Best of Meaningful People Podcast

[Music] Hello friends at amudim and people who are watching Naki Gordon here with my co-host Momo Balman from the meaningful people podcast how are you dude I'm good dude how are you barem thank you Hashem fantastic amazing you look fantastic anyways we are here you're so kind n you gotta be kind no part of the campaign yeah always only always we are here creating content and suppor of amudam in the incredible work they do um and we're just gonna talk about some of our favorite moments maybe stories huus from the meaningful people podcast I know huus if you know what huus is then uh you win a prize in shamine probably I don't know um so I I'll just kick it off you know bar we've recorded So Many amazing episodes together um and like right honestly yeah like every single guest we've sat down with has just been it's been a gem it's been a gem it's been the greatest G that was one of the episodes gem oh yeah that's JM I was talking about gem okay nahi all of a sudden mock it on spelling and grammar a whatever man by the way Jim recently came up by the way I was talking to someone just like in a in a meeting in like a work meeting and he was telling me unbelievable stories about the laich rebbi really I don't I don't want to interject I don't know if we're allow to open parenthesis here and stuff like because this is not an episode we expect you to open parenthesis in any kind any kind okay so let me formally open the first parenthesis and share that awesome gentleman Alex kisselev shared with me an unbelievable story I feel like the names that you make they're not real people Kissa he's so real he is so there always the people you always bring up during names like Yanka Feer like what like how is that that's also a real a real gentleman that is true he is real but Alex is super super real and super incredible he I'm gonna I'm gonna condense the story that he told me into like very short order but basically he went to help out a family member with some like moving a television this is going back like many many many years to move a television and an apartment and they're like okay we'll do it we'll do it tomorrow and he's like no for some reason he's like you know what I'm going to do it today I'm going to do it today so he goes to the apartment and he starts moving the television he's helping out and he's and it's the whole thing and there's boxes and he's like oh do you want one of these boxes he takes the Box there's a picture of the laich rebi in the in the Box takes the picture he's like you know what it's a it's a it's a picture of an amazing sadic take it so he takes it he puts it in his in the front seat of his car and he starts driving starts driving on the Belt Parkway and he like for some reason he has this like flash to get off on the exit and he goes on to tell the story how with no explanation he ends up getting off the exit he ends up going to visit his father he ends up having a whole conversation with his father and then he remembers that he just recorded an advertisement how are you advertising right he recorded a new advertisement for his business that he was building okay and he wants to show his dad he wants to show his dad the ad right now this is way before the days where you could just pull it up on your phone right so they have to like go down to the office to like see there's like a there's like a a video that you put in and it's this whole dis exactly it's like this whole elaborate process to go view the advertising that they created he he and he convinces his dad right then right then we have to go see the ad right this is after he wasn't going to be there at all right decided to stop by yeah and he takes his dad back to his office and he realizes when he gets to the office that he left his keys dangling in the door and his office was in a neighborhood that based on his own assessment had he let the Knight go through he would have come the next day to an empty cleaned out office and he attributes it to laab Reb's picture sitting in the seat of his car pulled him off the exit to Exit 4 pulled him to his dad's apartment pulled him to his office so he can discover that his office is in Jeopardy that's awesome and and he hangs up the office he hangs up the picture of the Reit in his office and he shows it to me and he told me something else he said that he once was concerned that there was a a wire tap in the office and and he he purchased a a pen to detect like a signal that's being transmitted and walked it around his office I kid you not this is a very serious man yeah he looked at me in the face and he said Momo the pen was transmitting a signal when I put it up by the RBIs picture maybe maybe the picture was tapped I don't know dude I don't know true story told it to me yesterday close parenthesis how are you D well that's a way to begin this with David Schwab as my witness by the way David Schwab was there when Alex told me the story David Schwab from Hass of course Very how are you doing very interesting that's that's some story that's incredible well it kind of uh brings me to the first story I want to bring up the first moment from our podcast we did a little while ago with uh rly besser the amazing rly bester remember how how he mentioned about um he said this about May LTZ that he would never pass by his parents block without stopping by right and Surly said that he tries to do the same that's not the story I want to bring up it just happens to be that was relevant to what you said about I thought that was a beautiful sensitivity but what I want to bring up is really for anybody that lives out of town um which out of town is basically anyone who doesn't live in Brooklyn right uhon or like um but Sly Sly said a story that he had from Montreal and this is the story it was once many many years ago not long after I lived to Montreal uh F was on the Klean not on any you lost a child a baby so we were we were his friends we walked