Ep. 51: Why Rabbi Hodakov Woke Me Up In Middle Of The Night with Rabbi Zalman Lipsker

We were listening to that. Then all of a sudden the rever says and nobody know what I will not forget. I flew up like a airplane. I don't know how I did it and I stood right there and I love that song. This episode is sponsored by Napa Valley in Napa Valley, California. If you've been enjoying this podcast, please like and subscribe so that others can enjoy it as well. In addition, if you've benefited in any way from a monkin podcast and would like to give something back, you can do so today at.org/donate. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing faban about life as our vibrant connection with theb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. How are you? >> Okay, thank you so much. What I would like to ask you is I know the lipskar is a very is a shame kully in labavich. So maybe you could tell me a little bit about your parents, where they're from and then where you were born. Vulu. >> Yes. Uh my parents were born in Palava. Palava in those days was Soviet Union. uh in the year from Schnath to Radi the end of the ro was my zer he was the zer he was the palav he's the famous >> no in his time when like the the famous palav Ro was under I forgot his name. It was a banter ro who was also a a rabb that he was also a with the rebashab in his time from pest till sadimu he was the palavo as a matter of fact that I visited palava and my great nephew harab seagal is a inav and he showed me the place where the shul the main synagogue was was my de. So he was a labavicher who >> my was officially not a lobavicher but he he learned every shabas that's what he does but not he didn't learn in lubavich he was older than that but he was close to labavich as a matter of fact when his children started to grow up it was in palavia m yeshiva uh and a lot of people were learning there. But the ZA said that if I really want that the kinder which was Mik Yank and my father who was the oldest of the brothers >> what was his name? >> My father's name was Ariel. Mhm. >> And uh I would like to tell send him to Loab. But in those days it was a real problem because the shivas were running from one place to another because of the KGB the gap and he gone to the mises. So he sent my father away and Mhall. Yankl was not sent there. I really don't know why my father all of us in Mik they went there. So where did they go? >> In Karov then later on in Vips. And it's a very interesting story that I reminded I never saw while I'm talking to you. As he was learning in Kob and he was aim of he reached the age of 18 and a half 19. My father was called in by Hasher Fagen who was the maser there and said to him labor, I want you to go in and cities which are somebody had to run away from there because they were after him and I would like you should go there >> inhiv in >> and he and he said this is So my father said to him, I don't understand. I just came maybe a year and a half I am here and I was wandering from one place to other from one room to another room because this was when they caught somebody they had to go to another room. So he said to him, "This is what is going to be you have to." And he told him that if you will agree to it, I will make sure that you'll go on your to the Reba in Lingrad. He will arrange that he will send me there. >> His bacham weren't >> not everybody was going to go there. As he heard this, his mind turned around right away said okay. But in mind he had it that he left the rebell the same time why he should not accept the uh job so to speak the of being um a major es the Reb was with a red the Reb was with a red beard and he looked at him he says two label palav was first and that this you are labeled palav that you're going on so he said yes >> and my brother loangis told me that it wasn't for bringing in our house which I was here already this must have been inhov I would not answer what it will be with me >> I reminded myself this story >> wow okay so um it's an important it's an important >> and then from Alav as he got married to my mother which is the sister of Alexander Sander Manin which he was the so to speak the gaba in that shul revelo he was the the father of my mother which is also the father of Sander Manin. He married her and interesting that represander Manin married prior to this my father's sister >> which is a deav of >> they were brother they were >> so we were from both sides >> my uncle and my aunt >> and this is how we started but later on when that started the problems and the and the inonym of re Russian behavior became very very uncomfortable for Eden so somehow [clears throat] he was told through I don't know how he got the answer from the rebadikb it was in the pace that he should go to kotisi >> to kotesi so he went be many lab stayed in in in Mus >> originally not yet not completely at Al Repin were there but after a while everybody left like left in the Sheen not invited we're talking about Rashm left in the Sadik actually when earlier but when we came nobody was there yet then it started a whole group >> when when World War II broke out A lot of people started running away by saying >> yeah but some people came there was my family it was um have you heard of >> uh it was a leikavin you know >> so your father and his brothers also were there >> yes all three of us >> okay so that's where you were Yes. I uh I was born in Koutin. I was born in Kouti. >> So, not after I was born. >> Now, you were born there. >> I was born there. >> So, what was it like? So, how what was it like? I mean, you remember it, right? You were a kid. >> Oh, I remember as a kid the brim. I could remember I remember Ben Worov. >> I was a little child. I remember that >> they were there. >> They No, they became they made the yeshiva upstairs in our uh attic was the yeshiva there. Mhm. And you went to >> Oh, here's another interesting thing. Uh after learning and to learn there and found out and find if people would find that we in our place we are teaching the children, our Jewish children officially my parents did not have children. It's interesting. >> You weren't registered that you existed. were not registered. >> So that way you don't have to go to public school. >> Otherwise we would have to go to public school. And this remind me a very interesting story. I remember like today I was a child of five and a half years old. We lived on a second floor. From outside there was one way that that we came up stairs and from the other side we had another stair that went to a little river. Anahar a river it's called night >> a river. Yeah. >> And every once in a while I remember [music] the KGB. My mother asked who is it? So they answered the KGB. So he said okay I'm coming. And there is a curtain here. It was in behind the curtain. It was a door that put us down to the river. >> Like a secret exit, >> huh? With stairs, >> a secret uh >> a secret place. She covered it and she put us all down and said, "Where are the children?" She said, "We don't have any children." They didn't know that was a mother covered it. I remember it like today. >> Then I remember that here. I bought the fourth one. So this is like the story books. vis. >> Yeah, >> my father officially was in the army, but thank God it was in Kouti station. So all of us thought he became with a few dollars he became a nurse. >> Mhm. >> And in those days as it bad as it was, a few dollars did the trick. So >> who and who taught you in the huh? Who who it was? His name was and he used to have my elders two brothers who started already Ibra and then and then then it was he's in America till everybody is gone and then me and learned the id base in IRA and uh that's about all. >> So Imm learned in in the underground >> that's correct. >> Wow. Okay. So this is till what age? What happened then? >> When I was >> I was born >> what year? I was born in Kofkisleto and we left on 46 >> which I was about six years old a little over six and how did we go out? because it was heard in 1946 that the zed referring to the pribe was called the zeta that it says that since it's after the mel and Russia permitted that all the polish immigrants could go back to pawn the melee it would be the right thing to go back to Poland. But we knew what it meant. And there it start the famous Bha. I'm sure you heard about it. >> Shalon and everything. >> Yeah. Shalon. And unfortunately at the end was killed. Remandal Futurf was later put in jail and then so on and so forth. And then we somehow were wondering two years in a row, a little over two years from place to place from Czechoslovakai, Vienna, Austria, um all kinds of places till we finally came to Germany. In Germany, my father Oliver Scholam when we came to Germany, But till we came to Germany, it was a very very very heavy heartbreaking and scary moment physically and mentally. It was times that we had to go at night a whole night and quiet. Nobody should heard the voices. But we did what the Reb said. >> And you remember this whole thing? I remember like today >> going on a train and everything. >> The train was at the end already. This everybody could remember. But it was two years later. Huh? >> How do you get from Russia over the border? But >> at night, >> not in a train. >> No, later on when we came to Poland from what is it called? The first mental >> which is called Dame Galitia. Galatiana which was the Leo. And then when we came to Germany, right away I remember the people who were there was raitsovich zman, my uh youngest uncle uh Ellipker from Toronto, the the father of Mandal and Solomon uh big I think he who is he >> I don't know okay >> Ellie Abbert Zman light's father his family came a roayor >> so >> I go >> so weird this was in pucking or this different place >> it was two big places the biggest place was talking and we were inal. So there's all these that you're mentioning with with >> those all the was with us in but on poking >> right >> and in poking was the sha at that time and my father since my oldest brother Olan was already mit there in poking but in there he made a uh uh And you can see here there is a picture of the tomote that my father made in. >> Oh so this is >> this is the book >> that has a lot of the things we're going to discuss. It's called >> well you you asked me about my coming out from Russia. We didn't get to yet. >> Yeah. I'm I'm just uh letting all the people that are watching the video and listening to know about the safer that most of the things we'll discuss are in here. >> So here's a picture of the father. Oh, this picture is also I believe the it's in the did I ever give you that picture? I don't think so. >> In the magazine that we did an article interview >> if I'm not mistaken. >> That's my father has the sh the Let me see that picture. Let me see whether this is the one. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, how long were you in the yeshiva there? >> We were in Germany for two years. >> Two years. >> And what was life like over there? >> Well, was I don't I don't understand even how they existed there. I remember two things that it was the my father-in-law made the Talmut and also for girls uh based I don't remember what it was called but it was a for teaching med and I remember that they had to make a mikvah I was already but at that time eight and a half years nine years and I remember it was a big big frost and they cut pieces of ice and they dug a a place like a bore a pit and I remember this like today that Mort who was a great rob and he started to make like this with the hands. >> So what does that mean? to >> measure to measure it. Okay. >> It stuck to me until the days like I see it now. >> Wow. >> This is interesting. And obviously all this is why the rabbit guide us from A to Z. Reb told us to go my father from Baltav to to watch my call to Kayi. Then later on my Z sent my father and his other brothers to and with the reason that if he wants him to remain in this time Eden Dav because this was the shine and the strength of these was like without it we can't be around. As a matter of fact, I remember that before we used to go to sleep, my mother said, "This was the good night." >> It's unbelievable. And then, >> wow. Okay. >> And after you read that book, you have a lot of interesting things. I could just tell you one thing concerning this journey. When we came to Germany, the Reb wrote to the Reb where we should go and the Reb talking about >> making sure everyone understands. Okay. >> You have to make sure everyone understands what you're saying. >> Of course. Of course. You're right. Uh we ask the Reb where to go. Some people were sent to Australia like what's his name? Morapova sent in Australia. My father, my uncle, my father's brother Mikol was sent to Morocco. And my father got interesting a letter from the Reb where it says that he should go [snorts] to America. Unbelievable. Let me just see where the letter is. This is what the Reb wrote. You should go to America. But interesting enough. If the Reb said to talk to America, whatever thing we had, we send it. >> You sent it to America. >> To America. And a month or so later, the Reb all of a sudden wrote another letter that he should go to Earth is Royal. >> So all of your stuff was sent to America already. >> We went to Earth Royal. And here is the two letters. Mish. Unbelievable. Oh, this is one letter. It ends here. >> Okay. He said writes that um first your mother was pregnant. >> Your mother was pregnant. He gives a bra >> in America. >> Yeah. To have a safe a couple letters later. >> So this was >> Yeah. >> So then there's another letter. >> I don't know whether it is or whole bunch of letters, but in one of the letters, right? We should go to Israel. >> Yeah. Um sign on this one. >> If you'll give me I'll show you the letter. >> Okay. Well, >> there's interesting. >> Yeah. So, it's a few letters later. Okay. And >> almost a year later. >> Yeah. So, you should go to Wasn't even to tell you right away. >> Right. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> This is something new. >> Yeah. Unbelievable. >> So folks not fulked aid is apart from a negle. >> Mhm. >> If he tells you this is what it's all about. How did we go out? Have we heard that was in the middle of the night? My father heard that we a possibility to go out because the rabbi said we should go as Polish immigrants. How would he how could he go? As I mentioned, he was working as a a as a nurse. Remember I mentioned it? >> He gave a guy a hashapor >> after 12 a.m. and he asked him that he should take that ambulance and bring him to the granite to some. And this how we went out >> to the border. >> To the border. >> Wow. Okay. So, so you went to Israel. >> Yeah. >> When they got to Mishbaka and where did you settle? >> Uh inat rav lud. And as we came to Israel, it was right after the end of the it was so to speak Israel since we wore a big mish. So first of all a kadash was brought to bet olim. Bet olim means uh absorbent center that they expect people. Huh? >> Absorption center. >> Absorption center. And what did they give us? Materials. A tent. Uh how do you say a present in temp? >> A tent. >> A tent from uh clothes. We were there for a couple weeks. >> Water again. It wasn't the greatest, but at least we were out of the underserved. Later on, they brought us to Tanatra Kevlude, which was an area where it was just kept and captured from the Arabs. house. But it was right after the and it happened that the previous came to when he went back from it. You know the way. >> Yeah. On the way. >> So the same place. >> Yeah. And since my father, I remember it like was was on an with many children called in Hebrew. So he said you can choose whatever you want. So my father looked around and says this is how it happens. So this is now this is we're going about what in 1949 >> it was no yet >> right so that's where you that's where you stayed >> this is where we stayed this is what we are living then then I came there then laser Iches laser means the masm and his uh there so on and so forth. >> Mhm. So you that's where you grew up and spent your time. You went to yeshiva there. >> H beginning first of all we went to Tel Aviv. There was no yeshiva. I stood by melavski at night and we landed in the morning by 12 by Brook and then we found the yeshiva and then came later on developed and became the yeshiva gela. Then from toshin olive became the big part the big zal in inraud which till a couple years later was in was innatra on the learned in parardith. They learned in the parardith. I have I hope you heard about it. >> Yeah. Over there was >> and then was the gantalaboth and then it was also budgim was he was sh at that time was from the then was the he also taught the tanim who came a big group at that particular time and this how it was developed >> and then unfortunately at toin something very bad happened. This is after your gimu your dalled but it was a um development in Kabad and the sh was there not the daily l that was still in lude but I'm talking about the the made happened. The story of the five whom Bad killed and we all know the story that the Reb said that I myself actually has to go to comfort them and give him a little but for certain reasons I cannot. I will send him and they will be just as I am there. This was the expression of the rabbi. We were youngl at that time. We were 14, 15, 16 year old boys. And then the year later they came to Zion and they are coming around a big big about coming to the Reb. >> So may maybe explain explain explain it to me. >> Why would I explain it? >> Tell me why. What >> as good as we know about the reb but everybody privately knew like I said my mother know my father know but as a cl as a whole talesim in general should know that we have a such a great reb they gave through there for bringing us through their fact that they gave each and every uh it was three and a half four weeks I don't remember how much how long they were but I remember they were in Tel a Viv they were in in Kabad they were inv every in his way explained and spoke and then they Buddha was to arouse and make sure bokimal light men how and what the Reb is accomplishing and what he's accomplishing. >> Do you remember some of the things that they said? >> What what had they said? >> Do you remember what what they I remember what they said that uh I remember for example David Shad said the Reb he cares and thinks about each and every one of us somebody else. I mean these kind of expressions and who else was very oh you'll know that it was expected that when the come because of milo was the the so to speak the commandment or theosha that as the reb himself came so the world at this royalty the world made that day as an outstanding day, not only by it was like a a moment that they said that something special happened in Israel. And I remember uh Rabel Berislin where the elderly man he came of course they came to to greet and I remember like today that somehow when we saw the the the theim come down I'm getting the chills when I remind myself how everybody got a and [laughter] picked him on his shoulders. It was a reb. And then started when they came and they settled each day. It was a day a planned day. This is unbelievable in Niger to give presents from the Reb, memories from the Reb. And this was something that Angic like today. And I wasn't old man. uh uh but still I remember we were also a group in Kyifa a half a year before so they also came to him they didn't miss any talmra any part of yes any area where sidim was not to be there to bring the with the importance of >> So because of that you wanted to be by the >> Yeah. >> So how did you make it happen? >> Oh, I wanted to be there and I was made action. I'm a little action. I was told with my family it was Yeah. I don't know four or five months after the top I think. Yeah. >> I decided I want to go. I remember by um who was the for bringing by the I think it was by Scholam Slavin. You heard the name of Scholam Slavin. He was the son of Abramik Slavven. You heard the name Abra. Yeah. And everybody met and can't just go. They have you have to be Yeah. And I will go and this is what happened. And then at the end of the year I came to the >> She went straight from to the >> No, this is another par. >> What happened? >> First of all, I had to be mit. >> Mhm. my so to speak um date was already to be to >> you ready >> to be drafted and then go there >> and then as I wouldn't have to >> you get a tour >> notur while I'm in yeshiva I could learn >> okay >> but you can't go out >> what did I Then I build their mansion. I somehow irregate my passport that it should be instead one month another month three months earlier. >> You mean you change your passport? >> Yeah. the the to that laid down the birthday >> I changed >> from I don't remember how it was >> and I had somebody to teach me how to do it >> even a degree >> so and until then I'm permitted to go out >> okay >> but the only road three months and I had to come back and >> where we money >> to travel. >> Huh? >> To travel. >> Yeah. To travel to have a bus like we were children. We didn't have to. It wasn't later on. It was in the early youth. >> There was nothing. >> Yeah. It's not, but it's still not like it is now. So what happened? It was a guy showing he said to me those foreign. >> So you got 600 lit to leave. >> Yeah, that's what >> you wrote to the deb about this. No. >> No. >> Okay, >> but wait a second. as I came to >> to Paris after David. It was terrible. God answered learn through the yeshiva because the yeshiva had to give us um a visa. Oh, by the way, my brother Oliver Scholam, my father was mask that April 4th finally. >> Yeah. Why? Because Lipsk was almost ready to go to the army because I'm ching. >> He wanted to go to the army. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, so the day before this foreign. >> So if you're going to you and Elliot in Paris. >> Yeah. And you got a letter through whatever that >> we asked a visitor. >> You got a letter from the You got a letter from >> a letter from But good night when we will hear good news from. So your father wasn't so off, >> huh? >> Your father told you you have to learn and before you go. He >> My father, as you can see anyway. >> So you learn better than listen, >> huh? >> So you learned better than listening. >> Yeah. And he took the opportunity. He took I was a little upset about him, but I I'm very happy that I was there. >> Okay. So this is how it happened and then finally I came. >> So you there so you therein >> you're in in France >> from it was from the beginning of till >> this was in Brimma >> in Brua. No, I stood officially. I came to my uncle Sander Manin and a lift could a but a my uncle you remember I mentioned them >> and I stood by them but right away when he came I had to go to the this where we were. >> Mhm. Just one little note that I it's important that you that sure young kids and should know howim cared and it was a greater Eid a big his name was I don't know whether you heard your name huh Huh? >> Binitki, right? He was in B, not in Binoa, in modern hotel where my uncle sender and and a border and everybody looked up on him. Just to look on his face, you saw Amster the writer. Did you ever see him? He was never here. >> I never saw him, but I read >> You heard of him? It was a very very gishmak prison to look at al tape. To make the story short, we were there coming sometimes for shabosim. So we were known to him. So we told him when it came close that we are going >> to the rabbi >> to the rabbi. The night before me and my brother went up and he was like Dr. So we slept over by my uncle and aunt and early morning we took I don't remember a taxi or whatever to go to the port in Marseilles there we had to pick up the ship the boat we didn't go by uh by airplane this how we And there as we went downstairs and I remind myself I felt like crying. ask her and go down to see how young boys go to the Reb. This is something that stood with me and still sticks with me. Very interesting. >> You're saying that he's a >> move to for him to go down from the steps. You're talking to me about steps hotel in Paris in Rubisha. A whole bunch of steps till you go down step to step. He's downstairs. I came to part with you. So my brother gave her regards. I I had other things to give over from them. >> You had both. >> I had other from my father before I left to give over to the Reb. So we decided what? >> Oh, you split up. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> This was it. And we came to America. So you said the date before it was uh >> you said the date before >> which is three days before Rasho. Then when we came in the first what by the way together with us came two people three people. One of them was the um Zoho Beer at that time. It was the first or the second, I don't remember. His name was Katsko Springer Yitskrer's brother. And then I eat from Paris Tashkanter. And then the third one was Mayor Freriedman, historic Friedman's older brother which are Galdu. >> Mhm. >> This is what they were. And uh when we came in with a boat, I remember Gersa Mandal Springer uh Istoic Friedman who was here already and somebody else came >> to greet you >> to greet us and somehow took I don't remember a car or a Uber but we went there. So we went right away to the mikvah and for my we saw the first time the reb was very very very moving for name we are here the fear that we saw it was like almost trembling >> you're trembling Yeah. No, >> that's the way that's the way it was whenever you saw the >> many times. >> Mhm. So you came right so you did right before. >> Yeah. Then uh interesting story happened at that particular year. We shouldn't say but it was epidemic like >> epidemic. A lot of bokim were sick. Have you ever heard it? >> They were in the dormatory >> in all the dormitories. Six 76 then it was on Troy Avenue. A lot were very sick at happened by me. I was also sick. >> What was the sickness? >> I don't remember what I got big fever. >> Okay. And it was problems. The Reb asked about certain people and he asked me then Ellie went a little later. He said, "No, he feels strong." Huh? >> Yeah. You feel strong. >> How you feeling? Then it came out of him keeper a lot of us went with heavy fever. I remember like today I was trembling from from the but and totally just the he as the what to do and the rebab. >> He added Yeah. I said I remember like today I'm still around. >> [clears throat] >> that's I don't remember it was three times the one time >> one time usually we go keeper three times >> oh that's what it means >> I don't know I thought I thought uh not like you think I thought it was probably amal this is what I think I went three times don't matter three >> I misunderstood the whole thing >> I don't know huh Huh? >> I thought it means one. >> I don't know. Maybe I miss, but I this is what I think. >> Well, yeah. I'm sure you heard this story. >> Yeah. But I Yeah, but I >> But in the group then later on some most of us became healthy. Then it was suka's time where the reb as was eating by the suk. But now he's the suki. It was st sticking out a a vman a porch and there it was the suki that they were eating >> the fe. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Upstairs. But in some people were still sick. Pis and he said he gave my cookies. I think even though he was sick was >> you heard about it. >> I did hear about that. Yeah. >> Okay. I remember I was >> going to ask there's a story of Gashandle with this. Yeah. >> I told you that >> look these things are like happened today. Then it became that year they put him to Shinhai. I must say that it was in a hole in Albony Avenue. Here is the rabbit sitting. Here is Rashak sitting. Look, you see what I'm talking about? And here is Rabimentik standing the meet the cup arkim. There it was shar and somebody else and me and I saw mamesh every single thing and I repeated to people later on I found out just a week ago I I I mentioned something was it was then I don't know whether I should mention it publicly. >> It's all recorded. >> Huh? >> It's all recorded. >> It's recorded. >> Okay. So, you want So, I should >> more important things. What I do want to mention that finally when the Reb was agreed not to take the fourth cup of Benedicting, he turned to me and he said, cup and he took the cup and said >> and we saw that man is gone. We saw mama the man is gone. This is already came out early morning >> right >> and they said they sang the right news. as the secretary right give a clap on the in front of the but again between the men he wanted to give a club he's a he was a different but they saw the reb right away held back the minute they took up out the reb >> collapsed >> and the rebel left. >> When the reb left, they took they let the rabbi go out. >> Mhm. >> He moved. >> He collapsed. Middle come. >> I don't know whether you heard about it. >> You didn't? >> I did hear about it. But yeah, >> you did. >> I heard about it. Yeah. Doesn't mean I don't know if I heard it from someone who was there because >> I don't know if I heard it from someone who was there or I heard a cliche. So >> I heard I never heard I saw it. >> Yeah. By me that man is that is totally against I know when the rabbit said to them that he should go with them you know about it he never took off the gle >> this I know for a fact how because the people who were there were with him came out the gun side and he would never move whether he went to sleep in the this I don't know but uh they saw it they What was the um you said that you had to bring to the >> you had to bring to the when you were when you came. So this was in like >> Huh? >> You said that people sent you with things that you you and Ali split up that