Ep. 40: My Zaidy, Reb Dovid Raskin with Rabbi Bentzion Pearson

a grandfather right away told label what happened the label growner and label told him to um write to the rebba right away all the details and he'll bring it in as soon as he can and he wrote to he wrote to very very hard to get the pun that the doctors are not giving her much help told me that mis wrote to the his pan that he's giving her over as a daughter to the reba I'm yasi Amen. Welcome to among an ongoing faban about life as our vibrant connection with the rebba and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. How are you? >> Thank you very much for taking the time out of your very busy schedule to be here. >> It's my honor and my pleasure to uh sit here today with you. Okay. and um in general you've been very helpful to the over the years first of all contributing doing interviews for and also the topic that I want to discuss with you is about and many many times the has published documents pictures from the from the Rasin family archive from so that's also a very big contribution that you have had in the >> Yes. Um it's a big to be able to uh share all that information with you. Um firstly I want to take this opportunity to publicly thank you for all the work you do for Labavich. The dear is a household name in every me in every lab house. And um I understand what it takes to get something published. And um the fact that you get this going out every month for about 15 years now is very very impressive. Um I happen to have every single de hair from kissive ten if I'm not mistaken >> until and um yeah it's a it's a real treasure. >> Okay Benji >> um so about the um about my grandfather. So it's interesting I actually didn't know him that well uh growing up. Um he got sick um a few years after Griml Thomas um when I was a kid and um I mean I only got to know him after he passed away. It's interesting um looking through his archives speaking to people firstly the week of Shiva that's how it really started. Um but uh growing up my memories of him were more or less um him always asking to to say the Yubis basukim whenever he would call the house would always uh pass the phone around. everyone had the opportunity to say the to him and um as well as Pes I remember one year Pak him talking about when um he was his parents came I couldn't understand much because the language barrier and I was young but um you know I was too young to fully appreciate uh who he was um yeah >> and you're saying that after he passed away and you really started delving into both the the archive that he left and also talking to which I know that you you have a knack for speaking to people that are many many years your senior and you know you know you know you know their language so uh you learned a lot about him from that. Um yeah, the um the interesting thing is um from I would say from when he from when I was a kid I would always get the whenever I would say say my name I'd always get the response was an I never understood what that meant for me was I never got the I never und understood what the reaction was. I thought maybe everyone gets that. It's the way how you you know communicate with a kid to uh kind of praise his grandfather. But um only once I grew up I started really appreciating on um what people meant but like who who this man was you know um yeah so I want to focus on that a little bit. So you you are right that I mean there's something about that everyone every person in that knows what's going on really talks about him with a certain level of respect and like he he takes up a very very prominent role in Dashvi. So before we get into the details of you know I guess the history of you know where he came from and like what what is that what what is the if if you had to put it in one or two paragraphs what is it about David that makes him such a central figure >> firstly whenever I would approach someone about um I'm working on this book as you mentioned >> I don't think I don't think we me I mentioned the book >> oh maybe before the podcast >> so you you were working for the last few years all of the archives and everything that you had the end result is going to be as beautiful book about called the David and you actually printed a few um tatisen a few excerpts of of the future book that people have really really enjoyed so far. >> Yeah. So um when I would approach people for an interview, it's funny. I would get a um a variety of responses. Some people would say a book in Abd like how's that how's a sh put that person a larger than life personality in a book. How can you confine him in a book? And um other people would say he didn't have any other life besides others would say. So that that was everyone had different responses or a funny interesting episode and when they were B7 or they got involved with the interesting thing is virtually almost every single Ber and Lababich went through his interacted with him at one point or another um throughout their Baka years even you know uh the first years of living in Crown Heights just because the role that he the central role that he played in the mist um everyone one I mean I won't say can't say everyone but almost anyone that I approached had a memory or a interesting story to say about him >> right >> which was uh >> he had he had multiple roles and he's also part of I'm saying there's many roles of many hats yeah >> that's the famous joke right that there was a meeting of and maybe another organization And there's only one person there that have done it. Okay. So let's let's um >> I actually heard from someone once that he went there organized a mitzvah of a tank parade this. So um because of the two roles that Mada played he responded to him >> what was the question if you can arrange a mitzvah tank parade for which the pager was. So they answered him um um this it's not a problem but how he would use those two roles and one you know that was it's interesting >> they say a story by isn't there sort of about it that had a sim in his family and he called maybe it was I don't know exactly what it was maybe it was a and he called to give the answer from that answered you know for let's say for the he hung up the phone and he picked up the phone again and as a father and said maz you know two two different roles yeah these were the these were the people >> yeah okay so so let's talk about let's get into a little bit of David where he comes from, where he's born, and obviously who his parents and zedas were. And then uh we'll we'll do it like that. >> So he was born on yud's niss tine. It's April 1927 in Babroskus. His parents were his mother's name was Dreza and her maiden name was Kaplan. She was a daughter of the Reandal Kaplan. He was known as Reando deassid. There are many interesting stories about him. Actually deer printed an article uh about him which um I think Mandy Greenberg prepared and um I was to um assist him with uh with that article. But um yeah, he was a legendary. There's um we can talk about him later, but that's on one um that's on his mother's side. Then the other side um his other ZA was my namesake. Um and he was known as Rascin. Um both sides they go the lineage goes all the way back um I don't know so much about the captain but definitely the rascan side um goes back all the way to the times of the magent actually >> but the first rascan is um bear that was his name and he was born a few years after the magalus >> he was a >> he was Yeah, I'm not sure if the yet was kofa. Um I think he lived in Gork or so, but uh yeah, both sides. Um his father was especially for once he spoke about him that there's a yid that lives not far from Moscow um he wakes up every morning I think maybe he said 4:00 a.m. So and he says tell him with bitter tears what causes these these tears is that he asked the there's his children and grow up to be um in those times communism etc. It was a very big challenge to have