Ep. 9: Living in the Shechuna with Rabbi Baruch Wilhelm

this because he came every morning to take a sik. They told him, "But me sending you on mail." He said, "No, this I want my children to see it. Comes my at my comes a from the but I want it before that reason I'm coming up to take a he needs a but he needs it in his mailbox from the mailbox." >> I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing fabin about life as aid our vibrant connection with the rebba and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. Thank you very much for being here. Shalom. >> Okay. And you're uh I would say you're a veteran over here in Crown Heights. >> Yes. probably you're probably around here for the end of I came in you testing I came >> Wow and you came from >> from Yeah I was the first ber from Lud cuz we are we were ready to go to to the Zal to inabad then my mother passed here passed away a year before and then my father went back to America I mean it was back and forth all the time. >> Your father's from America? >> No, he's from but he went like for probably 50 years back and forth before the before the medina everything. >> You would travel back and forth. >> Well, yeah business is going back. I said you're leaving myself because all my brothers got unmarried and I said I'll go with God with you. He came over here. I asked the Reb where should I come to where should I go to learn? It was then >> your father was a was wasamassid. >> Yeah. My father learned into his grandfather from his mother's side was the kabatid I mean like he came to right after this is my father's grandfather >> from his mother >> what was his name >> Shane and they came with his father his father was a in the library they have a few from him So his name is Rman. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And even they sim I mean let's say it's when the from the fic was printed the first volume or the second volume the first volume I think was it I saw that two letters to saralit mean the fic was uh 20 something years old 24 years old. He wrote a letter to Sloan. He said you should give a 100 rubble to sushim that he send me a full library that if a library then then he had contact with them like to send him two letters. So he was uh so he was >> in >> he wanted to send >> you know he sent he sent to the fic library >> from Israel. >> Yeah. The fab asked him look for him old swore him send it to me and he sent him he said please give him the rubf that I owe him for this for me payment. >> Uhhuh. So therefore your father lived in >> my father. My father was like with became pes. My father was a few I was married and I was I think he was married already. He was married in cradle from he and a few other people about he told them you should be together with the reb all the time. Then my father went to run on fast wherever they went. My father was one of the people they went. But anyway, when I came over here, I wrote to the Reb, where should I go to learn? It was then Bedford, Newark, and Montreal because I was only 16 years old. >> One second. So you you you didn't know you knew that you wanted to stay? >> Yeah, I came to stay. >> You asked before? >> Yeah. >> The Reb said you >> came to my father has not me. My father >> that was un that was unusual. No. >> What? To come >> to come to >> Yeah. Because I was young. I was only 16 years old. >> Were the other antisic? >> Nobody came out soon. I'll come to it. >> Okay. >> Then I asked the Reb then I have letters from the Reb from before but this was type letters Reb send it to me from Bitzv from before. I was in yeshiva. They send a pan to the Reb. Then the Reb sent back a pan with all the names from all the people. It was about 20 25 people. all the names and then was the the cup >> the sent like a like invitation they call it. Yeah. >> Huh. >> Yeah. >> And this was your test. I have them with my name. >> But then after when I went to Lud in Yesh we sent we sent Penzat and >> the whole Yeshiva >> the whole Yeshiva everybody sent by himself. Yeah. What's interestingly talking like this when it came back >> there was a whole thing everyone would sit down and write the >> yeah went to the mik and come and write >> not of it was we're still young this was still in Lud in Paris >> okay >> and it's interesting is that when the package came back I mean all the back from the reb was it typed just the name was written about the masia was not typed just written the name and one of My friend the Reb added on like the put and about you >> all of the pianist >> three no one one of my friend >> he's saying all more than one pigeon that you're >> like two like two and you said I didn't send two pigeon I sent only one pigeon one reb but then I remind he made a escape before Ro pigeon he didn't like it then wrote the second one by mistake he sent both of them >> and you see like the reb got everything and the reb when when he signed the letters or whatever yeah the rabbi know that this guy gave two the reband this pig to >> but when I came over here when then the banan called me in I have an answer from the reb no we're not giving the I was just like I'm getting >> you didn't know how the system >> no the was Then I know I know it by till now two lines it's mean that was not bad for >> it was transit that what >> huh transit >> when when when they come here from out of out of state out of state whatever yeah she'll speak to them about this story from the and where is the heart wants to to learn then they should go then I spoke to people from Montreal they told me Montreal coming youat and then you could go for then what I'm coming to the reb should go come only one time I'll >> understanding that you should wait till they come to you're sitting in York and you should wait no they coming now for they come they coming for I should speak to them suspected them the sed for the yeshiv goes there. Yeah. But then I found out that yes Montreal they're coming for yuchat I mean other was you're leaving right after till you're not coming to the rabbi you're staying yes you're coming back yuchat you're staying till till pesa pes you could go home then I said first of all I don't have a home I mean I came and then I said no I'll go better to new because new you could come >> so but one of the options was was Bedford. >> No. Okay. >> Yeah. Then I went to Newark. I learned I was in Newark. So who's then and could say for was very nice this fab singing there >> that's how he started as a mash as a mashpia there >> he started but then he went here this and then I wrote led us to my friend in the laundry inabad and what everything then they said listen we have to come to our to the young for 17 years old >> so you're you're reporting to them what's happening by the reb so they said >> then I had like right away came like yosi gansburg the in >> Toronto >> Toronto his cousin Yosi Paris >> this came >> Montreal >> yeah then came y lashk came there moni all these people came because of me >> after I after I and I sent him then Yosi Gansburg and and Yosi Paris came then Dharma said we want to come also like this more people came and now now without it's called >> without so was uh okay with this I don't know if I don't know if there's the or not They probably each one probably has their own story. So >> I was invas but then 770 when I came it was I was not not in yeshiva yet because it was like two weeks vacation from they gave in New York. They have two weeks vacation. Then I was outside this benchm I got a machine. I wanted you to help me and put it upstairs and >> you had any connection to Ben before no he had an apartment his apartment where he slept even mimo when he got married. Yeah. He slept also in this apartment till he went without his >> together with his pension. >> Yeah. a different room. They got then I helped them then to put them the the b is like the winter of went into and the reb complained then that is for bringing so much in this and he doesn't see the people are cing they don't ever except he said garitzkis son said he Then benchm he was involved in running the hanus he was he was writing for himself it's called if you'll see like if you seen the kesh it's for him >> then bench read that then he decided he'll take the And he gives that to the people rest. Why he's talking learn something? Learn something. >> The shik. Yeah. >> But told them. So he got the he wanted the typewriter to just to to copy them. >> Oh no. Oh. No. No. No. This was started. >> Okay. They said there's a different story. Uh then uh then told them that the Reb doesn't want the should go out so much. whatever the word you want to use the the the >> going out. >> Yeah. >> Is telling Ben if you're ready making a whole >> No, no, that the doesn't want >> Yeah. He's telling if you're ready making a whole man of the you should give because they take it. Yeah. Then it was like this was the first pamphlet of it was so happy from the >> before then it was put out as um like a >> no techni was before but no then was already two two volumes was >> so what's the with theat >> no like a contra you could make a contra with the shabat and the reb >> so he invented that concept >> see until then when the gave it just went out. >> Yeah. Was it not without the logo? >> Yeah. He made it. Yeah. He gave it in >> and then that's what we printed the the first and the way he did it like he took it downstairs to the brim which was folded. It was 8 by 11 to fold it put in one together then staple it was all story. Then we started little by little to make it to send it out. We had like about 5,000 members. We sent it out. >> Subscriptions. >> Prescript. Not prescription. We We sent out ourself. >> Mhm. >> Not they wanted. Okay. Some people like it. We sent it to Williamsburg. They didn't like it so they just send it back. But like we had bought them from from Bronx. They said very they liked it and they're using it for their ceremon. And then we gave it into the reb was very happy. And then we started like every week to go out and they came for Pes Sham Jackson decided that he'll he'll take from wherever from the Pes yeah he'll make he'll make put it in a then he made like prompted farly 40 or 50 pages. Yeah. It took like from aim was from the rebotes all different things and I remember from was long lines and in in two volumes >> two paragraphs >> two columns >> two columns yeah then he uh he was just cutting them and pasting them that time was no like computed like today that time >> to publish so they could be able >> to make yeah make a contest and this is from this like a year later make more and from this came out the goes with two volumes started from there then came out with two volume because the first four volumes from is is under they made it not >> right because involved in that >> yeah even leaskin told me excuse that um when they made the okay he told me like they saw before like when Reb told them to make it to go and shuls they took different pieces from to give out to the people then they added on sometimes a little piece from the spoke the the previous faban was not not a booklet was just like and it wasn't the wasn't this the took mad that was mad Then Kakov told them don't do it anymore because Reb