uh >> No, that from my father certain things. So this was in this >> personal things that the Reb that he wanted to we should give over the Reb. >> What happened when you went into when >> what happened all the things? This is why it's not >> that's why we're sitting here. No. >> Huh? >> That's why we're sitting here. No. >> To tell to tell about but not >> I don't think so. She thinks what it could be about. You could say >> so. Is there anything from that you could say? >> Yes. I could say that once when I was a ber in yeshiva the reb mentioned that to me about problem I did forgot one day film and I as the reb I was upset no so the reb told me certain things he said pale No clown. >> Yeah. from I thought I should learn this. This is a lotion for I will repeat it in English. You were gonna say it in English. >> Okay. The Reb answered me that regardless of the time, even though it's almost close to the sedar, you have to eat and then come to the sedar. You should not live without putting up in a tam film. It has also a mocker a reason because of what is it that Tom's film comes after this is my explanation he made a right after this you should put on there's no >> there is no yeah >> this what the answer is >> so the is that you should always put on right And thank God they this I for fulfilled and a lot of them are I helped them with that too and I know that later on he mentioned that to somebody else. >> Mhm. >> That has a place in this episode is sponsored by of Napa Valley. in Napa Valley, California. So my Shila is when you were Bak in 770. What was the I don't know what the word to use, but the the Yakas and the relationship to the Reb in those years. >> Very good. First of all, I had a personal thing once as a ber, you know, we had from 770 on the same side of 770 past Brooklyn on the same side of Eastern Park. were our was our dormatory and at that time it was our kitchen our uh place where we ate and uh at times it was like right after Shak about 10 10:15 we used to meet the Reb on the way because he when we came to Brooklyn he turned in from Brooklyn >> Eastern Parkway >> to Eastern Parkway once I was walking with Abal walking together from 770 to eat. It was a week and a half or two weeks past Pesak as we saw the rabbit turning in stopped right away as he passed us. He says as he was passing us Zoomer like somebody said without a coat. Imagine it was after without a coat. Ah summer already. He asked me a personal thing. This what I can tell you. [snorts] And then it was it was landing in that must have been already later. Then as it was in Tshinov, they had a problem. They found out about over a half a year. Rabbi Kino found out about it and they warned the Bim that if they will again come to the he will throw him out of the I didn't know what to do. So it was a while till I came into. So I figured instead writing to the Reb, I'll hold it off. I couldn't do anything. And I went into and told the Reb the whole story in writing. I wouldn't talk. I wouldn't be able. He could hardly answer. But that's about all. Then he said to me, Kalmanovich out there see you the old one or the young one. He didn't learn yet. Apparently no young Israel learn and I started learning there is >> interesting story >> did I ever tell you that story no >> uh I think so >> I did okay >> but I know it doesn't make a difference the question is what everyone else knows >> and um you're also >> from the shimm >> yeah if you're from the can so what So was describe what what is the canon and what does it mean? >> It was very interesting. This is a gracious from one hand but apparently with every comes a great responsibility. We got pretty beat up once. So what what is the cannon? First for >> the cannon was that the reb wanted seven should devote himself on limodus extra and seven who should devote himself extra. And he was the one the the Hanola was suggesting a lot of then he this is what they say they he chose which one which yes was not which and this is what he did and then he wanted that should learn and and get more involved And I also wanted we should say pilpim every Friday in and Shabak in Shabak in on Friday because a short day in Niger in the winter times but apparently at the end because of but Leel he he wasn't happy with the faith of the reb me who can like the reb once expressed himself I gave more Dr. is good that you gave more but I expected more especially we weren't as apparently the wasn't happy and called us in and that was also called in at that time and that was Khan Gitenstein who also came at that time apparently said the same from the for and he cried and [clears throat] this was him. The Reba cried that >> when he spoke, >> what did Reba say? >> That I I had in mind to do more What the Reb meant? He knew more than we need. But at least what we meant, what we meant, understood what he meant is that we should behave a little more better. More devotion, more. >> So it continued afterwards. >> It continued afterwards. >> Continue afterwards. The condom the condom continued afterwards. >> Huh? >> The kum >> and then we can they continued still here. No, I don't know. >> I think they I'm not sure. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> But we were the first one. >> So, >> and we were there and that he the sent in a lot of we were chosen. >> Right. The Reb chose the names. the under to the again this is what I was told I just know that that's it >> what happened with your brother um your brother Ellie I know that was him a whole story >> yeah it was a very my brother all Shalom. He wasn't seder but uh somehow he arranged that in the evening once or twice a week he could go and he missed a couple >> where >> to a place of nginina where he went I don't know >> like to learn nginina notes and this kind of thing not anywhere else and apparently there were some I don't want to mention the names that this I know and because I was very upset about it and I was ready to miss I was a wild boy a little wild in certain good things anyway so and a meeting that they I don't know whether every week or once a month the hollow went the and it was suggested from >> throw him out. >> Yeah, means to throw him out from the at that point. The Reb turned around. It became to them a a shock. Instead, >> he wants to know if you ask him whether whether ask him whether he has guilt and he needs money or not. That was it. Now later on the rebal >> but the pay for it himself. No. >> Huh? >> The didn't pay it himself. >> No. No hospital. >> He wouldn't take it. >> So the Listen mind >> I [snorts] did confirm it you know with whom with label growner >> I asked him and he said that the reb once referred to him and he said mind >> he did and he all >> because of this >> yeah and all the things they always originally nobody was around besides Tishvski And the he played for every most of the time for the rallies which became lateral. Apparently he had different the to us that every Indian in Gashm has to be in penetrating at and take from that then again I met a man as of today that he said that he can't get over how Ellie Lipka taught me music. I still sing and I'm still enjoying in a day school I think in Queens somewhere. >> I was in his choir. >> Oh, you too? Okay. >> It was an interesting story. >> Yeah. Again, the feels every a in his which we are all re bal a head feels even a toenail and if a toenail hurts the head feels it was we have to be connected We are a little bit