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Ep. 62: Look For A Shidduch and Go On Shlichus with Rabbi Tzvi Grunblatt
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In this episode, Rabbi Tzvi Grunblatt, Head Shliach of Argentina, takes us through his remarkable journey that led him to become Lubavitch and eventually the Rebbe’s Shliach. Rabbi Grunblatt grew up in Argentina in a Yekkishe kehillah. During his youth, he became very close to the Rebbe’s Shliach to Argentina, Rabbi Berel Baumgarten. Although Rabbi Baumgarten did not formally teach him Chassidus, simply being around him opened Rabbi Grunblatt to a world of Chassidus and Lubavitch, eventually leading him to join a Lubavitch Yeshiva in New York. He shares what it was like arriving from Argentina with virtually no familiarity with Lubavitch culture, and how he quickly acclimated and developed a deep connection to the Rebbe. As his involvement grew, Rabbi Grunblatt describes the tremendous effort he invested in understanding the Rebbe’s farbrengens. This eventually led him to become involved in chazara and in the work of transcribing the Rebbe’s maamorim. He shares fascinating anecdotes and insights into certain maamorim that the Rebbe was magihah, and elaborates on them. The episode then turns to the passing of Rabbi Berel Baumgarten, and how that ultimately led to Rabbi Grunblatt being sent as a Shliach to Argentina- at the same time as the Rebbe instructed him to get look for a Shidduch. Rabbi Grunblatt recounts the dramatic story of his arrival in Argentina and goes on to share fascinating episodes from his decades of Shlichus, including remarkable moments in which the Rebbe was directly involved.
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We didn't send you to make the
calculations
of the economic policy of the country.
Your job is
your job is
spreading [music] guide and spreading
the mayon with confidence in the
surely
people will ask you what you think about
the future.
You should say you're not a prophet,
but you your job is to spread Edish and
the may
this was that
I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among
an ongoing faban about life as our
vibrant connection with the reb and
inspired living shaped by the way he
teaches us each and every day.
How are you?
>> Amen. Okay. Thank you very much. So um
looking forward to this conversation and
I would like to begin um you are the and
the in Argentina and but you're also
from there. So maybe you could give me a
little bit of the background of how your
family I guess got to Argentina where
they come from and uh we'll start a
little bit with your upbringing and
we'll we'll go from there.
>> Okay. You know that the yu led us of aid
is the day he came to the babage
that we have to start from there. But
since you are uh asking
from another point of view is uh my
parents alm
they both holocaust survivors.
Uh my father from Hungary came after the
war
in Topshin Zin 47
and uh [clears throat] my mother came
from from Berlin
1940 to Uruguay.
um both bor hashem they went through I
they didn't go the atrocities they went
through but they went through the the
whole hardships
etc my mother when she came she was 15
years old in the ship were 200 Jews and
only two families kept kosher one of
them was their family and people were
telling them this is finished already
what you doing?
And they
were strong.
They couldn't get a job in Uruguay
without working shabas.
But my grandmother said theish there
saved our lives. Not we should leave as
non-Jews.
We definitely were going to get Parnosa.
A week later they got Parnosa. My father
was in a labor camp not concentration
camp through the war and uh he had a a
sidedish upbringing my my my from my
mother's side was a yakish upbringing
but the faish upbringing from the adasis
ge
in Berlin the the rebed
there in Berlin in the sh that I I
imagined that my grandfather Davender
and my mother Davender because it was
just two blocks from where my mother
lived in Berlin and they were part of
the Adas.
And uh by the way also the Reb came to
America with the Rebson Top Shin
together with my great uncle in the same
ship
>> in the boat.
>> Yes. And they they had they talked a lot
with the rebbit. They told me that the
reb was in his in the room.
>> No, the
>> Oh. Oh, you mean you mean when when the
reb came? Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Rabb was talking with them
and the reb was closed in his room the
whole time. He didn't come out. He was
in the room the whole time
on the traveling there.
Uh my father hadish
upbringing
uh not kabat. They knew about kabat and
Hungarian one. They were not
specifically
from a definitely rabbi. They were from
old sadikim.
And uh but my grandfather
he on the first seder of Pesak after
getting married he made the seder in
half an hour and run away to be by his
rabbis seder mean that he had he had the
neur you know and uh
my father was in yeshiva also before the
war
And uh
and during the war
>> in Hungary
>> in Hungary. Yes. And during the war is
uh there was the the Jews were under
Hungarian
uh control doing the the military. My
father had to do military service and
under the Hungarians, but the Hungarian
were under the Germans and they had to
work and build and do things, trenches,
um
ways, highways for for for the German
army. And uh they were under the Germans
in the under German system. And uh my
father Bo Hashem never lost one day of
putting on film all over the war and not
later. Even half a year he was running
from one place to the other. Never lost
one day of putting on film. And he even
had a a pesak seder there under the
noses the nose of the commander of the
Hungarian com of the of the of the
German commander. They gave him ruse. He
got [clears throat] a package of two
kilos mats from his father and they gave
him ruse to make a seder. And this was
this is a house history [clears throat]
that the reason why he they the
commander gave him rules because this
was like a military uh system and they
my my grandfather could send letters to
him and he could send letters back and
the censorship so that my grandfather
wrote to my father my distinguished
honorable very capable son etc etc and
my father answered him I'm not honorable
table. I'm not distinguished. I don't
I'm not I'm just your son. And uh looks
like this was no the commander told
clearly my father this was no by him his
paras that's why he gave him to make the
the seder there. My father also built a
suka there on the ground under the
ground he built a suk told me how he
keeper there.
Uh but and after the war uh my father
came to Argentina
and uh he came with Pis even to
Argentina
and u
he was always boashm he was always and
he always hadish
general Hungarian
in in in a specific way of of being mad
in mitzvah.
This is this is about my let's say
basically my grandparents
um my my
myself I was raised by them or hashem
>> those are your parents
>> this was my parents yes yes parents and
my grandparents yes I can say more but I
don't think this is interesting here for
this note
>> okay
>> this is not the point of the note and Um
when I was small young I came I was uh
by the Yakishekah my father was a
president of the Yakahil Ban of Rabbi
Openenheimer all of Ashim for seven
years he was the president but he never
was a yaker he never raced us as yas
never raced us in the minhogim of yakas
all he raced us on the minhogimart
the hunt mat for Dim in Pesak going to
Mikva my fire used to go to Mikva every
day had a shir Gmor 6:30 in the morning
and uh in my house we heard always uh
not kabat really I have to say that I
never heard about kabat and about Tanya
about alterb
before I came to Rabbi Bombgarten. This
was when I was already 12, 13 years old.
Never heard. But yeah, in my house, yes,
we heard about mem
the rich also we didn't hear. No,
my father used to look into all these
books. Friday night by the table,
all these books. This was the books he
and
that means that I had the
of of
by the sadikim where
I never heard really about other kind of
daily is never heard. Yes, theamer. I
heard Rabbi Kger. I heard when I studied
with Rabbi Bumgart, I heard the show.
But in my house, let's say the the the
sadikim the sadikim always were from the
from the
from the let's say camp camp. Even
though my father told me that in his
house in Hung Hungary they had a Tanya
they made a yont when it was the gu of
the freed afteramus
was a big sim they made a special s
they said tib but the freed was in jail
and my grandfather studied alter
but uh I heard all is only after I came
to kabat not before and my father even
didn't know what is primis I al when I
came to yeshiv I was right my father
asked me what's
understand the difference but by the
time my father became a lobaner
full-fledged let's say full-fledged
>> after saying after you did
>> yeah yeah yeah after we came to yeshiva
yeah Um
and he he started giving shiders
in yeshiva. He he taught Tanya to Baluas
17 year old 18 year old in yeshiva and
he was so happy about [snorts] it that
he had to go through heart surgery and
he was so happy. It made him so so
healthy giving the shear that the
surgery was postponed for a few years.
when he had through the surgery years
later he got an infection he passed away
from the from the surgery be the pale
that means the the highest was got in
the Tanya the doses and another thing I
can tell you that my parents used to
invite all these people for the seder
people they don't make a seder they
should come family they should come to
see the seder to teach them the seder to
see the seder and I remember in one
conversation
They'll be speaking about from people
not from people and my father said on
the conversation
the know how to speak to non people
I heard
not specially said
okay and um
I uh at when I was 12 I really went to
yeshiva called
and we studied in
one year with literature.
Next year came Rabbi Bombgarten of he
was our Rosh.
>> Can you uh tell me about Bumgarten?
>> Huh?
>> Can you tell me about
>> he came there? No, no. I I I knew him
from far because I didn't leave. Rabbi
Bombgarten.
>> Can you tell me about him?
>> Sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
uh he when he became the rashish there
in the yeshivasim
they g they put him a condition he
cannot teachas
and cannot make lubabage propaganda this
was the condition
he didn't want to go into the job
but he asked the reb
you take the job and he without making
any propaganda and without teaching
He madeim
like the Reb told him once,
you don't have to put my name. People
see what they see me. You have to put
Yeah. And this was the reality. We saw I
knew other Orthodox from Rabonim, but I
saw a difference. There was a difference
between them and Rabbi Bongart. It was
was some kind of a difference. uh even
the way he davened
the even the way he ded I remember that
I could see that when he would ded
without any
external
um
attitudes and conduct. I see I saw his
face how he was connected. I saw he was
in his I saw he was connected in his
mind in his I saw him connected I saw
him connected besides this when he used
to deduce to D used to d with with
hearts used to cry sometime I remember
keeper we went out from the mik went to
d m
he went to the om he couldn't say the
words of khazhat
he was so moved Arabium keeper by the
ding
crying he couldn't say the words and he
was a mamesh aid of ms mamesh
mitzv
he built he lived on the fifth floor
really sixth floor in America the sixth
floor and he didn't have a porch and
didn't have a a patio azer for a suk he
built a suk on the air on the sixth
floor. He had a balu called engineer
polychenko that he wasn't an engineer
already for years [laughter]
and he took him and engineer make took
two
irons
poles going out and he make a small
floor
like the
as a he should have a suk next year. He
already had a bigger suka that he had
three people to be able to have or I had
this h to eat in his suka there on the
sixth floor. really you were trembling
when you're going out but he make sure
that he was everything uh everything
okay and uh we saw he was pes
the way
he didn't drink the water from the from
from from the from the kitchen he
brought water water from outside the
city from a from a bar from a well from
a bar from a Mayan for for Pesak to
drink
This is what we saw him he was a special
bet
but we saw in him he was so devoted to
his students totally devoted to the
students and to the family to the
students even we saw how he was devoted
to the porter the the the doorman the
doorman of the yeshiva because we we
moved to another building and they moved
out the to another building wasn't the
kabat yeshiva
It was a rabbart. He was the rash. It
was his
in the building of called Kazan is and
we had a picture of Zalman Melzer
Meltzer there on the wall. This is the
yeshiva where Rabbi Bombgart taught. And
um but the Dorman used to shave with a
with a sakin
with a knife
>> with a huh with a razor
>> with a razor. Raarten
dig to give him a maton a shaving ker a
shaving machine. He shouldn't be raised
with with this. But he he diged for
every student. He used to bring bananas
for us. He should have what to eat. He
used to to buy the bowl the bowl the
plastic bowl for for for the recesses.