down to the hospital on Yanti his baby was still alive it was some TI we walked it was like over an hour we sat with him a little bit the M the baby lost her life and the next day was the levia so again we went out the young lad Kyle went out to the Leva and and literally did things that people do at L people were digging and helping and in the car on the way back one of my friends said it's Such a Pity that Montreal doesn't have a branch of mum so R says if Mt if Montreal had a branch of M askam would you know that you are capable of doing what you just did in the last three hours would you know that you can say a hpit and counsel and grieve with somebody that way and physically help and do the things you You' never even know that that means you you discover things about yourself when you live town because nobody else able to do that including writing for that matter we I don't have to make myself the example but I only write because I live out of town fact had they lived in an in town community that's not the they wouldn't have this opportunity to St to step up for their friend to do things so you know like sometimes people might think like I live in Columbus I live in Philadelphia I live in you know middle of nowhere and we don't have the conveniences we don't have the grocery that's open 247 and we don't have the yers of the world whatever like but what you do have is the opportunity which I found was so powerful you have the opportunity to be that right yeah to to be the the answer to people's blessings in a way like has work through you so like it's a it's a takeoff of a quote from Gandhi I think it is be the change you want to see in the world yeah that's beautiful I never thought we'd be talking about Gandhi this morning there you go be the change you want to see in how's Gandhi doing these days I don't know honestly he's he's not still alive right I have no idea actually Momo doesn't know I don't know keeping sitting we're on Virtual Studio we could actually Google it right now someone somewhere is laughing at us right now like are you kidding me Gandhi's right next to me is he there no appears that Gandhi um was born in 1869 are we talking about the same talk about the same Gandhi yeah dude when did he only one there's only one Gandhi he died on January the 30th 1948 that is crazy that we pardon our vast ignorance with respect to uh the Buddha yeah the Buddha KRA over there um a lot of good quotes though from Gandhi why did now I lost now I lost the tab that we're recording on oh here we are back I don't know why we thought for second that he was still alive but anyways the because his wisdom is still alive lives forever but anyways be the change you want to see in the world you know that's that's like how are you Surly B thank you for that for that my that story sticks with me we recorded that such a long time ago you know and uh behind the scenes fact about that episode M Surly was so under the weather remember yeah yeah we cut a few times for like coughing attacks coughing breaks yeah coffee breaks there were no coffee breaks because we also talked about the fact that you don't drink coffee in that episode oh yeah yeah so no coffee breaks but coughing breaks the funny thing is I don't think I ever will live that down like I've gotten so many invites to like coffee meetings and I'm like wait like do you actually want to meet or are you just making a joke like I don't understand they're like no coffee pivoting meaan yeah about coffee I was talking recently with rasi Schwarz about the aity of coffee um Cav right Cav is the way we refer to Coffee in in Yiddish and he wants to write a safer on all theas that pertain to coffee and call it cave elem how are you I'm I'm I'm in I am a I am a customer even though I don't drink coffee I just love I love the um I love the focus on writing a safer about something that everybody besides for me drinks on chabas right like everybody drinks on chabas besides yeah it's chabas it's during the week also there's a lot of alas that pertain to it interesting is about during the week drinking coffee yeah catch this right ready for this there's a that if you make a br on if you're sud on something not only but likeus if you're if you make a misus and you have in mind to leave the place where you are you're good your Das can keep thatas going so you can make the BR on the Maus and then continue to eat it when you get in the car when you go to the next place a coffee or any shahak for that matter doesn't have that doesn't have that ability to establish the meal such that if you take it from one place to the next even your dos is insufficient to keep that going so if you make a shahak on your coffee at home and you even if you have in mind to take it elsewhere a new broa is triggered when you get to that new place write that safer let's write that safer K alash yes Biden J stores near you um we've had some very funny moments heart of meaningful people some some have made it to the final edit oh you started it we have started we have so many bloopers oh you oh you went there good good yeah I could take it you want to know what my favorite Naki moment is oh that's hear it I have to show it though so so first of all so thank you for making it difficult for me to make this make this Choice okay but I'm very um I am going to have to go with I think it was with if I'm not mistaken it was with Jonathan donf oh it must have been with Jonathan donth because of what we talking about Dr J he how are you and I just play it I'm not even going to describe it $1 60 $1 just because I want people to understand I don't want it is $31 a month we can't hit People's Credit Card every day and it's 100 cents yeah what did I say what did I say no you were right you you were good said 60 cents no I didn't you did I said 60 cents yeah dude I didn't hear it I didn't hear n but but I'll tell you one thing 60 seconds that's my business I what do I fasted today I'm this going to be