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Amudim Event 9-11-2016 Part 3 Rabbi Dr. Zev Brown
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I don't know about anybody else, but my
heart was absolutely pounding through
most of Dr.
Pearlman's when he was relating the
experiences of so many people. There are
multiple organizations amas that are
involved in tonight's incredibly
important awareness and educational
asifa could give all of them the to
continue in
the topic of sexual abuse is
one that is extraordinarily sensitive
requires high levels of tenius and
delicacy and yet at the same time is so
incredibly important that it becomes an
ace lassis. that makes it necessary to
address many of these issues in a public
forum. There is really an incredibly
difficult balance between being aware of
a particular problem and making sure
that we are properly prepared to deal
with it responsibly aso as opposed to
becoming panicked or frightened by it.
There's an equally difficult balance
between recognizing that a particular
problem exists and that its
ramifications are potentially
catastrophic and lifealtering and yet
recognizing that the vast majority of us
will not encounter it and for the most
part our children are not at significant
risk. The goal for tonight is simple
education.
As parents, the more we understand the
problem, the more comprehensive a
strategy we can formulate to try our
best to ensure that we protect ourselves
from that particular problem. If we
understand how children are abused, what
type of circumstances abuse is more
likely to occur, where abuse is most
likely to occur, and who are the most
common abusers. We can then take
significant steps towards preventing our
children from becoming victims of this
terrible crime. The sensationalism of
certain high-profile cases, particularly
when the blogs or the media get
involved, tends to skew the reality of
how abuse is most likely to occur. It
causes us to become wary of adults in
our children's lives and in general
generates high levels of fear and
insecurity about the world around us.
Creating an environment of safety and
security is crucial for our children's
healthy development and we do not want
to jeopardize that in our quest to keep
our children safe. We need to find the
correct balance between keeping them
safe while at the same time ensuring
that they grow up feeling secure. They
need to grow up feeling that the world
in general is indeed a safe place as
long as we take proper precautions.
Overreacting or viewing anyone or
everyone who interacts with our children
with suspicion is counterproductive and
will cause more harm than good in the
long run. A woman recently called me
about a referral for her 10-year-old
grandson. Why she was calling, I'm not
sure. About a minor anxiety issue, and I
suggested a few highly competent
therapists who I thought might be a good
shock for her. As soon as she heard
their names, she became anxious herself
and requested that I make a
recommendation for a female therapist.
When I asked her why, so she responded
that a 10-year-old boy should never see
a female a male therapist. Who knows
what can happen. It sounded like she
actually had tightness on me that I was
making a referral for a male for a male
therapist. She clearly had been so
frightened by the media
misinterpretations and sensational cases
that she lived her life in irrational in
irrational fear. The reality is that
almost all interactions that children
have with adults or with older children
are not only safe but they are highly
beneficial. There are few things fewer
things more helpful to a child than
having an older mentor. A mentor is a
firstline defense for a child as having
any sort of an issue. Often when parents
call me for therapy, I suggest to them
instead to invest in a highly qualified
mentor for their child. It gives the
child a safe place to discuss many
issues that they may not be comfortable
discussing with a
parent. Mentoring is an extremely
economical and efficient way to ward off
issues before they become bigger
problems. If we generate fear and
distrust of adults our for our children,
not only does the world become a scary
and insecure place, but we also deprive
our children of a tremendous resource
that may be able to help them. At the
same time, we need to recognize the
realities of the world and we need to
protect ourselves as best as we can to
ensure that our children do not become
victims. We need to make sure that our
children's interactions with other
children, teenagers and adults, we need
to make sure it takes place in as safe a
manner as possible. As Dr. Pman told us,
the statistics of sexual abuse are are
indeed very alarming. Multiple sources
from multiple studies across the board
suggests that as many as one in three
girls and one in seven boys will be
molested before the age of 18. That
means that in a kindergarten class of 20
children, four will have been molested
before they graduate high school. These
these numbers are incredible and they're
across the board through multiple
studies. They're enough to frighten the
most staunch non-believer in this entire
para. However, these numbers do come
from secular sources and to my
knowledge, there have not been any
serious, as Dr. Pearlman said, any
serious comprehensive studies that have
examined the from population. My own
experiences in no way seem to match
these statistics and multiple
conversations with other mental health
professionals as well as pediatricians
seem to support my own findings. I have
no doubt that the findings in the
secular world are probably accurate, but
I suspect very strongly that in the firm
world they they're not nearly as
prevalent. As a community, we have a
tremendous amount to be proud of. It
would seem that we are far healthier
than the general population in many
ways. That being said, it's clear that
we are not immune. Sexual abuse does
indeed occur. The catastrophic damage
that it leaves in its wake affects durus
of families and individuals. The damage,
as Dr. Pearlman said, affects the gof.