Used to buy it for us. He was totally
devoted and came.
We we were 14 years old and we were not
living in the same shun but we wanted to
be by Rabbi Bobgarten to be learning
with him the whole night etc etc. He we
put
mattresses in his house on the floor all
the floors of all the rooms full with
mattresses with boims sleeping in his
house to be with him. He was he was sick
with uh he in his feet and he couldn't
walk. But he what did he do? He brought
the whole ka the whole ka to his house.
He was lying on the bed
with a big gamor on the bed. All the
boim around the bed and he gave the shir
there from the bed.
This was and then also he used to travel
to the Reb and he used to write
bro for us and uh he used to have uh the
Reb's picture in his house and uh I saw
the first time I saw a big library of
cidas I never saw so much so many cidas
I saw it saw it in saw it in his house
and uh he was really he he he he not
just had an influence on us he had an
influence on the shayim of the city he
brought in the concept of Israel in the
in the shabas kahil in the fume in Buyus
then he had a big a big ash po he was
part of the kash
vat the vat cashashes of the city but
but wasn't from official city
for three raon there three different
three different raonim that he was the
kabatnik and he was very well respected
because he was aa safer he was a tal and
he was a real
and people
had I'm I'm talking the
had a lot of confidence on on his and on
his
this is
>> he he didn't He didn't speak to you
about about
He didn't speak to you.
>> No, no, almost. No, no. I never I never
learned Tanya. Not one word Tanya before
I came to to New York to to the Shiva.
Never. Uh first time I learned to see
the first time I learned to see was with
Mr.
Solom
wasabi
a full-fledged
because Rabbi Bongartan had a mic that
when a boa traveled to yeshiva to New
York the whole yeshiva used to go to the
airport and it was like an hour travel
to the airport with a with a with with a
with a city boss. He went with the city
boss a whole hour but the whole yeshiva
went he we he built the whole concept of
going to yeshiva to learn with a shiv
and the rabbi Mr. Santos went with us
also in the boss and he took a recruit
with him and he sat with me learned with
me. I remember
the
inish the different of Mishk with Bikto.
This is the first I ever learned. But
no, he the fesh when it was the six day
war, he told us what the Reb spoke
about having confidence
and he told us what the Reb said that
from the R. I think he brought that
in in the anat and in the merit of
putting out film of a Jew it will be
in will this will protect the Jewish
soldiers on on the battlefield. He told
us this and this had an impacted impact
on me that I went on MIT film even
though I was 12 years old
and I went with another person he's a
rabbi in Colombia. It was just a
earthquake
in in in Colombia. He's a rabbi in
Colombia Rabbi Gmid Schlit. He was then
a mania of of of of the beter of the of
the elementary school of Rabbi
Openenheimimer. And we went together on
Sunday to do and I went in the sho of
Rabbi Openenheimimer and I put a big
sign of what the Reb said that is of
putting on film and with the with with
hidden you're protecting the soldiers
this this way. Let's say he had he
transmitted he transmitted reb but on on
on a the practical way on on on on on a
manual way on on on from this point but
not ones
not on from from from from this part the
we saw in him in himself in his life we
didn't learn from the book we learned
from the person.
>> Mhm. Wow.
So, so he sent you to New York to learn
Yeshiva. That that was to say there
>> is. No, this wasn't exactly like this.
Most of the students in our
parents were from
basically let's say but Shabas. Yes. But
they they they didn't have a they were
not they came to Argentina their parents
and grandparents before the war and it
was very weak. They didn't have this
concepts of yeshiva. They they were not
let's say put it in this way. They they
they were not they safer. They didn't
know which yeshiva this is for them. My
father had a day. My father went to sh I
mean my father had he knew what he and
Rabbi Bumgarten was very
he didn't want to force. He was mohe not
forcing and he he gave my father the the
the the
choice he should choose a yeshiva for me
he didn't force yes but I didn't tell
you the main part of the story I'm
telling you all all the narish kite and
not the main point the main point is
when I was 14 years old I was 14 years
old
uh I wanted to learn in yeshiva the
whole day and not only mud. I was
learning high school in mud and half a
day in the yeshiva. Half a day garden uh
an hour was playing ball, half an hour
was doing trouble in the k and making
from fun from his English and uh
>> from his English.
>> Yeah. Because he was speaking Spanish
mixing with English and we used to make
fun of him. He was an American. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we used to
make fun. We would play with him, laugh
with him. We should climb on top of him
like children climb on top of the
father. I used to climb on top of him.
And uh but I wanted to learn serious
yeshiva. I was already 14 years old, 14
and a half. I wanted to to learn a
normal yeshiva for 24 hours a day. And I
wrote a letter to the Reb. I was 14
years old. Wrote wrote a reb and I sent
it by by mail. Uh but I went to the post
office. I didn't tell nobody. Not not
Rabbi Bombgart, not my parents, my
mother that came from uh from Berlin.
She wanted me university.
Okay. She already knew I wouldn't go to
university, but at least finish the high
school. And I was then in the sec
finishing the second year of high
school. That means I had three years
more of high school. I cannot go three
years more of high school. And but I in
those days your parents ruled on you.
It's not like today. And my mother was a
yak
aort is aort
is ordict.
I wrote to the Reb. I want to wear the
yeshiv in 30 days. I got the answer of
the
gave me a and was
for
the letter. The letter but the nest is
given.
>> What was that? You have to translate it.
>> Huh?
>> Say it in English. The letter
>> the letter was
to to a boy, 14year-old boy from
Argentina. never wrote before to the reb
have any introduction to the rebre
who I am what I am what just I wrote to
the reb I want to go to learn in yeshiva
that's all and the reb answered
uh add in diligence and dedication
in learning ter
and being very
mahada very spec Special
be doing mitzvah with in a beautiful and
complete and special way.
Then this is the way to receive the
blessings of Hashem in what is needed.
You surely heard about the shir of
saying after dinging how it is divided
on the monthly monthly. Yeah. on on the
months and you should keep this sh from
now on and the aster will fulfill the
wishes of your heart and the rebed with
his signature in person. I got this
answer to one month. One month I got the
answer and this year bed
I went to yeshiva but there is was
another ness my father wanted to send me
to overlander
yes he told me
>> in New York
>> in New York yes
my my father said you have time
after You get married,
you know a lot of you will know a
lot of nigle. Then you you you you go on
into now is the time to learn
seriously that's why he wanted to
sent me to overlander yes and I had a
uncle in New York
and uh he was a Hungarian
and uh they went with Rabbi Bombgarten
Rabbi Bumgarten went to look for me here
in New York together with my uncle and
they went to four different yeshivas
mats yeshiva vin yeshiva I don't know
but anyways it was 1969
bring a 14year-old boy a 15y old boy
from Argentina who is going to take care
of him who is going to who knows who is
this guy what is he going to do
and besides this yeshiva cost money
all kinds of obstacles. No yeshiva was
ready to take me. My uncle even though
he was a Hungarian.
Yeah, he was in the line of satar. He
wasn't a sat in those in this line but
he said I don't understand why what
here's the problem. He has two friends
they are learning in kabat was lapid
and biny fans
those two they were learning in kabat he
has already two friends in kabat why
doesn't he go to kabat my [laughter]
uncle said rabbi bombgarten said I don't
have any problem any problem but the
father asked for another yes yeshiva and
then rabbi bombgarten wrote to my father
and I remember he wrote to My father
God is witness that I wasn't the one to
press kabat. It was your brother who
brings your son to kabat
because it was a second ness a second
ness how I came to to I say it in few
words I came to kabat because there were
no obstacles to come I said what's wrong
it would be asking for money and this
and this I don't know what would have
that been I mean surely I would have
been in kabad because this was their
goal
And I see clearly how the Reb picked me
up to come like he picks up everybody to
come.
The answer right away and the nest that
it came. It was really Milo. Was really
Milo that I came. It wasn't my choice.
Not at all. I didn't know where I was
coming in. Yes, I knew.
But I didn't know something special in
Kabad different from others. Not at all.
Not at all. and uh
and and that's why I say it would be
obstacles. I say to a lot of manahaleim
>> when they make a lot of obstacles to to
students
>> lot a lot of tuition
>> a lot of tuition if they would charge
tuition like charge today ramonlan
I don't know where I would have been
>> and I'm sure you know that you're not
the only one there's a there's a whole
finer group of people that ended up in
the inavish
because they were not charged tuition
and their parents like liked that option
Right.
>> I I I say I even speak to non nonflume
people and I tell they ask me for my
story. They come to Argentina. They see
and what an Argentinian boy because I
didn't come from America. I'm
Argentinian. How did you come? And I
tell them no, I came to Labavish because
it was free of [laughter]
free tuition.