all your children go in the you know and um to have to have that um that you know it should help that it should be that way and see that all of his children on they were all um Yeah, we still see the pers today. So that's that's Ben Sharaskin. There are many interesting stories about him as well. Uh you had it here a few weeks ago. He's a cousin. He's a relative of ours and um he said some stories um about I think he spoke about Bensha a little bit but um remember he one time when one of my interviews with him he mentioned to me Jacobson um once told him once told that he remembers Benaskin once in a train station and didn't dab him yet and he was like hesitating if he should uh take out this film now maybe it's a Sakono you know going and you started wrestling. So eventually he had he had like you have to maybe you've seen a picture of him. He had these balding eyes and and like a very intense like look of aid. He said like right now stop what you're doing and put until now. don't maybe it was close to the whatever it was but he said that had in him like don't be a spoil from your you know the surroundings here put on now and uh as I put on house and film whatever it was and don't be a spo and um yeah remember Sarasan a relative Krab told me that she's also an she married her first cousin Isa's brother Mendel Kraabad she said one Friday night She came home this lrad event she came back from Kabala Shabas and she was she was a kid maybe four or five years old playing with some toys. So he said, "Uh, good chabas." Gachabus, good chabas. And she was, she's like, I told him, "Gab." And she got back to what she was doing before. So like he got up in her face and said, "A chabas." He he wanted her to say a chabas with with he wanted that that relation to be in her you know in her consciousness that it's not but today's chabas kadesh you know we mark it and it's and he wanted a great mish that his kids shouldn't go to shouldn't go to the communist school system then they actually move to cities it's a whole um in order to escape that and uh to make sure ensure that his but but this was the background that Misa grew up on this was the um the uh you know life circumstances and his you know his roots but um was born at Pine Niss and Pine so you need to remember this is uh it's just a few months before the fab's arrest on Tes Um and um during that time in general were really being persecuted and uh the viaexia was really uh going down on them and u you know >> how they um the immish took him out one night for you know to give on whatever and they beat um broke his glasses. They they really beat him. They tortured him and the the family had no idea where he was. Um they didn't know if he was still alive or if they took him somewhere. They end up bringing him back the next day. They just brought him in for um you know to give them information. But it was it was very very tough times. Um yeah so everything was maf's bar mitzvah was in 1940 in lengrad and that my uh uncle's bar mitzvah in talam gimmel 1973 I heard on a recording of him talking there and he says my breitzvah was in lengrad in tshin and is I think in the house of his um aunt masara misara the famous mumasara was my um ela sister And um it was such a massive then he says we couldn't know where where we'll be the next day. So they were constantly on the run and um Ellien the family escaped Lengrad in the summer of Topshin Alf 1941 when Germany was invading Russia and um before they bombed the last tracks out of Russia the Rascan family um >> out of Russia out of out of Russia proper. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. the Rascan family. Um Barashem managed to escape and um the last train. So this is and then from there just you know we can in each section we can talk hours about but um on each period but um they they made it to Amata in Kazakhstan on his toughen bays and um they were there for the next uh two years or so. Most of the weren't in Alan. >> Yeah, it's actually interesting point you bring up. Um, a lot of I think went to end up going to Sabre or um >> Tashkant from that point. Um there probably was cities in between of course but writes in his which I'm sure we'll get to soon that like it says by the sent him to be his brothers and that's why was sent to that's where tells his brothers and I used you didn't send me sent me to and he writes that to um The greatus he had him and his family had to be mashed the parents. >> Okay. So they came before they came to al- Mat before the Reb's father came two years before. Yeah. >> Two years before. So they so when the Reb's father came they were already um like they knew the territory. >> Yeah. The reb only came after right's parents only lived from after >> basically after his sentence was finished >> in Chile then after the sentence was finished then he moved to Mata then that was said Pesal >> that's when they arrived yeah >> so from >> he was already involved in in part of the team bringing him from Chile to where lived but um but yeah but he was um he already had Yakas actually The first time he metic I think um >> yeah was inifason in tish this is 1917 or so he actually wrote the he had a beautiful you have to see some of his umim he has a every letter is like an art anyway so asked him to write the minutes of the meeting of rabanim and um the minutes or abs suck that uh whatever it was maybe the particle whatever it was that um that was discussed then and uh yeah I think either maybe maybe he copied over to so more people there was no copy mission then obviously so maybe he copied over the whatever it is it's in the it's in the but the point that was the first encounter that he had with him first interaction and then afterwards um yeah I mean in tandal of course him and his sons and his daughter had a greatus to um be there with to serve him him and his was um treasured very much and um there's a lot more to talk about and once they came to America >> one of my few memories of I mean I had many I had many memories of your grandfather but the problem is that he was physically not well when I was old enough to remember with him. I mean, I saw him every Shabas, but he wasn't in his prime. >> One of the things I do remember is him talking in 770 on stories of the Reb's father. That's one thing I do remember. >> Um, what's the story with the the Schaer of the Reb's father that has to do with your grandfather? So when his family was uh living on Mata, this was um late Tav Shindalid or soalled um I think he was going to Moscow then he had to get out because they wanted information about the father authorities etc. Um anyways >> a after the histo after the so theus itself was a to find the the for the forb's father >> in the cemetery. So the whole the whole thing in Matan that was arranged by your by your granddad or there um there were few Anash living there then but he was the um he was the he writes in to find he made he had an arrangement with to block off the um the plots around where would be and um to make sure that would take place. Were you were you ever there amat? No, but it was ascribed to me that it's like the middle of >> I was I was to be there uh twice and um it's I mean it's literally there's no other words to describe seeing the where he is like deep in a in a you know cemetery and this one part blocked off where there's a nash and then later they built a for him but um you know we see in that I was talking about that he passed away in galas until you go there you you fully you don't really understand what that means until like you see so um and yeah it's a big that he had I think he was with as well um so after that so as he was leaving as family was leaving um he asked that he doesn't know where he's going to be tish if we'll have aher And the Reb's father had a um black sheer I think that belonged to the Marash that he actually from his father and he asked if he could uh you know use it