It affects the nama. It is extremely
difficult for a victim of sexual abuse
to lead to lead a normal, healthy,
productive and adaptive life without
significant
struggle. Who abuses a child? As Dr.
Pearlman told us, over 90% of abusers
are known and trusted by the child. This
does not mean that 90% of people who
know your child will be an abuser. But
it means that when a child is abused,
90% of the time it will be by somebody
the child had a trusted relationship
with, somebody the child knew and
somebody the child
trusted. Sometimes it's difficult to
understand why people can have such an
extreme reaction to being abused. Why is
the damage so formative and why does it
impact them for their entire lives?
We've all had challenges. We've all had
difficulties. We've all struggled. Why
is this difficult? Why is it so
different particularly when the abuse is
no longer taking place? Why is it so
difficult for them to move on to have a
normal productive
life? During the developmental years of
a person's life, their sense of
security, their entire sense of
self-identity plays a pivotal role in
how they will come to view themselves.
If during a person's developmental and
formative years, their basic sense of
security, their basic sense of trust has
been violated, it is extremely difficult
for them to develop a comfort level with
the world around them and with
themselves. We never know who the next
monster is going to be, what they're
going to do to us. Victims of abuse
operate with a heightened sense of
suspicion. If a previously trusted
person violated them in such a horrific
way, who's to ensure that it won't
happen
again? This betrayal of trust affects
the victim's ability to establish basic
relationships because all relationships
are based on trust. Children who have
been abused have a far higher risk of
developing a wide variety of emotional
issues. They live life without any sense
of security, without any sense of das.
Let's also remember that if 90% of the
time the abuser is going to be a trusted
adult or a trusted individual in the
child's life, that means that in our
community always the abuser will be
outwardly from. It's then very easy for
the victim to create associations in his
mind that being from results in a
horrible and malicious type of behavior.
In a sense, the victim essentially
connects Yiddish kite with abuse. Is it
any wonder that many victims of sexual
abuse struggle mightily with their
Yiddish kite? How can they be from when
somebody who represents Yiddishkite did
something so
terrible? In a traumatic time, it is
very easy to confuse Jews with Judaism.
They may lose faith in themselves. Since
it's easy, as Dr. problem said to blame
themselves for what have occurred. They
may feel dirty and used, lose their
sense of wholesomeness. It's confusing
because it feels good and they may not
have actually been physically forced.
Rather, they may have been coerced. They
may have been intimidated. They may have
been convinced. When it comes to
physical abuse, it is always against
physically against the will of the
child. When it comes to sexual abuse, it
is often more a mind game. It's a
psychological mind game. They often
carry the tremendous burden of blame and
irrational guilt. It weighs them down
for years and years to come. It attacks
the gof and the nama on many levels. And
that is why it is so catastrophic.
Research has shown as Dr. Pearlman said,
it is much more difficult to recover
from sexual abuse than any other type of
physical abuse.
The fact that almost always the abuser
is known and trusted by the victim also
causes us to re-evaluate how do we go
about protecting our children and
ensuring their safety. Warning our
children to stay away from strangers
puts our focus and our energies on the
population that is least likely to harm
our
families. Besides for the fact that it
encourages people to think that the
world is a scary and dangerous place,
the truth is just the opposite. For the
most part, we can indeed place our trust
in humanity and almost always that trust
will not have been
misplaced. As a matter of fact, if you
look at the advertisement for tonight's
event, it prevents a very scary picture
is a looming shadowy figure hovering
over a small
child. That is overwhelmingly not the
reality of how abuse takes place. Almost
always it is not a scary figure lurking
in the shadows but a kind trusted person
whom the child already knows. So what
can we do? How do we keep our kids safe?
Obviously we don't and should not focus
on the chance that there is a
possibility that somebody whom the child
knows and trusts is going to harm them.