edited this is going to be edited is it yeah for please $160 okay I just I need to have a Breer one second um yeah where were we yeah so in my defense I got confused with seconds and sense oh it's very confusing it happens no it's it's terribly confusing it's completely understandable but they're both they're both like units that you measure yeah it's totally totally reasonable that you was also in my defense was also late at night I feel like I find myself I I find it that it's sounding like I'm making fun by trying to defend it no no no I I'm genuinely defending that it's a very reasonable mistake to mistake raise your hand if you ever confuse dollars or cents for seconds cents for seconds Momo no never classic I also I also in that episode I I had I had a rough episode that that episode with like blunders I I had uh I said something um Placebo instead ofba spba yes here let's just play it uh and I said CH what do you think of this idea he says great idea I said can you build me a website he says absolutely so then I called my it's good to have a website guy my got to have a website guy sh's the best and so ill if kill is listening in Ukraine Placebo Placebo what' I say placeo that is great Sly please do not edit that please put subtitles Sly for the people who don't speak that was amazing Russian to a doctor no less he says Placebo he's not a doctor he's my website [Music] guy the do so what can I what can I tell you like in your defense by the way he was cracking your neck in half before or after no he did it after oh it's after did it after maybe it was to release it was to release some of the stress from that oh man listen it he almost took your head off by the way yeah listen Joe Biden has some hot mic moments and so do I I'm a good I'm in good company you know what it shows it just demonstrates how this is not a performance this is not like we just get in there we sit down and we go Lodge 100% And like you know um one day maybe we'll edit the uh outtakes from you know speaking of outakes we recorded an episode with Rifka shotkin one of our uh most famous part of our it was part of our shocking shock and schin series oh my gosh can we start a law firm shocking shock and shmotkin yes yes like have no we'll have no licensed lawyers just like we'll just make a law firm um that's amazing that's awesome I like that shoten shoten shutkin um injured call shoten anyway so um we had Rifka shoten who's you know her episode like has 100,000 views now on YouTube it's really incredible she her story she's been telling it around the world world ever since that um but that was a that was a fun morning she was an amazing guest and like um she was so vulnerable and and like we could probably we could probably release a whole other episode of what didn't make it to the final edit in that episode but it was all so good it was all so fun I maybe we'll maybe we'll do that one day anyways but she had so so many things to say that were so eye openening uh she had said a story about um a song that she was listening her her father was explaining her to the translation of the words nisho song was it luu oh no [Music] um don't be afraid of the pain right so this this is this is the story that as it happened you just see Hashem like how he planned everything even years prior just to make it easier for me and there's also just little things that you know like what are the odds but they happen anyway and it's it's like amazing um some things um the first my first year anniversary of my accident was my Hebrew birthday which kind of felt like look at you you know you did a year you're still alive you know that was pretty cool um another thing that was actually really amazing was um I have this video of my dad he was one of iso's songs um Lea he was translating it for me me now my brother decided to take a video for some reason and the length of the video he goes hey guys and he turns it to my dad and me and the words um don't be afraid of the pain that was just the length of the video it just you know like little things you know like a little hug you know here don't be afraid of the pain you know don't worry that's awesome yeah wow don't be afraid of the pain are you afraid of the pain sometimes it's scary but no so yeah like this is literally I think she had mentioned mere days before her accident maybe a couple weeks before her accident that that left her paralyzed from the waist down and um she finds tremendous comfort in seeing this and and and like for her to even notice this right like some massive life event happened to her right becoming paralyzed and she was able to say you know what like just days before the accident when everything was totally fine on this 5-second video of her father in the background explaining to her the translation of the words you just hear in a 5-second video Don't Be Afraid of the pain and you know what my screen saver is Momo do you know I'm gonna guess wow don't be afraid of the pain with rifa shotkin little uh situation over there don't be afraid of the pain wow remember what we said to we said sorry are you scared she like a little bit but don't be afraid it's really amazing and it's so appropo um to everything to everything everyone who even calls on mud him you know don't be afraid of the pain it's it's such a good point that you're making Naki because so much of the work that that amudam does requires people to sort of take that step and we talk about it like it's it's just don't be afraid of the pain but when a person is living in the pain that amudim deals with it's the hardest thing in the world yeah to do it's the hardest step to take it's the hardest emerge to emerge and develop that willingness to just encounter that pain in the face yeah it's it it takes bravery it takes courage fear right fear can be can be understood as an Acron um fear can stand for flee everything and run and Escape or it can be face everything and recover I like that and when you're when you're