getting that power anymore? What
tactic can we take?
>> If you ignore him, then he just thinks
>> ignoring is the right is a good idea.
But let's define two different types of
ignoring. One type of ignoring is he
calls me a name and I go like this. Do
you guys hear anyone talking to me right
now? I don't hear anyone. Is there
someone even over there? Like silent
treatment.
That is a reaction even though you're
not saying anything to him. But that's a
clear reaction of I'm very bothered by
what you're doing. Look at what you're
right. The right type of ignoring the
word I like to use is more more called
indifference. I'm indifferent. I don't
care.
I don't care what you say. It makes no
difference to me. Indifference. Then he
feels like, "Oh my gosh, I'm not getting
a reaction from the victim."
>> That is something that's powerful in
terms of taking away his feeling of
power. So what would that look like? He
calls me a name and I just kind of shrug
my shoulders. Okay, whatever you say.
And walk away. Like who cares? Let me
give you a muscle. Just put your hands
down and we'll go to questions in a
minute. Let me give you a mushel,
a visual to help you with this because
sometimes it's really going to hurt. How
do you pretend like it's not bothering
you? So, sometimes
I want you all to close close your eyes
for a second and imagine the face of a
baby. Close your eyes. It could be a
younger brother or sister. It could be a
niece or nephew. It can be a baby that
you saw on the outside of a diaper box.
It doesn't matter. You can make up the
baby face, but like a little
six-month-old baby's head.
Okay, picture that head in your mind.
Okay, open your eyes. Now, imagine
there's a person bullying. I'm not going
to say you cuz there's a person bullying
someone. What I would tell that person
is, oh, he's bullying you. Say it's a
middle schooler bullying another middle
schooler. Imagine that baby head being
swapped out on top of the shoulders of
the middle school boy's body. And now
it's a middle school boy's body with a
baby's head on top. Pretty weird visual.
Why would I tell you to imagine that?
Because think about the following case.
I go to my friend's house and he's like,
"You got to see my baby. You got to come
see the baby. It's so cute. Come see the
baby.
I say fine. I come and I take a look at
the baby and it's very cute baby.
So I look at the baby and the baby looks
up at me. It's like one years old, not
talking any English yet. And it looks up
at me and says, "You're ugly."
I'm like, "What? What is And the
father's like his first words.
He's talking so early. He's a genius.
What would my feelings be? Would I be
like, "Oh, called me ug." Or would I be
like, "Wait, LET ME TAKE OUT MY CAMERA
AND VIDEO THIS. MAYBE WE COULD GET HIM
TO SAY IT again because it's just a
baby. The words mean nothing."
That's the visual. Somebody's calling
you names.
You imagine that baby's head on his body
and that's doing the talking. It means
nothing to me. It doesn't bother me. It
gives me a little chuckle even. It
doesn't bother me. Now, again, it's not
really that case. It really is someone
your age, so it does hurt. I get it. But
if you could even act indifferent, like
it doesn't bother you. You know what
starts to happen? The bully starts to
get more intense and more extreme with
the bullying because he's losing grip
with his power. You're not reacting.
You're not caring. Every time he says
it, you're just like, "Okay." Some
sometimes people like to say, "Okay,
thank you, I guess." And you walk away.
[snorts]
And it's all about how you say it,
right? It's not, "Um, thank you, I
guess." cuz that's like I'm bothered.
It's more you have to do a little bit of
an acting job or maybe you could really
come to the point that it doesn't bother
you and you simply say okay thanks and
you move on and you get busy with other
things. You go back to a book you're
reading. you go out to play
and he's like, "Wow, it's not
affecting." But he might increase the
intensity at first cuz he's losing his
grip and power. And then
eventually it stops because he's not
gaining what he's setting out to gain,
some sort of power over you through your
reaction. So indifference, your
reaction, not caring at all about what
he's doing. Remember the muscle with the
baby?
That is what we want to focus on. It
doesn't bother me even if it does. Now
again, if it's particularly nasty or
intense or it's not, but it's going on
for a long time despite you doing this
or it's getting physical and pretty
serious, it's hurting you, all those
what's that?
>> Turn it over. Give it to an adult 100%.
Even if it's just slightly bothering
you, always talk to your parents about
what's going on in school. 100%.
So keep all that in mind. But these are
the tactics we can use to try to help
ourselves if Sham were the victim. Those
are the things that we want to try to
keep in mind both as bystander, which is
the most effective way to get rid of
bullying in a school, in a classroom, in
a grade, and as victim. the different
ways to speak it out with I statements
to make sure that we talk about it's
bothering me. I don't like it. Not what
you're doing is bad because then he can
argue and private just means no
audience, no crowd around, nobody
around, right? That's all private means.
So that there's no audience for him to
get laughter from. And you walk away
when you say that quick eye statement.
Doesn't matter if he's screaming after
you. drop the seed, plant the seed, and
then move on.