Besides the impractic impracticality of
such an approach, it would generate
tremendous harm for our children's sense
of development. If they grow up paranoid
and afraid, it'll do immeasurable damage
to them in many ways. What we need to do
instead, we need to teach our children
basic safety skills in a healthy,
non-threatening way. skills that they
could apply across the board in multiple
settings, in multiple scenarios. Skills
that will keep them safe from potential
harms and threats from those who may
seek to harm them while at the same time
enable them to maintain the faith in
those whom they love and trust the most.
Instead of teaching our children to be
afraid of strangers, we need to empower
them to protect themselves with
confidence, with assurance. We need to
teach them the skills that will keep
them safe across the board. We need to
teach them how to respond in a given
situation in any type of a scenario that
might be making them uncomfortable. The
truth is there is no way to tell who
might be an abuser. There's no look. As
Dr. Pearlman said, it's not the freaky
guy in the van. It's community people,
successful, highass individuals. They
could be male, they could be female.
They span every socioeconomic forum and
exist across every culture and every
religion. That's why it is so important
to teach our kids to keep themselves
safe rather than having them avoid scary
situations. It's simply impossible to
micromanage their lives in such a way as
to have them avoid people who might
present a threat. We simply can't
identify in advance who might be that
risk. We just don't know. I've worked
with several individuals older bram who
had molested younger siblings or or
relatives or neighbors. No one had any
idea they were considered top bakr in
their respective yes is yeshivas. No one
would have ever suspected them of doing
anything wrong. Trying to keep our
children away from people who may harm
them who we may suspect of having ill
intentions simply not enough. We will
never be able to accurately identify who
may pose a threat. We need to teach our
children to keep themselves safe with
confidence with assurance. We need
essentially to put systems in place that
will protect them and keep them safe in
multiple environments and across varied
situations. It's important to recognize
as well that children do have the
capacity to understand messages of
safety and danger while at the same time
still maintain their sense of security.
Think of it as a fire drill. Every
yeshiva, every school, every mid runs a
fire drill. And we don't go through life
afraid of fire unless somebody has an
anxiety disorder.
I just want to take a couple of minutes
to discuss several specific areas or
danger zones that my professional
experience has taught me can be
particularly challenging. The
overwhelming majority of the cases of
abuse that I have dealt with have
involved either siblings, cousins,
neighbors, or peers. Almost always the
perpetrator is either a child or a young
adult, a teenager, and could be either
male or female. It is less common for
females to be an abuser, but I ha I have
had multiple cases where the abuser was
a female. I've had many conversations
with other mental health professionals
on this topic, and their experiences in
this regard are very similar to mine. It
is far more common for abuse to be
perpetrated by peers or family members
younger, such as siblings or cousins, as
opposed to being victimized by adults.
These are not scientific studies and the
truth is we really need hard data to get
an accurate assessment of the reality.
But the mental health professionals as
well as pediatricians whom I have
consulted, they're all experiencing the
same thing. Most abuse takes place at
the hands of younger people who are
either family members, peers or
neighbors. Which means in a sense that
there are really two victims. There's
not just one victims. Both the victim
and the perpetrator are victims. Had
proper safeguards been in place, nothing
would have ever occurred. I've worked
with several good Bakram whose lives
were totally destroyed by the guilt that
they carried because of the things they
had done when they were
younger. They're desperately wishing
that they would have never been given
those opportunities that they were given
and to do the things that they had done.
Of course, they're responsible, but
essentially they're also victims.
Almost always it doesn't come from
anything malicious on their part. The
world we live in today and the exposures
that our children experience at
increasingly younger and younger ages,
they generate very powerful feelings
that they are simply not mature enough
to handle. In the time in the past, by
the time a child was exposed to the
adult aspect of the world, they had the
emotional maturity and the self-control
to keep themselves in check and to avoid
acting impulsively. They were able to
recognize the seriousness of this entire
topic. And they were emotionally
developed enough to realize the harm
that could occur if they were to violate
the rights and privacy of other people.
Today, kids are exposed at a younger and
younger age, and the feelings and drives
are activated much, much younger. I I've
had conversations with boys in fifth and
sixth grade where they they're already
exposed. It's an age when a child or a
young adult is not emotionally developed
enough to avoid acting impulsively. They
are simply unaware of the terrible
danger that they pose to themselves and
others. the availability of relatives,
siblings, cousins, neighbors. It's
simply too tempting for them and they
end up doing things that they know they
are
wrong. It requires a self-control at a
young age that they simply do not have.
In the end, it's a tragedy for both of
them. A tragedy that very likely could
have been avoided with a little bit of
foresight.
