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Ep. 62: Look For A Shidduch and Go On Shlichus with Rabbi Tzvi Grunblatt
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In this episode, Rabbi Tzvi Grunblatt, Head Shliach of Argentina, takes us through his remarkable journey that led him to become Lubavitch and eventually the Rebbe’s Shliach. Rabbi Grunblatt grew up in Argentina in a Yekkishe kehillah. During his youth, he became very close to the Rebbe’s Shliach to Argentina, Rabbi Berel Baumgarten. Although Rabbi Baumgarten did not formally teach him Chassidus, simply being around him opened Rabbi Grunblatt to a world of Chassidus and Lubavitch, eventually leading him to join a Lubavitch Yeshiva in New York. He shares what it was like arriving from Argentina with virtually no familiarity with Lubavitch culture, and how he quickly acclimated and developed a deep connection to the Rebbe. As his involvement grew, Rabbi Grunblatt describes the tremendous effort he invested in understanding the Rebbe’s farbrengens. This eventually led him to become involved in chazara and in the work of transcribing the Rebbe’s maamorim. He shares fascinating anecdotes and insights into certain maamorim that the Rebbe was magihah, and elaborates on them. The episode then turns to the passing of Rabbi Berel Baumgarten, and how that ultimately led to Rabbi Grunblatt being sent as a Shliach to Argentina- at the same time as the Rebbe instructed him to get look for a Shidduch. Rabbi Grunblatt recounts the dramatic story of his arrival in Argentina and goes on to share fascinating episodes from his decades of Shlichus, including remarkable moments in which the Rebbe was directly involved.
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We didn't send you to make the
calculations
of the economic policy of the country.
Your job is
your job is
spreading [music]
guide and spreading the mayon with
confidence in the
surely
people will ask you what you think about
the future.
You should say you're not a prophet,
but you your job is to spread Edish and
the may
this was that
I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among
an ongoing faban about life as our
vibrant [music] connection with the reb
and inspired living shaped by the way he
teaches us each and every day.
How are you?
>> Amen. Okay. Thank you very much. So um
looking forward to this conversation and
I would like to begin um you are the and
the in Argentina and but you're also
from there. So maybe you could give me a
little bit of the background of how your
family I guess got to Argentina where
they come from and uh we'll start a
little bit with your upbringing and
we'll we'll we'll go from there.
>> Okay. You know that the Yu led of is the
day he came to the Babage
that we have to start from there. But
since you are uh asking
from another point of view is uh my
parents alm
they both Holocaust survivors.
Uh my father from Hungary came after the
war
in Topshin Zin 47
and uh [clears throat] my mother came
from from Berlin
1940 to Uruguay.
um both bor hashem they went through I
they didn't go the atrocities they went
through but they went through the the
whole hardships
etc my mother when she came she was 15
years old in the ship were 200 Jews and
only two families kept kosher one of
them was their family and people were
telling them this is finished already
what you doing?
And they
were strong.
They couldn't get a job in Uruguay
without working shabas.
But my grandmother said theish there
saved our lives. Not we should leave as
non-Jews.
We definitely were going to get Parnosa.
A week later they got Parnosa. My father
was in [snorts] a labor camp not
concentration camp through the war and
uh he had a a sidedish upbringing my my
my from my mother's side was a yakish
upbringing but the faish upbringing from
the adasis ge
in Berlin the the rebed
there in Berlin in the sh that I I
imagined that my grandfather Davender
and my mother Davender because it was
just two blocks from where my mother
lived in Berlin and they were part of
the Adas.
And uh by the way also the Reb came to
America with the Revit Top Shiny
together with my great uncle in the same
ship
>> in the boat.
>> Yes. And they they had they talked a lot
with the rebbit. They told me that the
reb was in his in the room.
>> No, the
>> Oh. Oh, you mean you mean when when the
reb came? Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Rabb was talking with them
and the reb was closed in his room the
whole time. He didn't come out. He was
in the room the whole time
on the traveling there.
Uh my father hadish
upbringing
uh not kabat. They knew about kabat and
Hungarian one. They were not
specifically
from a definitely rabbi. They were from
old sadikim.
And uh but my grandfather
he on the first seder of Pesak after
getting married he made the seder in
half an hour and run away to be by his
rabbis seder mean that he had he had the
neur you know and uh
my father was in yeshiva also before the
war
And uh
and during the war
>> in Hungary
>> in Hungary. Yes. And during the war is
uh there was the the Jews were under
Hungarian
uh control doing the the military. My
father had to do military service and
under the Hungarians, but the Hungarian
were under the Germans and they had to
work and build and do things, trenches,
um
ways, highways for for for the German
army. And uh they were under the Germans
in the under German system. And uh my
father Bo Hashem never lost one day of
putting on film all over the world and
not later. Even half a year he was
running from one place to the other.
Never lost one day of putting on film.
And he even had a a pesak seder there
under the noses the nose of the
commander of the Hungarian com of of the
of the of the German commander. They
gave him ruse. He got [clears throat] a
package of two kilos mats from his
father and they gave him ruse to make a
seder. And this was this is a house
history [clears throat] that the reason
why he they the commander gave him rules
because this was like a military uh
system and they my my grandfather could
send letters to him and he could send
letters back and the censorship so that
my grandfather wrote to my father my
distinguished honorable very capable son
etc etc and my father answered him I'm
not honorable table. I'm not
distinguished. I don't I'm not I'm just
your son. And uh looks like this was no
the commander told clearly my father
this was no by him his paras that's why
he gave him shoes to make the the seder
there. My father also built a suka there
on the ground under the ground he built
a suk told me how he keeper there.
Uh but and after the war uh my father
came to Argentina
and uh he came with Pis even to
Argentina
and u
he was always boashm he was always and
he always hadish
general Hungarian
in in in a specific way of of being mad
in mitzvah.
This is this is about my let's say
basically my grandparents
um my my
myself I was raised by them or hashem
>> those are your parents
>> this was my parents yes yes parents and
my grandparents yes I can say more but I
don't think this is interesting here for
this note
>> okay
>> this is not the point of the note and Um
when I was small young I came I was uh
by the Yakish. My father was a president
of the Yakahil Belgrano Rabbi
Openenheimer all of Ashim for seven
years. He was the president but he never
was a Y. He never raced us as never
raced us in the minhogim of Yas. erased
us on the hogim
for the pes going to mikvah my fire used
to go to mikva every day had a sheer
gmor 6:30 in the morning and uh in my
house we heard always
not kabat really I have to say that I
never heard about kabat and about tanya
about the alterb
before I came to Rabbi Bumgarten. This
was when I was already 12, 13 years old.
Never heard. But yeah, in my house, yes,
we heard about mem
the rich also we didn't hear. No,
my father used to look into all these
books. Friday night by the table
mel all these books. This was the books
he
and
that means that I had the
of of
by the sadikim where
I never heard really about other kind of
daily is never heard. Yes, the I heard
Rabbi Kger. I heard when I studied in
yeshiva with Rabbi Bumgard and I heard
the show
but in my house let's say the the the
sadikim the sadikim always were from the
from the
from the let's say camp camp even though
my father told me that in his house in
Hungary they had a Tanya
they made a yontiff when it Because the
gul of the freed afteramus
was a big sim. They made a special suda
and they said tibb
was in jail and my grandfather studied
alter
but uh I heard all this only after I
came to kabat not before and my father
even didn't know what is I al when I
came to yeshiv I was right my father
asked me what's
understand the difference. But by the
time my father became a lob
full-fledged, let's say full-fledged
>> after saying after you did.
>> Yeah. Yeah. After we came to Yeshiva.
Yeah. Um and he he started giving
shiders
in yeshiva. He he taught Tanya to Baluas
17 year old 18 year old in Yeshiva. And
he was so happy about [snorts] it that
he had to go through heart surgery. And
he was so happy it made him so so
healthy giving the shear that the
surgery was postponed for a few years.
>> When he had through the surgery years
later he got an infection. He passed
away from the from the surgery. Beel
that means the the highest was got in
the Tanya the doses and another thing I
can tell you that my parents used to
invite all these people for the seder
people they don't make a seder they
should come family they should come to
see the seder to teach them the seder to
see the seder and I remember in one
conversation they were speaking about
from people not from people and my
father said on the conversation
The lubaber know how to speak to n from
people. This I heard a word
not specially said.
Okay. And um I uh at when I was 12 I
really went to yeshiva called
and we studied in yeshiva
one year with literature.
Next year came Rabbi Bombgarten of he
was our roshiv.
>> Can you uh tell me about Bumgarten?
>> Huh?
>> Can you tell me about
>> he came there? No, no. I I I knew him
from far because I didn't leave Rabbi
Bombgartan.
>> Can you tell me about him?
>> I sure sure.
Uh he when he became the Rashisha there
in the Shivasim
they g they put him a condition. He
cannot teach
and cannot make Lubabage propaganda.
This was the condition.
He didn't want to go into the job
but he asked the Reb and the Reb told
him you take the job and he without
making any propaganda and without
teaching he made
like the Reb told him once
you don't have to put my name people see
what they see me you have to put yeah
and this was the reality we saw I knew
other orthodox
from Rabonim. But I saw a difference.
There was a difference between them and
Rabbi Bongart. It was was some kind of a
difference. Uh even the way he davened
the even the way he ded. I remember that
I could see that when he ded without any
external
um
attitudes and conduct. I see I saw his
face. How was connected? I saw he was in
his I saw he was connected in his mind
in his I saw him connected. I saw him
connected. Besides this when he used to
den used to d used to d with with hearts
used to cry sometime I remember keeper
we went out from the mik went to d m
he went to the om he couldn't say the
words of khazhat
he was so moved keeper by the ding
crying he couldn't say the words and he
was a mameshit of ms Nephes
he built he lived on the fifth floor
really sixth floor in America the sixth
floor and he didn't have a porch and
didn't have a a patio a hoter for the
suk he built a suk on the air on the
sixth floor he had a balu called
engineer polyenko that he wasn't an
engineer already for years. [laughter]
And he took him and engineer make took
two
irons
poles going out and he make a small
floor
like the
he should have a suk next year. He
already had a bigger suka that he had
three people to be able to have orim. I
had this h to eat in his suka there on
the sixth floor. The really you were
trembling when you're going out. But he
make sure that he was everything uh
everything okay. And uh we saw he was
pes
the way
he didn't drink the water from the from
from from the from the kitchen. He
brought water water from outside the
city from a from a boar from a well from
a boar from a Mayan for Pes to drink.