has no time for this but they decided to make it you make it bigger and bigger and from this the makes it they started to make a full secret just from the Reb and then it started >> so where are these things printed these >> printed in the first two volumes from liquid >> yeah but the little the little >> in the back they have different pieces >> oh that's the office of alf yeah is that's what it is that's what they about it and he told me once le karaskin that the reborn told he wants they should make my famous yeah okay they started that time today everybody knows like they went in you have then was all the sukim yeah then you have kazal >> they used the different >> to find out when they told me they had something base. I give an example told him not. >> So the was uh educating them. >> Yeah. Yeah. This listen the everything like even even later on little by little how to do it how to how to everything from the taught them how to do it. >> Yeah. So you're you're talking a later period. >> Yeah. I'm talking this was Yeah. That's what it's called. Then they made the two first volumes >> and one of them is maybe the first >> and the other two the other two was >> and from this we took all the every week we took a and we printed it. >> You took the old. >> Yeah. The from the four volumes. >> Ah so so this is the >> Yeah. It it was official organ like was an organization >> yeah was was >> as valu all the secrets that he made out they send it out to people >> that he was running then took it also if you could see the it goes from the other from this park this but that's it was was not continued >> right and even when he was doing it then it was to it was to tap to to spread the so you took the old ones. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But then that's what he did and it came I think um mikin they didn't have a secret anymore in in the four volumes. >> There's no >> there was no secret to to print. >> There's no mik. >> No they they used it already last year. >> Oh we already gave it out. >> Yeah we gave it out already twice. What should we do? They as the Reb said, "Okay, if they give him out, this was the four." The reb was remember and they gave it to the rabbit and they printed made a and this was lamemed t-shirt of lamemed they started to every week a this was K. Mhm. >> Then you have that but then I started. So you were a bach in 770 and >> I was a bak more than this lamemed they opened ocean park they needed then they sent my class >> from to ocean parkway me they didn't send I was out from the from the group I went over to men asked them what's been what's why I'm not in the I'm inh every day night time I'm working but all day I'm in yeshiva but you could do the same thing from ocean park I said yes the same thing I could do in ocean park I could twice a week I could come from ocean park and do it okay let me see took two days and after they told me okay you you also got me the ki and it was a very good year Because we had like this. We had the Picassi one week gash one week gave a sh and was morning and evening every day. It came to us in the morning and came to the evening and >> how how old are you now? >> Uh I'm then 18. >> So there was so then I'm already 20. Yeah. >> 20. But 770 were younger Baham then. Today 770 is only older Baham. But then 770 was young. >> After Newark. After Newark they came to 770. >> But but you're young 19. >> I was 1819. 19 years went to 77. >> Today you're not 18. 770. >> No. Everything like Yeah. Today everything changed. >> Changed. Yeah. >> Even when when I was in Lud. Yeah. They kept us another year in yeshiva in Lud because we're too young to go to to Zo then but we had this dorm from uh from fromabad but it was separate in in Lud >> in L >> and we called it Chedrin >> Chidrin >> why Chedrin >> because in Chadrin was also made in Chadrin before they come to to >> that's what they called it >> they called it >> we had Rabbi Abrahams and u and uh what's his name? Uh um Shiva was u Feldman. What's his name? Zelik Feldman. Zelik Feldman. >> I also had Rabbi Abrams in Miami. >> In Miami, but we had him in we had him in Lud. We had him in Lud. >> Yeah. >> I think Rabbi Abrams is still in Miami. >> Yeah. Yeah. He was very good then. was uh I don't now it's today but uh >> so so you're in Ocean Parkway and but you but you're basically in 770 there twice a week and you're shabas every you came to 770 >> but you didn't see the reb on a day >> during the during the we didn't see the rebl those years did people see the yeah we saw the every time >> so it wasn't like for you you wanted to be in ocean park you're going to miss I mean we went from the Reb why not so could be that's the reason when when you told me two days probably the road to the Reb I don't know that we sending him also I don't know could be >> so what was your job in the what were you doing >> my job in the ises I took care on the mailing because we had start not just this uh in in in Detroit they had like what's his name Kagan J Kagan gave out a tot for the week this was a pamphlet, two pages of >> thought of the thought of the week. >> Thought of the week as they called >> and um Barl Shamto was sending out a lot of them and he had like a from the post office it's probably a special prize a penny. The M said, "Let's do it the same thing." We took it. We had 20,000 people that we send it out every week. >> What's Mayor Blau? He was he was he was typing took the telephone books typing Jewish names and put it in and send it out. Yeah. And we have a lot of coin said I'm not Jewish. I don't need it. >> So no discrimination of who it is. If you have a Yiddish named your name, send it out. Send it to us for the week. Thought for the week. We send >> Oh, the thought of >> thought for the week. We sent 20,000. send just like I remember like um Mik Picausski not what's his name what's works in the library >> zisel picski this pic came every morning to take a thought but me sending you on mail he said no this I want my children to see it comes my at my comes a s from the rabbi but I want it before that reason I'm coming up to take a sik He needs but he needs it in his mailbox. >> And then but then what happened when it stopped? It didn't stop. No, then there was a year that uh the reb stopped to Mia. I don't exactly because uh Rabiel is busy with the Sira not working on the encyclopedia. I don't know what exactly what they started then >> wanted him to work on the >> the Yeah. And then u then they had like three people they worked at the I think that's label shapel and I think what's was involved in that and they they started yeah I I just spoke to Shapiro about it that he said that um they felt that it should be or he said he felt very strongly that it should be he said later when He wasn't ready so involved. They asked the Reba and whether it should be Yiddish oresh. And the Reba said there's no >> but uh Yes. >> Yeah. But the the first volumes of Kadesh it's not so like the Edish is more better >> because even the Edish it's not the Yale did it. I mean that's was SK Gansburg and eski they made the lotion. >> So but how does that work? Rabel typed this made then they typed it with like big spaces between the lines because if the Reb wants to write in Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then they took it and they typed it with the Reb. >> Remember what what did Heski? >> No. Before then then they gave it into a second time another time. They put Mus then they give it to make the lotion better >> to change the Yiddish. >> The Yiddesh. Yeah. To make it more uh >> I mean there's a big difference in the Yiddish and the first Kalakan >> because the first Kalakan was made to Kaza and Schulz, >> right? >> Then it's very but then decided to make it to put into more must be more >> right because yeah they're very >> they're written in a more Yeah. Yeah. And not simple language but more you know for the for the you know for for the people the people talk. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> I remember I [Music] like a once I don't know whatever like and I said it in but I just I said the word all the words from the I said all the words from the I remember someone saying oh I I just was repeating like a parrot you know the the words I read from. So yeah, it's that and um but they were they were involved Hishka Debrski they were involved from the beginning with the with the >> the Yeah. to make the lashion. >> So you so because of all of this you developed a close relationship with Ben. Yeah, I was very close with him. The things like when I when I came Thursday night and I worked at the machine, he came to sit with me and told me stories and stories and stories. Such a short I was like the machine. I didn't pay too much attention them. I didn't know >> what was he telling you like >> stories. Yeah. From from like I remember like two stories. I mean lately I because I told it to people because of sim I told the people like they told me one time the Reb told them in Paris come over to me after me >> and the reb was in in Paris the >> for the mother for the greet his mother in Russia >> he didn't come over said okay after min half an hour later he came over he come to the reb's room and he hears the rebs like said together with us. Yeah. But this was all the time we saw a lot of time by the if the rebas we could know sometimes it wouldn't be a faban because we saw that the reb didn't d even the made all the from ding the didn't d >> so the was turning the pages as if the reb is ding for the minion. Yeah. Or shalom everything wasn't domin. >> Yeah. You could >> and then you knew there's no diamond. We know that wouldn't be a bahan. I remember like it's >> very interesting because the other previous they would in public. >> Yeah. I don't know if they done but they dumped in in the room not not always but yeah I know people told me once that uh they went into Grenade Natan where today there's a sink in Grenada there's a sink down the corner >> and the parliament that's a it's a steam a radiator and the radar is for the grenade natan for the reb's room >> it's a double radiator >> it's no it's not it's one radiator but it goes to the wall but for both they went for kabola Shabas sometimes there to ear the rebal shabas. Even the reb was in >> after the minion. >> Yeah. >> Really? So you could hear the >> they Yeah, that's what they told me. They a few times they >> You never heard anything like this? >> No, I never went to see it. >> Wow. I never knew that. >> No, this told me probably the years earlier that's what he did but later on they didn't do it. Just one time was a story with the to the when they started to build 770 >> the expansion in the >> the first the first Yeah. And then they took off all the walls from the label corner room. Yeah. There was this was the the vibration. >> That was the vibers for when the dead was down for the shalash. >> Shalash. Yeah. >> That was the vibes. >> And then was like steps on top there. Yeah. And there was a a little room there. And when they took off all the panels, the two windows from the Reb was off the >> the windows in the Reb's room behind the desk. >> Yeah. Today for him, one is on Kish, one there was windows. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. And two, they decided they want to hear what what's going on in the Reb's room. They bought a machine this and so it was all story >> and they put a device. >> Yeah. But for me of this >> ah yeah this was a story then but this is people did it today telephone with a telephone they put a match >> put a match in the in the receiver >> it should whatever it's called the >> yeah it shouldn't it shouldn't trying to hang up. So he could hear the >> So he can hear the intercom. >> Yeah. >> Have the technology then. Yeah. >> You see it intercom probably they had. >> Yeah. But that's the story with these things. So, so it's interesting that so Ben like knew the >> he knew >> well from like from >> he told me once even that uh he told the rabbi told them 3:00 you should come over to my room >> this in Paris >> in Paris. Yeah. Then he went went to the room knocked on the door no answer. He went downstairs in the street. This is the rabbit comes. Reb is coming to hog at the dry za. There was probably outside a big clock on the in the street something that's not dry. 2 minutes or three. I mean I thought 3:00 it's 2 minutes or three. That's two stars. I remember that. >> And the was mid in time. No. >> Yeah. >> Was it always the same time? Um when asked him upstairs. Yeah. >> So whenever came out >> quarter after three was min depends sometimes it was a guy ser that he made basi. Yeah. He was printing like for on shas. >> Okay. So so he was the publisher of that. >> Yeah. He took the ext and he went into the reb and he was and sometimes like it's uh he was there like he came in at 2:00 or the 2:30 he was staying even longer than then didn't come out from >> he had an open door. Yeah, that would come out and some Yeah, even that's I think I don't know if also or Elberg but I don't remember if Elberg did it but him I remember a lot of times like but like this Monday and Thursday the Rebe came about 5 to 10 from the house and went out for came to >> huh to upstairs came and he was standing there and after he had like then tim that's the boim >> would switch the tims. >> Yeah. The beginning put one but when it started more boim everybody wanted >> everybody wants to have the used >> then was a gale we should put it down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This was for uh for for this for shisb came in sitting on the table right by the this was standing by the then he closed the door had a cup the reb was sitting I mean the but came in with the go in his hand >> yeah it's interesting >> the put the I remember one time the rabbit started to the go then he put he took two goggles the rabbit put on both of Yeah. >> Yeah. I thought he put one inside. No, he put both of them and put them. >> It's very interesting because those years the Reba wasn't daming downstairs. >> No. >> But once in a while when he did, let's say there was a children's rally, the Reb would walk down whatever come downstairs holding the gal and only put it on when it came to his place. >> The place. >> It's interesting because later when the starting then came in ready wearing the G. So I don't know what the >> Yeah, they came. No, but it's interesting. We bim at the bim like ephosal was empty my time >> there was no bakim in the small >> no eal was empty people didn't want to stay in front of the rabbi >> you say when the rabb dabbed I mean when the rabb >> was hiding from the rabbi >> yeah all they stayed outside in in the hallway >> so people didn't want to be next to the >> next I don't know why >> you don't want the to look you Yeah, I remember I have I had one friend that he was standing by the be see in front I mean from the be nobody was was the front he was standing by the >> from the bim in the middle all the way to the end of the z it's empty >> no from the be to the to the to meas >> that piece >> yeah that that whole quarter whatever that quarter of the room whatever half the room >> was empty empty from people yeah just what's standing there maybe sometimes people came balatim they stand there also But I had one friend that he was saying come to not ashamed to say I don't know what the other I'm standing there I'm watching myself in everything not to do a not to do this because I know the reb will see me >> that whole style changed later >> yeah that's when they started came they was standing there then >> you the later generation >> later this probably didn't dam that smelled like a guy and someone said >> no tish when I came I'm talking >> they didn't know that they don't >> no like when the reb came from the house and the reb came from the from the oil you didn't have no outside and I remember someone asked why you doing it like this mean >> someone as This person is giving the the explanation. >> Yeah. Why? Why you standing there? Tell him you can't >> And it's interested that no near David Rasin's room in the middle is a toilet. >> Bathroom. Yeah. >> A bathroom. Yeah. Then when the Reb got the aliyah Monday and Thursday, he made sure that the door is locked. It's closed. >> The door to the not the bathroom near the omelet. No, near the omelet is a is a door. Yeah. >> Yeah. That door should be closed >> cuz everyone want to see >> because of the toilet and that was open all the time. >> Huh. >> That bathroom used to be accessible. >> No, the even the bathroom it's far away and it's closed. But even now they have like all opening it. It was it was open piece completely. >> Yeah. But open that way. >> Yeah. And this was a snow like Yeah. >> One of the integral components of being a are whether it's or these days give us an opportunity to connect with our to connect with each other and be better. What is the story behind each of these days? 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So I don't know in the this is one of the earliest they had >> and he brought it he brought it into the rebre's room. Then the rebi went out with that to the shore >> downstairs. >> No upstairs no upstairs. I'm talking not not tuner. I'm talking Morocco. >> Oh okay. I'm I'm confused with the difference. Yeah, that's that's what's I remember I was I was in in ready on my place for for the fab and all of a sudden the reb comes down the reb with pins onki go with goes to the front puts in >> so I remember that story but this brought to the room took it >> why did he why didn't he bring a potato from Morocco. >> He bought I don't think he bought a cafeteria for the Reb. >> Okay. It was written there. >> I don't think it was written there. It's from a whole cafeteria there. And he brought it in. He gave it to the rabbit. The rabbit took it out, put it into the kadesh. Then they said and the rabbi got on it. After they put it in, they sim went back to his room. A few minutes later, Leon comes out with I $10 bill. Give it to Mipsk. You should uh make a little buy some in a little. Okay. I took over my film. It was after Musaf. I sat down by the table by the window. Said that's the the Reb's room. The Reb going to the Zal. You have the table in the back of meas then another table of here by the window. How was anybody in there? And was taking off his talis all of a sudden label corner comes in with the reb chair and he runs with them and he comes with sto one table two tables by the by the windows. Yeah. And he puts it there in front of the first table. Okay. Then we know the reb comes in and we're looking. The Reb comes in. He walks in. Was a table and a bench. Yeah. And this was the table right over here. I mean, you can't go through because it's a bench there. The driver comes to the bench. You can't go in. It's a sharper was standing there. He tried to to pick up the bench. I told him, "No, no, no." Went at the went on the bench. Went in. He sat down near me. I was standing there. I was sitting here. I said I want to get I can't do it. What what what I'm doing here? Then the rebu is calling you came came from here and I pushed away this one and he said on here the reb sitting and he was sitting over here near the reb and he put up for the also a little for the after he said could And people came from all over was jumping on the table was >> these things didn't happen in those years that such a thing >> all of a sudden they said I remember that what's the many wolf run to bring a tape recorder I think they have fim they have a tape from it if I'm not mistaken so I was like uh a special thing like this >> a few time things like that happen like Oh, same here. the same lag b I remember I was standing in the back by the table the table the swim the window that's the table I was standing by the window there right after the rabbi started to walk to the cades then people make made a line went when went came into the table sat down and started the minim and people remember that the door was closed was knocking the door open. Then people opened the door and went in but said he went back to his room. This was this was of >> also before your times. >> Yeah. >> Was also one time with SMA told me this story. Don't which year was it? SAT I remember he was standing by the sink at the back of the hallway in the sink and he's washing his hand and someone knocks him on his back like this turns around the called nine people the Reb closed the door and he said the >> was that >> no no no this was a shab morning >> I think it was awhat if I'm not mistaken and uh after this told me to make from the sid I read was a surprise was no was a guy brand without a beard made a cup he was sitting by the table was sitting there with the New York Times and he he cop I think that is he made but he helps out >> maybe it was not his wife works in the community council even now I don't know where he is now I I didn't see him for a while >> I don't know if he wrote but he helped him I think was there also that time I'm not sure but think is he was there >> was another time you Tesamos I think was it also middle of the day was also fab and then because of Mo feller with >> and I think >> they went to camp >> Moshe went to camp and what else they were going from Australia they were there the told them to stay and all of a sudden 1:00 we were sitting and learning >> they went to Ben Brri camp >> yeah he went to yeah we were sitting in in the learning all of a sudden people run me vul where you running then people because when when it was went out all the went out also to the >> usually people didn't go out for the valley of the bahim but when the rebba went >> no when the reb went out people went out also >> mhm >> yeah and it's more than this when the reb came back the there was a a quart with water outside the rushes in the reb then went into the zal and said Josh Israel seven times every time a different chair a different place. So the town was empty then not the rebbit but the rebbit went out then people went in >> saying so that time people thought there was then everybody went r went downstairs I remember it remember the reb went down to to the >> I from someone else that was in Montreal when was it >> you test >> yeah right after you test >> someone from Montreal told me that >> this was the end of the shock from That's the mentioned that. >> Yeah. And someone from Montreal told me that they were on a they were getting on a bus to go back to the sh in Montreal. They were there from for then someone came and told them this. They all ran off the bus, left the bus and ran ran back to 770. >> And I remember two B don't mention the names there. One Ber lived across the street of 770. 