willing to face that fear in the face and face it and recover and not be afraid of that pain and to embrace that pain that's that's where recovery happens yeah and obviously it's a lot easier said than done but we've spoken to many you know Mental Health professionals on our podcast and I feel like the biggest takeaway I have is not minimizing the pain not minimizing the struggle you it's it's huge it's and it's something that's happening but stare it in in the face and and just sit with it and you will you will get through it it might not be today it might not be tomorrow you know it reminds me of a video that's going around I know you probably didn't see it yet because you're not on WhatsApp Momo or Instagram or anything social um you're on iMessage so you only see the top of the top videos yeah hit me up on iMessage yeah hit M up on iMessage um said 2006 anyways um there's a video coming out of one of the hostages that was being released um from these Nazi hamnik and many many videos that are coming out show um these hostages they're obviously being you know uh intimidated and told how to act when they're leaving hamas's hands they're being told to wave they're being told to smile to give this facade that they're being treated they were being treated so nicely and they're sad to lead their captors it it's a crazy propaganda you even hear one of the videos and Ben Shapiro had exposed this the other day you hear one of the videos one of the terrorists saying keep waving keep waving to the camera it's all being recorded but one Israeli woman came out of the car the other day with it seemed like her mother and she stared at the terrorist in his eyes and did not blink just stared at him in the eyes and didn't blink and to me that was the I am not scared of you we are not scared of you you may have held us for 51 days you may have murdered thousands of people but we will win we are not scared of you you will never break the spirit of the Jewish people that's what that two second stare did for me and it very much goes into this message of don't be afraid of the pain afraid of it I want to stay I want to stay on that for a moment and someone reached out to me um rib zigger sh heed out to me real guy have you ever met anybody Goldberg or anything Momo like what's up come on oh it's funny I after after we aired the episode with Shawn bva yeah who who by the way just like oh dude Sean yeah how are you Sean what a guy what a guy what like what an episode what a story what a guy shout out to Nissen for finding Sean our producer niss Gordon for finda that's his first official shout out but oh my gosh like I had no idea a lot of people are asking me by the way how did you find him how did you like how do you get to him right yeah so anyway he had mentioned and may maybe you play the clip I don't know how this works but he mentions the story of where they beat him up in jail they beat him up with his hands up 23 times yeah 23 times and you turn to me and you're like Momo what's what's the inion of 23 yeah what's the gatria yeah and and I didn't know I I I I had no I had nowhere to go with it serer harav reaches out to me and he tells me that 23 is gatria cave pain ah cough Al V is gatria 23 and that pain that he experienced as we discussed with him is exactly what he needed because it came to him as a result of his his refusal to boycott the program and had he done that and had he not experienced that cave that 23 that pain he would not have been able to be transferred out of that jail to move to to New York and meet uh and meet sharashkin and see the of the and that is also it's the same like a father because the role the role of a father is to teach the child right and and Kaz say that anyone that teaches someone T ISU like he's a father that means that the role of the father is critical in teaching lessons to children and to students and that's the function of pain pain is there to be the cave is to Beav to be like a father from which we're able to learn from which we're a we're able to internalize what message is the abisher sending to us in this predicament yeah even the painful ones incredible just to close the parenthesis on pain I heard a quote from somebody Eric Thomas um he says pain is temporary it may last a minute May last a month it may last a year if you quit however it'll last forever meaning don't stop you're you're already you're already going through the pain keep going and the it'll be part of your success story God willing want to talk about one of the guests we've had on um his name is Mayor Weiss another episode Meer Meer yeah did I say mayor what's wrong with me um another episode no he told us that it's interchangeable it is okay yeah he told usable yeah so but I know you've been you've been becoming very heish of late so yeah would something happen what do you mean no I just I know you're developing your cus big time oh a beard right I I See You by the way I think you should have a beard Momo interesting interesting I guess we'll have to wait till s okay I guess so anyways um mayor Weiss there's something he said that was so profound to me in the episode and here it is at the end of the day you have a zida that you can go to after this and you could talk to him and you could say I met mayor wise and he's a g and this I don't have anything the responsibility of building doas falls on my shoulders that's not an easy thing to carry and even even the more so when I know that I'm not perfect and I need to better myself and and I have traits that I'm trying not to be like my father and I want uh I want to be good to my kids and the only way to be to be that good father is is to be truthful and to to to follow the truth because kids feel it they feel it they sense it and that's where life decisions change right because although I'm human and I'm 26 everything's fine and voil I have to think to myself I have to think more maturely than others because I have to think and I have to say mayor