This is what we saw him he was a special
bet
but we saw in him he was so devoted to
his students totally devoted to the
students and to the family to the
students even we saw how he was devoted
to the porter the the the doorman the
doorman of the yeshiva because we we
moved to another building and they moved
out the to another building wasn't the
kabat yeshiva
was rabbart. He was the rash. It was his
in the building of called Kazan is and
we had a picture of Zalman Melzer
Meltzer there on the wall. This is the
yeshiva where Rabbi Bombgard taught. And
um but the Dorman used to shave with a
with a sakin
with a knife
>> with a huh with a razor
>> with a razor. Raarten
dig to give him a maton a shaving ker a
shaving machine. He shouldn't be raised
with with this. But he he diged for
every student. He used to bring bananas
for us. He should have what to eat. He
used to to buy the bowl the bowl the
plastic bowl for for for the recesses.
Used to buy it for us. He was totally
devoted and came.
We we were 14 years old and we were not
living in the same shun but we wanted to
be by Rabbi Bobgarten to be learning
with him the whole night etc etc. He we
put uh mattresses in his house on the
floor all the floors of all the rooms
full with mattresses with bim sleeping
in his house to be with him. He was he
was sick with he in his feet and he
couldn't walk. But he what did he do? He
brought the whole ka the whole ka to his
house. He was lying on the bed
with a big gammor on the bed. All the
boim around the bed and he gave the shir
there from the bed.
This was and then also he used to travel
to the rebues
for us and uh he used to have uh the
Reb's picture in his house and uh I saw
the first time I saw a big library of
cidas I never saw so much so many ciders
I saw it saw it in saw it in his house
and uh he was really he he he he not
just had an influence on us he had an
influence on the shayim of the city he
brought in the concept of Israel in the
in the sheabah in the fume in Buyus then
he had a big ash po he was part of the
kash
vat the vat cashashes of the city but
but wasn't from official city
for three raon there three different
three different raonim that he was the
kabatnik and he was very well respected
because he was aa safer he was a talm
and he was a real
and people
had I'm I'm talking the
had a lot of confidence on on his and on
his
this is
>> he he didn't He didn't speak to you
about the aboutis.
He didn't speak to you.
>> No. No. Almost. No. No. I never I never
learned Tanya. Not one word Tanya before
I came to to New York to to the Shiva.
Never. Uh first time I learned to see
first time I learned to see was with Mr.
Sausik.
Santos all over them. It wasabiid
a full-fledged Labavich because Rabbi
Bongartan had a m when a boa travel to
yeshiva to New York the whole yeshiva
used to go to the airport. It was like
an hour travel to the airport with a
with a with with a with a city bus. He
went with the city boss a whole hour but
the whole yeshiva went he we he built
the whole concept of going to yeshiva to
learn with a shiv and the rabbi Mr.
Santos went with us also in the boss and
he took a recruit with him and he sat
with me learned with me. I remember
the
inish the different of Mishk withto this
is the first I ever learned. But no, he
the fesh when it was the six day war, he
told us what the Reb spoke
about having confidence
and he told us what the Reb said that
from the RO I think he brought that
in in the in the merit of putting out of
a Jew it will
in will this will protect the Jewish
soldiers on on the battlefield. He told
us this and this had an impacted impact
on me that I went on MIT film even
though I was 12 years old. I even was
mitz and I went with another person he's
a rabbi in Colombia
was just a earthquake in in in Colombia.
He's a rabbi in Colombia, Rabbi Gmid
Schlit. He was then a mania of of of of
the beter of the of the elementary
school of Rabbi Openenheimimer. And we
went together on Sunday to do and I went
in the sho of Rabbi Openenheimimer and I
put a big sign of what the Reb said that
is of putting on film and with the with
with hidden you're protecting the
soldiers. this this way let's say he had
he transmitted he transmitted reb but on
on on a the practical way on on on on on
a manual way on on on from this point
but not on
not on from from from from this part the
we saw in himself in his life we didn't
learn from the book we learned from the
person.
>> Mhm. Wow.
So, so he sent you to New York to learn
Yeshiva. That that was to say there
>> is. No, this wasn't exactly like this.
Most of the students in our kita the
parents were from
basically let's say but shabas yes but
they they they didn't have a they were
not they came to Argentina their parents
and grandparents before the war and it
was very weak they didn't have this
concepts of yeshiva they they were not
let's say put it in this way they they
they were But ye they safer. They didn't
know which is Shiva. This is Shiva for
them. My father had a day. My father
went to sh I mean my father had he knew
what he and Rabbi Bumgarten was very
he didn't want to force. He was Mo not
forcing. And he he gave my father the
the the the
choice he should choose a yeshiva for
me. He didn't force a but I didn't tell
you the main part of the story. I'm
telling you all all the narish kite and
not the main point. The main point is
when I was 14 years old I was 14 years
old. Uh I wanted to learn in Yeshiva the
whole day and not only mud. I was
learning high school
and half a day in the yeshiva. Half of
the yeshiva barabart
uh an hour was playing ball. Half an
hour was doing travel in the k and
making from fun from his English. And uh
>> from his English.
>> Yeah. because he was speaking Spanish
mixing with English and we used to make
fun of him.
>> He was an American. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we used to
make fun. We would play with him, laugh
with him. We should climb on top of him
like children climb on top of the
father. I used to climb on top of him.
And uh but I wanted to learn serious
yeshiva. I was already 14 years old, 14
and a half. if I wanted to to to learn a
normal yeshiva for 24 hours a day. And I
wrote a letter to the Reb. I was 14
years old. Wrote wrote a Rebe and I sent
it by by mail.
I went to the post office. I didn't tell
nobody. Not not Rabbi Bombgart, not my
parents. My mother that came from uh
from Berlin. She wanted me university.
Okay. She already knew I wouldn't go to
university but at least finished the
high school and I was then in the sec
finishing the second year of high school
that means I had three years more of
high school. I cannot go till years more
of high school and but I in those days
your parents ruled on you it's not like
today and my mother was a yak
aort is aort
is ordict
I wrote to the le I
in 30 days I got the answer of the
rebatim
the reb gave me a and the for
the letter. The letter but the nest is
given.
>> What was that? You have to translate it.
>> Huh? Say it in English. The letter
>> the letter was
to to a boy, 14 year old boy from
Argentina. Never wrote before to the
Rebe didn't have any introduction to the
Reb. Nobody told the Reb who I am, what
I am, what just I wrote to the Reb, I
want to go to learn in yeshiva that's
all. And the Reb answered,
uh, add in diligence and dedication
in learning terra
and being very
mahada, very spe special
doing mitzvah with in a beautiful and
complete and special way.
Then this is the way to receive the
blessings of Hashem in what is needed.
[snorts] You surely heard about the shir
of saying to him after ding how it is
divided on the monthly way monthly.
Yeah. on on the months and you should
keep this shir from now on and the
Aishar will fulfill the wishes of your
heart and the Reb signed with his
signature in person. I got this answer
to one month. One month I got the answer
and this year
I went to yeshiva. But there is was
another nest. My father wanted to send
me to a overlander.
He told me
>> in New York.
>> In New York. Yes.
My my father said, "You have time
after you get married.
You know a lot of you will know a
lot of nigl. Then you you you you go on
into now is the time to learn
seriously that's why he wanted to
sent me to overlander yes and I had a
uncle in New York
and uh he was a Hungarian
and uh they went with Rabbi Bombgarten
Rabbi Bumgarten went to look yes Shiva
for me here in New York together with my
uncle and they went to four different
yeshivas
mats yeshiva vin yeshiva I don't know
but but anyways it was 1969
bring a 14year-old boy a 15y old boy
from Argentina who is going to take care
of him who is going to who knows who is
this guy what is he going to do
and besides this yeshiva cost money
all kinds of obstacles. No yeshiva was
ready to take me. My uncle even though
he was a Hungarian
yeah he was in the line of satar he
wasn't a satos in those in this line but
he said I don't understand why what
here's the problem he has two friends
they are learning in kabat was
and
those two they were learning in kabat he
has already two friends in kabat why
doesn't he go to kabat
My [laughter] uncle said, Rabbi
Bumgarten said, "I don't have any
problem. I don't have any problem." But
the father asked for another yeshiva.
And then Rabbi Bombgarten wrote to my
father.
And I remember he wrote to my father,
God is witness that I wasn't the one to
press kabat. It was your brother who
brings your son to kabat
because it was a second ness a second
ness how I came to to I say it in few
words I came to kabat because there were
no obstacles to come I said what's wrong
it would be asking for money and this
and this I don't know what would have
that been I mean surely I would have
been in kabad because this was their
goal
And I see clearly how the Reb picked me
up to come like he picks up everybody to
come.
The answer right away and the nest that
it came. It was really Milo was really
Milo that I came it wasn't my choice.
Not at all. I didn't know where I was
coming in. Yes, I knew
but I didn't know something special in
Kabad different from others. Not at all.
Not at all. and uh
and and that's why I say it would be
obstacles. I say to a lot of manahaleim
>> when they make a lot of obstacles to to
students
>> lot a lot of tuition
>> a lot of tuition if they would charge
tuition like charge today ramonlan
I don't know where I would have been
>> and I'm sure you know that you're not
the only one there's a there's a whole
finer group of people that ended up in
labav
because they were not charged tuition
and their parents like liked that option
Right.
>> I I I say I even speak to non nonflume
people and I tell they ask me for my
story. They come to Argentina. They see
and what an Argentinian boy because I
didn't come from America. I'm
Argentinian. How did you come? And I
tell them no, I came to Labavish because
it was free of [laughter]
free tuition.