676 is on Parkway. >> Which one? >> One Ber >> in the building >> 676. There was a building across the city of 770. He lived there. >> Not 676. >> 767. >> 768. >> 767. 767. And uh he lived there. And the other ber told them, "Okay, yeah, I'm coming over to you. We'll go together to manet. I don't know where to go." >> And the rebels were downstairs and they came across the street. They went down to the to the subway and they left. They didn't know. So these things uh >> it was like a small >> and in those years you had you had every every year for your birthday >> and just the first two years then they stopped it mean and I had was already no more for this afterwards. But not not your they didn't let me let us anymore. They didn't let me >> I thought that it was much later in the laments that stopped. >> No, I remember that. Then I went in for before my I went in and then before I had the schol I went again. >> People used to go into the when the wife was pregnant that was a sed before. Yeah. >> In the ninth month. >> Yeah. So there's a seda that when your wife's in the ninth month, you have that's a way that they let you in. It's not >> saying if you ask. >> Yeah, that's like this. I want to >> it's not so famous. So what happened in the like what was the what would happen in the of >> you just go in 9 months make all the children give you a and that's it and they went out >> and is for your >> okay I went with my father >> what year did you get married >> I got married and I said interesting I'm talking about my marriage the Day of my uh my was >> Your wife was in New York. >> Yeah, she came to New York before. Yeah. A year before. >> She was living here. >> Yeah. She's by a cat by my by her sister. >> She lived by her sister. >> Yeah. Then this was mine. The Reb came back from the oil. Reb told to gave over if they'll give him to to Yale if he'll give him back the the and didn't have it. I mean he gave it to the reb two two three years before. >> Ah so he all right he didn't have another copy. So he gave the two years he made a whole >> Yeah. He gave it to the deba said, "I'll do it now." But he didn't have it because he already gave it in. >> Yeah. Yeah. Then it was sitting together with label Shapiro. Yeah. And they just wrote it back in and they gave it in. >> They rewrote the whole thing. >> Then he came then he came to my to my and it was sitting all nighting. I I think I still have it on recording. >> Very interesting. >> Very nice. was something special because then it was >> today it's already translated into English. >> English. Yeah. Um but then then then see my my share was not alive anymore and my mother also not alive and my mother-in-law was here with and she came into meas and my father. So your and your father and my father interest that's we didn't ask too much things there and then the day from the also my father was there gave him a and then gave him the sed said >> yeah so it's interesting that um saying you you ended up uh a lot of people the story ends when they're at Baka but you were in 770 all the years. >> Yeah. >> See >> I was all the years 770. >> You always domin 770. >> Yeah. >> Travis. >> Yeah. Always. I mean there's ba? >> No. No. When you're married when you >> No. Okay. When my children were older a little bit. Yeah. 770 you couldn't d with them then like two sha bosim I went to different ch to d with them they should sit down and d normal yeah and to >> you say there >> yeah they should see >> probably for sure 770 even like this they came for us and everything like I took my children once a year was shash. Yeah. And even my daughter, she's she was she became 12 keeper. I took to to go >> and her friends said, "Why my father didn't think about this to take me to to Yeah, I guess people embarrassed. They don't want to go." >> What is it? It's like a night to go to the Why not? Even I have like it's a someone told me, "Oh, I saw a video of you with your daughter by Kosha." The Reb is smiling to her. So, yeah, let me see. That was my my other daughter, the second daughter. Then I went over and the Reb gave me gave her and the Reb smiled to her and Reb told us to drink then stopped. Yeah. on me and I thought to drink it in a video even was kind of like special attention to the fact >> special attention >> I guess it was unusual. Yeah. >> Yeah. Unusual. >> So you had the uh not everyone had the to know that >> no people didn't think about this thing to go to the >> so what were you thinking? >> I don't know. I'm saying I guess I guess what I'm trying to understand is a lot of people that were here you know obviously some people are not so they're not so into it whatever okay that's but direct for some reason you had um special insight to know that you have to be 770 you have to be >> so >> even my children I took the old shabas for they were all fabanging Even the big uh the fab the small children I took him like till there was like after the my was like people went over to the rabbit took like three quarters of an hour then I just took him home and the small ones the and the big >> little kids >> yeah I took all my little >> I have little kids I'm trying to understand how this works um >> they were staying there but they and then and they were quiet they were they were playing on the floor they were seen they've seen again they weren't bothering you ah No, they were sitting quietly. They got a little older than then the last years the people were saying sitting by the Reb. >> Yeah, the kids. >> Then they went just to sit there by the >> but like this they were by me >> even like even keeper for the for the for the marshal marsh from the >> m >> I took like sham. Yeah, I took him. He was two two years two and a half years I took him to come to N. You >> so you brought them to the home. Your two-year-old. >> I bought them. Yeah. I bought them to see the rest of the the marsh. >> It's amazing. >> No, it's amazing. There's a lot of There's a lot of people. >> Yeah. Depends. It's a It's to do it. >> I did it. There's a lot of people that even if they lived in Crown Heights, let's say if they were born later, not necessarily were they around by the a lot because like their parents not shleing a little baby to to >> like look when they sold seats in 770 for keeper. >> Yeah. I was there watching them to do it. Then I told them, why don't you put benches at the rabies be for fabang? You could sell there also places. >> So you had an idea at the south. >> I have an idea that there was was pins with m with lips with the yank lip. Okay. They put benches. Then I looked, okay, I want this this bench. I won by the by the rebime the first the first one I took like mish by the by the could see the be the b from the reban for the for kas took the first se and my children they were sitting on the by the table then they know till today I mean I show them yi ley they all they know my my daughters they know the kas because they were sitting on the table from the fabingan and they saw it no push no pushing no Thank >> you talking about up on the on the platform of the >> on the platform from the reb for the faban and that the reb the rabbit's table for the faban they were sitting on the table >> okay I I didn't understand you told your idea was sell benches >> make benches on the platforms that's another seating area for >> and if you're there you push it right next to the raet kids >> yeah then I bought then I bought a seat but two seats I bought for me and my children have another seat also or that they should uh run around about two seats like that. So but but you were al you also running a business the whole time when you were when you were no depends like no I was after I finished the like I was married the baby then told me it was still a z was a >> yeah told It's a salary for them >> to look for something. >> I came there in and out. But uh then I went I worked for Jacobson in Adar. >> Oh, you work there. >> Oh yeah. The office administration did the office. I worked for him and stories from him. I'll tell two stories for him. What he told me about the Fred AB when the Fred came here to pess in the port was no sedo was m big >> and he came to New York >> when they came. Yeah. But the cabalas pony was not not a mud cabalas pony was very okay. Then the reb went to porak to Simpson's house. >> There's a video of this. >> It's on video. this. >> Yeah. Yeah. But he went to he went to park to see and then Jacobson went up to the Fra came up there. Why was no said listen I just came two three years ago over here but you have the city with axel rod with I don't want an answer. Why do you have a question? >> Why is there a question? >> Why is there a question? Mean answer means you have a question and you give an answer on it. While I don't always mean something was wrong in the office or something I told him this they told me told me this world then he told me another word. told me once the vid gave him money to uh not a deposit I don't know what he took the money and he went out the vid called him the sales in sh you're not counting it he said I'm not trusting the reb was always talking like this with the end said no maybe I gave you more and you have to give me back so you have to count money has not to do with I gave you less maybe I gave you more you have to give it back to There's a there's a story that said money. >> Yeah. >> Money I mean translates to it. Money likes to be have a >> Yeah. >> It's interesting. And um so there and then later you started your um later you started the the printing. >> Yeah. It was much later much later. I worked the different what for old man I worked a while later later on I worked the painting. Yeah. >> And were you about these different things that you were doing? You wrote to the deb about this >> everything. Yeah. Everything about wrote no I just spoke to someone two days ago about when I bought my house. It's also a story with my house. >> The house that you live in now in Empire. >> Yeah. Before Before I bought this house, I looked for a different house with Shabbra at houses. You know sh >> I know but explain please explain what it is. >> It was after the spoke about not not going out from the fromites was all for the was >> started the whole campaign not to leave. >> Yeah. But the reboke alligber wanted to print it in he had a monthly journal >> journal but a >> yeah for then and they went in there from there it went into then the the people decided that Reb the Reb said he'll give $500. Yeah. And whoever gives $500 could get a dollar from it. Whoever gives $500 want $500 >> to open to open open a company to buy the houses that the wanted a corporation that's going to buy up all the houses that people want to >> sell them back to to >> No, instead sell it to a to sell it to the Yeah. Then gave $500 and everybody should whoever will give $500, he'll get $1 from the 500. Yeah. Then they operate the company they call it Chevro and