and this is what I think mayor what's going to be 5 10 years from now what are you going to look like even better what are your kids going to look like so every decision that I take has to be weighed accordingly so there are a lot of things that I don't partake in that I should partake in because my is different I have to look out for things differently than the regular person I before I had my my my two daughters I used to ding every single day please continue my daughters extend and you'll see extend one more one generation more my second daughter the same thing now hopefully I'm going to still have kids right but help them extend their that's how the tree is going to start forming line in that episode to me was like so sharp it was so it was so sharp and was like I was looking at him like dude he is he is like the aino in his life M for his kids like he will have God willing generations and generations of Jewish Grand children and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren and it started from him Nelson Nelson turn mayor turn Meer unbelievable it's un it's unbelievable to think about like how one person's decision will change dyus the trajectory of dyus mish and that mayor I think he shared with us that his name he chose the name mayor because of theum um inating nature of light and how he's bringing light to where there's a lot of darkness and if I if I may pivot for a moment on that theme um you know as we sit here we anticipate the the light of Kaneka and the light of Kaneka illuminated a darkness in Greece that was was so black it was so dark um and the despair was was just there it was it was there for everyone um but the light of Kaneka says that a little bit of light can dispel untold amounts of darkness and what that reminds me of is one of our guests um not so much in in the in the darkness in the way that we think of like now for example in the the darkness of of Kamas but in the superficiality of the facade of Hollywood and our friend Ari Blau I thought Ari was such a beacon of light such a Hal the way he told us and I think it's important for people to realize where he was in terms of being able to just like Coast through life like he was in a place doing work on the most successful late night show winning Awards year after year and like so easily able to just like I'm good like to just Coast right through this and the light of Tyra pierces every single facade it's the nature of the light of the Tyra it's another example of darus being changed you know it's it's like Ari and and his and his and his wife is Ritson who are living in ARL and he's in Yeshiva it's it's just like um honestly people ask what's what like what's the best thing about what you do it's like meeting these people even if I never released one episode or M even if we never released one episode of this the fact that we get to sit here and talk to our MOA wer for 45 minutes after one of the biggest tragedies you know F CL all like that is a golden moment right there it's a bonus it's an icing on the cake the fact that we get to share it with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people I I love what you're saying Naki because it's we are very blessed in this way and I just want to like share for whoever's curious the way that episode came about like oh my gosh it's it's it's this is how that episode came about okay I was sitting in this chair right here in my office with my business partner hesaf and it's go back further go back further what were we supposed to be doing that day all right we had we had a we me and Mom do we do recording days right we we record three episodes in one day so I come into the office and we are going at it from um 9:00 am until probably 6:00 pm just recording and we had a recording day planned with three amazing guests the day before I had I had some virus I wasn't feeling well and this never happened to me in in two and a half years three years of recording I never had to cancel like recordings besides for once maybe but like um no but never a full recording date never a full recording day like because that's that's that's like a real uh that's a real struggle to to rearrange and we're still working on it we're still trying to rearrange all the pieces from that recording day anyways I had to cancel and then it's like okay FMA and then what happened Momo so so I'm sitting in my office with my with my partner and it's it's I don't know it's 72 hours after SRA it's like yeah we day yeah it was right it was right after no it must have been a Thursday really must have been a yeah I'll tell you how I know okay because because we're sitting in the office and it's noon and we're struggling with exactly the inion that we ended up asking raoa Weimer which is how do we focus on anything how do we how do we look at emails how do we join you know videos video calls for for work while this is happening in ery St like how do we assign any significance to anything else that that was the struggle we were having and we had a work meeting we took it we had another one we took it but then we had like an open hour on the calendar and we're like looking at each other and we're like What do we do and we realized that Raa Weinberger is giving his one o00 his SPID this year in the asesh library so we look at each other we're like let's go let's just go and we pick up and we went to his sheer and he gave us tremendous tremendous and like for the first time Mish since I I felt some type of ability to breathe an ability to have hope that we'll be able to do a going forward and to have some clarity with what our role in this war is and I asked him I'll give it to you granularly I asked him right after he finished this Shear could we could we just sit down and and record something for this for this ma of shabas and there were some like logistical Manas and like we encountered those Minas and I just said okay no problem but M was immediately following and I have to thank my my partner