That's why I came to
Okay. Hey, I think this is then I came
to to to Yeshiva
>> to where
>> I came to Ocean Parkway
like uh you're like bmedish whatever
high school.
>> Yes. Yes.
Yes, there were Rabbi Rabbi Rabbi Ushpal
was the magur in Nigel
was my first mag [laughter]
was my mashpia when I arrived here at 15
years old and he was my machia by 16 and
then I was by me
in Morristown for two years and then
came back to also was again a shalak in
in in in in Ocean Park
was my
>> I have two I have two questions which
are probably connected I want to hear
about the first time you saw the reba
and my second question which is probably
connected to this you don't really know
anything about labavich about the
culture about anything you don't say you
have two friends but like how how do you
how was this the landing in in Labavage
like this from from Argentina maybe you
could tell me about this I tell you I
came to Lubavich I thought
that Lubavich is like any think that is
something different you see to learn to
learn
and u
even I came to yeshiva Monday Sunday
morning I came into into parkway in
Shiva
till Friday I didn't see the reb
it's not that they took me to come to to
to to
nobody even didn't speak to me to come I
would have come I have nothing against
them I mean but nobody told me even to
come to tell you more I came the first
shabas that I came to to to 770
almost I went to Williamsburg. Why?
Because I had an aunt living in
Williamsburg. She wanted to invite the
the the the
nephew to come for Shabas and I was
going but for me it was natural. You got
the family. What's what's the problem
with it? Then they put pressure on me.
No, no, no, no. You come to 770, you
have to see. Okay. Okay. Okay. They they
had to put pressure on me but because of
family things but nobody explain me
not one word it's only by me was because
the rebadic and that's it not not not
something special not not even like like
the man no he's the big yes him of our
generation and for me sure who's to
Definitely. Definitely. But nobody I
tell you more. I got into 770. Nobody
told me now the Reb is coming in or the
Reb is going to come in. No. I was
standing there by the corridor and
suddenly it opens. It opens and I see
the Rebe.
This was the moment I remember clearly
the moment I saw the first time. This
was this was the moment
and fabangan next day even though was
wasn't normal to be fabang but since it
was before shab before
the reb started fabang and fab every
week from shabz
was the first shabas I was by the reb
is from shabang by on and and and by
Fabang and Shabzet
the whole atmosphere the whole the whole
thing took me to another world also was
without no preparation. I just knew the
Reb is going to speak. I knew clearly
the rebadic god will be so sure but it
was such a
experience not from this world being
there by faber this was and then I made
up I'm standing there listening to the
reb
the rebs
>> you know yedish then
>> I knew yish but I didn't know yedish I
didn't know yedish
And half of the words in Edish are also
words in a literature
as I wasn't used to this this ma at all
at all. But I made myself I have to take
something from what the Reb says. And I
made a point for every to take something
at least one should one clear thing, one
thing put to keep my and and really when
later on when I look at the after I
understood and I learned the sus I saw
that I remembered
what the Reb spoke then to that really
they stood in my head from when I later
learned the sus.
And the the second very important thing
was when I started learning siras
with younger man, he was a shaly there.
Faminkovich,
he started learning with meas by night
after seder. Really it it caught me.
I liked it.
And then
not the first week, this was already the
first week. But later on I start
learning.
I got very impressed from never never
heard such
such concepts at all. And then later on
when I learned in Tanya
about Shashen's
And that but everyone and that I myself
have
it went out of my mind. I I I I
it it it shocked me totally shock it
moved me shocked me and changed this
concept changed my whole understanding
of what is a Jew and what is the the the
life of the Jew was like a revolutionary
concept that moved me every ber and
every kid in Labavage knows it but they
don't take it serious
They don't appreciate it. Don't
appreciate what means to have a calm
imal mish in yourself. What don't
appreciate it since I didn't know from
it before and I was fulfilling mitzvah
beh
like it
mameshi was an impact incredible impact.
This was the first thing. The second
thing when I learned [snorts]
creates
every second
creates again from nothing the whole
existence.
This totally shocked me. I remember the
BA medish in
Ocean Parkway was in the main floor
and the dormator was upstairs in the
third floor.
I remember walking the the stairs to the
dormator because this I learned by night
Tanya by night after seder. I remember
walking upstairs the stores. It was like
they could have drunk bottle mash whole
bottle. I like was I was like
shocked totally shocked
totally shocked
but I want to tell you together with
this paras
spoke about Mashiach.
I knew already about Mashiach because
Rabbi Bumgarten told us that the set to
finish now
I knew about the whole
about
Msiah's coming.
I knew that about the 20 years Shimshen
all these I knew a little because I
heard from Rabbi Bombgarten and also
because the the Binyomin Fand wrote me
letters and on the letters that he wrote
me wrote me about the whole ru that's
going on in 770 around you and this and
this and really what he wrote to me had
an impact in me that I said, "I want to
come before you because I want to be
there."
>> So, you did you did know something
before you came.
>> I did the basic thing. I think I knew.
[laughter]
Yeah. Uh
>> she saying
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I want to tell
the Reb spoke about Mashia but he spoke
about being maken
o with a letter to give the opportunity
every Jew to be part of the safer of
Messiah
and even though I just came to America
and I didn't know so well English I
studied a little English because I went
to high school in Argentina But uh
I spoke Spanish, not English. And we
went with the other Argentinian boys. We
went on the street. I remember Kip on
the streets stopping people, asking them
about writing. It was just the first
week. The first week after the first
Fabangan,
the second week of my being here was no
sh no doubt that I have to do this.
Nobody had to talk me in. You have to do
this
was no no doubt. You have to go make
people to be part of safer and I felt we
are talking here about big big things.
We're not talking business as usual
here. We are talking about big big big
things.
So you're basically describing the the
process of how I mean how you becoming
like this is this is all happening
you're picking up the you say this is
just just just from being being there
and I guess the the gave you that you're
able to be in tune to it.
It was I want to tell you it it took for
half a year I used to d with a gartle
I came to labage I d with my gartle
under the the under the under the coat
under the and uh also I didn't change my
minhogim but I came into I didn't care
what other people do I did what I have
what I believed in I did it and I I kept
my Minhogim I dumped nakart I put
feeling not on the lobavich way and I
didn't care that other people did
different
I keep my minhog and I kept everything
and this was for half a year
a little more than half a year when I
came into the first time
this was soft
before my [snorts]
Then I decided to change
to become let's say a full-fledged
Dubai. Yeah.
And uh
I asked the Reb if to change all the
minhogen everything. And the Reb
answered if this is a decision for
always I should do it.
That means the the the the passage
was like a half a year but the
of the
of the specialty
theat
I started learning
is like it opened me the eyes about the
whole Yiddish guide. It's like a new
Yedish kite. It's the sameish guide, but
it's it it started shining. Same Edish
guide shining shining.
And this is something that you saw in
the Reb also
the Reb's just way of talking. The Ho,
the
You felt it.
You felt it. You felt it.
You felt there is an an expression
of Rabiel
in the first letters that he wrote to
his father when he came to
and he said in the first letters
that you see
you see he he writes to the to his
father you see that he is a isi
He writes about the Reb to his father in
the beginning. You see he's a rich
you saw
and you felt the is different that than
everything.
Okay. Um so we're getting close this
time of year. We're getting close toash.
Is there anything you want to share from
the first uh for the first maybe first?
I don't know. Maybe you can share a
little bit about that.
I I knew is and I understood K by the is
something but I never experienced it.
had to imagine but I didn't have any
clue how it is and I have to tell you I
was uh I was very shy I wasn't the best
person asking around and investigating
no I I was very shy and uh I was 15
years old 16 years then I was already 16
years old yes
and nothing coming from Argentina here
big really important. But I I knew that
I have to get a good place.
I have to catch a good place. And I came
very early in the morning, Rashon in the
morning. And I stood next to the beame,
not the first row. I understood that
people there second, third row. I came
to K.
I was at the orang kaidesh
and I wasn't inside the orangesh because
there was a door if not I would be
inside the aren kaidesh
that means was pushed to dance and I
felt so bad says I'm going to be here by
the reb not going to be able to hear
anything see yes but not anything not
good because I was used the reb for the
om the reb
uh Um
>> low
>> very
>> low
>> low very low. Yes. the same shab
you had to push the first rows to be
able to hear something and
I said oh what's going to be here
I'm going to be here and not then
started k started the
It was like
look like the reb going out to war. Was
going out to war.
And then all the
okay
the tears
same thing happened [laughter]
to
keeper I I came for the minim him
when I came he was already after the bro
[laughter] and I was because nobody told
me nothing nobody explained me nothing
[laughter] I came he says how come
there's nobody here said no it was
already
but anyway
>> huh
>> it's a a greener you have to figure
everything out
>> but anyway ways.
>> Oh, so I want so I want to get into that
in a minute. Um, so you already said
that you learned in Parkway and then
Marstown,
then it's 770. So I want to talk about
the fab in a minute, but um, you shared
something earlier about your firstis.
Are there other things from the
subsequent
or answers from the rabbi you got when
you were bak that you you would uh that
you can share
first from the first I want to tell you
I was very
how do you say um
went in 3:00 4:00 in the morning I don't
remember
I felt like you know going into the Reb
but the Reb started
speaking
with such a love
you felt
the reb embracing you.
This is the first time gosh
then it wasn't the first I think it was
maybe the second year or the third year
the reb
used to read
the pedion the letter
used to read
uh
the
one time
mark things on the side and then used to
come back from the end. From the end
going back and he was answering you. But
while he was answering you and reading,
his head was down and the the the the
head used to cover at least by me. You
couldn't see clearly the the the the
Reb's face because the head was covering
most of the face and the reb was down.
The head was down.
The re the end
of of answering everything
picked up his his head his head the cop.
Yeah.
And he looked
the reb's face shining.
Wasn't
the Mar of Faben wasn't Mar even not the
Mar of a M was another Mar
looking at you with such with such
connection and with such love shining
shining shining shining shining.
This is in general.
Then the first point out
doesn't Yeah.
And uh
later years in one year
he said
that's what he said.
is about
dear of element.