That's why I came to
Okay. Hey, I think this is then I came
to to to Yeshiva
>> to where
>> I came to Ocean Parkway
>> like uh you're like bmedish whatever
high school.
>> Yes. Yes.
Yes, there were Rabbi Rab Rabbi Ushpal
was the magur in Nigel
was my first mag [laughter]
was my Mashpia when I arrived here at 15
years old and he was my mashpia by 16
and then I was by Mak
in Morristown for two years and then
came back to also was again a Shalyak in
in in in in Ocean Park
was my
>> I have two I have two questions which
are probably connected I want to hear
about the first time you saw the and my
second question which is probably
connected to this you don't really know
anything about Labavich about the
culture about anything you don't say you
have two friends but like how how do you
how was this the landing in in Lavish
like this from from Argentina maybe you
could tell me about this I tell you I
came to Lubavich I thought
that Lubavich is like any think that is
something different you see to learn to
learn
and
even I came to yeshiva Monday Sunday
morning I came into into parkway in
Shiva
till Friday I didn't see the reb
it's not that they took me to come to to
to to
nobody even didn't speak to me to come I
would have come I have nothing against
them I mean but nobody told me even to
come tell you more I came the first
shabas that I came to to to 770
almost I went to Williamsburg. Why?
Because I had an aunt living in
Williamsburg. She wanted to invite the
the the the
nephew to come for Shabas and I was
going but for me it was natural. You go
family. What's what's the problem with
it? Then they put pressure on me. No,
no, no, no. You come to 770, you have to
see. Okay. Okay. Okay. They they had to
put pressure on me but because of family
things but nobody explain me
not one word it's only by me was because
the rebadic and that's it not not
something special not not even like like
the man no he's the big yesim of our
generation and for me sure who's to
Definitely. Definitely. But nobody I
tell you more. I got into 770. Nobody
told me now the Reb is coming in or the
Reb is going to come in. No. I was
standing there by the corridor and
suddenly it opens. It opens and I see
the Reb.
This was the moment I remember clearly
the moment I saw the first time. This
was this was the moment
and fabangan next day even though was
wasn't normal to be fabang but since it
was before shab before
the reb started fabang fab every week
from shabz
was the first shabas I was by the reb
is from shabang by on
and and and by Fabang and Shabzet
the whole atmosphere the whole the whole
thing took me to another world also was
without no preparation. I just knew the
Reb is going to speak. I knew clearly
the rebadic god will be so sure but it
was such a
experience not from this world being
there by faber this was and then I made
up I'm standing there listening to the
reb
the rebs
>> you know yedish then
>> I knew yish but I didn't know yedish I
didn't know yedish
And half of the words in Edish are also
words in a literature
as I wasn't used to this this ma at all
at all. But I made myself I have to take
something from what the Reb says. And I
made a point for every to take something
at least one should one clear thing, one
thing put to keep my and and really when
later on when I look at the after I
understood and I learned the sus I saw
that I remembered
what the Reb spoke then to that really
they stood in my head from when I later
learned the sus
and the the second very important thing
was when I started learning siras
with younger man he was a shaly there
folinkovich
he started learning with meas by night
after seder really it it caught me
I liked it
and then
Not the first week. This was already the
first week. But later on I start
learning start.
I got very impressed from never never
heard such
such concepts at all. And then later on
when I learned in Tanya
about
And that but everyone and that I myself
have
it went out of my mind. I I I
it it shocked me totally shock it moved
me shocked me and changed this concept.
changed my whole understanding of what
is a Jew and what is the the the life of
the Jew was like a revolutionary
concept that moved me every ber and
every kid in Labavage knows it but they
don't take it serious they don't
appreciate it don't appreciate what
means to have a kically calm imal mish
in yourself what don't appreciate it
since I didn't know from it before and I
was fulfilling mitzvah beh
like it
mame was an impact incredible impact
this was the first thing the second
thing when I learned
creates
every second
creates again from nothing the whole
existence.
This totally shocked me. I remember the
BA medish in
Ocean Parkway was in the main floor
and the dormator was upstairs in the
third floor.
I remember walking the the stairs to the
dormito because this I learned by night
Tanya by night after seder. I remember
walking upstairs the stores. It was like
they could have drunk bottle mash whole
bottle. I like was I was like
shocked totally shocked
totally shocked
but I want to tell you together with
this paras the spoke about Mashiach.
I knew already about Mashiach because
Rabbi Bumgarten told us that the set to
finish now
I knew about the whole
about
Msiah's coming.
I knew that about the 20 years Shimshen
all these I knew a little because I
heard from Rabbi Bombgarten and also
because the the Binyomin Fand wrote me
letters and on the letters that he wrote
me wrote me about the whole ru that's
going on in 770 around huchat and this
and this and really what he wrote to me
had an impact in me that I said, "I want
to come before you because I want to be
there."
>> So, you did you did know something
before you came.
>> I did the basic thing. I think I knew
[laughter]
Yeah.
Uh she saying
>> yeah yeah yeah I want to tell
the spoke about Mashia but he spoke
about being mazaken
meet
o with a letter to give the opportunity
every Jew to be part of the safer of
Messiah.
And even though I just came to America
and I didn't know so well English, I
studied a little English because I went
to high school in Argentina, but uh
I spoke Spanish, not English. And we
went with the other Argentinian boys. We
went on the street. I remember Kip on
the streets stopping people, asking them
about writing. It was just the first
week. The first week after the first
Fabangan,
the second week of my being here was no
sh no doubt that I have to do this.
Nobody had to talk me in. You have to do
this
was no no doubt you have to go make
people to be part of safer and I felt we
are talking here about big big things.
We're not talking business as usual
here. We are talking about big big big
things.
So you're basically describing the the
process of how I mean how you becoming
like this is this is all happening.
You're picking up the you say this is
just just just from being being there.
And I guess the the gave you a braha
they were able to be in tune to it.
It was I want to tell you it it took for
half a year I used to d with a gartle
I came to labage I d with my gartle
under the the under the under the coat
under the and uh also I didn't change my
minhogim but I came into I didn't care
what other people do I did what I have
what I believed in I did it and I I kept
my whole minhogim. I dumped nakart. I
put feeling not on the lobavich way and
I didn't care that other people did
different.
I kept my minhog and I kept everything.
And this was for half a year,
a little more than half a year. When I
came into Yahidas the first time,
this was soft
before my [snorts]
then I decided to change
to become let's say a full-fledged toer.
Yeah.
And um
byes I asked the Reb if to change all
the minhogen and everything and the reb
answered if this is a decision for
always I should do it.
That means the the the the passage
was like a half a year but the
of the
of the specialty
theat
started learning
is like it opened me the eyes about the
whole Yiddish guide. It's like a new
Yedish kite. It's the sameish guide, but
it's it it started shining. Same Edish
guide shining shining.
And this is something that you saw in
the Reb also
the Reb's just way of talking. The Ho,
the
You felt it.
You felt it. You felt it.
You felt there is an an expression
of Rabiel
in the first letters that he wrote to
his father when he came to
and he said in the first letters
that you see
you see he he writes to the to his
father you see that he is a isi
He writes about the Reb to his father
and mish in the beginning. You see he's
a rich
you saw
and you felt the le is different that
than everything.
Okay. Um so we're getting close this
time of year. We're getting close toash.
Is there anything you want to share from
the first uh for the first tish for
maybe the firstash?
I don't know. Maybe you can share a
little bit about that.
I I knew is and I understood tears by
the reb is something but I never
experienced it. had to imagine but I
didn't have any clue how it is and I
have to tell you I was uh I was very shy
I wasn't the best person asking around
and investigating no I I was very shy
and uh I was 15 years old 16 years then
I was already 16 years old yes
and nothing coming from Argentina here
big really important. But I I knew that
I have to get a good place.
I have to catch a good place. And I came
very early in the morning, Rashon in the
morning. And I stood next to the beame,
not the first row. I understood that
people there second, third row. I came
to K.
I was at the orang kaidesh
and I wasn't inside the orangesh because
there was a door if not I would be
inside the aren kaidesh
that means was pushed to dance and I
felt so bad says I'm going to be here by
the reb not going to be able to hear
anything see yes but not anything not
good because I [snorts] was used the reb
for the om the reb
uh Um
>> low
>> very
>> low
>> low very low. Yes. the same shab
you had to push the first rows to be
able to hear something and
I said oh what's going to be here
I'm going to be here and not then
started k started the
It was like
look like the reb going out to war. Was
going out to war.
And then all the
okay
and
the tears who Who who
same thing happened [laughter]
to
keeper I I came for the brah of the mim
when I came he was already after the
[laughter]
I was because nobody told me nothing
nobody explained me nothing
[laughter] I came he says how Come.
There's nobody here. No, it was already.
[laughter]
But anyways,
>> huh?
>> It's a You have to figure everything
out.
>> But anyways,
>> oh, so I want So I want to get into that
in a minute. Um, so you already said
that you learned in Osha Parkway and
then Marstown,
then in 770. So I want to talk about the
fab in a minute, but um, you shared
something earlier about your firstis.
Are there other things from the
subsequentis
or answers from the rabbi you got when
you were bak that you you would uh that
you can share?
First from the first I want to tell you
I was very
how do you say
went in 3:00 4:00 in the morning I don't
remember
I felt like you know going into the Reb
but the Reb started
speaking
with such a love
you felt
the reb embracing you.
This is the first time gosh
then it wasn't the first I think it was
maybe the second year or the third year
the reb
used to read
the pedion the letter
used to read
uh
the
one time
mark things on the side and then used to
come back from the end. From the end,
going back and he was answering you. But
while he was answering you and reading,
his head was down and the the the the
head used to cover at least by me. You
couldn't see clearly the the the the
Reb's face because the head was covering
most of the face and the reb was down.
The head was down.
The reb
of of answering everything. The reb
picked up his his head. His head the
cop. Yeah.
And he looked
Marb's
face shining
wasn't the Mar of Faben was Mar even not
the Mar of M was another Mar
looking at you with such
such connection and with such love
shining shining shining shining shining
This is in general.
Then the first point out
in Yeah.