or have it whatever the arrangement was. So she was masked and then in tap uh and it's actually the letter printed inf of tiny the writes to him to if you can please send the shaer to him um through bar kasant who was coming then from New York um and um as some he would give him a handkerchief that belonged to the um vig uh there was some hesit itation on um end it's it's surprise item I mean you have to remember also he never met the and I think he was actually a year even older so you have to put things in context it's like obviously it's it's a son and it's it's the reb was before but there was hesitation and the fact that in the reb wrote to him that the um that the handkerchief is getting uh it's getting thinner and thinner because I don't either people were uh you know material from it. I don't know exactly what the uh the issue was then but yeah I actually have a little piece that kept himself saying that that was giving a time frame for it. >> Yeah I I I saw in a interview with my uncle from Morocco that how he's describing it you can see it on Jem. Um it's actually one of the first my encounters of uh of Jem is the interview. So he's mired there that um and clener that the that the material the napkin whatever it was was coming smaller and smaller and basically to with sending the and in that same letter he actually writes as well uh to send of his father that's tob asked two days earlier the day before to write to tell him of his father >> wrote this is in yeah he told him he's only 17 years old so he doesn't remember much but the should ask >> his father because he definitely remembers more so the following day the sent a letter asking to send him the um actually spoke in that uh various um told him that he remembered from his father >> and so ultimately your grandfather your great-grandfather sent the and the would one of one of the various would come down every year >> every year >> was that black >> when the didn't blow from it he brought it down just to have it on the beam >> okay >> in that same letter actually the last paragraph it's a beautiful letter the last the reb writes I would like to take this opportunity to express to you the great that I have may >> from the conduct of your son and may all the of the beam and him and the rest of your children in its entirety but it's a it was a very powerful bra and it's it shows him you know you have to remember they didn't know what the kid is up to you have to think about they're living there is the son is in Brooklyn to give a background me left uh departed from the family you want to get into that now >> I just want to ask you one question before that what is the what was your grandfather's involvement with the dad of his father >> so during the time in he was to uh put him to film with him to help him with film he writes they wrote wrote to the that he was very madic that the the cashier of the should be like Mish on the uh >> he was very he was unwell then so help yeah >> um >> they spent time together each each son I think had another um shift that they would uh spend time with him it's famous story mandarin my great uncle from had a famous story on tishab when um believe held him for extended period of time and real later he realized that the reason was um because they came looking for him the authorities came to look to draft him for the war and they understood only afterwards why kept him holding him um >> the fast already started and you know it's a it's a lot of details of that story and other stories from that uh period which Mr. will be in the book. Um >> so he helped him with film and that's that's what I remember your grandfather speaking about actually the film >> but yeah film was a big one >> and um in general just being there preparing tea whatever it was um which unfortunately they was very very unwell then he remembers him talking to constantly t was always uh his lips were always moving um I think at the end he was heard saying maybe writes about that how you would uh you know to himself but uh but yeah I mean it's a big hitter tremendous him and his siblings and his sister um and that relationship continued with Khan of course through throughout the years till her stalkers on >> and like you said throughout the years the Reb was very very cherished very much anybody that had anything to to I think the way the Reb said it people that helped inv yeah >> really really appreciated anybody that had anything to do with that um which is something that was discussed on the interview I did with Gerik. Um okay. So one year actually at maybe he mentioned this um the Reb called over by and asked um to ask if he was Mishamish's father uh I think anyway so uh went over to him over there on the left side and he asked he gave over the message. So he smiled. So um he said like is waiting for an answer. So like you know either me with his shoulders and he smiled. Anyways went back to the Reb said like no he said so like that's how uh that ended. But um but yeah every would tell him to um and if his brothers were there as well he sent to every year of his father went to figures he came in um and yeah there was like you can't you can't imagine gave the to and his sons to uh to share anything they could uh about his father's life. >> Yeah. Okay. So, so how did he leave Russia? >> Um >> he went with the Shalon and with everyone else like how that work? >> What year are you referring to? >> When they when he when he Yes. What's the continuation of his journey? >> So tough shenan he was in Samraand there his mashia was >> the family moved or he went to yeshiva. Yeah, you went to you know the family together. >> They moved to Okay. >> Yeah. Uh his mashia there was um were there as well. Um and there he um this is the first you have to remember this is the first time he was in in the yeshiva. He was on the run his entire life uh till that point. He's 18 at this point and this is the first time that he was really in yeshiva. Um, Tash by the time it was old enough for him to be in yeshiva, they're already running away from the Nazis. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, he didn't do the underground thing like in I mean he didn't say but not not in in Russia. >> Yeah. I forgot to mention earlier when the feed was leaving Russia on Isra so my name sent a letter to his all of his children it's called gazed ab like this is a letter you have to uh listen to he wanted all of his children to be by the fa there before he before he left Russia Yeah. So as he was leaving Bengrad, he told his um he he was running after the train with his children. I think Baker, his son um as the train was taking off, look at the smoke. Look at the smoke of the train. He was trying to get the last very last uh moments with the grab because they knew this was at they were going to see the grab again. uh I think it was a kid then I think the told him he was four years old that or something like we will see each other again and which we'll get to in a few moments >> did Abdavid see the child so it's interesting >> he's a little kid he's a baby >> was a halfyear-old he was born Nissan this is tish >> um him and all of his friends they you have to remember that I don't think this period in general is fully appreciated in the sense that there was a full generation never saw him. I mean, it's obviously very applicable to today's period in today's era after Thomas, but um it's it's it's remarkable to to think about that that Za and all of his that entire generation never saw until America. Mida just just saw the Fed a month before his which we'll get into soon. But uh if he would have if he was delayed a month, he wouldn't have ever seen the fed. >> It's it's a it's a very powerful uh you know lesson something to think about. >> Right. >> So he gets to he comes to America. >> One second. >> Yeah. >> He's in Samarand and then how does he leave? >> Um so he's in Samarand and then the family