That's what he said. That's what you
write. This you cannot do. the other
thing you don't know how to do. But
since it's written, you will toil
and you will succeed.
And this is being said to me,
to you and to everybody.
And there is the toiling.
Definitely there is a succeeding.
That's this is one thing. And uh
then
I can tell you
the last
one
the the first after I already was in
um
the
I wanted to ask for a blessing
special blessing for something
connected to that of my
and
I didn't write it because I was ashamed
was ashamed to ask such thing
the Reb gave me the bra
in the words that I taught it
mamesh I will not tell you what I wanted
to ask but he gave me mamesh in the
words I thought I wanted to ask.
This is one thing.
Another thing
um
okay it was a
the last
also in the room.
This was maliff
base
those. Yeah.
I wrote a letter.
>> This is already.
>> Yes. Yes. I wrote a letter and uh I gave
it in two three days before
in order the reb should be able to to
read it before I have to read it while
I'm standing there.
When I come in, the Reb tells me that he
he couldn't read
the long letter I wrote him.
If there was any questions there,
I didn't answer anything because I not
going to to
be talking to the Reb.
And the said then no apes in it talking
sh
is good if there is no question is good
it's better it's better
if
there are
questions or doubts
bottle
should they had
discharged, nullified, discharged.
If it still remains some kind of a
question,
we will answer you in the time. This
wasn't the last
Yeah.
>> So what so what does that story mean?
>> You can everybody can translate what he
wants. [laughter]
I think it's clear
the reb is don't waste your time.
Be do be positive work. Do do don't
waste your time with all kinds of
questions and analysis I had analysis a
hint [snorts] I as I had an answer
when I when I
when I got this whole story you know
when I got uh
married
>> I want I want to get all that
>> no tell you what
when I got married
uh was. It was was after
was the reb was sitting by the door of
Ganed
with a small table and he was receiving
the panim giving out sodoka.
I gave him my pan, my saddle,
and an hour and a half after
the Reb answered
uh the
the
what I wrote
and and and the the Reb said,
"You are exaggerating
In all your negative assessments,
you are exaggerating.
You are exaggerating with an
exaggeration.
Yeah. And he wrote, "You should make use
of your
capacity
of analyzing
things
in learning
and
the rea is with you."
That means this was the Reb's
guidance. You have power. Don't use your
analysis to see what's wrong. Use your
analysis to see how you can build
better.
And an interesting thing the Reb said
first. I was going out to
was the moment I was going out to even
like this. She said first
and then
okay
were there also um answers like minus
that you received when you were from the
>> No I was working in the
No personally personal stuff
>> no because uh Uh no the no the I I tell
you something I I I was after uh
was in the middle of
I got offer for a shidak
and even though not I was running for a
shidak but I also didn't want to be I
as an Argentinian boy an Argentinian boy
and uh don't have family here taking
care of me etc etc who knows me I get an
offer I shouldn't be stupid just to
discharge it and I wrote to the reb
was 5:00 or 4:00 in the morning got the
dancer of the reb because those days the
reb was
aes in his room and we were working in
sas in my
in by by the floor of the here next next
door to 770. We got I got a telephone at
4:00 or 5:00 in the morning for Rabbi
Klein all of us. We have an answer for
you. And the answer was
don't think about the till you don't
finish.
I finish
let's say
I got
and and for
okay wasn't there an answer from the
with the parts of
h with with words from
someone told me it's a
an
said
you didn't like Dr. said you didn't make
yourself
as me. Then you have to he said you have
to be happy to be
to be
in order to
think like this. Yes. Yeah. I don't
understand exactly what you're saying,
but maybe
>> No. What do you mean? You don't
understand.
>> It sounds like there's more. But don't
like he said when different things you
know
you said when you have some thought that
uh brings in you some kind of
weakness
think that you are the of
this told me when I was a ber what did
Huh?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
They have told me since like you ride
here in that settle that you teach
because I used to go Thursday night to
teach
the from
Yeah. And they say since you write here
that you teach
you are
you should think about this and when you
have any weakness you feel weak in your
in yourself.
Mhm.
>> Re said
like the Re said feel
but don't be my
in the in in negative things.
shouldn't be spent on
>> well
whatever.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
The
fixed and limited times
to add
the sins is the whole day. Because even
Everything what you do has to be
that means you could be the whole day.
Okay. Okay.
Anything else before before I before I
move on?
>> Uh
I Okay.
Uh you you're going about okay go into
then I tell you
>> no okay fine so so let's stop let's go
backwards so you mentioned to me that
the fabans was
your life and integral component of
being there
so maybe tell me a little bit about that
and then when I ask you about then I'll
ask you about the
so maybe tell me
Every fablangan
was Lebanese.
I don't know how to t to
>> That's good. You can you can you can
keep it though.
>> Yeah. Yeah. was a every fab was a eber
Lebanese
the whole every
way and and the beauty and we didn't we
we didn't just take we I talked those
that we heard the raz
we used to talk over the fab later
like uh
we we were standing also on the details
on the details that the Reb said this
this
sometimes people take just the global ID
but in the rebels when you listen good
the rebangant
first of all you have to take the global
ID no question you have to take the
global ID but later on every
concept every word is is a all Indian.
But Gale, we felt how the Reb is putting
in so much new thing,
shiny things.
And then also how the like used to say
it's like we felt every wasn't just
saying
the reb was going through the whole
was and shaping the whole sedish and
giving you a cooking all sedish. This
was like like you came into fab is like
you came to we going now to hear a new
world. We were like coming
routine. Okay. No, no, no. We coming
here to a historical
one-time event, an an unique event. And
that's what that's the way we we heard.
We were uh anxiously waiting to the
Fabangan. And when the reb was speaking
this is what we used to take and
appreciate everything the reb said. But
I have to clarify that those days this
lamemed
wasn't like
it was after
not like today those days to hear a tape
of the
I went to remember I went to
I got somebody that had the tape and I
had to go to his house and sit there the
whole day to hear the the fabangan
because you wouldn't let me take the
tape with me out of the house. Okay,
this wasn't a problem. I just want to
tell you today you have everything. The
the Fabangans used to come out weeks,
months or years after the Reb said it.
It's not today like or after lamemed it
started coming right after Shabas. I
remember a mimer a mimemer uh
four weeks later between you and me who
will learn the mimer four years four
weeks later and and how it was and also
you didn't have this forum of cidus that
the mayor
were built on that you could be iron
a treasure then you would have it's not
today. Today you have everything
everything put organized. You can hear
it. You can read it. You can read it in
English. You can read it in Hebrew.
Could read it in Yiddish.
appreciate. Sure. It's not you. It's not
like styling a faba today. Stalling a
faba today. Sure, you can appreciate it.
If you don't do it, you're just I don't
know what words to use. Then you need a
big gear. You need a gear. You you need
to come to to to
come to and to make sure that you
understand.
And that's that is what make me I have
to engrave in myself what the Reb is
speaking. I'm here. I have to know what
the Reb is speaking. This is what I
forced myself to remember what the Reb
says and and to concentrate and to have
and to pick up what the Reb says.
You cannot have the the feeling how it
was then.
was is given in them. Their imm was he
given in them
and I want to tell you I regret it but
you know cannot do anything today about
it. I regret all the things that we
didn't ask the Reb.
The Reb was for us. The Reb gave himself
to us. We didn't
make use of all the reb was giving us.
Why? Because
we we we
were afraid because you're you're
referring to when you were writing and
then you were able to ask.
>> Yeah. Yes. You thought the what you
writing was but really was a mistake.
Was a big mistake. was a big mistake.
>> Okay, one second. So, how did you get
involved in I mean it sounds like
because you were being ma and you were a
good candidate but but what
>> a good candidate. I just was I went I
went to to Khazor and after Khaz I start
writing a little for myself and I also
by Khazor I put the word her I put the
word in and then I was helping the other
people that were writing the it was a
natural
it was natural used to go to in the
house to hear the after the faben
until it came. I mean um the other ones
that were that were used to be writing
and they hold up just a little time
after the
and then they they asked me do you want
to go continue writing okay it was a
natural thing was not
>> so you wrote sikis and
>> no I didn't write
>> okay so let me ask you about that
because as someone who uh watches and
listens to
my are still you know
you know you have to really really focus
be able to to be able to to understand
to to transcribe it and to make from it
now I don't know if even all of the
people that wrote the were capable I
don't know so what is the process of of
of
understanding of transcribing
a mime from the maybe you can talk about
that a little bit.
>> No, you you had the mimemer.
You you you you made a basic seder of
the mimemer right after the rebimemer.
You on your head you made some kind of a
of a seder what it was and what? Yeah.
And the also we had the
and the of
that he had
the clarity in the mimer
[clears throat] gave us the the cuff in
the mimemer is really the of
yes we added a dort over the main let's
say
the kutachedro
the spine spinal
I don't know how to say it
>> spine
>> spinal cord
>> yes this was
even that he wasn't uh hazing but he was
listening to somebody else saying it but
he was organizing it putting
even he didn't write a memory but he was
the spinal I'm talking on the the on the
shabas fabangan so y fabbrangan without
a
>> tape.
>> without a tape or you had also the
writing of the rashimes on the second
day of yont used to write bishas m
whatever was speaking they were writing
>> right.
>> Yes. And then you had of the the the
tapes but I have to tell you whoever
listens to a tape not because he listens
to a tapes means that he can understand
the mimer. We had to
very much to understand
what the Reb wanted to say, how the Reb
built it, what was the connection to one
part to the other part. It was a hard
not because you had a tape you knew even
you had the typed word by word doesn't
mean that you understood what the Reb
was saying. You had
>> and this is specifically my as opposed
to Yes. Yes. No, they were my morning.
They were clearly. No, because sometimes
in my mim the reb used to say a few
words very and it meant the whole inian
that you had to understand the whole in
to see the connection to what is being
said before was is the buildup.
this mile flow from
that he understood the my
>> right.
Okay. So was there something spe spe spe
spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe
spe spe spe spe spe spe spe specific
happening in your times like aesh in the
way the were being produced like was it
something new or you just continuing
with what happened before
the way they were produced? No.