Even by the way, in situations where
technically it would not be considered
abuse, there is far too much
experimenting and playing around among
amongst boys of similar ages. I've
received many calls from parents of boys
in sixth grade and seventh grade, eighth
grade who've been behaving together in
ways that are highly inappropriate. And
even though this may not be considered
abuse, but the damage can be terrible
and longlasting and it often has
longasting repercussions. It can affect
how they look at themselves long term.
It can cause them to question if they're
normal. And a little bit of foresight
and a little bit of shira in advance
would have can can really pre prevent
all of these issues. Another area that I
believe requires extra vigilance. People
may be surprised is household help.
Housekeepers cleaning help. They present
their own unique challenges in our
world. I recently worked with an
outstanding young man, a real bentra who
had been molested by his family's
trusted cleaning lady when he was a
child homesick one day. He carried this
terrible burden for 15 years until he
told me I was the first one here told
him 15
years. It it
distorted his entire concept of every
adult concept. The pain and trauma in a
sense had an impact on practically every
single thought he had had in yeshiva and
in his life for the past 15 years. I've
worked with several bakram who
interacted with their family cleaning
ladies in horribly inappropriate ways
over periods of time. To a certain
extent, if we think about it, these
women are the only non-family females
that these boys have been exposed to.
And there's a certain comfort level that
they feel particularly if these women
are around often enough and to a certain
extent they're considered their
employees especially if they're
full-time
housekeepers. So what can we do? How do
we keep our children safe? Particularly
it seems that our children are most at
risk in areas where they are most
comfortable at home in school at the
homes of relatives in the neighborhood.
We do not want them to lose their sense
of security in these environments. We do
not want them to become paranoid or
hypervigilant losing their sense of
innocence. We want them to be
comfortable. We want them to be secure
and trusting while at the same time we
want them to be safe. I think what we
need to do is to create an environment
and a culture in our homes, in our
lives, in our schools of transparency
and accountability and to gives to give
our children age appropriate knowledge.
When our children are raised in a
culture where it is unacceptable for
them to be alone with somebody behind a
locked door or to hang around in an
isolated area, if we have a culture
where they know that being in a deserted
area with someone either another child
or an adult who is not their parent is
something that is simply improper, that
is an extremely powerful safety skill.
When when we raise our families with the
mindset that there are places and
situations that they simply should not
be and they should not allow themselves
to
be, then if somebody tries to entice
them or convince them to enter that type
of a situation, they will immediately
know that they should leave and they
should tell an an adult what has
occurred. They will have the skills to
keep themselves safe far in advance of
any actual danger.
We definitely want our children to have
healthy relationships with other
children and other adults. As we said
before, a mentoring relationship can be
invaluable to a child. However, we want
it to take place in an environment where
there is transparency, accountability,
and knowledge. Mentoring should never be
done in a private location. It should
always be done in a public location such
as a shel where there are other people.
Never in a private school where nobody's
around. Never in an empty building. It
should not be done in the mentor's house
if his wife or family members are not
home. It can be done in our own homes if
parents are home. As long as there is
accountability and transparency, our
children should be safe. All aspects of
the relationship should be public and
out in the open. A child should not be
going on a trip by himself with an adult
who is not his parents. He can go with
several children or several adults. This
creates the transparency and
accountability. When children are
playing together, there should be
parental supervision. There shouldn't be
going into construction sites on their
own to play by themselves, to play
together together in the basement when
there's no adult supervision. If there's
transparency and accountability, no one
would behave in a way that's
inappropriate. It requires a a very
careful balance because we do want to
give our kids autonomy and independence.
They need those skills to develop into
healthy, adaptive adults. One of the
simplest ways to create this kind of an
environment is simply to
follow or to mimic the of when it's two
boys of and the responsibility that we
all have to avoid the is of creates this
level of transparency and accountability
and almost always prevents inappropriate
behaviors. Mother recently called me
with the following situation. Again, all
cases are are adjusted and none of them
are local. She had left her
nine-year-old daughter in the care of a
male teenage relative who was
essentially a part of the family. It's a
classic convenient babysitting situation
and the boy tried to be inappropriate
with her. The fallout in the extended
family was significant. If the halos of
Yehik had been followed, this would have
never occurred. An older girl
babysitting for a child also certainly
above the age of nine. We could ask the
but maybe even younger to mimic
the tremendous pain and suffering can be
avoided. In general, children should not
be allowed to lock the bedroom doors in
a house. Even better, doors shouldn't
have locks to begin with. Obviously,
this becomes much more difficult when
there are married siblings. But as a
general rule, when children are younger,
the doors in the house should not be
locked. Parents should be vigilant to
make their presence known on a regular
basis throughout the house. If the kids
are playing upstairs, one of the parents
should just cruise through. Just the
fact that the parent is consistently
around, it creates an incredible mess
and helps to avoid behaviors that are
unacceptable. It doesn't and should not
be done with a sense of urgency or a
sense of panic that there's something
terrible going on, therefore I'm coming
to check on you. Just in a casual, very
relaxed way. Parents should make their
presence known throughout the house. The
combination of not allowing doors to be
locked and being a constant presence in
the home creates a very strong level of
transparency and accountability.