And finally, if the speaking doesn't
work, the indifference, whatever doesn't
bother me, and you walk away and keep
that up for a few days, hopefully it
ends. If it doesn't, you always got to
get bring adults into it. Hopefully,
your friends will come and help you one
last time.
>> I will now take questions. At what point
are you able to get physical?
>> Great question. So now the question
becomes, is there ever room to get
physical with the bully?
>> What if the bully is saying really nasty
things? Should you get physical with
him? The answer is no. Never if it's
just verbal. However, there's one
exception. Let me tell you before I get
to the exception. You know what often
happens when when somebody pushes
another person, he's like, "What? How
dare you? You can't push me." And he
goes to push him back. Let's just
picture it in slow motion right now. So
Ruvane the bully pushes Shimon. Shim's
the victim and Shimon's like, "What? How
dare you?" And he decides not to tell
him you shouldn't do that and then to
tell an adult cuz that's a pretty
serious physical thing you got to tell
an adult. Instead of that, Shim decides
I'm going to take justice to my own
hands and push Ruvane back. Okay, here's
what usually happens. I don't know why,
but this is what I see usually happens.
Shim, slow motion gets ready to come
push Ruvane back because he deserves it.
And as his hands make contact with his
chest and he's about to shove him to the
ground, the door opens,
in comes the Manahel's head to check on
how the class is going. And at that
moment, he sees Shim push Ruvane onto
the ground. Uh, excuse me, Shim, come
with me right now. Now, even if Shim can
figure out a way to explain and prove
and cameras and other things that I was
only reacting, still he can get in
trouble for it. And also the manal is
going to react more to the thing he saw
with his own eyes than the thing he
didn't see depending on what the
circumstances are. WHICH MEANS
POTENTIALLY SHIM'S NOT ONLY THE ONE WHO
GOT pushed first, but now Shimon's
getting in trouble. Very often that
happens. It's not It's always a good
idea to avoid getting physical at all
costs, but there's an exception where
you have no choice. For example, shalom,
the bully is pinning the victim down on
the ground and the victim can't escape.
He shouldn't just lie there and be like,
um, are there any adults around who can
help me? He should do everything he
needs to do to get out from that pin. He
might need to push, you know, punch a
little bit. I'm not advocating for any
of that, but he can't let himself just
continue to be pinned down on the
ground. Similarly, if he's being
grabbed, right, he might need to like
kind of push his arms away. So, you're
getting physical to release yourself so
that not so that you could turn around
and get him back physically so you can
run away. And in fact, that's always the
advice, by the way, even for stronger
people in your adult lives. That's
always the advice. Don't engage in
physical force with another person. It
only adds to the risk and makes it
potentially more dangerous. So we have
to keep that in mind and think about
that. It's the same thing here in
school. Obviously baram we're not
dealing with those types of scenarios.
But when it comes to bullying unless
you're stuck and you need to release
yourself, free yourself from the bully,
nothing physical. Yeah.
>> Say you're a bystander and someone's
being kidn [clears throat]
What I would say is scream out to get an
adult to help cuz it's always better if
the adult does it. But yes, if you see
that a person is being pained and hurt
in a stuck position, you do what you
need to do to pull the person off of
him. Right? So, we're not saying, "Oh,
great. I have an excuse now to punch him
in the face." No, that's not what we're
saying. We're saying have three guys
come and pull him off and that should be
sufficient in the vast majority of
cases. But yes, as a bystander, again,
if someone's stuck pinned, they can't
run away. If they can run away and
there's a fight going on and they're
both actively participating in it, run
and go get someone, you can um from
behind like kind of each guy could be
held back. You know, you sometimes see
that at sporting events sometimes where
they seemingly like in baseball aren't
really going to fight but um they're
making a point like hold me back hold me
back type of thing. It's funny
sometimes. It looks looks to me like
that a little bit sometimes. But either
way, yes, trying to stop people from
engaging in physical fights can be an a
case where you can get a slightly
physical. We're talking about just
holding someone back, but we're not
talking about really trying to fight
physically with another person. Great
question. That's how I would deal with
generally speaking nothing physical and
the rare exception where it could be a
little bit physical. Excellent. Okay, so
this these are the ideas that I wanted
to share with you in regards to
bullying. It's a really important topic.
This is just the beginning of the
conversation. We're just opening up the
discussion right now. We touched on this
a little bit back in sixth grade. If you
remember, we're really getting more
heavily into it here in seventh grade.
This is all about what we want to try to
learn about in these DAU classes.
Obviously, if any of you have questions
about specific circumstances relating to
bullying or anything, you know, you can
find me in my office. You can make an
appointment with me. We can talk. You
can catch me in the hallway. We can
talk. You have your wonderful Rebby here
as well who's who heard the whole class
together with us and he can be involved
and help you. You have the manal and of
course you have your parents and hashem
we won't even have to use these tactics
because we won't have the bullying all
together but just in case we do we have
these ideas and we should only have
Thank you boys so much. Enjoy your
recess.
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