And then there once said to write
not in order you don't have to write one
under the other one but uh
>> what is it that what's you don't have to
write the manus because started giving
out with March the s and the mayor it
was late year yeah and Even the buil the
beauty mug I'm talking
>> right
>> before the beauty muga didn't have mal
mccas under and the reb said you can
write one after the other you don't have
to write one under the other
>> the one and next to it the two and next
to it the three puted one in one should
two in the second line and three in the
third line [snorts] but uh
I won't tell you what happened with in
Lamemed Zion in Bosan Lame Zion
were different things that happened.
One thing that happened was that Rabbi
Goner came out from the Reb's room and
he brought the books
that the Reb gave him from each one of
Rabenu
uh with a paper inside
that they should have all the mentions
in the places of Rabiu
what he what he mentioned. But he he
came out from the Reb's from the Reb's
room with the books in the hand
and he gave it to me the books to
before used to the Reb used to write it
butto this book in this in this place
looks like in this time the Reb even
didn't have the time to write it and he
sent out the books that he used with
this paper inside and sent out all the
books. This is and then we wrote in was
two memory was by day and
uh we sent in the an from by day with a
sh with a question
or even we didn't send the an
we just sent in a question and the first
wrote was from myim
A mimer the central mimer should be the
mimer of mo shabas shmar
the pumer
more more in public. Yeah. And this M
should be the basis and the vinuim
the addings and uh
changes of the from the mimer by day we
should put either in brackets in the
mimer or under under the line or the
Yeah. And we choose to put it under the
line. That's the way we organized the
mimer. But we didn't understand that the
reb wanted to be ma the mimer. No, we
didn't understand because those years
the re wasn't maimmed.
Lamemed was mia lame. After a long time,
after a long time from lame base lame
the Reb was Mia there
and then Mishbot and later on we found
in the Reb's room also
was also Muga but he didn't give it out.
Um
and then lame was a mimer also that he
was mugish miser but unexpected
and lame z
nobody in those days nobody dreamt the
re mia nobody dreamt and uh only special
occasions mameish
and uh
we we prepared the m there the re was mi
yeah but the question was we had a
question
that the reb brought from every one of
the rabbi and he want brought from the
reb Marash
the co marash
that there mad in
yusho
mad
he explained it in the mimer what it is
and we ask the explanation The Reb gave
on the MM was different.
What what what means Yusha different
that what the Re Marash says
the Reb is entitled to say what he wants
but he he said it in the name of Re
Marash.
That's why we asked.
>> Mhm.
>> And I will tell you we were stupid. But
the Reb answered
we should write the way the Reb Marash
says
the people that heard the
says
the same way they don't understand the
explanation how this comes together with
the Reb Marash according to your
question.
Yeah, that's asking such
that this is not what
will they will not miss anything if
if they don't know about the whole
thing.
Why were we stupid? Because we had to
understand
if we could put
the
the mar says like this
is obliged the added something but but
since we were
he mentioned marash and he said that's
why I said we we did some stupidities.
We did some stupidities. There was
another mimer
of
Nissan and the mimemer speaks different
madgas
about the mile of etc. And we asked that
we we see there is no compatibility
in the mimemer.
And the Raman said this is the whole
concept of the mime to
>> there's no comp compatibility with the
mus no in the same mime first he says
that
is this then he said another way of
say this doesn't come together
said
for the m is to Oh
to show always what is the union of
I mean
[clears throat] you're talking here
things not compatible this is the whole
mimer to
>> yeah the idea He was to show
goes all over the Madas.
I mean
then there was the m of
there was
Yeah.
Also
>> Yeah. The mimer came out
>> right before the
heart attack.
>> Yes. In the morning,
the reb went, we saw the reb went into
the suka with the mimemer
and came out with the suk from the suka
and gave out the mimer and the mimemer
was even
sugapped.
I don't say sugar clipped
a piece attached a piece of cake
that mean the re was eating mus found
while it was mad and the piece of mus
was attached come over I took the piece
I need it [laughter]
but uh and gave out the mimer when we
received the mimemer her.
We we were not sure the re was Makia,
not Makia. I mean, Re was Makia, but it
wasn't
like a normal prepared mimer.
We we we we had doubts, but we didn't
want to ask.
>> It was It wasn't heavily mug like usual.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it wasn't
heavenly, but it was it was it had it
had because I in
was a
well the reb was mia a whole part with a
strong hag
strong but he put on top of it built mug
that's why the ml came out the
Hano
we made a a difference from other
memorial
point
>> point
but the rev that's why we were afraid
but here the rev didn't say built
>> we had let's what we do we wrote we send
it in like for Hagagoy like like a mug
but just added the word han. The Reb
didn't add the word Han.
The Reb add the word Han.
We could have not put the word Han also,
but we were afraid. We added the word.
And then there the
he writes
that is being recognized on his attitude
and behavior, how he eats, how he
drinks, how he does business, etc., etc.
on the word.
The Reb added
and adding
the heart of the wise is on the right
side with the march.
>> This was in the first
was in the second Tag I think. So this
is
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
After what happened
we understood by the reb
>> after the heart
>> to put something about the heart. He
would put in the mimemer something about
the his heart to to to be mazak the
heart to to I don't know but I it was
clearly because it wasn't something that
gives you a special explanation in the
mimemer add something in the
understanding of the mimer.
So leave
>> there's another
speaks
about the
and he asks
he says he brings from the
from the
a whole
eBay
And the Reb asked a question. How could
be cry
is there that
he
that means his he's satisfaction is
and how could you say somebody that
his satisfaction his
is he should be a
And the whole put a lot of work into it
in the
second again.
The whole piece of
very very strong put in there
few.
>> Okay. Then another interesting thing I
can tell you was Lamemed Zion Bosilani.
Besides Lamian Bosilani,
what was Lame Z so special? Lame Z was
the reb was 75 years old
and were threeim
afteri
later on was Hinani Mir Shabas Shalak
there then was a third mimemer
a third mime I think it was alishad the
third mimer I don't remember or Israel
maybe Israel in the tree
the reb added added
apos of his peric
he was 75 years old
it wasn't usual the reb adding things to
my buoyim
>> the reb added and in one of the added
like six seven shas with the beer on the
pos
on the puk
of his perk. This was very interesting
that onim
he added kesh on this when he was 75
years old.
I don't know if people
not notice these things.
Okay.
>> I don't think people even knew what what
added sh right.
Only you people knew.
>> Yeah. But I think we
we pointed out I think
>> Mhm.
>> we make a point of it. But okay, he had
it once.
But you see my
ink
when he's 75 years old. Make a point of
it is not
>> it's not what
>> it's not
the answer.
Sometimes we we are we have a
we take things you know cold
>> everything is
>> okay are there any other meodm that you
want to highlight right now
>> at this moment I don't remember can
highlight something different. It was on
has to do with a mimer but wasn't in the
time that I was writing my mor was
already when I was in
I was here at Teskisliff
I was a fabbran
and the next day I traveled back to
Argentina I was I came to I don't know
why I came in this something to do with
my work of raising fund raising I don't
know and I wrote into the reb
And uh
the time going back and the rebro back
surely you took it yourself. You took
with you the rashima of yesterday's
mimer. That means it is wasn't
Fes
and I came here for for fundraising.
You surely took with yourself the
mimer.
>> Yeah.
[laughter]
>> Okay. [snorts] I hope hopefully uh
everything you just said will add to
that. So you you were doing
basically.
>> Yeah.
>> So maybe you could tell me a little bit
about your and your and I think they're
connected, right? You already alluded to
it. Maybe you can tell me what happened
over there.
>> [snorts]
>> Rabbi Bombgart of Asholam
used to travel in the Argentinian summer
to Israel to visit his parents
to London to visit his daughter
and then just to come to New York to
visit another daughter and mainly to be
by the Rebe
arrived on Friday morning in London
and he had a
um ACV and a cerebral
incident. How do you say uh
>> like a heart?
>> Sheets moi.
>> Oh, a stroke.
>> A stroke. He had a stroke.
And uh he passed away from this stroke.
And um
before even he came the came to New
York, he was brought to New York. He's
buried behind the rebel. Yeah.
And um
Rabbi Klene called another Ber and me
to Rabbi Hodakov
and Rabbi Hodakov told us to take care
of the
things that Rabbi Bombgartner was taking
care especially about mats to make sure
that in Argentina it's going to be hunt
matz for pesak because Rabbi Bombgarten
was bringing every here hunt matter
and [snorts] he used to bring also other
kosher products from for matz oil for
besa oil other things potato starch and
um
we asked his son
and he said that everything is taken
care is going to be m okay but that
means already before the the levaya came
to New work uh the rebels already
diagoning what's going to be with Rabbi
Bongard's position
as Shia in Argentina
by the way
Moz Shabas
before the program of Rabbi Vineberg
called
the rabbi I think called Mashkat I think
it
He was also part of the Vat for in the
radio and the reb [snorts] gave him
money and told him that he wants to
sponsor the program of Moz Shabas the
nishmas of Rabbi Bombgart.
Now going back after uh
the everything told me to get in contact
with Anash in Bonosirus to be let's say
between five and 10 Anash families in
Bonosirus then to get in contact with
them and to see if They have somebody to
suggest to come
in in place of Rabbi Bumgarten. And they
gave they I
I went to Rabbi to Rabakov and I told
them that told him that they suggested
me to come.
Okay.
told me, "Okay, write to the Reb
if you are ready to take the position."
I wrote to the Reb
very straight
asking
[laughter]
that I'm ready if this and this
then I am ready to take this
as if the Rever wants it and
if there wants it and
I'm capable for it.
I'm ready to give myself over to the
and the Reb
surrounded all the words. The Reb wants
it.
The Reb wants it and I am capable. we
surrounded the whole thing. And uh in
the same letter
uh when I wrote that I was proposed to
write in to the rebu
somebody to be in coiler the whole year.
Besides the point I even don't have a
even don't have a don't have a don't
have a color. I I don't have a wife. How
can I go to
I got this? And the Reb answered
look for
besides that he surrounded the whole
other world. He puts
and then about what I wrote the wants to
be in coiler a year after the marriage
the wrote
here is different.