he looked at me before he's like Momo don't give up so fast don't you need to sit down wither after M and just figure it out work through the Minas don't don't give up so quick and and and he gave me the the that I needed to follow up and to pursue and as you remember we figured it out he was going to a wedding he was coming like we worked it out and we were able to record that episode it's crazy and it never would have been possible prior like that you know it wouldn't have happened and that was our our first episode that we had put out after you know what had happened um and it was wither RAB gold and and R manam liman from ashalon um and it was it was a strong episode it's one that gave again like you know the marching orders or mosinger had said which is you know about his father his father was uh own the cleaner right and and he said he St here I'll just play the clip my father for many many many years he owned a dry cleaning store in Manhattan and it bothered me I never spoke to him about it but it bothered me a lot that a person who I looked up to was the biggest sadic in the world that my father was taking out like stains from like some drunks you know suit it bother me a lot that's what my father does and and finally like remember one time I just spoke to him a little bit about that my father said to me the following he he had very few words he's not like me he just had a couple of words my father said that's what I do that's not who I am who who I am I'm your father I'm a Jew that's who I am that's what I what I do I do that so I can be a good father and I can be a good Jew that's not who I am you have to make a clear distinction who we are right now we're one people that we're filled with hope and we have a heart like theah says one side is broken one crying the other side is is laughing and that's who we are we're Jews we're with our brothers and sisters every single moment of the day we're not M from them right now the wants me to to do this not to be this just to do this I can do this because I need to do it hasm wants me to be normal and not to fall apart and and become a mish so I'm going to do this but it never ever ever changes the slightest bit of who I am it's what I do but it's not who I am it's just amazing to hear and his father was a holocaust Survivor you know and again remember said like he he had struggled the the thought of his father cleaning clothing all day you know like you're cleaning Schmutz out of people's clothing his father Tim was a sadic what I do is not who I am you know exactly and also the of course theak has come up over and over for me if if you want to get the best way to do that is to be someone else there's an there's a light that returns back to the giver you give someone it could be in the form of a good word it could be in the form of of a hug it could be a for in the form of just a smile on the street as you're walking by someone you never never never never know and amudim knows this so so well you never know what is going on in someone's life the difficulty that they're dealing with the challenge that's on their plate the pain that they're experiencing it it it doesn't show up on their forehead it's just it's not there and you never never know what a smile can do to someone what a a word can do to someone you absolutely have no idea it could literally save their life and I'm not being dramatic I'm not exaggerating it could literally literally save their life you know a thing or two about that don't you everyone does everyone knows what it means to to to be kind to someone else and all it takes is a moment of introspection yeah all it takes is a moment of introspection take a moment here's a challenge yeah let's use the the challenge challenge take a moment and think about something that's going on in your own life that most people don't know about and now recognize that that person that just cut you off on the street or that person that just cut into the line in Gourmet glot or that person that's just being unaware of their surroundings at your expense who knows what's going on in their life and maybe they need a little Grace and maybe they need a little kindness It's it's so mindboggling when when you contemplate how little we really know about what's going on in other people's lives and when we talk about the concept of being done someone it sounds like this like like this big big a take a moment take a moment to think about what's going on in your life and apply that Grace to someone else yeah and even if it's not so heavy you know like that person behind you in in Central Avenue is honking you profusely like maybe they have to go to the bathroom like cut them some slack move out of the way well I said n it's well said like like just like you think they want to be honking you nobody wants to be honking like very well said not a good move anyways uh let's wrap up for today you you have something maybe from in a different episode I know one of your favorite episodes was from Maly Jacobs shout out to Joel Bess for hooking that up Joel how are you dude what what what do you think what what stands out what I loved about sitting down with Maly Jacobs is that a lot of our guests and I I shouldn't say a lot of our guests but sometimes guests they know that they're on the meaningful people podcast yeah so they know that like the Ava is to you know spread the light and they're very very plugged in to the helicity of their story and the light that they can spread and they're very quick to do that Mali Jacobs as you know nahi this is not something that she ever did this is not something that she was ever you know looking to do Joel Joel um like has been inviting her to do this for a very long time and she finally finally agreed to come and and sit down and she was just so raw and so authentic and so real about her life and her experience that there was just something that was just so moving I mean a few times I I I I I was crying during the episode