separated. How do we connect to try to listen? It's important to learn. It's important to to learn a person but to them. That's the only way. um certain things times of the year when you're in 770 when you're I mean that that stick out in your mind. I I imagine you were there when the Reb taught in the Yes. All of them from utiml. I think it's been >> it was and huh >> and Keanu. >> There's two. >> You're the second Keanu. Yeah. Okay. The other was even before I came. >> So what could you tell me about the when the taught in the gun? >> I remember the fact that the reb came down with a small bottle of mashka. This was early morning sim I would say. Yeah. Early morning simaster. And he used to b on a card a castle from milk a box of milk and it stood on it. >> You remember that? >> Sure. At the first training I remember on that >> on the on the >> even even the sham sneaking. I remember on this sh was an >> I remember. >> Anybody have the the >> maybe we could check it out quickly by >> Yeah. Would we check it out? Please check it out. Anybody has the >> You need to know now. >> Yeah, why not? Because it's important for me. I could um >> We could find out. It's very simple. >> Please. And if I make a mistake, uh we can correct it. All right. The first I thought it was I don't know why was it in No. I'm not sure you >> I'm not sure. No, maybe >> I have the whole list right here. >> Um, which year you want? Which year did you ask? Which year did you ask? First of all, first of all, I said yeah behind [singing] my goal. [singing] Marcoise [singing] shi what I want to tell you is that he used to come down with a bottle mashk a small bottle and stood on a card of milk which it wasn't too high and it was a shalash at that time it wasn't the 770 that you could see now it was a little cover from steel duk that was there and um he said anyone who will undertake to learn he could get he will get and there were a lot of things that that he said to some people and this was the almost every year like this now in the later bim on top of the uh be I remember something outstanding besides Shamil N which we everybody was wondering how the Rebe was able to go so high [singing] [groaning] how it was going but I don't know why but something struck to me I had a little shaky in it this way I remember very by the way my brother was always close for the last couple nonunim. He was called upstairs. and he started to singing it. Me was stood all around and I heard animal but apparently it was some they couldn't repeat it so good. >> Huh? >> How did it work? Did that saying the whole niggan and then asked >> and then then he said it again. Then he asked for them to carpenters. >> Mhm. And by the way on every need that you taught that early morning in middle fang of the night which is the before ends >> the next day. >> Yeah it's it's it's that day this is early morning >> the rabbi used to sing that n again. Anyway, we were listening to that. Then all of a sudden, the rever says, "Prime And nobody know what I never do that. I will not forget. I flew up like a airplane. I don't know how I did it. And I stood right there. And I love that song. Oh. [snorts] May. Oh, amen. The mechan They are me. Oh, so propag Bernard. the mechan So they are interesting enough is Something that again talk to me like today as mentioned before that the niggan that he thought early morning he was start by the fab again and at that nan he started to sing again and At the ended at the second mo it came like this. He picked up his hands and he said, "I give out this man." And second, the same thing again. what it meant basic. There were a lot of speculations that it means him, he means them. But we have to know that means usb from us. forec that we see it in more practicality. you had um a famous story that happened with you that we that a lot of us grew up on, but I didn't know till a few years ago that it was with you with the villain. >> But no, every knew that it was with me. >> I didn't know. I was with uncle. This was in Topshin of B. I was with uncle Nakam Krant who became later on my mutin yosi. My son is a byland. We came from a big big big trip of >> you spoke English then >> a little bit. >> I think the way it worked was that one person spoke English. It was good. in English, but I I did my job anyway. I tried to do my job. >> That's a true thing that they would they would make one baka that spoke English and one didn't. Someone else. >> Yeah. Something >> I think he got mixed up. He would always get mixed up. And they say that Yale got mixed up between the word money and morning. Instead of saying good morning, you said good money. But Ra Abrams Yas Abrams told me he went with >> good and good in English. >> Yeah. So he went with Friedman, he told me. >> Oh, that's true. >> Yeah. Anyway, uh we came from and we came It was I was tired. The Reb used to have three times that week. Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday. It was Thursday night that we came and um I we came in I came together with him in 770 and he apparently went somewhere and I went in the sheni where know the small in upst >> and I truly collapsed. Mom, I was so tired because we not like now drove with planes and essence. I know that I lost at six or seven pounds for this couple of weeks, but with a little mat with a little ketchup and I had my heartburn anyway and somehow somebody is tapping me. I said to myself, I hope nobody bothers me and if he'll bother me again, I'll give him a masiad. You know what a matniad means. [clears throat] Two, three minutes later again I made a lesson and again I said okay let me at the third time I just turned there is a famous statement that you know what it means when a person is really really really drunk when you have fear you have respect for somebody all of a sudden become sober we know that at least by as in those days and if he does it Milo and he was such a interesting person at certain times. Oh man. I said sure. I was the happiest man. I was three or four brim in the other place all st I washed my hand and he said it was 2 2:30 in the morning probably and he said my address I'll give you address take this film and go to this and this place and two film and you can say that. So I said sure and they gave me how to go downstairs train Brooklyn Bridge to Long Beach. Frier with Xish with X. I went to the Mik to [clears throat] the Mikvet. It was a crater mikvah at that point and he told me make sure that you don't come before 6 but no later than six. uh and make sure again to take the film with you and say that you are you were sent by the lab to put on film with him. So I said sure I was the happiest man. I in order to not to we delay. So right where I went to the mikway to the crust mik which was across 770 right by the corner of Brooklyn instrument parkway across the street >> 7-Eleven. >> Yeah. But across from the rebi used to go to the mikquad there. And I came back and about 5:00 4:30 I already was there. A4 to 6 I was hanging around in front of that place back and forth back and forth. And as it came 6:00 as I knocked at the door, a man was standing by the door apparently because he was holding his ataché bag. He opened the door and he said, I forgot to say, he said, you'll meet a a man, Mr. Shelder, Louis Shelder, and say that this is the film that the Reb send that you should put on with him film. So when he opened the door, I said, "Are you Lu Shelder?" So he said, "Yes." And I said that sent me to put Oh, come in again. I want to stop right there. 