moves to Pink in Taf >> with the with the great escape. Okay. he goes to Zion or so he ends up in Paris by remissim and the yeshiva over there. Um and then he was there for three years or so and during that period I interviewed some of those uh his colleagues his classmates from that um that period and they all told me that they all of course want to see defeated that was their you know lifelong dream to to be united with defeated to see him for the first time. But um I I remember Shan Shanovitz was telling me we all wanted to see the but was the one pressing Gnisen and sending letters to remember Rashag was the one that had to officially give the uh send the letter to the American council and the visa. Yeah, it was complicated. Yeah, it's a very complicated process >> but Mid was on it and I have dasis you can see over here of Pan I mean that he sent to the grab. >> That's that's >> begging. Yeah, some of it it's in there. That's a gra >> this. No, this is something else. But um in that binder there upon him to grab him >> that u you know like you know um when a letter from the came to um wherever they were in parking or in bino it was like a big sim that there's a in Brooklyn New York 77 Eastern Parkway with They about the address 77 park. They didn't know what that was. They didn't know where it was if which planet it was but u they knew there on the other side of the world thinking about them and giving them and all that. So um yeah so then let's non-stop writing to writing to America about and then you see a letter in Icarus that um writes to the Nissen that there's a group of Bakim that can come to America and was on that list and um yeah his states he says come to shalom with repetit and was a very states was a ber going from France the first Russian bakar. >> Well, he went separately for it was a group that he went on his own. >> There was a group of Well, yeah, there was a basic I think he got his papers uh before the rest of the group that he that was supposed to be sent from Paris to um to New York. Um he got a letter from the fedb uh in advance that the should be and uh he writes his father afterwards that the boat ride from uh Paris to America was very stormy and uh they didn't know what would be. I mean the the captain uh warned passengers that you know of the worst god forbid and u he writes holding the letter of the gave me that security and calm that uh I'll make it there he arrived in America on um 1949 or 1950 probably was >> two months before >> yeah and >> and meanwhile his parents already went to Israel Yeah. Yeah. >> Before this >> his parents already went to >> and he stayed in Paris whatever >> him and his brother Shar got married there. Yeah. He got married there. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Um but my entire then was like the original David writes and tell him um that was his that was his only that was his only wish his only dream and that's how happened the next 60 years was um you know he was he was in um he was in 770 And yeah >> when he arrived he had wasn't there a thing with >> he asked about it remember such a story >> so he arrived as I mentioned he asked um then Simpson for he was granted um a few days later on actually he went to welcomed him and um asked him how his father was doing, how the family was, everything just you know more uh and then um and then asked gave him. So um after he went downstairs to the Reb and uh he was very mobile. He wasn't sure what to feed me. usually means like marriage. No. >> Yeah. He came to learn. He didn't understand. So the Reb called from upstairs and said he'll uh there's no reason for him to be >> who who called >> known as Yeah. >> He um he called upstairs and wanted he said there's a just arrived >> and um he wanted to know what the just told him. He has some you know he's little difficulty understanding what the was. So told him that there's no reason for him to be move. The rabbi told him that um he wanted to know how his father was doing and he doesn't necessarily mean work mean you know to be settled um >> settle in. >> Yeah. And was a young baka then he was already 23 years old. Mhm. >> born and um yeah um this was the first this in his first his first interaction with the Reb that he records in his in his im and his letter to his father afterwards. Um >> there was a story that the rest of the group came from from Paris from whatever from France. So on um onat a few weeks later the rest of the group arrived. The group was um >> sharunic and gdali. The group was five bakim. They arrived a little earlier but it was five boys and um they were known as you have to remember this was American Ishiva and you have these five uh Russian boys arriving. the Russians arrived >> which is the whole so how that worked out but um and it did work out it was a revolution that till today we the is because of that group that arrived then but um when they arrived um they asked for right away remember this is the first time seeing the gra in their lives besides who basically grew up in the grab's house because of his father so what happened was um the rebba them was um prepared them for. They had no idea what meant. They never went in. He said to put on a gartle under their jacket uh um they asked a few other things and um they went into they asked was in I think it was in Florida uh fundraising. It was a shad as well. So um Misha was a massacre for that when he brought them in. Um so they asked me for um for and they arrived on th let me go back again. So they arrived on and they wanted this is on Thursday and they wanted to go into right away. told him that's not the seder the say there is first we heard and then he go into that's the say of they told him respectfully that the is not saying anymore then a few this is literally the week of the of the so um they said the is not um is not saying at this point said he said it's not gaya um we hear if you don't hear the rebidis and uh those who hear or hear whatever the lion was >> and yeah and then you go into after that. So they talk about on Sunday which that was their tradition for years afterwards that was their like you know um told them then um you know welcome and um it should be well everything should go well and he told them today we see each other and from time to time um each one of you will go and um come in separately into Um told them then um wanted to know what their seda was everything like that Spanish before the told them that sorry um we have to learn we must but we have to learn as So they understood that to me and of course before dabing dabing and then nigla after ding um and yeah until that point I think then was only a half hour or so only started later maybe 8:30 to 9 and they introduced a whole new system in the yeshiv system um said there should be an hour there should be time for Spanish for dabing mik before the entire spill how it was in Paris and wasn't in the original and then there was a gustman. I don't know if you want to get into that now. >> And if if I recall correctly, there was a dilemma that your grandfather had if he's allowed to go to with the group because he already went before >> he had already but he has a he's part of this group. So he asked the Reb, right? >> He asked okay >> if he's allowed to if you can go in. He didn't. >> Okay. >> Didn't ask him told you're not going. He already went in a few weeks earlier but he this is was mid's nature that he didn't didn't take no for an answer. um you know action that he wants to go in. This is the part we were all sent together from Gabb to come here and we're part of one group I technically got the papers early but it's not we're all part you know and um grab acknowledge each one of them when they came into when it came to shalom grab like gave a little >> yeah was was the famous maser and then uh for each one uh theme from like there was a a beautiful between each uh between each bak and a very warm welcome. This is how it was uh for the first kufa or so and then the alkus came to the shock of everyone knew the the health condition of the grab but no one was expecting morning that shabas they went in Sunday night that shabas was I think it was 10 to 8 in the morning um this matire describes in his exactly what And it was a devastating shabas um learn about the the salus can't imagine the yeah feeling of the bakham then finally came to fba you have to put you know trying to imagine yourself in their shoes >> and all of a sudden this happens it's like >> few weeks later yeah big shake >> one of the integral components of being aid are the and Whether it's alfiss or gimot these days give us an opportunity to connect with ourim to connect with each other and be better. What is the story behind each of these days? How did the rabbi commemorate and celebrate these days? And most importantly, what are the lessons, the takeaways, and the action items needed for each of these days? 