what they call it Chevbo they call it and was there people they don't know real estate. Yeah they bought bought houses one family two family houses they bought it and they kept it. Yeah but no people to buy it and a little bit >> the corporation bought it. Yeah, the corporation bought it and then they went to the houses. People went in there, they didn't pay rent and then they rented out and when I want to buy a house. Yeah. I looked one house of Shabbra. It was only there for $16,000. How much? >> 1616. >> Yeah. >> $16,000. >> Yeah. I'm talking >> How much is that today? I'm talking uh what 30 30 38 is more 37 years ago. >> No, more than that. >> What year you talking about? >> Yeah, I'm talking I'm talking depends because I bought it later on but uh I bought it lame. I bought my house but this is Was it >> talking about 40s? 40 >> 40. Yeah. >> So you're able to buy a house >> from $60,000. Yeah. >> And this house was my 2 million. No. >> Okay. I'll buy the house and I'll make it like one family because bought the house on Carol Street. >> Mhm. >> Then I could buy a neighbor from them. I'll buy the house and I'll make also like one family and I have a house. >> You make a two family. >> No, for a two family. Make it a one family. >> Why? Whatever. Okay. >> Yeah. To make it a small houses, not big houses. I mean, >> okay. >> Okay. But that two two couples lived there. They didn't pay rent. They didn't well they poor people out of them but they they didn't parent and then I I told her about the house the rebber wrote me castas a career if I want to buy the house if my if my wife wants to buy is I'm asking for it then the two people >> I never heard such an answer >> listen they they the two people they didn't want to go out and this to throw him out where will they will leave the property the poor people said put it on my head I don't want it >> okay >> you didn't have they didn't have work didn't >> then I didn't buy the house but then I looked at other house then I found out the shab that raot is now in Wisconsin where isot the father the father yeah >> yeah in Wisconsin >> it was then going to Texas in by Mlan. >> He wants to sell his house. >> But he lived in Karnite. >> Yeah, he lived in K where I live 609 Empire. >> Okay. >> Then I I called him up Shab said, "Yeah, tomorrow is the open house." Yeah. First come, first save. I'm not going up the price. The price is $59,000. Said, "Okay, what time come?" 8:00. Okay. I was there 5 to8. I came say I want to I came 5 to8. I looked at the house. After me came ready, three other couples came to buy the house. But I was first. Okay. Look, I was like, okay, I'm ready for like that. >> Before you get to continue trying to understand the business part of it, you there was a houses available for $16,000, but you wanted to buy a house for $59,000. >> That's like this was a year later or two years later. >> By that time already >> No, but then see the different house there you can't live like this. You have to put in $100,000 to it at least to make it good. >> But there was right >> at the house I could just move in and not even not painting. >> Okay. >> Okay. He told me okay your first butt. Tell me about what's the but my brother-in-law is looking on our house also. He looks at this house and looks another house on Crown Street. He wrote into the Reb which house he should buy. If the Reb told him to buy this house is first. If the Reb told him to buy crown street you are first on this house said okay I'll wait till get answer from the reb went by two weeks didn't get an answer and he he wants to move out and to go to Texas I mean he called me up said my brother gets doesn't get an answer you ride into the rebels it's like a big I have only four children but I could have guessed in that I got this told the reb it's it's close to this but you all details to the reb then where is it that this son is misra where this one comes in you all >> you the whole >> detailed >> the whole report >> that time you told the reb that's the way >> you someone this is a cabal >> yeah no that people told me >> by the way I have a letter we're we're recording in my parents house I have a letter from my mother to the Reba like you're saying she wrote to the Reb about buying this house all the details exactly all herb is why she wants why she does why she doesn't want this house >> I know I know my friend told me they wanted to you buy a car you buy a blue or green >> but but you wanted answer those things >> didn't said me on the house yeah I should buy it >> and the same time got an answer. I should buy the other house and the Reb to him to him school. >> Yeah. Watch on the house from 6 to 9. Leave it for Will. Don't don't mix into it. >> Was telling him that buying your house shouldn't >> buy this house but leave the Wilhelm buy. >> Yeah. since then I live there >> and I had a lot of guests since then my my house without a gay >> since I lived there over 10,000 people went through my house sleeping >> and uh so you're saying what you what you wrote to the >> yeah it's the big house because I could have >> it's more than this like a friend of mine told me listen I'm getting older and Uh I also had guests and my wife said listen let's start might make it nicer and rent it out mean for uh for for a day for two days for three days then I told my wife maybe do the same thing said no no no we told the rabbi with the guest we're not charging money for it >> saying it's a it's by the way that's in I don't know what the told you in your when you got I don't know if you remember but you could tell tell me about a lot of times the rabbi would speak about the house that it should be >> I have it written down I told my >> told my parents because my father wrote down also said that um should be a house of spreading like you're building you're building a house it's it's just you know >> so that was I mean in Crown Heights that was a big part of living in Kanes was the arim that you would host. >> Yeah. >> Whether it's family, whether it's other people. >> No, I I have like they were in Thailand by my nephew. They came to me. >> Yeah. Before they didn't have no Yiddishi came the first time they stay my house to two weeks. They became formed completely like I have I have a bo that came that when it was my house he bought the hat with the jacket and everything today is a >> but started in my house like it's a part of my >> and it's an interesting thing that people don't realize I mean it's a little different times when I grew up we always had guests and there's also stories like that people that I know that the first shabas was here the people used to send from and from they would send Bakim here or the pagisha whatever. So it was just an interesting thing that there's a interest there's a not so much spoken about part that the people in Crown Heights >> Yeah. >> took on took on as part of the mission. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like this >> and when it came to the your businesses you also wrote to there's also questions about what to do. It was not questions. I mean, no, just I have this and this offer. Should I take it? And then I said yes. >> So, you didn't do a business deal without asking the >> No, I didn't. See, I mostly I worked. You see, after I finished by uh by what's by by Rob Jacobson, me and Zat, we open up in the store. >> That store on on >> was it was store in Queens. >> Queens. We had it for two years but it didn't go work out. We stopped it. After this I went I worked for uh Rabbi Waldman >> the one from the Rashi. >> Yeah. Also story of me but a separate story with him with Russia. And uh >> what was his business? >> Diamonds >> in Manhattan. >> But yeah he had like a specialty in diamonds. Not everybody has like when when I went into work I have to sign that I'm not telling the secret what we do there to know >> secret recipe >> h say yeah it's a secret recipe that if the old diamond industry was the only one that doing it then everybody brought the stones to him to do it. >> Mhm. No, because he didn't do it then. >> Every Yeah. The first the first the first and the last in the middle was the when started that year was printed they printed they and the said they should learn everybody should learn the par who never learned but was this all thenist said nob didn't say two parb didn't say then run into the reb should know that a lot of people coming just because of the rash >> yeah I heard that I heard that there were non labavatur >> started coming to because of the rash >> they heard that the explaining yeah >> so soman >> that he told it to the reb that they came because of this then the reb should continue and there was the rebu this >> so that's how he became the person from the >> no this I don't know if they became but I don't know if people knew about this people didn't didn't know about this then was a story within lamemed you heard the story once >> yeah but you could you should say it yeah >> yeah till then was the because it he told the reb what's his name? uh old man that it was a good idea to tell the people which Russia is talk then we could prepare >> then Kadakov Shis was standing by the office by the meas with the yeah >> no before the reb came in from from the house said if there was a faban the rabbi turned around to him and told them to come came over and told him during this rash and he opened up and he looked which Russia this was like a year to two years like this come in tell him which it is >> yeah and then they went downstairs and he was standing on the table okay >> so that's how everyone knew that there's going to be If you think they announced that there's going which which it is. >> Yeah. Was it like I don't remember which year was it already? it but we're talking if today could talk on this and this then a ber heard that they said oh this he went over right to and told them okay nobody knows nothing >> so these were saying they between them >> they said if there would be would speak this other bak hears him saying it and he runs he told him he wanted to be the first But wasn't there? >> No, no, no. >> Yeah. And then he went downstairs. The Rebbit turned around like angry looking and said, "Bos." Then uh they stopped. It was 10:00. Yeah. They stopped till 10:20. They didn't d >> Yeah. And uh what's his name? Ding until till we know which then went over to >> which said this went to the then a ber came >> this ber. >> Yeah. And he told told I don't I don't remember if the went up to the be was something. >> I think I heard that he went over to the >> Yeah. wentb said not talking about you like the >> like knew this guy wasn't the culprit. There someone behind it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I guess the kavana was to the two bakim that were >> whoever. Yeah. And then no the shabas after was the said the old thing for the rashes because Jews asked them to the rashes and them and because of him then and why what say >> that all the rashes that he does the rashes because asked him to the rashes and he should because of him I'm saying the rashes and why this and Since we spoke about the Russia, I'll speak I'll I'll I'll say already something about this Russian >> since it was announced