6:00 I went in. I remember like today it was a young maid running around there. She must have been five or six years. They put on film from nothing. Mom is gorge. And as I put on film with him, so he said and I said to him that the Reb said that you should keep it and try to put on film. Can I pay you something? I said, "What? Can I uh give you something?" had a big bar, bottle of wine. I didn't want to take it. Go said, "No." Then he had all kinds of vodka. Can I give you some? I said, "Yeah." And I [clears throat] said, "I I I motioned on the smeirnov." And he gave me one. And then he asked me, "Where are you going?" So I said, "I'm going to Crown Heights." Said, "Where are you going? I asked him back. So I said, "Yeah, I'm going to Manhattan, but we could till Manhattan we could be together and then I'll tell you what train to take back to Kronite." As we went on the train, he said, >> "Have a question. The bottle of Mashka was for you or to give it to the Reb?" >> He he asked me. I didn't say anything. Okay. No, you was in mine. Mhm. >> I I wouldn't take it for myself. I said I'll take a bottle of mash. that they'll take he said I was last night acquaintant with him and private Rabbi Nissan Mandel with my neighbor who also lives in Long Beach talked me in some to go to him and we I was there close to an hour or more and in the middle he's asking me are you put would Uh, are you putting on film? So he said he didn't even know. Do you have film? I said no. Would you put it on? I don't know how. And he didn't ask me those questions directly >> consecutively like >> one after the other. But we were talking about something else. Then he asked me what time I'm coming to home, what time I'm leaving the home. Uh what's my type of a job? Then he said again, if you would have fil again he said but I don't know how. And he continued with something else. Then again he said if you have somebody who would put it down with you would would you come would you put it down? I said yeah sure and here you are. >> He did not pressure me but somehow he found out what time I'm leaving but he what he made sure that I will put on film and I just came up a few hours ago. This was the story as I came back. It's already my u and I gave over the battle mash to rabakov Louis Shelder and I gave him the whole report. As I came about 11 11:30 Rabacob called me and I said but I got scared. So I said so the Reb asked whether I was by the way the Reb at that time made sure that Friday should be a sedas. It was a time that Friday didn't have an exit but the Reb said a half hour later but 8:00 should be. So I answered this was the story so far. Shabb somehow called Zip and he called me up and gave me from that bottle of Mashk that bottle. >> Huh? From that bottle. So now you have the answer that I didn't take it for myself. >> So what do you learn from the story? >> Huh? >> From them as >> But what do you what do you learn from the whole story? >> From the whole story. from every area you could learn this story. When you speak to somebody, don't pressure him. Talk to him, but don't pressure him. And be smart. When you when people for good things, you don't ask payment. You can ask payment for good things but not what you did directly from in a in a way in a way that you accomplish somebody should do a mit because of that you should take money. You understand? Israel together. This is what I think. What do you learn from this story, young man? >> I think you said it best. >> Huh? >> I think you said it best. >> Well, I don't know what what else is there to say. >> Good. Interesting enough about 20ome years ago when I was in Philadelphia, I get a phone call. I don't know whether I told you about it once. I don't know whether I mentioned it to anybody. I get a phone call. I'm looking for Alipka. I called in Aritis Royo and I called in New York and they denied me. My name, my maiden name was Shelder. And I remember that Alipker came early morning to put on film with my father. Who are you the one? I said yes. You remember the little m? She said yes. And she told me that. And since then my father became a we changed our home and uh our home became and I am now in Jerusalem in my kinder and I don't mind to say it but her man did not know how it came about Mhm. >> And she always denied to to tell it to him. She's afraid. >> Wow. >> Okay. >> Later on, [snorts] the lady told this story and it was printed in Mishaka. Oh, by the way, he told me that I'm asking you, well, he called me rabbi. When I c when you come when when you get married, you should invite me. A little bit half a year, [clears throat] three quarters of a year later, I got married and I and I came to the wedding with Nathan Mindell and his wife. >> Beautiful. Where did you get married? In New York. >> In New York. Yeah. about my marriage. My mother came, my father got sick. He was sick and she asked that the reb should be two years is not. So the reb and apparently the rabbit thought that my mother thinks she will he that he will really be. So he stopped and said He worth is what he said to my mother. >> You're worthy. >> He's worthy. By the way, this story told me my brother Ellie. He was he went in with her. >> Oh, you weren't there. >> I wasn't there. is worthy of a he said everyone wants that the wishes should be from the entire heart to the if they will see his and friends then the other one I don't know whether will be in a true way. This was the answer. But equal that's what he said. >> So you got married in in in New York in >> New York. No, not in chron. You went from there to to Williamsburg where all the went was Williamsburg. >> Yeah. But >> you you um you had a connection with Rabbi when you were >> uh my mother went into her when she came. >> She knew her from before. >> Yes. I don't know. I don't think so. >> Mhm. [clears throat] Okay. So you got married and after your marriage >> I was one of the three four that the k started >> the first year of the k. Yeah, it was Yosel Dich myself and so that was that was the whole cao. >> Yeah. And then in the afternoon and bransky and then they started the coil little by little. >> So where was the ko? >> Where was the ko? upstairs where the D where the Viber is >> and the Reb also gave you the job, right? >> Yes. And this is to make orders of the liqu of the children. And I had a job to bring to bring the uh March for all the forim. I had to bring into the the mic and that was that every week one of the ka collected from everyone the Marameus and Saturday night we brought it in to the rabbi. Nas one brought in all the >> every week another one of you bring it to death. >> I happen to be the three four times. I remember in one of the times you know the I personal things and I gave the stohow. So he gave him a turn. You can see I and I asked him and he answered me >> personal matter. >> Yeah. >> So how did the in Philadelphia happen? >> Oh, as the year ended, I had a couple in those days. >> One second. You knew you're going to go on? For sure, >> huh? Huh? You knew for sure that you're going to go on? >> That I will go on. I wanted to. >> That's what I'm asking. >> Whether I wanted >> You knew. You knew for sure you wanted to go on. >> What do you mean? I don't know whether I will become or not, but I wanted and I was suggested four things in those days already. It was suggested and we used to bring it to the