because observing the process that she underw of telling her story from the beginning until present day and I think she had shared that like she she hadn't done that yeah in this like it it was it was interesting you're right like many times when we interview people they're a little bit more um seasoned or more more removed with their with their mindset like they've told it before so they know what they're saying I feel like Maly closed her eyes when we hit record and she didn't open them until we we finished and she was as you said she was emoting you know she was she was just um she was just I don't I don't want to say it's like a therap it was like a therapy session but maybe it was you know but it's one that for me it was for everyone there it was honestly like you know I I I've bumped into somebody the other day they said they were sitting next to her in a restaurant recently and they like went over to her like she you know she just and again like you said she didn't know like oh I'm coming on the meet for we podcast I need a she just came and said her story and and um and she also like she went through things in her mind in front of us like like uh I don't remember exactly but I think there was a there was like a nuda about life that we were talking about like and we were go back and forth on it you were challenging her she was CH you know and it's like she was talking about holding on to the inspiration yeah that it can't just be about the the five minutes of like the Flash oh I'm inspired to do something now like how do we hold on to that yeah but it's it's like she she also is very vulnerable she's like I don't have everything figured out you know like this is a work in progress and and uh believe it or not that's a lot of our guest that's all of us honestly if we none of us are finished products and um listen we want to give a big thank you to amudim for giving us the opportunity to talk to you today and we want to urge all of you to support amudam because uh they're doing work that none of us want to be able be busy with you know they're they're doing they're doing such a service to the entire clly um so needed so necessary all over the world right whether it's here whether it's AR St no matter where like no matter where it is they're helping so many people um and we just want to make sure they continue their incredible work incredible incredible work that they're doing it's it's really an honor to be to be part of their aesh in this in this small way and anyone that is familiar with the work that they do they know how critical and how life-saving um and how halig their work is and anyone that is not as familiar um I invite you to take a minute to become familiar and educate yourself on what is going on within our community and I think the times where we believed that this was happening outside of our community and where we can sort of buy our head in the sand and pretend that this doesn't exist um I think over the years that's become a thing of the past um and amudam is doing such remarkable and critical work I wanna if I have another moment Naki to to throw something in as as AA we we recently aired an episode with elip poock yeah and she's doing amazing amazing work Al also in in mental in the mental health realm um with respect to depression specifically um postpartum depression and we talked about a little bit about a concept called with her that the abisher is is known as The Rock and his work is complete hat and Po and the completeness of the aer's work is that anything that happens to a person of course we know and we believe and we accept that that's exactly the way Hashem wants it to be for that person but what we sometimes fail to acknowledge is that there is an impact on other people in that person's life and for example when a court of law secular court of law uh sentences someone to something maybe they take into account the family circumstances and the sentencing guidelines but in the actual you know punishment that they that they Dole out it's about the person it's about the guilty party the abisher is not a and in his infinite capacity the aish Dos out precisely what is the the the customized design for that individual person as well as every other impact that it has on that person's family on that person's friends on that person's loved ones and anyone that knows someone that's going through this and anyone that is impacted by the challenges that amudim deals with on a daily basis they are all part of the they're all part of the design of the abisher that this person be going through this and that it be part of your life as well and that we can go through these things together as a family together as a community and this doesn't have to be something that individuals suffer and individuals endure on their own but rather the this can be something that we experience and address and face as a community as a family as a nation and that's actually part of the the tactic that that sadik can teach us to Merit to get out from the other side of it because when you attach yourself to others that creates a more complex equation for hat and and when a person is suffering on their own on an island then that doesn't require As Much from the abisher because what the person that's being Afflicted is on their own but when that person is part of a group when that person is part of a a when that person is part of a community that experiences everything together that raises the bar and there's more kindness there's more ra that's applied to that scenario and that's how we're yeah really special beautiful um so thank you everybody for watching if you donate $180 more Momo is going to grow a beard for an additional 180 hours per donation um I don't know why you're laughing I say it was a fully straight face I think I need to get an erroneous on the record oh is it binding anyways enjoy the rest of the program everybody thank you 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