that I will explain this in a so I'm going to I will >> I will and >> even those last week's passion and the said and he said also this >> you're saying that's when it became famous that Waldman is the person that >> no then then Waldman wrote it to the Reb I never told to announce it. I just want to know for myself. The Rebot the Reb. I don't >> like he felt bad that this whole story happened. >> I didn't want the announce it. I wanted for myself. I wanted >> I thought he said for the people. >> Huh? >> I thought he he told the for the people. >> No, for the people. Then then the rabbit then not show me anymore. He came always over. >> You saying after that story >> he came over >> became more official I guess. >> Yeah. He came he came and the rabbit told them which Russia did this and sometimes like the rabbi told Thursday told the rabbit the Russia or Friday bomine typed it up and they hang it up on the wall. >> Oh sometimes it was before >> yeah I still have the the notes that >> the notice that >> I think I see I have it someplace and that's what then we started >> to save these type of things. Yeah, I say I saved a lot of things. If I still have Yeah. Some >> they collect you collect. >> I collect a lot of stuff, but I had a lot of nav also in my house. >> What do you have in your house? >> Uhhuh. >> Marshall. >> I don't remember. They took out so many things people took. >> Oh, people all your guests already took them from you. >> The guest? Yeah. Bim came. They took then I said, you know what? We found someone that takes more stuff. I went everything I took it to book told him, listen, scan it. You should have it. And if people will steal it and they >> How did you get all this stuff? >> Then uh I got mean I was collecting from different people. >> I got it. >> No, no, no. I didn't got it from nobody. No, listen. That time that time when I was the 788 784 is open offices like Yeah. They were going to enter the room all the >> Yeah. Everybody could come take the book and go and go away with whatever he wants. Was open open thing >> in the library upstairs. It was in 788 >> not library was not just the the room there. Then after this it went to the like when Shazar came to Shinov the Reb's room was full with him from the from the window mish was on the floor on paper was piled of what the reb got for him it was by him then they is going to come then the reb went Friday it to the oil the whole story with gathering from to gain tunish to uh you know what I mean? >> I know the story but I want you to say it. >> Uhhuh. No. That they put pressure on Shazar shouldn't go to >> they his his people didn't want they didn't want Shazar the president of Israel go to the they wanted the to come to Shaz and they asked the go to the Yeah. >> Yeah. Then went to the oil then took and they cleaned up the thing. So then there was a message sent to Shazar. >> No, the Reb came back. I don't know. They support him. This I don't know how >> the Reb said he'll go to ask and that was the end of it. >> Yeah. But I know. Yeah. But but but then >> so then Shazar came. >> Yeah. Because probably when he came back they told the Reb the Reb told it to me. >> But okay. Just um the historical part of it. Shazar came before but this was the first time he came as president. >> President. Yeah. >> As the president. So >> yeah, the president they came there >> and then then >> they clean out the room. Then labon took boim. They took all this form. They put it in the library. Now in the basement was no library then. Was just lab yod had their office there >> that in that building >> that building that they cleaned up the room. But what I'm talking I don't remember what I want to tell you about this. You're saying that all these and things that was laying there then probably went there also but but then like yeah they all different things with and label was in I asked him could take this take yeah I could take it it's interesting but the label with he decided he wants to make a list of anist >> yeah list of >> like a phone book >> an I'm telling you an list Yeah, he made it. It was It was not a booklet. It was pages 8 by 11. >> Why did you want to do that? >> Huh? >> What was the point? >> People should know who who lives there, who lives there. Telephone, everything. >> A service for the community. >> Yeah. For community anist. >> I never Okay. I never understood >> and later was called the >> listen listen. Yeah. >> He went to the rebro back, who are you to decide who is a nash and who is not an It's a list. Yeah. You deciding who is an Yeah. then they change it s list. That's it called s list. H people don't know but I remember >> it's very interesting because I remember I don't want to discuss any politics over here but this happened like 20 years ago so people forgot about it. There was a competition to the once upon a time and and they called it a nationalist. >> That's what they called it. That's very interesting that that said not to use that name >> not not to use who are you to decide who is a nash and who is not >> among is brought to you by we live in a chaotic world a world where for us is au we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis yet we know that theb is very much with us andad is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. [Music] Provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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Yeah. people people write matas today you know they write >> I don't know what's a mush what's some of them some of them may I see it says of the >> yeah okay that's depend you have you have a lot of people you don't know who they are and there for not for and from the >> right >> yeah because they're not an yeah they're not but from the >> like I you can't know where mention you don't know who is the rabbis people who is not the people no but that's interest the list that's written it called list >> people don't know but uh but then is on was on the third floor and s was on the second floor >> their office was in 788 >> yeah David Rasin Castell and >> before they bought that building >> and okay Not even the fault were there all the time. They were there all the time. The building there, the library, the office was not there. Later on, maybe David Russ went there. Yeah. But the office was uh up there and I went into toki talking this and this and with some tell me could take then I took a lot of stuff from me. There were apartments in that building also. >> Uh yeah, there was apartments in this building. And then you see like when they started to build 770 Klein, they bought the buildings. You know which client I'm talking? >> The one that uh that paid for 770. >> Yeah. What's his first his first name? was without a beard. Like basic >> Oh, Aaron Klein. Yeah. >> Then he decided was a week before. >> What's the whole story? Aaron Klein bought I'm not clearing the whole thing. >> He bought 788 784 784 78. >> He paid for it. It was under his name. >> He bought the building here. He bought it. >> He bought it for Yeah. for he bought it and he decided they have to make the show bigger. How to make the show bigger? We we taking off the apartment. We're taking off the basement and then becomes a big uh room. Then was there two old ladies living there? And there was also apartment for the yeshivorator par for him. He had then was a week before week before he decided he brought a few workers. Let's start to to break. I I don't I don't can you can you explain me the dynamics why why would >> no he decided by himself everything say you're allowed to do such a thing then >> what >> basically it was it wasn't going to happen unless someone did it so he went and did it >> yeah they decided I don't think they told the rabbis making bigger I don't know what he did exactly >> was his project >> and he called pure workers he brought and they started to break the first floor of 780 784 for you the first building and two two old ladies were living there and pa but I don't care take out your stuff I don't need it he cleaned up the first floor cleaned up everything yeah and made it clean then he has to take off the wall the wall from uh to to 770 >> there's a wall in between two buildings >> ah it's two walls it's the wall from 770 >> and the wall from the building they're in between was like a little uh space in between them. Yeah. Then it took off the it took off the wall from uh from the building. Yeah. Till the basement. Yeah. Then it took off the the because the basement wall was a cement wall with stones. But the top is just bricks. Then he took it off. Then it took off also from 770. Then it became like a big room. But you had you had two walls. >> Mhm. >> Two little because it's cement walls and this stayed there. This was already by the time it was sukus or yeah was sukus. If both people they should take off the cement wall and okay before this let me tell Roshash was still a little small wall from 770 and from that then people stand on top there they could see everything was because this the the the shellash was very small you can't say so many people there stand there on top you could see the rebay said everything there was then a picture from from Arabian the stands by the gives the you could see it's a small the wall is broken it's a wall you saw the picture yeah >> and then was sukas or I don't remember when was it decided we have to take up the wall we have to open up for for sukus then the bin we went we started to break the walls We took we metals big big pipes metals boom boom we took like >> but it had you know wasn't a a support wall of >> no it was like half a wall >> the top is the top is open completely >> so you knew the building is not going to collapse >> we took up the two the two little walls I think I remember they went from the the building from third floor from the go said the start that >> but we walked out we took it off the walls. Yeah. And uh then was one big room but then you see it didn't take an architecture to see exactly what's going on. That mean the building three floors doesn't have any support was open open wall support but I don't know if right after they put the they put the the beams >> the beams but this there was open like >> the beams go all the way through the whole building. >> Yeah they upstairs >> they weren't original beams. >> No no they made it then. No, it depends in inside the small beams. >> But the big if you see by >> there big beams, >> two beams from the one from Shalash >> like three ft after this is another beam that's for the building. >> Mhm. >> Then the beams inside there are the four beams that that's this was this was the this was holding the the floors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And there was no s was I remember like it was the dust was so much dust there from from everything >> construction >> construction was no light light was just a few bulbs there yeah but the sh is big now I was standing there and the reb at was lemin was white from dust tomorrow he came with a new Yeah, >> I remember it. >> It's like falling down, >> huh? >> Was just in the air. >> Everybody was every everybody's head was full toss my >> but then took they didn't do nothing till uh