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Um so from the moment of um um the brim u instantly attach instantly attached themselves to the to the there was a there was an automatic um attraction between the bakim to the especially the Russian bakim um which is a fascinating fact for its own um and >> oh so showed up that's another element >> show up I think two weeks later >> yeah right right after this Oh yeah, after the sh even. So this is um so already during the leva I know my my grandfather was uh little involved over there with the u the morning of I think he was sent uh to help prepare the the caver um during the week of Shiva. you know the him and his friends made sure to be there at all the minimum and to hear all the would say after each uh after each day of which later printed into >> the stories >> stories etc. Yeah. Um and then about uh about what was this was based me this just two two months after the Bed and his friend Korf um approached the Reb to Febank for the Bim on uh Reb. Um so the asked them why didn't they asked Jacobson so they told the uh they ready for the night before now they want the which was a strong >> yeah so um asked him a few questions for all the Russian for the There was a few questions. You can see how serious the Reba took them that he was actually um inquiring who the fang was for. Then the Reb took out a calendar from his u drawer from his desk drawer and um looked through it and said and sight ear would uh make a hold of >> Yeah. Marash >> for Yeah. is uh this but um but that was the f this is the first time the rebang on a weekday I think when he arrived to America he but at that point only but this would be the first time that the rebang on a uh on a weekday >> so as a breakthrough >> yeah um in general There was a lot of breakthroughs in that the friction also of course from the regular you know structure and standard how things were before but um was actually then of Gustman um who was actually a very talented mager enjoyed his children very much but he didn't grow up with the uh you know culture and you know for and Marik. >> Um, and basically this this new hanhaga didn't uh didn't fit well with him >> and he's in the the new Hanhuga of the Russian. >> Mhm. >> Um, yeah. And he didn't stick around for too much longer. Um, Rabbi Picarski later took him over and he stayed as shiv until his passing I think in Gimmel or so. But um but the bahim then created a revolution. No, there's no question about it. So Biss the was uh was very interesting that they got the Reb to be Masim and the Rebang B's ear then and in that uh the Reb really laid out the work in that ear the Reb really laid out the work for um what he expect from Bakim and what he expect from this young new generation that he was now molding to be his soldiers in the army that Reb envisioned to build. This is um this was you know literally day one from uh from you know everything that everyone wanted to create later on. Okay spoken about the concept of that that has to know the the invests in the has to repay that um those with his own and um the rabb spoke very strong about and learning with this was in the beginning of you know today in you have you know, thousands and thousands around the world. This was literally the building blocks of uh what would become the the whole concept of you know reaching out going out of your comfort zone and uh connecting Eden to the Reb then talks about what a is there was a a came to and he wanted to know what a wasb described him what the the concept of ab is and he was taking notes the told the in in the Fangan that they have a that that guy had a Reb on paper. >> That's not what a Reb is. Of course, uh something much deeper and much more personal. But um that was at Febang of Bir. And then um on base seven a month later um Maza had ais I think his first with um and then a followup was months later but um those in general from Ba's ear until um in those few months was addressing many of the then to the bir there was a uh very then about uh the say this of a of a of a ber and they say of and all that that was educating a generation of what is and um those few months really um molded my zen all of his for for the rest of their lives in a very um fundamental and uh personal way. So went on B. And the reb then spoke to him about um he asked then he clarified a few things from and he he told the rebba then that um there's some issues when it comes to think before dinging he always uh he has he he doesn't he was asking the for of how many times they think about a certain things the answered him on that then he then the told him something very powerful he he told the rabbi he complained that not complained he just as he said that he learned and it's not pale on him. So the Reba answered him that now it is as if you're walking with your eyes closed. Um this is uh in the that I'm reading now from the Reb adds in his >> he gave in the transcript of his >> so yeah actually after the of the second the mis went to the afterwards and the in The Reb told him basically um to make sure there's a copy of that um with the with the and um make another copy as well. I'll bring it in when the opportunity uh comes up. Unfortunately, stock has happened a few days later. But me I think learned from that from the then to um always um to send into a copy of the So on that >> so that um so wrote gave him tob and um he wrote to the then doesn't always feel that this is pale on him. So wrote to him that now it's as if uh you're walking blindly. Um then the Reb adds but the sun is shining meaning to say is you know sometimes we feel that we learn and we stay the same as we were before. Deb is basically telling him the the effect is happening um whe whether you're conscious of it or not >> the formula is working. Yeah, it's working you know and um yeah sometimes we have uh we feel it more than others the other times but MS is and it will eventually uh you know hit home. So this was B7. He went to again ones to uh discuss to follow up from that and to discuss things that were said in Fibbrangas in during that uh period. This this was his whole life basically just to carry out what the Reb spoke about by Fangians and this this was his guy for the next uh you know 60 plus years. his whole life really consisted of just um pua after pua of just carrying out the Reb's will um to the best of his capacity and u yeah >> so is there anything else from that year that you want to share in particular before I go to my next question >> ten um I mean there's so much there's it's a it's an entire at least 50 pages more probably even 100 pages in the book just about this. Um there's so many interactions with the Reb that everyone didn't know about certain people. How come he does he come to Makas? Does he's not did come to you know he would check in with him about the different people and different uh things that were happening updates um and then there was