Especially when friends are over or at a
time when the home has many unfamiliar
people with it. It just creates that
level of accountability when we're
constantly
around. Yiff can be a particularly
challenging time that requires extra
vigilance. It's a time YT is coming up.
Many families are together. Many more
people are cooped up in close quarters.
People who generally would never share a
bedroom are sharing bedrooms for
extended periods of time. Yes, Yantiff
is beautiful. We want to make sure it's
beautiful for everybody and that
everyone's memories of Yontiff are
positive. Unfortunately, I know of way
too many stories that people look back
at Yiff as as a horribly horrific time.
The way to do that is simply to create
this level of accountability and
transparency. The truth is it's nothing
new. Khazal were well aware of this.
That's why there were msak and bahab
because of the heckeris that takes place
over yiff. There is no reason a child
should be in an adult's bedroom or an
adult should be in a child's bedroom.
Certainly with the door closed. It's
simply a matter of creating that culture
within our homes. We limit opportunities
for people to do something
wrong. Parents go away for a or an
evening. They should also try to mimic
the and not leave just two siblings at
home, even two boys. Unfortunately, I
know of too many situations where
behaviors went on went
on and untold damage occurred. Again,
creating accountability and transparency
without that sense of panic or urgency
to create that environment of safety,
without in any way compromising our
children's security in themselves, in
their families or in society. It's easy
to do, especially younger families where
we're not making any changes. We're just
creating a culture that doors are open,
parents are around. It just creates that
mess. Sleepovers, we should be very
careful. older siblings should not be
around if a younger sibling is having
sleepovers. We have to use SEO to create
this level of transparency as much as we
can. We should try to institute the
buddy system where children don't walk
by themselves. They're always walking in
pairs. It's far less likely for somebody
to attempt something with a child or try
to intimidate a child if there's
somebody else with him than if he's
walking by himself or her. When we bring
our children to shul, we also need to
put transparency and accountability. Our
children should know they are not
allowed to go into rooms when no one
else is in there or into rooms that lock
in the shoo. In general, they need to
stay in public areas of the shoo. Not
getting into the topic of should we
bring children to sh to play around or
not. I'm sure everybody has their own
opinions on that. When children are
younger, it is probably wise to take
them to the bathroom rather than letting
them go themselves. As an aside, not
really today's topic. It's my opinion
that the safest bathrooms are the ones
that have the most exposure. Yes, from a
sneeze standpoint, having stalls that
are very private is far more
comfortable. From a safety standpoint,
the less private they are, the safer
they are. If you can't see people's
feet, if you can see people's feet, it's
very unlikely that two people will go
into the same stall together, unless
it's a father helping his son. I get
calls with regularity about activities
that take place in the bathrooms. The
less private they are, the safer they
are at all times. We need to pay
attention. If somebody is playing with a
child in the lobby of the shul, if an
adult is playing with a child in the
lobby of the shul, it should attract our
attention. I'm not talking about the
little kibbiting here and there. Why is
an adult not where he's supposed to be?
Why is he in the lobby interacting with
a child who's not his own? As a rule,
adults should play with adults and
children should play with children. When
an adult is playing with a child, it is
suspicious and it's something we
certainly should pay attention
to. When an older child is playing with
younger children, it's also something we
should pay attention to. Is it simply a
social issue or is it something else
going on? creating this atmosphere and
this culture of transparency and
accountability. It also protects
innocent people from being accused of
something for which there is no defense.