Reb. >> What year did you get married? >> What year is this? >> Mhm. >> I came in. When did I come in? Before I was suggested Queens I was suggested Sweden Sweden. I was suggested what was the third one. The fourth one was Philadelphia. So the rebar rooming Philadelphia was it officially I came there as a tournament also in the afternoon when I came I did all kinds of and um later on at the when I came. It's interesting. The first that I came with my wife from Philadelphia and at that time the Reb turned around to me. As I went in, they gave the turtle. No, in Philadelphia. I didn't know what he meant. I'm standing like so again I thought maybe means me and I didn't know >> it what I thought I I don't know what it means. Noises was the chief rabbi and he wrote in the yellow booker the chief judge or the pasil >> dian >> dian how do you say in English basically >> okay >> and I didn't enter time at bait good >> see th those two Yeah, everybody had their own opinion by Adam [clears throat] and the Reb told me I didn't mut and I took this as a for my life that I'm taking his side or his side. I have I am above both of them. It's not my >> Yeah. in Mesh Philadelphia. The Rabbi suggested me that I should make sure that in at that time when I came it was Mlak on Eng. >> Yeah. >> They were teaching [snorts] in the same great And they separated in the fifth grade. >> I should be separate >> separate and I worked in I must say that Rabbi all of us helped me a lot in that >> he was the principal. >> He wasn't the principal he was the the director of sh the guild and got >> Mhm. This was the first thing that I break through and it was very hard but we did it. >> And then later you started doing things for Israelis right? uh am while I was teaching I was also doing in the afternoon all kinds of uh pool was there and I I was in the afternoon Eden against I only teaching till 3:00 and I used to come till very late later on I also took a little job and the kinder start to come from parnos so I also O taught in a uh a high [clears throat] school. It's called the high school in the synagogues. A conservative synagogue. Conservative synagogue. The school is separate from the mention that I broke brought from those uh high school boys to the Reb ones and the Rebi knew about it. And right after this, I got a phone call from the Rebate. Some of them became two of one of them I think is also but yeah one of them is >> from all from that. Yeah. Oh, they came >> I have no choice but >> yeah doctor then familia medin gold blood >> it's You brought people a lot to the to dollars later. >> A lot to the dollars every other day. >> Every other Sunday. >> So, could you tell me some things from the dollars? The dollar says that he came with his wife and he's already eight years after the wedding. They have no children. I took him several times him separate. He went between the men and the his wife went between the ladies and they asked the Reb for kids. As they asked the Reb for kids to each and every one of them as amen. And they went through already so many times since they garnished. So once I decided to talk to them, I said to them, "Mommy and mazal way. You know what? Come to the [clears throat] Reb and say Reb, I will become I want to invest something." Tell him that you will observe. I'm sure then the bre the blessing will have more place where it should uh so to speak fall on like if you want to sew and plant you have to have a earth and then you have to fertilize it and then you have to have rain but first you have to sew something. Say that you want say that you are going to observe for sitting and sitting and and basically [clears throat] they both of them are from not very fryish basically they they know what it is but they didn't so they decided between after a couple weeks their discussion they decided they will do it I made asked a label that he should let me go with both of them together. And I went through with them together. And I said, Okay, this was in the beginning of toon base. Then it came in non dollar. It came it came Gimmel Thomas. My wife called me while I was in center city. I was driving. She said to me, "A call from Mazal." I received a call from Aal and she said apparently nothing happened. It's more than two years since the blessing and why should I but myself he said all right so I wouldn't observe something I got so upset I said call her back and say that God forbid you should do it you have a I am ready to go with you let's go to the oil it wasn't to the oil yet it was m So he said no we'll go ourselves and say to the better should give that you want children and you promise that you will do she went a year later she had a child now she has two children one of them got married already >> beautiful yeah I I I myself like Somebody said to me if I lama we it happens by somebody else but not >> ended up it doesn't happen. >> So I said but it happened also God knows what could have been without it. >> Oh exactly >> prior to that the reb started giving dollars the end of >> Yes. But this was the talk label growner group mentioned from Philadelphia. I don't know why there was Philadelphia. >> The told you that you should explain them what Philadelphia is. Philadelphia is I know that Philadelphia means city of brotherly love like Dr. knew and says the same word over Philadelphia is Philadelphia. No, I turned around and the Reb says that Philadelphia means the love of wisdom and the greatest wisdom is By the way, whenever I went by, he always gave me an extra dollar. Sometimes he used to say for Philadelphia, sometimes for gun Philadelphia. The last order is the last dollar that I have from Phil. The last gave dollars that night and he gave him Philadelphia in my mind. That's the letter. This is the dollar. >> This is for Philadelphia. >> Philadelphia, >> huh? douches for Philadelphia. So you were finishing the story. Did they ever give you another dollar? >> So I repeated to them and I went away. >> Yeah, >> that's it. And gave me another dollar. >> That's the end of the story. >> Yeah, that's the end of the story. >> And for you you >> two months later again. Philadelphia manu >> again this happened >> said to me was Philadelphia man >> but you didn't know this >> but there is a little addition to this story >> and at 11:00 I get a phone call from labeler Fore from fia and fia is from philosophia in Latin >> in Latin. In other words, only girl from Philadelphia. >> Mhm. >> Oh, so that's the name of the wrote it >> to that city >> to to the love of >> Yep. It wasn't so poet but I tried my best. I'm sure it could have been better but it's better than I think I'm still now having shurim as of today somebody called me while I was in >> yeah yeah I'm aid that I'm sitting here and you got a phone call from so let me ask you to finish off our conversation what's uh >> we're finishing off conversation >> I don't do you want to add >> no no what what what do you want to >> I want to ask you uh the tailers from Kotisi from from Germany from is coming from the from the >> what's the message for today? Uh scope in hunt film. Let us hasten it was too high. that will hasten the coming of Mashiach. And yet as as the Reb says that you cannot just say that doesn't mean that art belongs to me. [clears throat] You have to do it too. >> Yeah, that was something else. I give up. I get few things in my Amen. Much better. >> Exactly. >> Good. All right. 100%. Okay. Okay. Exactly. Amen.