after yat >> you just stayed like that >> stayed like this just the beam they made but then after yat they uh they builded the first uh the first part >> and then there was a construction later. Yeah, >> this is the this the second construction. So, so it's interesting that uh it's interesting how how it worked then. There was I mean I don't know if it changed much but uh there was no like >> they say they said I heard from the secretary. >> Yeah. When they build the base the shalash they finish the sh with the vib. Yeah. There and the toilet there. The rabbit told them they should put the mirror by the by the by the toilet >> for the woman. >> I understood that there was a time that the there was no bathroomal in the women's the women's section at a certain time. >> All right. Yeah. It's everything like that. >> Did they ever spoke once about the fact that This was the anos from all the I remember was no Tanya Tanya couldn't find a 770 there's no way to find a Tanya maybe two they left Tanyas what's the name gave a shir and Tanya upstairs every Monday and Thursday >> for the Baham >> for the Bim then there was a few Tanyas that they have there the B their own Tanyas but I remember like Isaac Popak yeah he bought like 10 20 but shal Isaac Popak Even the the tim was from publishing not few but the publishing the same tim but there's no gab that were taking care of this >> oh taking from what but they are neos no it was was the people didn't have money then to buy these things to >> no one had money in the village >> yeah to think about these things people didn't think about these things >> and then saying in the Americas there was no money either. >> Yeah, they didn't have money then was like this remind story with me. Yeah, I was I have my was in it was then we decided one that the garden in front of 770 by the rabbis room the small garden is was a garden but the other piece was full stones and everything was no god said it then the p should be like this we have to make something then we went down down Brooklyn Avenue and a nursery from the gardens. We bought the grass, carpet grass. We bought some bushes. We told them to leave 770 and they put it in the big garden. When the reb went on after mean 10 10:00 10:30, we took some uh tools. We started to clean up the place. We put grass grass this we put flowers there. But now they have the flowers there. >> Yeah. >> Bushes and the brick. >> Yeah. Now it's brick. But then there was no breaks just we put there some uh that was the morning people came wow wow it's looking like two days later Julinsky calls me over the rabbitson saw it she liked it very much who did it he said the ba did it would he do in my house the same thing >> I'll ask him okay he came over to me asked me of this you want to do it Okay, I'm ready to do it, but I don't want to be a mushbach. I'm ready to do the car, but I don't have to do something with the house. >> You said >> I told to yud >> that you'll do it, but >> but not with the I don't know have to do with the house. I'm I'm ready to >> saying you you don't want to be become a mushbach >> again. I don't >> It's always like I'm saying this is okay. But then she told me she doesn't want too much be big bushes. >> Talk to the about it. >> No. No. Everything. >> She wanted with big bushes because she's afraid people will hide behind it. Okay. would make small bushes and this and then um I went like 7:00 after the seder I went I put the sprinkler for the water in the summer I'm talking yeah and u 9:30 at night I went over I closed it and then I took the O and I on the driveway on top all the bushes there I went with the O and I put the I sprinkle I put water there and then I finished it and I went back to 770 like this I did every day one day I went with a friend of mine, Narim Kasanski. I went and uh we were doing the bushes and the rabbitson comes up with the car, goes into the garage. >> She was driving. >> Yeah. Okay. She goes in from the garage. She went in from the back. She went into the house. Okay. I said, "Okay." And we continue to do the bushes and this all of a sudden we hear steps when people are going turn around the rebbit. She bought the rabbit from 77 that night and they stopped by us. They looked on us like this a minute and they went downstairs and they went into the house where the where the was you were without your uh >> without the jacket. >> Your hat and jacket >> like this was another time >> the rabbit would drive the rabbit home sometimes. Okay, let me tell you the way it work. >> You were about to say another story. So remember what you were going to say. >> Yeah. Okay. Let me tell before this. It's one time calls me out middle by the rabbitson by the garage the light. We have to change a bulb and it's too dark at night. The rabbitson doesn't like when it's dark. Could you go over change the bulb? It's a it's a box laying there with this. You don't have to do nothing. Just stay on the box, take off the belt, put >> Were there people in the house doing these things? >> I don't know. I'm just telling you what they told me. Okay. I run over there. I saw it. I took the bulb. I put in the new bulb and I walk to walk out. She's by the window. She tell me in Thank you for doing it. And I'm sorry for uh matriarch but see if if it's if it's dark at night I'm just push it it's not back what is not ang comfortable >> unc comfortable when it's dark and could be some people are there but now it's when it's light it's better is it working I said I don't know because it's electric eye and electric just at night and when it's dark then it's lighting up okay Shane I'm dying This was this was one time that this rabbis spoke to me. Another time was the rabbi spoke to me. It will say that when the Reb came to 770 in the morning, Reb came by foot by himself came 770 then went into the meas and took the teras from yesterday go to the Reb's house and between the two doors today is only one door I don't know why but that me took off one door was >> he he would get the thermos for the reb >> yeah with you open the door was the ready thermos >> tea what was it >> I don't know coffee tea with Uh we did a cheese roal cheese danishes bagged >> for Lawrence Lawrence bakery if you remember and one time I came and was not there then the rabbits probably open it's not ready yet wait a minute I said two times that I had with the rabbits >> yeah what you say with the rabbits okay uh Sunday the reb the rabbit and brought the rebound around 12:00 12:00 the reb came to >> didn't walk >> no never the rabbit the rabbi walked yeah Sunday she bought the rabbi yeah then two times a week I don't know which night with her mother was still alive tilt of shin lamemed she came at night time to be with the with her I don't know the way it went. When she finished or when the Reb finished. Yeah. She came down, she went into the car. She was waiting there. Then the Reb came out, opened the door, went in >> in the front. >> In the front and Rebe like she she was posing gas. She went to Albany and president. That's Yeah. Monday and Thursday uh Yudamin they brought the Reb to Kaser but the rest of the days Rebe went on by himself and came by himself and came by himself. >> So Monday, Thursday and Sunday Rebe drove. >> Yeah. >> And Reb would walk. >> Yeah. But later on it was I I heard once the story from Yur Kinsky that uh was the story with Shra with the makabis. >> You see the started the makab. Yeah. >> The original. Yeah. >> And then the rabbitson asked yodel if he could bring the rabbit. If we bring the rabbit because she's afraid he should bring him uh home every night. The rabbitson didn't want to drive anymore at night. >> No, the rabbit came only only twice a week. But the other night >> because of the crime, the rabbiton asked if the can start getting >> and when and when one time when the rabbi went in the rabbit told them you're also a makabe to to >> you take the you're also makabe. So you're part of the I think you're drive I'm driving >> you're taking now because of the >> and now you're you're part of the M. >> Yeah. But but then was like shab sometime sometime went in the car. >> No no no foot. I'm talking >> in the middle of the week. Yeah, went with till probably killed president president went to his house and went to his house. This happened a lot of times like this and but then shabas would walk >> people would people would walk with the >> always. >> Yeah, always. I remember when we came when we came from Newark to 770 was the state of the Bahim was then uh Le Shapiro Fran Pici M all the ultra bim there and we said okay take us also into the said no >> into the mish too young too young next year you'll do it mean said no they remember we had two rebellions now bim they wanted you said okay you two we'll send one more ba from Three bim will go then uh then started went like behind the reb >> behind the reb that's at night time but the daytime the reb came by himself by daytime there was no there's no bak there's no one >> no no be coming from the from the >> and the so when you were baka the whole time the rebba was always walking 1070 and the lament also. >> Yeah. I remember one time I was my mish was shabz was together like three days. >> Okay. There was like was Thursday was Friday and then Shabas Shab was the Fabang this this year that came out like this was sugar was so busy so such a sed yeah like this you had the faban the first night no the first night was a shiner yeah shabas morning was nothing but then was a was a small faban. No, no fab. No, but but we went we went to to Schulz to then at night time was yeah, >> but I remember I went with with Aram Galitzki. We went to Prospect Park was a sh we went there for a so went to a coffee >> prospect park. >> Yeah. Ocean Ocean Avenue right when you make the turn. There is a church but there was a sh >> we went to the sh and we came back was beginning of the faban we didn't go in was staying by the door embarrassed they were there >> sure embarrassed was just because they tell the story >> so why did you go so close >> huh no that's a show I went with that was sure I went with always this went always >> they say before this they say >> that's what they say >> so you were listening to the fab then then everybody came. We went also to because the everybody came back said yes. Okay. Then the stop the and then the the garbage up the now is stopping and we bet everybody should go outside because we have to make the sh for the for the coffers. Yeah. And then was FSE between uh between Fabanga and this but half an hour 3/4 of an hour was FSE and then was a coff you had that old the night faban tomorrow morning was again a coff don't forget. Yeah was a coff that time they sold the they sold the mitzvah they sold the race. So took like you went on three 3:00 was after everything 3 >> they actually sold it. Yeah, they sold every pos every pro they sold separate but >> there was like bidding what? >> Yeah, bidding >> people raising their hands. >> Some people some people I mean but it was bidding and then to run on there was another fab that's already Friday night it was on Paris map that time. I mean I'm talking the first was Paris map then the reb stopped it. Yeah. Was