Once an accusation is made, even if it's
withdrawn or even if it's found to be
totally false, the suspicious the
suspicion always lingers. There is no
place to go for a person to get his good
reputation back. That's why it's
catastrophic to make a mistake in either
direction here. Either we put a child at
risk or we totally destroy somebody's
life in a way that they can never
recover from. We cannot afford to make a
mistake in this area ever. Ever. The way
to protect ourselves as adults and
protect our children is by creating
transparency both for both for ourselves
and for our children. We also need to
recognize that creating accountability
and transparency throughout every aspect
of our children's days. For us to do it
ourselves, it's a logistical nightmare.
It's simply impossible for us to do on
our own. We cannot structure their
entire day in such a way that they will
have the messes from us. We're not
around most of our day. We're not around
when they're on their own. We're not
around when they're in school. What we
need to do really as what Rasha Rebelli
said, we need to harness our community
resources to generate accountability and
transparency for our children. We need
to look out not only for our own
children. We need to look out for the
children of the entire community. This
does not mean that we parent or we
discipline other people's children. It's
a recipe for disaster. But it does mean
that if we see something inappropriate
or if something is making us
uncomfortable, we should not just walk
away. We are not allowed to be malam
anov. are not allowed to walk
away. We need to make our presence known
at times. We need to call the parents.
We need to contact them. We need to let
them know that, you know, we have reason
maybe to that they should look into
something. Let's look out for all of our
children. If we see something going on
in the kiddish room and chul often just
walking in making our presence known is
enough to put a stop to it. When we see
children lurking in isolated areas, be a
presence. We should teach our children
when and where it's okay to be
somewhere. Often the children themselves
may have this sense of discomfort.
They're not really sure, should I be
here? Should I not be here? But if they
don't have clear guidelines about it,
it's much easier for them to kind of get
sucked into the situation. It's
tremendously empowering for our children
to be able to have a very good sense of
what is okay, what is not okay, where is
it okay for me to be and where is it not
okay for me to be.
Abuse is not just about inappropriate
touching. If another child shows another
child inappropriate material, explicit
conversations can all be abusive. Often
these activities are part of the
grooming process where more behavior is
planned. It's designed to lead
elsewhere. And we need to pay very close
attention to these types of behaviors.
If there's a candyman in school, he
shouldn't just give a child candy. He
himself should ask, is it okay with your
parents? This teaches the child. It's a
very powerful lesson. It teaches the
child he shouldn't be accepting
something from
anybody. We need to communicate to our
children and to help them understand the
difference between appropriate and
inappropriate interactions, between
touching that is okay and touching that
is not okay. In general, communicating
to our children that no one besides a
parent or a doctor has any right to ever
touch them in an area normally covered
by the bathing suit. It's a very good
general guideline for what kind of
touching is okay. However, any kind of
touching that makes them uncomfortable
is cause for concern. And our children
need to know that they can say no. Even
if it's rude, even if it's rude, we need
to teach our kids if somebody's touching
them in a way that makes them
uncomfortable, they can say no. Even if
it's an adult, it doesn't matter how
they are. And then they need to tell a
parent. A child should not be sent to
the doctor for an annual exam with an
older sibling. It should always be done
in the presence of the parent. And the
parent should demonstrate to the child
that this is okay. This doesn't mean for
a strep strep type of a thing. Means for
the annual physical. One of the most
important things that we can do to
protect our children is to develop
healthy trusting relationships with
them. If they are comfortable with us
and they trust us then they will share
our lives with their lives with us. If
something does happen to them as Dr. PB
said they will tell us they will trust
us to protect them and they will trust
us that we will keep them safe. They
know we won't blame them. They know
we'll be supportive and they know that
we will get them the help they need. If
they don't trust us, if they feel that
the relationship is not one that's
genuine and close, they will avoid
sharing with us. And we will be severely
limited in our ability to help them at
the time that they need us most. In
general, the most effective weapon we
have in our arsenal to protect our
children from all of the challenges in
today's world, in today's highly
challenging world, is our relationship
with them. We need to make our
relationship with our children our
highest our highest priority. And
together with may we be to raise many
healthy
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dus. Thank you very much Dr. Brown.
Thank you very much Dr. Pearlman and
Relia. I really want to just thank
everybody for taking the time to come
out here tonight. We know that this is
not a topic that's easy to deal with,
but uh as everybody mentioned before,
awareness is the key. And hopefully with
SIA Deshmaya, by being open about these
matters and being able to communicate
it, we can keep the next generation safe
and those that are suffering, we can get
them the help that they need. Thank you
very much for coming.