And uh
later years in one year
he said
that's what he said.
is about
dear of element.
That's what he said. That's what you
write. This you cannot do. the other
thing you don't know how to do. But
since it's written, you will toil
and you will succeed.
And this is being said to me,
to you and to everybody.
And there is the toiling.
Definitely there is a succeeding.
That's this is one thing. And uh
then
I can tell you
the last
one
the the first after I already was in
um
the
I wanted to ask for a blessing
a special blessing for something
connected to that slo of my
and
I didn't write it because I was ashamed
was ashamed to ask such thing
the reb gave me the bra
in the words that I taught it
mamesh I will not tell you what I wanted
to ask but he gave me mamesh in the
words I thought I wanted to ask.
This is one thing.
Another thing
um
okay it was a
the last
also in the room.
This was maliff
base
those. Yeah.
I wrote a letter
already.
>> Yes. Yes. I wrote a letter and uh I gave
it in two three days before
in order the reb should be able to to
read it before I have to read it while
I'm standing there.
When I come in, the Reb tells me that he
he couldn't read
the long letter I wrote him.
If there was any questions there,
I didn't answer anything because I not
going to to
be talking to the Reb.
And the said then no apes in it sh
is good if there is no question is good
it's better it's better
if
there are
questions or doubts
bottle
should they had
discharged, nullified, discharged.
If it still remains some kind of a
question,
we will answer you in the time. This
wasn't the last
Yeah.
>> So what so what does that story mean?
>> You can [clears throat] everybody can
translate what he wants. [laughter]
I think it's clear
the reb is don't waste your time.
Be do be positive work. Do do don't
waste your time with all kinds of
questions and analysis I had analysis a
hint [snorts] I as I had an answer
when I when I
when I got this whole story you know
when I got uh
married
>> I want I want to get all that
>> no tell you but when I got married
uh was. It was was after
was the reb was sitting by the door of
Ganed
with a small table and he was receiving
the panim giving out sodoka.
I gave him my pan, my talle.
And an hour and a half after Yakidas,
the Reb answered
uh the
the
what I wrote
and and and the the Reb said,
"You are exaggerating
in all your negative assessments. ments.
You are exaggerating.
You are exaggerating with an
exaggeration.
Yeah. And he wrote, "You should make use
of your
capacity
of analyzing
things
in learning
and
the rea is with you."
That means this was the Reb's
guidance. You have power. Don't use your
analysis to see what's wrong. Use your
analysis to see how you can build
better.
And an interesting thing the Reb said
first. I was going out to
was the moment I was going out to even
like this. She said first
and then
okay
were there also um answers like minus
that you received when you were from the
>> No I was working in the
No personally personal stuff
>> no because Uh no the no the I I tell you
something I I I was after uh
was in the middle of
I got offer for a shidak
and even though not I was running for
aid but I also didn't want to be I
as an Argentinian boy an Argentinian boy
and uh don't have family here taking
care of me etc etc who knows me I get an
offer I shouldn't be stupid just to
discharge it and I wrote to the reb
was 5:00 or 4:00 in the morning got the
dancer of the reb because those days the
reb was
aesh in his room and we were working in
sas in my
in by by the floor of Dan here next next
door to 770. We got I got a telephone at
4:00 or 5:00 in the morning from Rabbi
Klein all of us. We have an answer for
you. And the answer was
don't think about the till you don't
finish.
I finish
let's say
I got
and and for
okay wasn't there an answer from the
with the parts of
h with with words from
someone told me it's a
an
said
you didn't like said you didn't make
yourself
ask me then you have to he said you have
to be happy to be
to be
in order to
truly
um
think like this. Yes.
>> Yeah. I don't understand exactly what
you're saying, but maybe
>> No. What do you mean? I don't
understand.
>> It sounds like there's more. But
>> don't
like he said when different things, you
know. Uh you said when you have some
thought that uh brings in you some kind
of
weakness
think that you are of
this the told me when I was a
huh
>> yeah yeah
the told me sins like you right here in
that settle
that you teach
because I used to go Thursday night to
teach
theas from
Yeah. And they say since you write here
that you teach
you are
you should think about this and when you
have any weakness you feel weak in your
in yourself
>> said
like the said does not feel
design
but don't bear
in all the ne in in in negative things
shouldn't be spent on
>> well
whatever
Yeah. Yeah.
the sins is the whole day because even
everything what you do has to be
that means you could be the whole day.
Okay. Okay.
Anything else before before I before I
move on?
>> Uh
I Okay.
Are you you going about the Okay. Go
then I tell you.
>> No. Okay. Fine. So, so let's stop. Let's
go backwards. So you mentioned to me
that
theans
was
your life and integral component of
being there.
So maybe tell me a little bit about that
and then when I ask you about then I'll
ask you about the
so maybe tell me about
every faban
was Lebanese
I don't know how to to
>> it's good you can you can keep it
>> yeah yeah was every was a Lebanese
the all every the and the way and and
the beauty and we didn't we we didn't
just take we I talk those that we heard
the bit with haron
we used to talk over the fab later
like uh
we we were standing also on the details
on the details that the Reb said this
this for this this sometimes people take
just the global ID
but in the rebas when you listen good
the reb fabangant first of all you have
to take the global ID no question you
have to take the global ID but later on
every
concept every word is is a whole Indian
but Gale we felt
How the Reb is putting in so much new
thing,
shiny things.
It's like we felt every wasn't just a
reb saying
the reb was going through the whole
sarish
was and shaping the whole sedish and
giving you a cooking all sederish. This
was like like you came into fabang is
like you came to we going now to hear a
new world. We were like coming
routine. Okay. No,
we coming here to a historical
one-time event, an an unique event. And
that's what that's the way we we heard.
We were uh anxiously waiting to the
Fabangan. And when the reb was speaking
this is what we used to take and
appreciate everything the reb said. But
I have to clarify that those days this
lamemed
wasn't like
it was after
not like today those days to hear a tape
of the
I went to remember I went to
I got somebody that had the tape and I
had to go to his house and sit there the
whole day to hear the the fabangan
because you wouldn't let me take the
tape with me out of the house. Okay,
this wasn't a problem. I just want to
tell you today you have everything. The
the fabangans used to come out weeks,
months or years after the Reb said it.
It's not today like or after lamemed it
started coming right after Shabas. I
remember a mimer a mimemer uh
four weeks later between you and me who
will learn the mimer four years four
weeks later and and how it was and also
you didn't have this forum of cidus that
the mayor
were built on that you could be iron
a treasure then you would have. It's not
today. Today you have everything
everything put organized. You can hear
it. You can read it. You can read it in
English. You can read it in Hebrew.
Could read it in Yiddish.
Then to appreciate sure it's not you
it's not like stalling if I bring it
today starting if I bring it today sure
you can appreciate it if you don't do it
you're just I don't know what words to
use then you need a big gear you need a
gear you you need to come to to to
come to and to make sure that you
understand
general vault epis
and that's that is what make me I have
to engrave in myself what the Reb is
speaking I'm here I have to know what
the Reb is speaking this is what I
forced myself to remember what the Reb
says and and to concentrate and to have
and to pick up what the Reb says
You cannot have the the feeling how it
was then.
was enter
and I want to tell you I regret it but
you know cannot do anything today about
it. I regret all the things that we
didn't ask the Reb then the Reb was for
us. The Reb gave himself to us. We
didn't
make use of all the reb was giving us.
Why? Because
we we we were afraid because you're
you're referring to when you were
writing and then you were able to ask.
>> Yeah. Yes. We thought the what you
writing was but really was a mistake.
Was a big mistake. was a big mistake.
>> Okay, one second. So how did you get
involved in I mean it sounds like
because you were being ma and you were a
good candidate but but what candidate I
just was I went I went to to
after I start writing a little for
myself and I also by I put the word her
I put the word in and then I was helping
the other people that were writing the
anes it was a natural uh uh
it was natural used to go to in the
house to hear the after the
until it came. I mean the other ones
that were that were used to be writing
and they hold up just a little time
after the
and then they they asked me know you
want to go continue writing. Okay.
It was a natural thing was not.
>> So you wrote and I didn't write.
>> Okay. Okay. So, let me ask you about
that because as someone who uh watches
and listens to
my are still, you know,
you know, you have to really really
focus be able to to be able to to
understand
to to transcribe it and to make from it.
Now, I don't know if even all of the
people that wrote the were capable. I
don't know. So what is the process of of
of
understanding of transcribing
from the raba? Maybe you can talk about
that a little bit.
>> No, we you had the mimer.
You you you you made a basic seder of
the mimemer right after the rebimemer.
You on your head you made some kind of a
of a seder what it was and what Yeah.
And also we had the
and the of
that he had
the clarity in the mimer
[clears throat] gave us the the cuff in
the mimemer is really the of
yes we added a dort over the main let's
say
the kutachedro
spinal
I don't know how to say it
>> spine
>> spinal cord
>> yes this was
even that he wasn't hazing but he was
listening to somebody else saying it but
he was organizing it putting
even he didn't write the memory but he
was the spinal I'm talking on the the on
the shabas fabangans so Faban without a
>> tape
>> without a tape or you had also the
writing of the rashimes on the second
day of yont used to write bishas m
whatever was speaking they were writing
>> right
>> yes and then you had of the the the
tapes but I have to tell you whoever
listens to a tape not because he listens
to a tapes means that he can understand
the mimemer we had to Hore very much to
understand
what the Reb wanted to say, how the Reb
built it, what was the connection to one
part to the other part. It was a hard
not because you had a tape you knew even
you had the typed word by word doesn't
mean that you understood what the Reb
was saying. You had
>> and this is specifically my as opposed
to Yes. Yes. No, they were my morning.
They were clearly. No, because sometimes
in my mim the reb used to say a few
words very and it meant the whole in
that you had to understand the whole in
to see the connection to what is being
said before was is the buildup.
this mile flow from
that he understood the my
>> right.
Okay. So was there something spe spe spe
spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe
spe spe spe spe spe spe spe specific
happening in your times like aesh in the
way the were being produced like was
there something new or you just
continuing with what happened before
the way they were produced? No.