Okay. Um
then
>> now you have to find the
>> huh
>> now you have to find the
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was uh I they
have they have to find a shidak and went
through three days.
I didn't have any normal
offer any proper offer. I wrote into the
Reb have any proper offer already three
days the Reb told me to get a shak
and the Reb gave me a ask
[laughter]
laughed but he said asken
and the same day I got from three names
the of my wife
>> three different people. Yeah,
was a whole protise about it also.
Anyways
about the
and this was I and then I wrote into the
Niss
I got from the reban.
I went I met my wife first time since it
was Pesak. We met in her house
and
Dal Eeyore was already divor.
That means from youth Alf till Dal
Eeyore took the place the whole the
whole thing of the preparation of aid.
Okay. me.
I was going on the revisest places.
My wife was 19 years old,
never heard about Argentina.
And uh here she had to decide aid
go to Argentina
on
in one decision everything.
She says she didn't have any doubt she
wanted
was no doubt
by her by her group of friends. You go
to no doubt about it. She was 19 years
old and she accepted the
the whole thing the whole package.
Okay. After
the Reb answered the boat for the for
the Shid
and after and and in the answer
when we wrote
about when making the etc etc the said
should go already to Argentina before
the wedding
and come back here for Hass
and the Reb took care of the ticket. He
paid for the ticket
and
um I asked the Reb, I'm getting married
was the marriage and we were here. I was
traveling
vi or I was traveling to Argentina.
>> What year is this?
Mhm.
>> And uh
I asked the Reb if since I'm traveling
to before the wedding, I have to learn
before the wedding if I am if I ever
refuse to take from my two hours a day.
One hour for and one hour for
foridus.
And then I also ask and how should I
organize my sidri
when I am ready on
when you
>> married
and the first thing the Reb answered
obvious you can take the two hours and
learn
[snorts] and later the Reb answered
decide when time comes.
When I received the answer,
really
I felt like the Reb didn't didn't answer
me.
You decide
like the Reb pulled himself out. He
doesn't want to take of my learning.
[laughter]
He doesn't want to say and then I don't
fulfill. I don't know why the rebet said
like this but like he moved he removed
himself from from the union that's what
I felt as a idiot in this moment
but really with time I understood this
was the answer when you areas
you have to decide
there are moments when you have more
time there are moments you don't have
time there moments that you need it You
need it and you have to make time. It's
not something that is how do you say
kua
is not nailed how to do it.
Every situation is different. Every
moment situation is different. That's
what the Reb said
you will have to decide because not I
cannot give you one C for always. The C
for always is you take decision
how to when to learn how to learn.
>> My wife Yeah. Yeah. My wife stayed in
New York for the Hass and I was coming
back two weeks before the Hass
one the Hass and one week before because
I almost I barely saw my wife at all
because I saw her first time
and Zor
already traveled
how many times did I see her? I came a
week at least two weeks before the to
see it again. [laughter]
Anyways,
uh came Shu
came Shu
and um was qualies already started
Yahida's clothes then after Shu also the
sitting in
by the door receiving the panim giving
the dollars and a friend of my wife that
was getting married was going on
And Rabbi Klein tells my wife,
"Are you going on Yiddis tonight?" And
he said, my wife said, "No." Why? He
said, "Why not? I'm going to go into
when my husband when my comes comes
going to go for alone. I go to the
together with my
when he comes back." He comes back.
Okay. It's going to be
youamus. You got married
in the end of the we will go into your
Rabbi Klein said you go in today and
then you go again.
The kids are the seder walls that first
went all the hassanim
and then went all the colors.
When my wife came in front of the Reb,
the Reb took a pack of dollars,
looked at her,
put the pack of dollars down,
took a took a bigger pack of dollars
and gave it to her.
After the
my wife asked around no she received $5
of from the reb
and she asked she saw $5 is a is a
pretty good number she didn't hear that
the reb gives out $5
and she asked to other girls those times
all the girls were friends of the same
kid I mean it wasn't a huge from the
whole world it was a ask everybody got
three
only $3 she got five.
What happened was that when she told me
she's going into I told her I have to
get
prepared
because when you are going to go there
I'm also going to be there
I'm not going I also want I'm going to
be with you the
I'm going with you
and we
explained
we understood that the Reb gave my wife
$5 because she also gave for me because
even though the Reb didn't ask her her
name were the whole shoot of girls
she went through when the Reb looked at
her she he already had the dollars in
the hand put it down and put took more
>> amazing
okay so then you had the
went again that's what
Yeah. Yeah.
And then happened what I told you the
story of Mazimer.
>> That was
>> Yeah. This was by the
>> So then you went as a couple to
Argentina.
>> Yeah.
>> So what happened going to Argentina?
[laughter]
What happened was
that uh
okay the first give us
and he also gave me pesos
Argentinian pesos 3,000 Argentinian
pesos he gave me
that really these pesos were not
uh already
in uh
>> circulation
>> in circulation and they were already
changed because they had on on on top of
them they had a a stamp changing their
value. That means was already changed
one time the value and then was out of
circulation but that means the rebels
from long time ago. He kept the dollars
gave it to me $3,000 then 3,000 pesos
with three bills. Each bill was 1,000
pesos. Each bill was 1,000 pesos. And uh
he gave me
uh $5. $5
when when we stood next to the door of
Ganed.
>> So you went together this time.
>> Yes. Yes, we went together to receive
the for for for going out on the Yeah.
And uh uh we're standing there. The Reb
came out of from Ma and he saw us and he
said,
First of all,
the normal way that I used to say was
I traveled a lot of times. Always the
Reb used to say
this time the Reb said
first
He said it
and he said everything in Edish
different than August. The second thing
the Reb pressed every word he said.
He didn't speak flu fluent was stressing
every every word.
After this I told my wife something is
happening
when we took the plane took the plane
the plane was supposed to make
let's say Tossy two
two stops in the middle
where Misa made three stops
and took time etc. I arrived to Chile.
arrived to Chile
uh already
late morning was supposed to arrive
early morning and right away to come to
Benosirus
Mamshik to Benosirus
and but arrived late morning and people
were started complaining
but no But before I forgot something and
they said
our plane is leaving 9:00 at night
people started complaining was we we
came late here then we have the whole
day in in Chile 9:00 at night we have to
leave was was people started complaining
then was a military regime in uh in
Chile and they controlled the airports
and everything and also the company was
a national company launch Chile. I told
my wife, what do they think? They
complain around. They say like this like
this. I mean, what what you you're
talking also 48 years ago. What uh what
you complaining to the people in the
company? They they said the plane is
going out at 9:00. It's going out at
9:00. What can you do? Le
half an hour later they collap all
passengers of this flight of nile
goat boarding.
What happened? We're boarding. Okay.
Looks like the tinus of gate effect.
We're boarding. We came, we went out on
a plane of another company
called Ayro Peru
and we went on top on this flight
like 1:00 we went on top. Yeah, we
arrived in Bonosirus to 30
and we arrived in Bonosirus.
They say the luggage is not here.
Why? because they transferred some of
the passengers.
All the passengers, they already went to
eat. They sat down to eat. They this
they they stayed there or they said,
"Okay, we're going tonight." Okay. Those
that were waiting just there
went into Peru and they they only
transferred a few passengers, half of
the passengers, let's say, and without
the luggage. Okay. Came to Monosirus. We
say, "Okay, we will wait for the
luggage.
wait for the luggage. We didn't go back
to the city because go back city is 1
hour. Come back is another hour again
another hour. Okay, we stay wait there
for the luggage.
Kids said it was like
9:00 at night, 10:00 at night, people
come running into the airport. What
happened? The plane fell down. Plane
coming from China fell down. I told the
guy, "You are joking." [laughter]
He says, "No, it's true." What happened
was
>> there's passengers on it.
>> And here, here, listen, listen. The the
the plane, I don't know why, went down 2
kilometers before the airport and got
into the trees. There is a
a sod
field.
next to the airport and he got stuck in
the in the trees of the soda.
What happened was that since the the
plane was half empty because half of the
passengers went in the pre-or flight of
Peru, they all had time to to jump from
the plane was not one casualty.
Not one casualty. And right after the
people
jumped down, the whole plane went on
flames.
And we have I have in my house the
paper, the newspaper big headlines
by miracle
was no no how do you say catastrophe.
Not one person pastor died. Not one
person.
>> You had no luggage.
>> No luggage. No luggage.
>> Most people say they came with the sack
on their back. You came without a sack
on your back.
>> No, I had it on the back.
>> Okay, fine.
>> On the back. Yeah. Yeah. Because I had
all theim of the myim
that I hadis and answers with me.
I wanted to send it in the luggage. And
my brother came and says you don't send
this on the luggage. You take this in
the head. This is what's the difference
in the hand of the luggage.
It was the difference between the hand
of the luggage.
Also the the the the the shabas candles
that I the shabas lighter
that I brought for the house and all
these thing we had in the in our hands.
All the all the precious things that you
cannot recover we had in our heads. And
what happened was okay all my we had a
nurse I I I met a a lawyer for for these
kinds of accidents. One time I I saw him
not not before and not after only one
time and he told me and could that what
they want the companies want to pay is
according to some kind of value of the
gold and that this is not legally right.
You have to mod you have to uh ask
request they should pay you according to
to London the value of the gold in
London and when they the vice president
came and and he started telling we're
going to give you this told no but you
have to give me this this is okay what
did you have inside I I told him what I
I just got married the kids said they
gave me $7,000
with this $7,000
we paid to buy an apartment.
And my my my father and my
mother-in-law, they both gave us the
money to buy again all the things in
America and then we got it here. But the
kids next morning I called up Rabbi
Hodakov. I told him what happened and
the Reb's answer was
no.
This was the Reb's answer.
>> But was interesting that the Reb didn't
make any any fuse of it any made any you
know like forget about it and keep on
going.
>> Mhm.
>> He didn't make from it the whole story.
>> Okay. So tell me tell me about So what
were you doing there? What was the
Huh?