a fabbran. Yeah. And then tomorrow morning is is tim then ting was moleski with kazon and it took till 1:00 1:30 was ready. Yeah. Once it was two two three hours went home coming back for the sim base it's called. Yeah. >> Yeah. And this was still and with this you have to to m learn the you have to finish you have to finish bishes m was the loudest thing but that one time my my mish was uh to take to go with the rebel then right after the right after the faban no right after my whenabas. Yeah. After it was a fab shabas. After couple of shabas, the reb is going on. Then I went upstairs right with my friend waiting. We wait outside because the minute the rabbit closed it off the the window from there, we know the rabbi is going on. Then we know exactly when to wait. I guess we didn't wait. Then we went outside. We saw rabbit just fab went into the room took off the talk with the to was a one light there sitting glide away and sitting and learning for half an hour then he closed the window and went home just had a fab and everything. Yeah. >> Did ever spoke to the Baham when they were walking? >> No, never. Okay. I have a different story just so um had one chair for the faban for for governing then I don't know which year was it I think from they send a child to the reb >> that they that they made >> they made a chair yeah and they sent it to the rebell um It's a nice chair. The same thing. You know what I'm talking say? Say say >> huh. After the reb the Reb gave out to this guy, this guy, this guy. The Reb said and then this then the Reb start to give mash to this guy. This guy then Reb said there was everybody went up to the be. It was a then the chair was broken. >> Yeah. This chair broke. >> Yeah. I mean one one leg broke off and they put they put glue didn't all they put a screw didn't work out. They put a chair on the side. It was only one chair. It was only one chair from the rebbit. Then one time I think what's his name bought a chair but it was not a comfortable chair. They took it back home. They they had the chair in their house. The chair with the rabbit them. No. No. Maybe. No. Before we decided if you have to buy a chair for the we can't because buten had a red chair before also. >> Yeah. The red chair. You put it on the you have to put it there after upstairs. Then you have to take the chair bring it right upstairs. Then that decided we have to buy a chair. I remember me another guy went together with Barl Lipska. We went to Pitkin Avenue down Barnesville. >> Mhm. >> We bought the same chair and we bought it. Bought it. Visal decided no why are you to decide for a chair we're not letting it they didn't let us stay the chair old story but then Then was all we made like was then we the story with the chair. We want to give the rabbit a chair. It's very hard to go upstairs. Upstairs few. >> Yeah. It took me about two with I think was married already. Okay. The reb took it. But he said to learn it's not as they should take care of the so they have accepted it. then told you that it's not at the Indian Bak. >> Yeah. And then the then this was the co you dial at kisv the gave the answer then remember you test kisv I asked leer the rabbi if should bring out the new chair we didn't put a chair yet there then he went to the reb went out he came out he said yeah could bring it I took the chair remember I took it down I brought it down the baching for me >> yeah we won >> because the father mad said no Yeah. No, they said that because what are I remember was to lament we were we were in Ocean Park with made a PA system. Then we told the guy want to make it 77 also P for the Fang because it till that time was Mayor Alik took the amplifier it downstairs connected wires put it in five fingers. So remember the service beeping all the time the make a system. I'm just listening the speaker in 770 for the >> for the FBI did it. >> Mayor Alik did it. >> Wasn't >> later did it but before Mayor Alik it was his job. >> Okay. >> He did it. Then we called the guy said, "No, you can't do it." And then it was the chair. >> So it's interesting that the accepted it but you know that >> it's not yours. And if this I made a different story when it went to the Reb, the Reb was complaining that if to sharp a pencil, he has to go into the office to Americas to sharp the pencil. And then he gets letters from people and he has to to tear out people. People should shouldn't see what they're writing. And they have to open all the letters. >> Three things that the Reb said to him. that the >> first thing that when he needs a pencil to make you have to go to make to sharpen it. >> Second thing when he gets a note from the Reb when he gets letters from the Reb doesn't want the Miriam should see exactly what's written there. Yeah. He has to take and to tear off pieces from the letter they shouldn't see it. Oh certain parts of the letter certain part even the letter the full letter I don't know what exactly this and then this I don't brief so many letters comes and they have to open them then benches they told to benchm like this we have to do something remember he called me borian they say bor that's he called me when we came to man it's a big stationary store three floors he bought than like a shredder. What you put on the garbage can, you could put a shredder. Yeah. You could put the shredder and that shreds to pieces the paper. He bought a sharpener, a battery that you put on the table. A battery with a battery. >> Electric sharp. >> Electric. Yeah. And he bought a letter. >> Yeah. >> And he bought it >> like a knife or a machine. >> It's a machine. Yeah. You put you put all the letters and it's taking off a piece. >> But then he bought it. They were going like it's no room for these things. He didn't let it then the Mic he didn't let it but then I heard about the letter as the Reb said people writing to me I have to open it for them not not someone else to open it >> not a not to open not a machine that people doesn't the office they should open the letters for me the people write to me I want to open the letter so they write to me but they didn't let the three machines he didn't let it into the room >> you heard this Then that the said that >> what >> saying the said about but the said that that he should open it. >> Yeah. You heard this then. >> It's interesting that the office first of all like even masquer as if the year when the years went on there was more mas there didn't know and they had work over there at the m. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then after passed away things was not just writing letters. This was a different then this medel took it over. But I'm talking in general even label label was not so masc and other stuff. But uh even Byomic Klein told me that I was I was Kadakov's mascul. But things at with the Reb I did it. But in general they called me in as Mas not as the Reb's master. >> And with time that they came. Yeah. Yeah. But the Reb told the thing that you see you don't have to tell it nobody. >> Yeah. He worked with the Reb. Yeah. >> Yeah. So uh listen for uh for for me this is uh important in yanim to hear the inside and out of uh also you talk to a lot of people they share whatever >> they share their big they have big theories how what they're sharing but like the dayto-day exactly what happened by by the it's important for me for me and for many many other people to hear you know the the back end of everything works also today we're looking at it to Indian it's taking over the world you know everything and to hear like >> was like everything was just happening >> yeah there there was there were they were writing more things they would be like it was >> and the we use a lot of his translates and even what's his name? He was sticking mashbak also upstairs. >> Yeah. Then then uh they they were sitting the first the reb was sitting for the first looking the door open the door they looked the reb came in what time is it the time exactly when the reb came in they want to know >> they were running because they wanted for their >> uh that's the yuman that's the yan was running >> so how did this whole thing started that the wanted through every single thing. >> That's not every some that's what there look so many boim but in the whole history of we don't have such a thing. No, you have so many bim they were this night. They were not going away from 770 till the reb left and everybody went into the rebbit if they could find out what did they say what the rebbit told them there were a lot of problem that that's what they're uh they did >> it's not my department these things but uh >> you didn't stand stand >> but because at least I missed a lot of things >> I say however involved you were there were people that were even more >> so And so then then everything uh but when you were when you're a younger man you were also I mean obviously you had a mishb but you were also there all the time. >> Yeah I was there all the time. Yeah. So let's not remind another story but uh let's say about but the story yeah they say I mean was like at night time after my the first night people they didn't get mis from daytime they get they they were staying there by the reb gave him misook half an hour 3/4 of an hour then the reb went to the kitchen 7:49 was the kitchen from my time and the Rabbi went there to see. Then the Rabbi looked on each kra from each ber. Then the Reb gave a bro then went into the kitchen gave a to the to the cook. Yeah. Then one time I said I want to go up to then then the bim started. Yeah. Until they finished everything. They went upstairs to the reb was there. Me and two decided no we coming in right we coming to the kitchen to the kitchen we starting the seda yeah till mat even no even even till after tomorrow we did everything when you know the reb is coming we put we made back the kai like wasn't touched and if the rebel left we we ate the piece of mat and something and we went into the upstairs to the reb Then I came there twice before the Reb came in to the seda twice I was there. But now that's the point what I want to tell you. After I worked by Rabbi Jacobson in Adira then went also to Adata to the Sed then I went also there. I was already married this but I walked in. Let me see. Then we went downstairs and looked everything. Then you want to go up to the dormator. >> What year are you talking about? >> Huh? >> What year are you talking about? >> This was lame base or the lame chemo. >> Mhm. >> This base went up there to the dormator looked everything went out before the steps. Fact where the bim taking not to no take from the toilet. You have to take it from out of the toilet. They have technical >> not from the bathroom. >> Not from the bathroom. So remember this. I'm telling a lot of people you're not washing your hands in the in the bathroom. There's everything outside not inside. >> Yeah. Okay. Wilhelms is >> And uh it's enough for me for many. And uh I think the important thing is that in these conversations to to hear people's experiences that that's the >> that's the Indian and the main thing is that uh we're obviously in the until mashia comes we don't have all this but uh it's important to to hear and we should see the Amen. >> Amen.