And then there once said to write
not in order you don't have to write one
under the other one but uh
>> what is it that what's you don't have to
write the manus because started giving
out with March the s and the mayor it
was late year and Even the buil the
beauty muga I'm talking
>> right
>> before the beauty muga didn't have mal
mccas under and the reb said you can
write one after the other you don't have
to write one under the other
one and next to it the two and next to
it the three puted one in one should two
in the second line and three in the
third line [snorts] but uh
I won't tell you what happened with in
Lamemed Zion
in Bosan Zion
were different things that happened.
One thing that happened was that Rabbi
Goner came out from the Reb's room and
he brought the books
that the Reb gave him from each one of
Rabenu
uh with a paper inside
that they should have all the mentions
in the places of Rabiu
what he what he mentioned but he he came
out from the Reb's from the Reb's room
with the books in the hand
and he gave it to me the books to
before used to the Reb used to write it
butto this book in this in this place
looks like in this time the Reb even
didn't have the time to write it and he
sent out the books that he used with
this paper inside and sent out all the
books. This is and then we wrote in a
hano was two memory was by day and
we sent in the an from by day with a sh
with a question
or even we didn't send the an yet. No,
we just sent in we just sent in a
question and the first wrote
the central m should be the mimer of mo
shabasm
more more in public. Yeah. And this m
should be the basis and the office which
the addings and uh
changes of the from the mimer by day we
should put either in brackets in the
mimer or under under the line or the
yeah we choose to put it under the line.
That's the way we organized the mimer.
But we didn't understand that the reba
the mimer. No, we didn't understand
because those years the reb wasn't
maimmed.
Lamemed was mia. Lamemed after a long
time after a long time from lamemed base
lame
the reb was mia there
and then
and later on we found in the reb's room
also
was also mug but he didn't give it out
and then was a mime also that he was
mugisher
but unexpect ffected and lame.
Nobody in those days nobody dreamt the
re mia. Nobody dreamt and uh only
special occasions mameish
and uh
we we prepared the m the reb was mi.
Yeah. But the question was we had a
question
that the reb brought from every one of
the rabb
from the reb Marash
the co from re Marash
that there mad in
yusho
matri
he explained it in the mimer what it is
and [snorts] asked the reb The
explanation the reb gave on the mmer was
different
what what what means yusha different
that what the re marash says
the re is entitled to say what he wants
but he he said it in the name of re
Marash
that's why we asked
>> Mhm.
And I will tell you we were stupid. But
the Reb answered
uh we should write the way the Reb
Marash says.
Shame
the same way they don't understand the
explanation how this comes together with
the rea mar according to your question.
Yeah, that's asking such
that this is not what
they will not miss anything
if if they don't know about the whole
thing.
Why were we stupid? Because we had to
understand
if we could put
the
the mar says like this
is obliged the added something but but
since we were
he mentioned marash and he said that's
why I said we we did some stupidities.
We did some stupidities. There was
another mimer
of
Nissan and the mimemer speaks different
migragas
about the mile of etc. And we asked that
we we see there is no compatibility
in the mimemer.
And the Raman said this is the whole
concept of the mime to [clears throat]
>> there's no comp compatibility with the
mus no in the same mime first he says
that
is this then he said another way of
say this doesn't come together
said
for the m is to Oh
to show always what is the union of
I mean
[clears throat] you're talking here
things not compatible with this is the
whole mimer to
>> yeah the idea He was to show
goes all over the Madas.
I mean
then there was the m of
there was
Yeah.
Also,
>> yeah, the mimer came out
>> right before the
heart attack.
>> Yes. In the morning,
the reb went we saw the reb went into
the suka with the mimemer
and came out with the suk from the suka
and gave out the mimer and the mimer was
even
sugapped.
I don't say sugar clipped
a piece attached a piece of cake
that mean was eating mus found
while it was mad and the piece of mus
was attached come over and I took the
piece I need it [laughter]
but uh and he gave out the mmer when we
received the mmer
We we were not sure the re was Makia,
not Makia. I mean Re was Makia, but it
wasn't
like a normal prepared mimer.
We we we we had doubts, but we didn't
want to ask.
Yes. To
>> it was it wasn't heavily mug like usual.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it wasn't
heavenly, but it was it was it had it
had because I in
was a
well the reb was ma a whole part with a
strong hag
strong but he put on top of it built mug
that's why the ml came out the
Hano
we made a a difference from other
memorial
point
>> point
but the rev that's why we were afraid
but here the rev didn't say built
>> we had let's what we do we wrote we send
it in like for Hagagoy like like a mug
but just added the word Han. The Reb
didn't add the word Han.
The Reb add the word Han.
We could have not put the word Han also,
but we were afraid we added the word.
And then there the
he writes
that is being recognized on his attitude
and behavior, how he eats, how he
drinks, how he does business, etc., etc.
on the word.
The Reb added
and adding
the heart of the wise is on the right
side with the march.
This was in the first
was in the second I think. So this is
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
After what happened
we understood by the reb
>> after the heart
>> wanted to put something about the heart.
He would put in the mimemer something
about the his heart to to to be mazak
the heart to to I don't know but I it
was clearly because it wasn't something
that gives you a special explanation in
the mimemer add something in the
understanding of the mimer.
So leave
>> there's another
speaks
about the
and he asks
he says he brings from the
from the alterbas of a whole
eb cry he could be a baneer
And the Reb asked a question. How could
be cry
is there that
he
that means his he's satisfaction is
and how could you say somebody that
his satisfaction his
is he should be a
And the whole put a lot of work into it
in the
second again.
The whole piece of
very very strong put in there
few.
>> Okay. Then another interesting thing I
can tell you was Lamemed Zion Bosilani.
Besides Lamian Bosilani,
what was Lame Z so special? Lame Z was
the reb was 75 years old
and were threeim
afteri
later on was Hinani Mir Shalak
there then was a third mimemer
a third mimer I think it was alishad the
third mimer I don't remember Is history
maybe Is history in the tree
the reb added added
apos of his peric
he was 75 years old
it wasn't usual the reb adding things to
my buoyim
>> the reb added and in one of the added
like six seven shas with the beer on the
posy
on the puk
that of his perk. This was very
interesting that onim
he added kesh on this when he was 75
years old.
I don't know if people
not notice these things.
Uh
>> I don't think people even knew what what
added right.
Only you people knew.
>> Yeah. But I think we
we pointed out I think
>> Mhm.
>> we make a point of it. But okay, he had
it once.
But you see my
ink
when 75 years old make a point of it is
not
>> it's not what
>> it's not
the answer.
Sometimes we we are we have a
we take things you know cold
>> everything is
okay
there any other meodm that you want to
highlight right now
>> at this moment I don't remember can
highlight something different. It was on
has to do with a mimer but wasn't in the
time that I was writing my mor was
already when I was in
I was here at Teskisliff
I was a fabbringan
and the next day I traveled back to
Argentina I was I came to I don't know
why I came in this something to do with
my work of raising fund raising I don't
know and I wrote into the reb
And uh
the time going back and the rebro back
surely you took it yourself. You took
with you the rashima of yesterday's
mimer. That means it is wasn't
Fes
and I came here for for fundraising.
You surely took with yourself the
>> Yeah.
[laughter]
[snorts] Hope hopefully uh everything
you just said will add to that. So you
you were doing the
basically.
>> Yeah.
So maybe you could tell me a little bit
about your and your and I think they're
connected, right? You already alluded to
it. Maybe you can tell me what happened
over there.
>> [snorts]
>> Rabbi Bombgart
used to travel in the Argentinian summer
to Israel to visit his parents
to London to visit his daughter
and then just to come to New York to
visit another daughter and mainly to be
by the Rebe
arrived on Friday morning in London
and he had a
um ACV and a cerebral
incident. How do you say uh
>> like a heart?
>> Sheets moi.
>> Oh, a stroke.
>> A stroke. He had a stroke
and uh he passed away from this stroke.
And um
before even he came the came to New
York, he was brought to New York. He's
buried behind the rebel. Yeah.
And um
Rabbi Klene called another Ber and me
to Rabbi Hodakov
and Rabbi Hodakov told us to take care
of the
things that Rabbi Bombgartner was taking
care especially about mats to make sure
that in Argentina it's going to be hunt
matz for pesak because Rabbi Bombgarten
was bringing every here hunt matzah
and [snorts] he used to bring also other
kosher products from for matz oil for
besa oil other things potato starch and
um
we asked his son
and he said that everything is taken
care is going to be m okay but that
means already before the the levaya came
to New work uh the rebels already
diagoning what's going to be with Rabbi
Bongard's position
as Shia in Argentina
by the way
Moz Shabas
before the program of Rabbi Vineberg
called
the rabbi I think called Mashkat I think
it
He was also part of the Vat for in the
radio and the reb [snorts] gave him
money and told him that he wants to
sponsor the program of Moz Shabas the
nishmas of Rabbi Bombgart.
Now going back after uh
the everything told me to get in contact
with Anash in Bonosirus to be let's say
between five and 10 Anash families in
Bonosirus then to get in contact with
them and to see if They have somebody to
suggest to come
in in place of Rabbi Bumgarten. And they
gave they I
I went to Rabbi to Rabbi Hodakov and I
told them that told him that they
suggested me to come.
Okay. Raakov told me, "Okay, write to
the Reb
if you are ready to take the position."
I wrote to the Reb
very straight
asking
[laughter]
that I'm ready if this and this
then I am ready to take this
If the Rever wants it and
if there wants it and
I'm capable for it,
I'm ready to give myself over to the
and the Reb
surrounded all the words. The Reb wants
it.
The Reb wants it and I am capable. we
surrounded the whole thing. And uh in
the same letter
uh when I wrote that I was proposed to
write in to the rebu
somebody to be in coiler the whole year.
Besides the point I even don't have a
even don't have a don't have a don't
have a color. I I don't have a wife. How
can I go to
I got this and the Reb answered
look for
besides that he surrounded the whole
other world. He puts
and then about what I wrote. The Reb
wants to be in coiler a year after the
marriage. The reb wrote
here is different.