>> What did he do then those early years?
>> Oh,
[laughter]
now first of all
I tell you something.
I'm not going
let's
change a little sader.
A months later after we arrived,
a few parents came to ask asking us we
should start a a a girls seminary, a
high school.
Why? Because these girls were learning
in a basakov school in Buenosirus
and there here what used to be election
there are elections here in the hill.
And there are also like in Israel you
have the part different parties the same
parties you have in Argentina also for
the
and [clears throat] you had in the
two parties
and the girls these girls didn't work
for the party of the school
they were for another khalisha party.
>> It's like a party in the government.
>> No, in the Ka.
>> In the Ka. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. And there was a rabbi.
He was a big big misnugget.
He threw out all the girls. They didn't
help for this party.
And the parents of these girls came to
us and told us they were connected more
to Kabat. Those parents have some
connection to Kabad Rabba Bongart.
We should why don't we should open a a
high school for the girls 15 girls. I
wrote into the Reb
and the Reb gave me an answeric
answer.
The Reb answered me like this.
your starting point in your work
between brackets
the first year
to put good fundament base strong base
make strong and amplify
the things that kabat as in Argentina
they already exist existing
and the word massudor
underlined.
That means everything well organized.
And the Rebe gave me to understand
that he wants me to build up an
organized institution.
Not just
I to start a new
a new way
of
work of kabat in Argentina
in a well organized institutional way.
And
Daniel wrote,
"Oh,
no. This is the first thing is to
Does alcohol to concur conquer public
opinion
on agra
how you say on a pleased pleasant
and peaceful way.
Then he wrote
me Misukanal
an institution of this type we're
talking about 15 girls
will demand from you
ro the the majority of your attention
and your time
and I wrote that this is also connected
to
no
to what I wrote you before between
brackets.
>> So it's going to be a distraction.
>> Yeah. From your from your
>> Yes. And when he wrote me everything
like a show at the end he wrote
concuring public opinion the pleasant
way
is opposite of going and open an
institution because they threw out the
girls. You go and you open another
institution. This is not the way that I
want you to work.
This for me is a fundamental
mamesh calf line.
Things has to be meas
has to be solid as a base
has to be strong. Yeah. And then the
told me even you don't do things better.
You have a 15 girls receiving education.
You have to put yourself into it. You
don't do it.
15 girls talking 48 years ago is another
way. It's not like today
have the problems. We didn't have the
problems that we have today.
said, "No,
you
type of you have to put yourself inside.
You don't do it."
And also the
I'm still working on it to do things
well organized. I didn't accomplish it
yet. [laughter]
Okay. Why did I say this? You ask me
what did I do at the beginning? When I
came here, there was some inabat what
things rabbi bombard did before first of
all to take I remember I just came
off started
there was the whole
learning
was already the whole campaigns started
already in the talking we were already
was a lot and then we started going with
the people going with those people close
to an to go onto was a big big work big
work
>> that wasn't and that wasn't really done
yet in Argentina
>> that wasn't done yet in Argentina
>> that was yes done but now I came I have
to take care of now and also was yeshiva
had a yeshiva
let's say 20 25 kids uh gold every one
of them.
>> The one that you were in when did I
because when I was I was in yeshiva
>> he had his own yeshiva at that point.
>> Yes. After he was thrown out from
yeshiva
>> and also
there was an organization that was
connected to Rabbi Bumgarten. The since
they were connected to Rabbi Bumgarten
they were also thrown out from from
their building.
And then when they were thrown out and
Rabbi Banker was thrown out from from
Yeshu
because came this same Miss Nagish rabbi
came then he he he made sure throughout
everybody
and then today there's no these things
don't exist anymore
everything
I'm talking story from 48 years ago.
>> Mhm. [snorts]
>> And um
he started his own yeshiva. He started
on Yeshiva in a in a apartment that a
family close to him.
Abut family helped him gave him an
apartment to for the Shiva and Him Lidas
started. No, he was there. He were Yeah.
Yeah, he was already back. He was
already back from New York and he he was
supporting the yeshiva financially
and he started the yeshiva and and this
was the basis o of of the basis of anash
was the yeshiva that he made and from
then came out the the first
when I came I I appointed started the
first thing I did
was to start Mahn Gamroll Gamroll camp.
We got married with Tamos
and Tamos here in Argentina is winter
vacation
and
first of all we had in Argentina.
We restarted.
I went with Rabbi Daniel
four years already in city Tukum.
One and a half hours by plane from
Buenosiris
and we went to Merkash in whole
provinces of Argentina, 10 cities each
time for a whole months and uh was
Merkash also this year. And we started a
camp with this same Bim started a camp.
I was in New York getting married but we
had a camp here in Argentina for none
from children was a camp from none from
children and this was the first let's
say na
camp ganis we had like 40 50 kids
overnight camp not from not from
families they had the
immune they have the confidence to give
their children to these Orthodox rabbis.
It was a special time also in Argentina
politically. It was under a military
regime and all organizations
were like closed by by the government.
All the youth organizations that mainly
they were more lefties they were closed.
That's why I didn't know the whole thing
but dismay that a lot of kids. We
brought kids from all from all the
country. We traveled with with a boss
from bringing from from different
cities. We brought kids 70 kids. This
was half a year later we had a
summer camp. And later on I tell you
right away the first months I was asked
from a school called Wolson school to
teach the kids bar mitzvah.
Okay. I taught these kids bar mitzvah.
Some of them I just found them 48 years
later. [laughter]
Yeah. But the main the main story is
that 20 years ago
we took over the Wson school kabat
>> the school was going into bankruptcy by
a ness mamesh we took over the school
the school just had 118 children left
and today the school has 550 children.
>> Yeah. But this was the first school
where I went in that I taught the
children to put on film. It was a
conservative school under the
conservative movement.
But the manel was orthodoxminded. That's
why she called me to teach. This was the
first page say
outside. Yeah.
>> Were there um other that you got from
the over the years for the
I had a settle.
I I had a
[sighs and gasps]
we I had a talle. I wrote I wrote to the
rep after two three years I was on.
Yeah. Three years. I uh the the called
for a meeting
called for a meeting for all the
orthodox organizations
that assimilation is very strong and now
nobody is doing nothing.
I was sitting there and I felt very bad.
What do you mean nobody's doing nothing?
We were working. We were used to go to
schools. We had we had suka mobilebiles.
We going to all the non religious
schools. We used to go to all the
country clubs of the non-religious. We
were everybody. We gave shi we we we
brought professor branov all of us to
Argentina to give lectures. We had
great great persistence mameish great
persistence we had here. And uh how do
they say nobody's doing anything? Okay,
you can say it's not enough but not to
mention the work of Kabat and when I
wrote
D to the re used to write a D everything
that's going on. I wrote the D I wrote
about this meeting and I wrote they had
they didn't mention the work of Kabat
but they didn't ask for the question.
And he was part of a whole long d. And
next to it, the Reb put a question mark
and
and how do you say exclamation mark
and wrote next to the words? What means
who?
Val
had the whole mice about the matis.
You know them? I mean
>> what's the story?
>> Huh?
>> What's the story of the matis?
>> Yeah.
Story of the matters was
Maliff Memb I don't remember
malef
was a big big devaluation in Argentina
of the dollar of the peso
and somebody told and also in Brazil and
somebody told the reb about it and
thought that it's going to be a problem
with matches because you bring mats come
from Israel
and you pay dollars and it's going to be
a prize that people will be able to
afford it.
And Rabbi Hodakov contact me and ask me
if there is enough mats.
Really,
I didn't see a special but he asked me
if they're matches. I told him really
there's not enough mats because there
was here a main a main factory baking
mat but the main production was without
know
nothing and if I make a most of the
people in the street used to buy these
mats and they brought masses from Israel
but for let's say 10,000 kilos 5,000
kilos not for the whole for 100,000 Jews
that live in Bonosai 150,000 Jews
The kids said, I answered, "No, it's not
enough. It's how much you need." I told
him, "No, if there are 200,000 Jews, at
least one kilo per per Jew for a whole
week. 1 kilo mat for Jew. I need 200,000
kilos." 200,000 kilos is like 400,000
pounds. Need 400,000.
>> I said, "How many match has arrived?" 2
and a half,000 kilos.
Okay,
that's what it is. But the Reb was very
involved in it. Mamesh very involved in
it. And I felt that the RE was on the on
the telephone, I think. So, but
>> and uh
I wrote everything to the Rebe
everything to the Reb what we did. Even
I also wrote there was a satir rod
though. There was a friend of mine that
he was asking me what's what's going on
because the matters were machine matters
were machine matters
machine
he asked me why you give out mis
was I think of salv why don't you bring
a better ash from machine mis
I wrote everything to the rabbi
the kids are next year.
Next year
I was in New York together with Rabbi
Vitman
and Rabbi Hodakov calls us and we used
to go all theat when the summer here go
to New York. It was before Pesak and
>> we used to go to Vitment together.
>> No, no, no. But he was also from Brazil
is the same. Yeah. Yeah. And we were
both I ju I just interviewed him and he
spoke about how you and him went to
Russia together.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But here is another
story. This this story took place in 770
>> and uh
Raakov called both and he asked us if we
need matzah for this year. How much
matzah do we need? He asked how much
matzah do we need? I told
last year you asked me how much m do we
need? I told you we need 200,000 kilos.
You send two and a half thousand.
Whatever you will send, we will use.
That's what I told him. Two days later,
Rabakov calls us again to his room and
tell us the reb was very nonpleased from
your answer.
You have to say what you need. You don't
have to make the calculation of the
other person.
From there I also got a strong hoya.
Then
we had another thing that um
some yeshiva wanted we should take them
over.
We we wrote to the reb about it
that they they came and they want to
give over the whole yeshiva.
And the Reb answered
the Reb was very involved.
The Reb was on the telephone
speaking to me about it
and even giving the name. But the Reb
had a clear condition.