the that was established then. >> Okay. So my next question was the asus of your grandfather I believe started when he was a bak. >> So how did that how did that start? What was the first thing? And uh I guess that's the >> Yeah. So there was this uh committee of Bahim of course um called um they were responsible uh to send out yeshiva students from 770 to >> who established this committee the >> um himself >> the himself did it. So this is what you were talking about that is speaking about and you know teaching and others so the made the vad to implement that. Yeah. >> And your grandfather was >> So, um, my grandfather was part of it. Um, Pes Goldman and could be one of the Bumgartens. I'm not sure, but um, but yeah, I interviewed Reel about this um, extensively and he shared a lot of interesting uh, details about that. There was a there was spoke very strongly. He called them once more or not. I'm getting a rashima of those who uh they're kaf boys in zal and I'm only getting you know a very small percentage of that are actually going out on uh on shabas afternoons to >> so what were they doing they were they were going to show >> like and then also going to to others to teach >> both yeah they were going to Berlin um there were you remember you have to remember this also there was yeshivas in crown heights on president's street there was yeshivas they were the kaos or but yeah they would go to uh various yeshivas in Williamsburg and bar park and laride many many an families um I personally interviewed a few that were to labavich from these um from these bahim from these >> yeah I'm saying that's the story of everyone all these people they talk about >> um the bakim and the yuds that would come to their ishu that we just interviewed Rabbi Seroda and the magazine talks about Shiv coming to teach Tanya in university. So this is all part of this that was much later though. Yeah. >> But it's uh it's it's very important I think that Baham Chau that the revolution of Labavich really started from you know Bah undermined his his underestimate his and uh his capabilities. Everything ultimately um started from the bakim and their hashbah their sense of influence is tremendous >> right when the wanted to get it done >> that's how it was always every mitzvah every pull everything started from the bakim >> they were the um you know center nerve of labage but um they still are but in in regards to the vat um yeah was there was very on top of that. And then um um the Reb in his room for the Reb then was turning 50 um and uh the Reb wrote on Rishima um who was allowed to enter the room for the mimer about 20 people or so. So my za and were on the uh told me that noticed him like on the zero you can you please come in as well. >> Yeah. Um it wasn't clear for him if he was on he was under beforehand but um he was all the time but I guess it was a kov that um that he got then but yeah then that year it was actually that same day on the called in I actually have the original original right over here of that and the said before the leave for you PES break for the um I want um you to give over to them that they should use out the time to citizenships and I want to hear from I want to hear back from you what was done and uh etc etc on that uh on that subject. It was it was really was that was the k then anytime someone was going home from Montreal the the whole then or buffalo whatever it was stop in this show stop in the sh in in who in in upstate New York wherever it was um the always asked people to to stop in various to that means anything from the you remember there's no then only started in so >> well That's how the started looks. That's how >> brother was was involved with that. >> Yeah. >> And that's how the started to be the this project. >> They told a famous story. But um but yeah, that's how things really started. Uh so was a like you mentioned he was a really started and the first moments of when he um arrived in America. um he attached himself hard and soul to the Reb and the Reb's causes and um that was his um until his last breath. >> So when did he get married? >> He got married in on Zion Nissen Tany >> and the Reb was mad. The >> Reb was Msic. uh was actually the first kassa in uh at 77 that was the first the stopped um the before the stopped uh traveling to um to him. Yeah. >> And um was the very first to take place in Kits. It took place in the where with the kaos today in the fban building later it was called the fata building that s purchased but you see the roots already few years earlier um it's actually a year or so before tak was in the we got to soon but this is inalid um his was upstairs and the and on the way home um the instead of taking then lived on New York and Brooklyn in apartment building there 346 uh New York Avenue. So the rabbi took Kingston that night instead. Um and when he passed through the the forbound building that made with his hand to theatim of the all went to the window of course also and that was the um asp >> she said that um was there was she wasn't but that everyone didn't know how she came who she going back with this is only two blocks away from his union to the president block away. But the Reb wanted to know how his mother got there, how he was going how she's going to get back, which is something I didn't get to know to get yet about his relationship with Repan in America. >> Can you talk about that? >> Yes. So, Repana of course arrived uh in Tshin in Tshin Z um three years before Misa came. Uh but from when Mada came in and tiny, he started the reconnecting with the Rebbitson again. They of course knew each other from uh you know six years before that. >> Yeah. I'm talking >> but um the Reb told him he want he encouraged him encouraged him to visit her and but he told him not to mention the um period because it's going to be great nephish and that's one thing of course we know how careful there was in regards to his mother. He didn't want your grandpa to talk >> from that period about that about that period. The Reb never asked his mother what time the happened. It was it was suffic if it was um no the always marked from of course until that point but the never was never sure if it was oral. So he never how do we know this? Because when came on, he came for. So when he entered on the asked him um what time the stalkus was and was able to tell him basically the candle was still lighting it was um it was on um and um the thing that even told him that I never asked my mother because uh I didn't want to be such an important factor um so he would visit her pretty often And I heard from Krinsky that one time said that told his mother if she ever needs anything um she can always ask three people uh himself and um those were the three uh I'm see they were the three closest uh to the to the I'm saying any physical uh help assistance that she ever needed. The three were always and me was there uh pretty often. You visit her pretty often lay migill for her every year and uh she would host a fing I think twice a year on a few times also and uh was the one that would arrange that and um yeah many interesting uh encounters uh and interactions during those visits. interesting conversations. >> For example, >> um I know for example um she would write letters her and Yakab had a correspondence going on. Many of the letters were already printed and one of the letters that she wrote to Yakab was Ms. Ms. man, I see your two children uh Dove and Lee Z and his brother Label and Ka they're she she's very impressed from their aunt Huga and uh you know she she wants to update the uh father how their kids are doing and um when it came to uh Kitz they helped her then also that one time came in um while they were visiting her and they you know they hid either they hid in the closet or he you know just backed out of the house and went to give him the privacy and the said so u I think this when visited actually so >> so your grandfather was there with his father and says you have you have guests okay >> this was yeah um what else I There was a lot there was a lot of uh interesting um she wrote to to that was I think or so whenever it comes I think about those who were with us and that uh you know those times and just showered him with for him and his children. Um yeah, it was a great they had and um it's a that um you know we don't take lightly in the family. >> Mhm. Okay. So your grandparents got married and so he stayed in New York because did ever give him a position in the yeshiva like what happened then? So he was already working in the yes is yeshiva as mashk and learning with bakim um from I would already say from yiml or so maybe even earlier um not in official capacity as a hollow that was only later after the whole uh episode and tavis their episode might mention that hollow but um he was he was a younger man him they were Um they were helping out just you know with with the when it came to when it came to uh assisting learning making and all that. They were they were like the of the um yeah I mean this was um and then I think he asked the rebba later on before his before his after if he should continue and the encouraged him to continue his work in isha and um yeah at a a few month a year or so later that's when his work in sah began which took on a whole new chapter in his So talk about what is >> so on. >> Yeah. >> Youth organization. >> Correct. So on >> I remember once >> Mhm. >> we used to give out pamphlets. I don't know whatever Bab youth organization >> and we gave a woman some one of the one of the brochures and it had like an advertisement for like an event and like we told you you could come to the event. So she looks at it, she says, she reads Labavis youth organization. She says, "I wouldn't call myself exactly youth." >> But uh actually addresses that youth not only in in age but also in uh knowledge knowledge >> about something said a lot >> I think if I'm mistaken. Okay. So what happened started? So on um end of love at the end of the um end of the by saying there is a organization by the name of um and spoke about the work that they do spreading >> right Gansburg from um Toronto spoke about it when I interviewed him there was a which are the younger younger task them with various and I guess there was success and the Reb then spoke about we're going to do the same thing here in America >> interesting >> if I I'm paraphrasing my memory what he said something along those lines >> yeah so the Reb says in that uh they're doing the work that they do and that u said it's a that for some reason um it's not being done here yet. So he asked that it should be u that a me should be established here with the same name and not that it should just be another uh stationary letterhead you know but it actually should be an active organization with pulas um spreading um and um this is his organiz is a meeting. This was actually in the it was briifica down in eastern parkway. So that's where the meeting was just a historic fact. Um Gman was describing it to me. So a lot of uh you know the light that were that cared for the causes uh participate in this meeting. um who should serve, you know, as director, who should, you know, just um what, you know, how to split up the different various um tasks and um at that meeting, Rabi Goldman, Mr. Pis Gman who's passed away recently a year or so ago. He um he was chosen to be the mascar and um Mida was chosen to be the um manal just you know the person to get it running keep it running >> to that the original board of t was created then also and >> whoever a lot of people moved out Barl Bumgarten was extremely involved um the early stages of tak later moved to Argentina um was was a there was a lot of you have to see the documents of those meetings. Later on, it became more of a official VOD. But then it was whoever was willing to, you know, contribute time and um you know, effort into making this uh cause, you know, up and established. Um you know, everyone was more than welcome to join. There was no official uh VA or anything like that. That's everything started as a grassroots effort. you know, anyone that cared for, you know, the Reb's call and whatever it was that he expected from were um invited to participate and um it's very interesting actually a few people who wrote about I know for example Gansburg was a nef many years and was also on my grandfather. both of them um they both wrote to the Reb about uh potentially moving and said is here and the wives would get involved with um it's interesting was the first me I think that was and then in America I think was the first so um it's interesting rabbit sahana actually had a very very strong. She wanted to know what was going on the activities um who served as the first of he opened up the first office. So on the first day of his um appointment my grandfather took him to he already knew Rabbit before and his wife was very close with her. It's actually a cousin as well. Um she's a her her father Zama say their first cousins. So um Sakana wanted to uh was very u impressed about this and she wanted to know how you know she would want to be up uh updated all the activities and believe would bring her the reports and the and she would have a lot of that was I think that was her son that was me and other meases you know were of course running Marcus and uh Mahna and Kahus but Sak was the first mea himself established. Um >> right and that and became the vehicle for any I mean was being done through >> but any new initiative that theb over the years would launch the or or any of the you know the all of these things that were happening that were new they were all being launched under the banner of >> yeah already from um the First, one of the first big pool was the was called convention on where representatives um guests that were coming from around the world to spend with they would report about the in their um in the locations where they're from there and um from Australia all around America from Canada you know you name it And everyone would talk about what are they doing in the of uh of which was under the umbrella of um for the first the idea was the reb's idea actually to make a convention where people could report this is before the of course this is uh was the first one this is 1956 and the rabbi told uh goldman then that the reb that himself would really have to you know participate in this um convention you know he's sending his and for the rest of his life would address twice a year on B's year and on tok is the two events of and of course later on the kinus but throughout all the years that was the um you see the to was in the sh was 60 years of the then made a big was calledishim I think the himself named it when money came in in numbers of 60 the one time wrote sh the karan hashishim which was a huge huge breakthrough because they weren't sure how should be marked never forb and he wouldn't for another 10 years till so um I think led those efforts and still the idea came up >> the idea came up basically every would have where the community would come and everyone would pitch the ideas and how to continue their work and you know what uh what needs were u what what things you know what what was necessary um steps to take etc. Anyways, um when it came close to Yapness and so uh you know they were taking the steps very very slow how the would uh would react you know they were getting to uh to learn in mounts 60 60 minutes 60 hours um send in money in the month amounts of 60 and then uh finally um the letter arrived 770 addressed to um for this for this initiative and the wrote in and the was is you know the however was actually accepting their mat >> and because of the um yeah which was a big breakthrough Um and that was that was the early stages of uh of s and the pishas like you mentioned earlier that's started then 62 63 64 when