Okay. Um
then
>> now you have to find the
>> huh.
>> Now you have to find the
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was uh I they
have they have to find a shidak and went
through three days.
I didn't have any normal
offer any proper offer. I wrote into the
Reb have any proper offer already three
days the Reb told me to get a shak
and the Reb gave me a ask
[laughter]
laughed but he said asken
and the same day I got from three names
uh the shidak of my wife
>> three different people. Yeah,
was a whole protise about it also.
Anyways
about the
and this was and then I wrote into the
Niss
I got from the reban
Pes.
I went I met my wife first time since it
was Pesak. We met in her house
and
Dal Eeyore was already divor.
That means from youth Alf till Dal
Eeyore took the place the whole the
whole thing of the preparation of aid.
Okay. me.
I was going on the revisest places.
My wife was 19 years old,
never heard about Argentina.
And uh here she had to decide aid
go to Argentina
on
in one decision everything.
She says she didn't have any doubt. She
wanted
no doubt
by her by her group of friends. You go
to no doubt about it. She was 19 years
old and she accepted the
the whole thing the whole package.
Okay. After
the Reb answered the boat for the for
the Shidak
and after and and in the answer
when we wrote
about when making the etc etc the said
should go already to Argentina before
the wedding
and come back here for Hass
and the Reb took care of the ticket. He
paid for the ticket
and
um I asked the Reb, I'm getting married
was the marriage and we were here. I was
traveling
vi or I was traveling to Argentina.
>> What year is this?
Mhm.
>> And uh
I asked the Reb if since I'm traveling
to before the wedding, I have to learn
before the wedding if I am if I ever
refuse to take from my two hours a day.
One hour for and one hour for.
And then I also ask and how should I
organize my sidri
when I am ready on
when you
>> married
and the first thing the Reb answered
obvious you can take the two hours and
learn
[snorts] and later the Reb answered
decide when time comes.
When I received the answer,
really
I felt like the Reb didn't didn't answer
me.
You decide
like the Reb pulled himself out. He
doesn't want to take of my learning.
[laughter]
He doesn't want to say and then I don't
fulfill. I don't know why the rebet said
like this but like he moved he removed
himself from from the union that's what
I felt as a idiot in this moment
but really with time I understood this
was the answer when you areas
you have to decide
there are moments when you have more
time there are moments you don't have
time there moments that you need it You
need it and you have to make time. It's
not something that is how do you say
kua
is not nailed how to do it.
Every situation is different. Every
moment situation is different. That's
what the Reb said
you will have to decide because not I
cannot give you one C for always the C
for always is you take decision
how to when to learn how to learn.
>> My wife Yeah. Yeah. My wife stayed in
New York for the Hass and I was coming
back two weeks before the Hass
one the Hass and one week before because
I almost I barely saw my wife at all
because I saw her first time
and Zor
already traveled.
How many times did I see her? I came a
week at least two weeks before the to
see it again. [laughter]
Anyways,
uh came Shu
came Shu
and um was qualies already started. The
squ is then after
also the reb sitting in
by the door receiving the panim giving
the dollars and a friend of my wife that
was getting married was going on and
Rabbi Klein tells my wife
are you going on tonight and he said my
wife said no why he said why not I'm
going to go into when my husband when my
hus comes comes I'm going to go for
alone I go to the together with my
when he comes back when he comes back
okay it's going to be you
got married you end of the we will go
into your
Rabbi Klein said you go into day and
then you go again.
The kids are the seder walls that first
went all the
and then went all the colors.
When my wife came in front of the Reb,
the Reb took a pack of dollars,
looked at her,
put the pack of dollars down,
took a took a bigger pack of dollars
and gave it to her.
After the
my wife asked around no she received $5
of from the reb
and she asked she saw $5 is a is a
pretty good number. She didn't hear that
the ever gives out $5
and she asked to other girls those times
all the girls were friends of the same
kid. I mean it wasn't a huge oil from
the whole world it was a ask everybody
got three
only $3 she got five
what happened was that when she told me
she's going into I told her I have to
get
prepared
because when you are going to go there
I'm also going to be there
I'm not going I also want I'm going to
be with you
say I'm going with you on
and we
explained
you understood that the Reb gave my wife
$5
because she also gave for me because
even though the Reb didn't ask her her
name the whole shoot of girls
she went through when the Reb looked at
her she he already had the dollars in
the hand put it down and put took more
>> amazing
okay so then you had the attack went
again that's what happened
>> yeah yeah and then happened what I told
you the story of Mazimer
>> that was
>> yeah this was by the
>> so then you went as a couple to
Argentina
>> so what happened going to Argentina.
>> [laughter]
>> What happened was
that uh
okay the first give us
and he also gave me pesos
Argentinian pesos 3,000 Argentinian
pesos he gave me
that really these pesos were not
uh already
in uh
>> circulation
>> in circulation and they were already
changed because they had on on on top of
them they had a a stamp changing their
value that means was already changed one
time the value and then was out of
circulation but that means the rebels
from long time ago he kept the dollars
gave it to me $3,000 then 3,000 pesos
with three bills. Each bill was thousand
pesos. Each bill was thousand pesos. And
uh he gave me
uh $5. $5
when when we stood next to the door of
Ganed.
>> So you went together this time.
>> Yes. Yes. We went together to receive
the block for for for going out on the
Yeah.
And uh uh we're standing there. The Reb
came out of from Ma and he saw us and he
said,
First of all,
the normal way that I used to say was
I traveled a lot of times. Always the
Reb used to say
this time the Reb said
first
He said it
and he said everything in Edish
different than August. The second thing
the Reb pressed every word he said.
He didn't speak flu fluent was stressing
every every word.
After this I told my wife something is
happening
when we took the plane took the plane
the plane was supposed to make
let's say Tossy two
two stops in the middle
when made three stops
and took time etc arrived to Chile
arrived to Chile
already
late morning was supposed to arrive
early morning and right away to come to
Benosirus
Mamshik to Benosirus
and but arrived late morning and people
were started complaining
No, but before I forgot something and
they said
our plane is leaving 9:00 at night,
people started complaining was we we
came late here then we have the whole
day in in Chile. 9:00 at night we have
to leave was was people started
complaining then was a military regime
in uh in Chile and they controlled the
airports and everything and also the
company was a national company Chile I
told my wife what do they think they
complain around they say like this like
this mean but what you you're talking
also 48 years ago what you complaining
to The people in the company they they
said the plane is going out at 9:00.
It's going out at 9:00. What can you do?
The M said
half an hour later they collapsengers
of this flight of Nile
goat boarding.
What happened? We're boarding. Okay.
Looks like the tinus of Gatsan effect.
We're boarding. We came we went out on a
plane of another company
called Ayro Peru
and we went on top on this flight
like 1:00 we went on top. Yeah, we
arrived in Bonosirus 2:30
and we arrived in Bonosirus.
They say the luggage is not here.
Why? because they transferred some of
the passengers.
All the passengers, they already went to
eat. They sat down to eat. They this
they they stayed there or they said,
"Okay, we're going tonight." Okay. Those
that were waiting just there
went into Peru and they they only
transferred a few passengers, half of
the passengers, let's say, and without
the luggage. Okay. Came to Monocyus. We
say, "Okay, we will wait for the
luggage.
wait for the luggage. We didn't go back
to the city because go back city is 1
hour. Come back is another hour again
another hour. Okay, we stay wait there
for the luggage.
Kids said it was like
9:00 at night, 10:00 at night, people
come running into the airport. What
happened? The plane fell down. Plane
coming from China fell down. I told the
guy, "You are joking." [laughter]
He says, "No, it's true." What happened
was
>> there's passengers on it.
>> And here, here, listen, listen. The the
the plane, I don't know why, went down 2
kilometers before the airport and got
into the trees. There is a a a sod
a sod
field next to the airport and he got
stuck in the in the trees of the soda.
What happened was that since the the
plane was half empty because half of the
passengers went in the pre-or flight of
Peru, they all had time to to jump from
the plane was not one casualty.
Not one casualty. And right after the
people
jumped down, the whole plane went on
flames.
And we have I have in my house the paper
the newspaper big headlines
by miracle
was no no how do you say catastrophes
the rabbit
You had no luggage.
>> No luggage. No luggage.
>> Most people say they came with a sack on
their back. You came without a sack on
your back.
>> No, I had it on the back.
>> Okay, fine.
>> On the back. Yeah. Yeah. Because I had
all theim of the myim
that I hadis and answers with me.
I wanted to send it in the luggage. And
my brother came and says you don't send
this on the luggage. You take this in
the head. This is what's the difference
in the hand of the luggage.
It was the difference between the hand
of the luggage.
Also the the the the the
shabas candles that I the shabas lighter
that I brought for the house and all
these thing we had in the in our hands.
All the all the precious things that you
cannot recover we had in our heads. And
what happened was okay all my I had a
nurse. I I I met a a lawyer for for
these kinds of accidents. One time I I
saw him not not before and not after
only one time and he told me and could
that what they want the companies want
to pay is according to some kind of
value of the gold and that this is not
legally right. You have to mod you have
to uh ask request they should pay you
according to to London the value of the
gold in London and when they the vice
president came and and he started
telling we're going to give you this
told no but you have to give me this
this is okay what did you have inside I
I told him what I I just got married the
kids said they gave me $7,000
with this $7,000
we paid to buy an apartment
and my my my father and my mother-in-law
they both gave us the money to buy again
all the things in America and then we
got it here but the kids next morning I
called up Rabakov and told him what
happened and the Reb's answer was
no
this was the reb's
Mhm.
>> But was interesting that the Reb didn't
make any any fuse of it any made any you
know like forget about it and keep on
going.
>> Mhm.
>> He didn't make from it the whole story.
>> Okay. So tell me tell me about So what
were you doing there? What was the
uh What did he do then those early
years?
Oh,
[laughter]
now first of all,
I tell you something.