Kaba doesn't make with nobody
and said because when you have two
different
this is the way for
has to be one Balab boss there's one
Balab boss no mas
okay
didn't want to do something in
conjunction
>> yes if we take over we take them in
consideration the Reb wanted to keep
their name everything take them in
consideration
>> like Los Angeles the
>> Yeah. Yeah. the Reb brought them them
the Reb brought the example from Los
Angeles. The Reb said
>> to you in your
>> Yes. On the phone.
>> On the phone
>> was speaking. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Like
the spoke. You heard the deb on the
telephone.
>> Yes. Yes. like other
and he said yeshiva benocus ben no the
ish was called okay I don't want to give
more details about it and and
at the end they said there should be a
vat of three balim if there is any any
misunderstanding
They should be like a consulting vat.
And
said
like he he drew himself out of it.
Seems like this. Huh?
>> Like that's that's all that's all I'm
saying about this topic.
>> Yes. Yes. And Reb said every night
before the previous says
everything has to be legal.
Has to be legal. Legal legal.
That's why I'm saying it because I think
this is a hoya port in in in a
>> schol.
>> And when I came into Yahidas
half a year later more than half a year
later came into Yahidas
in the room
that the first thing the asked me
what happened with the yeshiva.
This is the first thing the Reb asked
me.
I said, I told to the
laughed and said,
You don't so you don't you don't have to
blame it on the I'm saying I'm telling
you
[laughter]
>> and then the says don't worry
don't become
this uh how do you say
don't don't become uh
this uh
>> dejected dejected.
>> No, don't don't become uh
without
don't be don't feel bad. Let's say don't
feel bad. Keep on going your your your
work and give big
>> well ishabad.
>> Yeah. Today is today is big is 160 and
we're now thinking about rebuilding the
whole the building. No. What are you
talking?
They couldn't believe it.
Wow.
Okay. There's a story you had with me
answer.
>> Oh, this was 10 years.
>> Yeah. 10 years after I was on
I wrote a title to the Reb
>> asking
but I wrote that I feel after 10 years I
feel more I feel weaker
and weaker
that's what I wrote
the
rabb pointed about
What did I understand? You are
that means you feel weak.
You feel weakness.
is feeling weak and we if you are you
cannot feel like that
I wrote to the after 10 years of
I was expecting some kind of a
but if you don't feel after 10 years
you don't feel the privilege you don't
feel you're strong you don't feel the
sing you don't feel the
you.
>> Okay, that's good. Did you ever write to
the Reb about uh the of of the the
kaspi? You know, the financial burden
that that you have uh any interactions
with the about that?
>> It was another story. You you want to
hear the whole the whole 48 years in uh
in in three hours.
Anyways,
what was was touching me and base was
the war of the malvenas
in England. In England they call it
folklands
but this is really valas are Argentine
and they are malvenas not fans.
>> Okay. [laughter]
is was the war.
It was a very hard time also
economically in the in country
and I had to go and pick up some 500
copies of of to of the week was the saua
the weekly s and I didn't have money for
the boss to go pick up the the but I
cannot call up somebody asking do you
have money to go with the boss say I
called somebody for donation then I
called another and The people answered
me, you know, I already went through a
war. I'm really thinking what's going to
do here if I'm staying here.
I got two answers like this. I just felt
what what's going on here? Yeah.
I pick up the phone. It was 2:00 in the
afternoon Argentina time.
Maybe in America it was 1:00 or 12:00.
Anyways, but it was a time when in order
to get in contact to America, you needed
two to three days to make the connection
and also later on that America should
call you back to also used to take
another day
to make the connection.
the mice. I I pick up the phone, I call
up, five minutes later, I get connected
to the international service.
Okay, I already got connected. They
connected me to 770.
But 770 had two telephone numbers that
were known for everybody. Mosquitoes
and 493525
uh 4939251.
These were two the two telephone numbers
of mosquitoes
and
they were always busy. Always busy. You
have only two telephones in the world
central two telephone lines busy the
whole time. Even if pick up I had to I
wanted to speak to Ra Kakov to speaking
about the situation.
Dman because Raikov worked in Meros and
in Mach and I don't know other things
what he and and if he was working for
Meros he didn't pick up Mach things if
he was working Mach didn't pick up for
Meros things I don't know where he was
holding exactly if you can pick up my
phone
that means I had to go through a lot of
a lot of barriers till I got to Rabakov
[clears throat] but here
got connected to America right away.
Telephone rings. It's not busy sign.
It's ringing.
Rabbi Klein right away
to Rabbi Kakov. Nope. I tell him the
whole story. What's going on?
And I leave it. That's it. Okay. We'll
call him back.
10 minutes later I got a phone call from
Rabbi K also take one day right away I
saw that
the the tear of him and how often
says you ask for money
a time ago tick this was like in
was
it was or by asking for money.
>> I'm not following. You asked for money
before.
>> Yes, in order but never got an answer
about it.
>> Okay.
>> Mhm. No, I got an answer. Rabadakov told
me you know what he told me was you
coming to take money from the Kaiser's
Oiter. You come from the treasure of the
Sar. You come take money. You have to
bring money to the SARS treasury. But
you coming to take money from the SARS
treasury.
This was his answer [laughter]
is
but I forget about it. Okay.
Uh is say you ask for money time ago.
The Reb appointed to give you a loan.
The Rebel wrote $2,000, but he changed
it to 3,000.
You should have an idea. In this time,
a worker, a clean worker in the Biscabat
used to receive $25 a month.
>> That means 2,000 $3,000 was money,
>> right?
>> And Okay. and you give it back the way
you want and when you want.
And then the Reb gave you the Reb said I
said like this the Reb said give over to
you on the other
we didn't send you to make the
calculations
of the economic policy of the country.
Your job is
spreading guide and spreading the mayus.
You didn't say mayon. Yeah.
Uh surely
we talking about with confidence in the
surely
people will ask you what you think about
the future.
You should say you're not a prophet
but you your job is to spread
and the mayon.
This was the answer.
>> Unbelievable. And this is for me a key
answer
because if not I wouldn't be able to go
over all kinds of crisis and situations
that we went through here in Argentina.
We started building the new building of
the school that finished already three
years ago in the worst moment of
pandemia of of of COVID. We're not
allowed to be two people together
and then we start building. [laughter]
The worst moment kids are uh but the
story didn't finishes there. This was on
a Tuesday
Thursday
a good friend of mine Mr. Solomon Suton,
very prominent Sephardic family here in
Argentina told me
go to such such bank
was a Jewish bank speak to the president
ask him for a donation they have money
now
and I told him it's already after
banking hours
was after 3:00 :00 after 4:00 he says no
problem you go you bank the door
by the street you say you want to speak
to the president and you ask for a
donation okay I came there I bang the
door
it never occured me I can bank the door
of a bank after banking hours but I went
back the door they opened me I said I
want come to speak to the president they
let me go up to the president's office.
I speak to the president secretary
and and he goes into his office. He
says, "Wait, he will receive you."
At 7:00 he received me.
I tell him,
"You don't know me. I'm doing here the
work of I know you very well. I know
whatever you do. You don't have to tell
me."
Was first time I was meeting him.
tell me what you need. And I told him, I
have a depth of people $25,000
and he doesn't let me work because of
the depth. I cannot do things because I
have to concentrate the whole time and I
have to pay paper. Says, "Don't worry.
Tomorrow we give you the $25,000."
>> Yeah.
>> This was the first big donation
that I received from a donor. I was
receiving money from Lapid's family
very nicely. Yeah. But for the Shiva
but from somebody out of the Kabad
circle was the first big dish.
Then I received Mr. millions from them
>> from the from the bank.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> The the bank went bankruptcy.
It's a whole story.
>> Okay. So, that's a little bit of a taste
of the of the the miracles of
So, did you did you bring to the Reb?
>> Sure.
>> Any story? Any stories that you want to
share about that? I brought about a boss
to the reb
that
he broke he went bankruptcy three times.
He was a giver and three times he is
govern
and he came to the level with me.
He didn't have money for the tickets.
He asked for a
>> by dollars. What? What is it?
>> No, no, no.
>> And
as for the bro
and since then he became [snorts]
but lately
and also he wanted to marry his children
and have not one child married. Didn't
have no money. In one year he married
two of his three children.
But this year,
just a few weeks ago,
one of children showed me a letter
that the Reb wrote to his father.
Then I didn't know about the letter.
The Reb tells him wants to thank him for
his help.
what he's doing for the mises of the reb
especially
what he's doing to make biggeras
hamsters
the Reb sent him the
some the Reb thanking him for what he's
doing for the Mes especially for Harov
is and underlined
Then I have some other battling. I
cannot tell the stories because they are
too private.
Miracles.
There's a video of someone asking with
you I think by
that if she heard that the said whoever
wants to be can raise their hands but
she wasn't there. So she's asking the
for that. No.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> That's just something that I saw.
>> They've had
this family.
>> Yes. And they know that the co is of the
reb
last week I was by the oil.
I called him up.
I asked him if he wants to ask something
special
and he says should be able to do Ver the
Albert this and then I tell him no you
are a partner of the Reb. He tells me no
a soldier.
Amazing.
So let's end off like this. Um,
how do you uh live with the today in
your personal life and and what does it
mean to be aid after?
>> We leave it for after Mashiach comes
>> what
>> if we leave it after Mashiach comes.
Okay, it's this is
too personal.
How your is too personal?
>> Who says I'm a
at least you sound like one?
>> I know. But you ask me to be not to
sound like
this. You can other people can can can
give you. So what's the message to to me
or to anyone that listens that wants to
be today
that we connect to the rabbi today the
way you're describing it
then
this is the way through this you have
you have everything through this you get
to everything through this you live with
the reb and you
actually get to everything
>> it's that simple
Yes.
Oh, it's simple to say. You have to do
it. Yes. You learn, you are living it.
Then okay, then you you work on
yourself.
Then you work on yourself.
But you have what bit what to work.
>> Mhm. You work with the Reb. You don't
work with
with your
stomach ideas.
Sounds very simple and a big aa and uh I
appreciate very much that uh this very
conversation and you should continue uh
to fulfill the
>> Amen. I hope it's it's how do you say
>> 100% it definitely will be.
Bye-bye.