I'm not going.
Let's
change a little sader.
A months later after we arrived,
a few parents came to ask asking us we
should start a a a girls seminary, a
high school.
Why? Because these girls were learning
in a basak of school in Buenocirus
and there here used to be election.
There are elections here in the ID.
And they are also like in Israel you
have the part different parties the same
parties you have in Argentina also for
the
[snorts]
and [clears throat] you had in the
two parties
and the girls these girls didn't work
for the party of the school
they were for another khalisha party.
>> It's like a party in the government.
>> No, in the Ka.
>> In the Ka. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. And there was a rabbi.
He was a big big misnugget.
He threw out all the girls. They didn't
help for this party.
And the parents of these girls came to
us and told us they were connected more
to Kabat. Those parents have some
connection to Kabad, Rabba Bongart.
We should why don't we should open a a
high school for the girls. 15 girls. I
wrote into the Rebi
and the Reb gave me an answeric
answer.
The Reb answered me like this.
your starting point in your work
between brackets
the first year
to put good fundament base strong base
make strong
and amplify
the things that Kabad has in Argentina,
they already exist existing
and the word massudor
underlined.
That means everything well organized.
And the le gave me to understand
that he wants me to build up an
organized institution.
Not just
I to start a new
a new way
of
work of kabat in Argentina
in a well organized institutional way.
And
Daniel wrote,
"Oh,
no. This is the first thing is to
Does alcohol to concur conquer public
opinion
on agra
how you say on a pleased pleasant
and peaceful way.
Then he wrote
me Misukanal,
an institution of this type. We're
talking about 15 girls
will demand from you
the the the majority of your attention
and your time.
And essay wrote that this is also
connected to
no
it has to be devoted
to what I wrote you before between
brackets.
>> So it's going to be distraction.
>> Yeah.
>> From your from your
>> Yes. And when he wrote me everything
dark at the end he wrote
concuring public opinion the pleasant
way
is opposite of going and open an
institution because they threw out the
girls. You go and you open another
institution. This is not the way that I
want you to work.
This for me is a fundamental
mamesh line
things has to be meas
solid base not things has to be solid as
a base
has to be strong
and then the told me even you don't do
things
you have a 15 goals
receiving education.
You have to put yourself into it. You
don't do it.
15 girls talking 48 years ago is another
way. It's not like today.
We didn't have the problems that we have
today.
said, "No,
you
type of you have to put yourself inside.
You don't do it."
And also the
I'm still working on it to do things
well organized. I didn't accomplish it
yet. [laughter]
Okay. Why did I say this? You ask me
what did I do at the beginning? When I
came here, there was some inabat what
things rabbi bombard did before first of
all to take I remember I just came
off started
there was the whole
learning
was already the whole campaigns that
started already in the talking we were
already
was a lot and then we started going with
the people going with those people close
to Anash to go onto was a big big work
big work
>> that wasn't and that wasn't really done
yet in Argentina
>> that wasn't done yet in Argentina
>> that was yes done but now I came I have
to take care of now and also was yeshiva
had a yes yeshiva
let's say 20 25 kids uh gold every one
of them.
>> The one that you were in when did I
because when I was I was in yeshiva
>> he had his own yeshiva at that point.
>> Yes. After he was thrown out from
yeshiva
>> and also
there was an organization that was
connected to Rabbi Bumgarten. The since
they were connected to Rabbi Bumgarten
they were also thrown out from from
their building.
And then when they were thrown out and
rabbi bank was thrown out from from
Yeshu
because came this same Miss Nagish rabbi
came then he he he made sure throughout
everybody
and then today there's no these things
don't exist anymore
everything
I'm talking story from 48 years ago.
>> Mhm.
>> And um
he started his own yeshiva. He started
on Yeshiva in a in a apartment that a
family close to him.
Abut family helped him, gave him an
apartment to for the Shiva and Him Lidas
started. No, he was there. He Yeah.
Yeah, he was already back. was already
back from New York and he he was
supporting the yeshiva financially
and he started the yeshiva and and this
was the basis of of the basis of anash
was the yeshiva that he made and from
then came out the the first
when I came I I appointed started the
first thing I did
was to start Mahn Gamroll Gamroll camp.
We got married with Tamos
and Tamos here in Argentina is winter
vacation
and
first of all we had in Argentina.
We restarted.
I went with Rabbi Daniel
four years already in city toukum.
one and a half hours by plane from
Buenosiris
and we went to Merkash in whole
provinces of Argentina, 10 cities each
time for a whole months and uh was
Merkash also this year and we started a
camp with this same Bim started a camp.
I was in New York getting married but we
had a camp here in Argentina for none
from children was a camp from nan from
children and this was the first let's
say na
campis we had like 40 50 kids overnight
camp not from not from families they had
the
immune they have the confidence to give
their children to these Orthodox rabbis.
It was a special time also in Argentina
politically. It was under a military
regime and all organizations
were like closed by by the government.
All the youth organizations that mainly
they were more lefties they were closed.
That's why I didn't know the whole thing
but dismay that a lot of kids. We
brought kids from all from all the
country. We traveled with with a boss
from bringing from from different
cities. We brought kids 70 kids. This
was half a year later we had a
summer camp. And later on I tell you
right away the first months I was asked
from a school called Wolson school to
teach the kids bar mitzvah.
Okay. I taught these kids bar mitzvah.
Some of them I just found them 48 years
later. [laughter]
Yeah. But the main the main story is
that 20 years ago
we took over the Wson school kabat
>> the school was going into bankruptcy by
a ness mamesh we took over the school
the school just had 118 children left
and today the school has 550 children.
>> Yeah. But this was the first school
where I went in that I taught the
children to put on film. It was a
conservative school under the
conservative movement.
But the manel was orthodoxminded. That's
why she called me to teach. This was the
first pill
outside.
>> Were there um other that you got from
the over the years for the
I had a settle.
I I had a
[sighs and gasps]
we I had a talle. I wrote I wrote to the
reb after two three years. I was inas.
Yeah. Three years. I uh the the called
for a meeting
called for a meeting for all the
orthodox organizations
that assimilation is very strong and now
nobody is doing nothing.
I was sitting there and I felt very bad.
What do you mean nobody's doing nothing?
We were working. We were used to go to
schools. We had we had suka mobilebiles.
We going to all the non religious
schools. We used to go to all the
country clubs of the non-religious. We
were everybody. We gave shi we we we
brought professor Branover all of us to
Argentina to give lectures. We had
great great persistence mameish great
persistence we had here. And uh how do
they say nobody's doing anything? Okay,
you can say it's not enough but not to
mention the work of Kabat and when I
wrote
D to the Reb used to write a D
everything that's going on. I wrote the
D I wrote about this meeting and I wrote
they had
they didn't mention the work of Kabat
but they didn't ask for the question.
And he was part of a whole long d. And
next to it, the Reb put a question mark
and
and how do you say exclamation mark
and wrote next to the words? What means?
Let me get the whole m about the matis.
You know them. I mean
>> what's the story?
>> Huh?
>> What's the story of the matis?
>> Yeah.
Story of the matters was
Maliff Memb I don't remember
malef
was a big big devaluation in Argentina
of the dollar of the peso
and somebody told and also in Brazil and
somebody told the reb about it and
thought that it's going to be a problem
with matches because you bring mats come
from Israel and you pay dollars and it's
going to be a price that people will be
able to afford it.
And Rabbi Hodakov contact me and asked
me if there is enough mats.
Really,
I didn't see a special, but he asked me
if they're matches. I told him really
there's not enough mats because there
was here a main a main factory baking
mats but the main production was without
know
nothing and if I make a most of the
people in the street used to buy these
mats and they brought masses from Israel
but for let's say 10,000 kilos 5,000
kilos not for the whole for 100,000 Jews
that live in Bonosai 150,000 Jews
The kids said, I answered, "No, it's not
enough. It's how much you need." I told
him, "No, if there are 200,000 Jews, at
least one kilo per per Jew for a whole
week. 1 kilo mat for Jew. I need 200,000
kilos." 200,000 kilos is like 400,000.
Need 400,000.
>> I said, "How many match has arrived?" 2
and a half,000 kilos.
Okay,
that's what it is. But the Reb was very
involved in it. Mamesh very involved in
it. And I felt that the RE was on the on
the telephone. I think so. But
>> and uh
I wrote everything to the Reb.
Everything to the Reb. What we did even
I also wrote there was a Satmer Rovo.
There was a friend of mine that he was
asking me what's what's going on because
the matters were machine matters were
machine matters
machine
he asked me why you give out mis
was I think of salv why don't you bring
a better ash from machine mis
I wrote everything to the rabbi
the kids are next year.
Next year
I was in New York together with Rabbi
Vitman
and Rabbi Hodakov calls us and we used
to go all theat when the summer here go
to New York. It was before Pesak and
>> we used to go to Vitment together.
>> No, no, no. But he was also from Brazil.
It's the same. Yeah. Yeah. And we were
both I ju I just interviewed him and he
spoke about how you and him went to
Russia together.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But here is another
story. This this story took place in 770
>> and uh
Raakov called both and he asked us if we
need matzah for this year. How much
matzah do we need? He asked how much
matzah do we need? I told
last year you asked me how much m do we
need? I told you we need 200,000 kilos.
You send two and a half thousand.
Whatever you will send, we will use.
That's what I told him. Two days later,
Rabakov calls us again to his room and
does the Reb was very nonpleased from
your answer.
You have to say what you need. You don't
have to make the calculation of the
other person.
From there I also got a strong hoya.
Then
we had another thing that um
some yeshiva wanted we should take them
over.
We we wrote to the reb about it
that they they came and they want to
give over the whole yeshiva.
And the Reb answered
the Reb was very involved.
The Reb was on the telephone
speaking to me about it
and even giving the name. But the Reb
had a clear condition.
Kaba doesn't make with nobody.
and said because when you have two
different shim this is the way for mas
has to be one balos there's one bal boss
no mas
okay
didn't want kabat to do something in
conjunction
>> yes if we take over we take them in
consideration the wanted to keep their
name everything take them in
consideration
>> like Los Angeles the sh
>> yeah yeah The Reb brought them the the
Reb brought the example from Los
Angeles. The Reb to you in
>> Yes. On the phone.
>> On the phone
>> was speaking. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Like
the spoke. You heard the deb on the
telephone.
>> Yes. Yes. like other
and he said yeshiva benocus ben no the
ish was called okay I don't want to give
more details about it and and leel
at the end they said there should be a
vat of three balim if there is any any
misunderstanding
They should be like a consulting vat.
And
said
like he he drew himself out of it.
Seems like this. Huh?
>> Like that's that's all that's all I'm
saying about this topic.
>> Yes. Yes. And Reb said every night
before the previous says
everything has to be legal
has to be legal legal.
That's why I'm saying it because I think
this is a hoy pett in in in a scholus.
>> Mhm.
>> And when I came into Yahidas
half a year later, more than half a year
later, came into Yahidas
in the room,
the first thing the asked me
what happened with the yeshiva.
This is the first thing the Reb asked
me.
I said, I told to the
laughed and said,
You don't so you don't you don't have to
blame it on the I'm saying I'm telling
you
[laughter]
>> and then the says don't worry
don't become
this uh how do you say
don't become uh
this uh
>> dejected dejected.
>> No, don't don't become uh
without
don't be don't feel bad. Let's say don't
feel bad. Keep on going your your your
work. They give big blockers.
>> Well, is yeshivad.
>> Yeah. Today is today is big is 160 and
we're now thinking about rebuilding the
whole the building. No. What are you
talking?
They couldn't believe it.
Wow.
Okay. There's a story you had with
answer.
>> Oh, this was 10 years.
>> Yeah. 10 years after I was on
I wrote a title to the Reb
>> asking
but I wrote that I feel after 10 years I
feel more I feel weaker
and weaker
that's what I wrote
the
rabb pointed about
What did I understand? You are
that means you feel weak.
You feel weakness.
is feeling weak and we if you are you
cannot feel like that
I wrote to the after 10 years of
I was expecting some kind of a
but if you don't feel after 10 years
you don't feel the privilege you don't
feel you're strong you don't feel the
sing you don't feel the
you.
>> Okay, that's good. Did you ever write to
the Reb about uh the of of the the
kaspi? You know, the financial burden
that that you have uh any interactions
about that?
>> It was another story. You you want to
hear the whole the whole 48 years in uh
in in three hours.
Anyways,
what was was touching me and base was
the war of the malvenas
in England. In England they call it
folklands
but this is really valas are Argentine
and they are malvenas not fa [laughter]
was the war.
It was a very hard time also
economically in the in country
and I had to go and pick up some 500
copies of of to of the week was the saua
the weekly s and I didn't have money for
the boss to go pick up the the but I
cannot call up somebody asking do you
have money to go with the boss say I
called somebody for donation then I
called another and The people answered
me, you know, I already went through a
war. I'm really thinking what's going to
do here if I'm staying here.
I got two answers like this. I just felt
what what's going on here? Yeah.
I pick up the phone. It was 2:00 in the
afternoon Argentina time.
Maybe in America it was 1:00 or 12:00
anyways. But it was a time when in order
to get in contact to America, you needed
two to three days to make the connection
and also later on that America should
call you back to also used to take
another day
to make the connection.
the mice. I I pick up the phone, I call
up, five minutes later, I get connected
to the international service.
Okay, I already got connected. They
connected me to 770.
But 770 had two telephone numbers that
were known for everybody. Mosquitoes
and 493525 uh 4939251.
These were two the two telephone numbers
of mosquitoes
and
they were always busy. Always busy. You
have only two telephones in the world
central two telephone lines busy the
whole time. Even if pick up I had to I
wanted to speak to Ra Kakov to speaking
about the situation.
Dman because Raikov worked in Meros and
in Mach and I don't know other things
what he and and if he was working for
Meros he didn't pick up Mach things if
he was working Mach didn't pick up for
Meros things I don't know where he was
holding exactly if you can pick up my
phone
that means I had to go through a lot of
a lot of barriers till I got to Rabakov
[clears throat] but here
got connected to America right away.
Telephone rings. It's not busy sign.
It's ringing.
Rabbi Klein right away
to Rabbi Kakov. Nope. I tell him the
whole story. What's going on?
And I leave it. That's it. Okay. We'll
call him back.
10 minutes later I got a phone call from
Rabbi K also take one day right away I
saw that
the the tear of him and how often
says you ask for money
a time ago tick this was like in
was
it was or by asking for money.
>> I'm not following. You asked for money
before.
>> Yes, in order but never got an answer
about it.
>> Okay.
>> Mhm. No, I got an answer. Rabadakov told
me you know what he told me was you
coming to take money from the Kaiser's
Oiter. You come from the treasure of the
Sar. You come take money. You have to
bring money to the SARS treasury. But
you coming to take money from the SARS
treasury.
This was his answer. [laughter]
But I forget about it. Okay.
Uh is say you ask for money time ago.
The Reb appointed to give you a loan.
The Rebel wrote $2,000, but he changed
it to 3,000.
You should have an idea. In this time,
a worker, a clean worker in the Biscabat
used to receive $25 a month.
>> That means 2,000 $3,000 was money,
>> right?
>> And Okay. and you give it back the way
you want and when you want.
And then the Reb gave you the Reb said I
said like this the Reb said give over to
you on the other
we didn't send you to make the
calculations
of the economic policy of the country.
Your job is
your job is
spreading guide and spreading the mayus.
You didn't say mayon. Yeah.
Uh surely
talking about with confidence in the
surely
people will ask you what you think about
the future.
You should say you're not a prophet,
but you your job is to spread Edishkite
and the mayon.
This was the answer.
>> Unbelievable.
>> And this is for me a key answer
because if not I wouldn't be able to go
over all kinds of crisis and situations
that we went through here in Argentina.
We started building the new building of
the school that finished already three
years ago in the worst moment of
pandemia of of of COVID.
>> We're not allowed to be two people
together
and then we start building [laughter]
the worst moment. Kids are uh but the
story didn't finishes there. This was on
a Tuesday.
Thursday
a good friend of mine Mr. The Solomon
Suton,
very prominent Sephardic family here in
Argentina, told me
go to such such bank
was a Jewish bank, speak to the
president,
ask him for a donation. They have money
now.
I told him it's already after banking
hours.
was after 3:00, after four o'clock. He
says, "No problem. You go, you bang the
door
by the street. You say you want to speak
to the president and you ask for a
donation." Okay. I came there, I bang
the door.
It never occured me. I can bank the door
of a bank after banking hours. But I
went back the door. They opened me. I
said, "Want come to speak to the
president?" They let me go up to the
president's office. I speak to the
president secretary
and and he goes into his office. He
says, "Wait, he will receive you."
At 7:00 he received me.
I tell him,
"You don't know me. I'm doing here the
work of I know you very well. I know
whatever you do. You don't have to tell
me."
was first time I was meeting him.
Tell me what you need. And I told him, I
have a depth of people $25,000
and he doesn't let me work because of
the depth. I cannot do things because I
have concentrate the whole time and I
have to pay.
Says, "Don't worry. Tomorrow we give you
the $25,000."
>> Yeah.
This was the first big donation
that I received from a donor. I was
receiving money from Lapid's family.
Very nicely. Yeah. But for the Shiva,
but from somebody out of the Kabad
circle was the first big dish.
Then I received Mr. millions from them
>> from the from the bank.
>> Yes.
the the bank went bankruptcy.
>> It's a whole story.
>> Okay. So, that's a little bit of a taste
of the of the the miracles of
So, did you did you bring to the Reba?
>> Sure.
>> Any story any stories that you want to
share about that? I brought the bal boss
to the reb
that um
he broke he went bankruptcy three times.
He was a giver and three times he bu
with me.
He didn't have money for the tickets.
He asked for a
by dollars. What? What is it?
>> No, no, no.
>> Mhm.
and u
asked for a bra
and since then he became [snorts]
but lately
and also he wanted to marry his children
and have not one child married didn't
have no money in one year he married two
of his three children
but this year
just a few weeks ago
one of children's showed me a letter
that the Reb wrote to his father.
Then I didn't know about the letter.
The Reb tells him, wants to thank him
for his help,
what he's doing for the Mes of the Reb,
especially
what he's doing to make bigger
The Reb sent him the
some the Reb thanking him what he's
doing for the Mes especially for Harov
is and underlined
then I have some other bad I cannot tell
the stories because they are too private
miracles.
There's a video of someone asking with
you I think by
that if she heard that that said whoever
wants to be could raise their hands but
she wasn't there so she's asking the bra
for that. No.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> That's just something that I saw.
>> They've had
this family.
>> Yes. And they know that the co is of the
reb
last week I was by the oil.
I called him up.
I ask him if he wants to ask something
special
and he says should be able to do Ver the
Albert this and then I tell him no you
are a partner of the Reb because we know
a soldier
amazing.
So let's end off like this. Um,
how do you uh live with the today in
your personal life and and what does it
mean to be aid after
we leave it for after Mashiach comes
>> the what? If you leave it after Mashia
comes. Okay. It's this is
too personal.
>> How you is too personal?
>> Who says I'm aid?
At least you sound like one.
>> I know. But you ask me to be, not to
sound like.
At
least you can other people can can give
you.
>> So what's the message to to me or to
anyone that listens that wants to be
today
that be connected to the rabbi today?
the way you're describing it
>> then
this is the way through this you have
you have everything through this you get
to everything through this you live with
the reb and you
actually get to everything
>> it's that simple
>> yes
it's simple to say you have to do it yes
you learn you are living it then okay
then you you work on yourself
then you work on yourself but you have
what with what to work
>> you work with the reb you don't work
with with your
stomach ideas
>> sounds very simple and a big aveda
And uh I appreciate very much that uh
this very conversation and you should
continue uh to fulfill the
>> Amen. I hope it's it's how do you say
>> 100%. It definitely will be.
Bye-bye.