college students one of the big uh initiatives was um sending to communities and campuses uh for shabbasim you need to remember then there were So, uh, you know, let's say you wanted to a place in, uh, in a community in Maryland or New Jersey, wherever it is, somewhere on the the east coast, um, who want to experience the Shabas or campus throughout anywhere throughout America who want to experience what Shabas is. So, Tak would either reach out to them or they would reach out to and they would send a couple there um, for uh, for Shabas, for Yamiff. I know uh Sean Bipsker Abel Harour and his wife would often participate on these um shabatones and a lot of people >> there's a lot of I mean that the whole pagisha started from that I think and >> yeah that's how they found university in >> right >> Gurak went to spabas there and they brought him back and I think he asked why don't we do this on a larger scale or something like that and you know Pikisha became what it was. Not just Pikisha for example these shops you have of sein and with thousands can hund thousands of uh >> so that was the beginning of on campus. This is the first time people groups are coming to New York and it was it was you know it was a huge breakthrough to connect with. So throughout this time your grandfather become since he's the manal he's the one writing to the getting and getting the answers and and from everything that is doing everything every would send out general letters to the um labavish community and uh every one of them um at least till Midlammed. I saw a letter in Zak um full of but um but I think even throughout throughout all the years but in the early stages every single letter that went out um it said on on the stationary the letterhead of so it was you know everything that went out was really um what was the money from then what was what was in thing to get involved with. They did it um very often before every Yam before every um or many to get an involved with with that it should be and I mean anything that was happening then I mean was a endeavor and all of every time the launched the mah right your grandfather's always getting the mus >> yeah so sak was the address to every time the rabb spoke about something out of s was the address to go to >> to implement it >> to implement it. Yeah. Um they would give resources they would >> so every time the launches something your grandfather goes to the gives them you know for the mashk for that it's always anything that >> sometimes yes it's interesting people told me that sometimes the would talk about a certain thing >> then like after the would turn to his left this place was the left for all the years and um it was like almost like an automatic uh you know think if you can say that cuz whatever I mean either he was the one that you know he really took you know the rebu's uh very seriously and that trusted him to uh to get it done and he had his unique way of of doing things you know um but at the end of the day this was very trusted and heard from a lot of people that um they didn't like the fact that you know his position of power and you know how he was the one that uh that that got to Zash. He was the one that was in charge of implementing the RBI's causes. But they told me that later on in life, I heard this from multiple people. they started appreciating who he was that you know everyone knows what it entails to um put together a program to publish something um to fund a race of something to get and he was willing to do that for every single pulb said so so how many people came to everyone who I mean it wasn't that you know no one was interested it just was this part of life this how the would always end Vida would take a bottle mashka and make a ring and that that night or the next night I organize everything in archives according to topics. There are many documents. I'm not even sure what topic is under today. I organized a according to the Reb's instruction to the Reb. >> Yeah. And uh this amount of people and I hope which organization is that he want to implement the Reb says. So he wrote in that he so this was his um this is was how he um operated everything his whole life just consisted on just you know this what this was his fuel this was his energy just whatever the wanted was his and what you're describing is like uh you maybe if it makes sense if it's a that has that you know enthusiasm that we can understand but He's a person that uh has responsibilities and he's married and I understand also that there was many hardships personal hardships that he had and a he was you know so again maybe you can talk about that a little bit. So another main reason why he's so respected um in my opinion um is because people who knew um him up and close his personal situation um knew that he his entire life literally his whole life was um he endured imaginable hardships, personal hardships. um a number of his uh family members um dealt with uh health issues which he was constantly um involved in dealing with doctor's appointments etc. Um and Deb was very very uh aware of it. He would update the de and everything. um one of his daughters who wasn't well passed away um uh a few years after he passed away. All the Baham knew who she was to show up to Zal and the Bakim told me that when she would make a fuss he wouldn't lose himself if he was talking to Bakr his place was always about the beimma and zal he would have his hands on top of the beimo or you know about sed about was always dealing with another matter we can talk about that soon how he dealt with and how he juggled juggle the two but Um but he excused himself from the bahim and dealt with it if this was an issue if something happened whatever it was and this is these are zas and al is telling me that they get older they got older and they're dealing with their own uh you know issues whatever it was it remains such a strong on them how level-headed he was in in dealing with these issues of not losing himself holding his composure in the sense that this this this is my life. I need to deal with this. He wasn't embarrassed. He wasn't ashamed. I mean, obviously, it was it was very uncomfortable for him to deal with these things, but especially in a public setting, but um but he didn't he dealt with it very maturely and very um and very fatherly, you know, and people recognized that and really really had a strong, >> right? And a number of his kids passed away during his lifetime. >> Yeah, he had six children. Uh, four of them uh four passed away, three in his lifetime. Um, and yeah, I mean it was it was you can just imagine what kind of uh what kind of life uh life that is in his public life on the side or not on the side but literally on the same uh you know same period. Um it's actually amazing to see how in the midst of big polls in lab I'm talking about when tanks were were taking off for the first time updating the about different um destinations were going how many tanks getting minus non-stop the same exact day he wrote he obviously he wrote dates on every letter so the same day he was also reporting about um how he was dealing with uh doctors and uh and uh appointments etc for his for family members And it just it it's it really hit me then of how amazing this this man is of that you know it wasn't like you know often a person is dealing with something his whole life is on pause can't deal with anything else you know this is >> the same day he was reporting about you know it wasn't a it was happening at the same time and it was a it's a very um was a very strong uh >> it's amazing I Um, you know, but I recall once having like for a few weeks I had to deal with something personally with one of my children, a health matter, but Hashem everything is okay. But I remember that during that small period, it's like your life is on pause. And and for me, that was my experience. And to hear I mean to hear about somebody that was able to carry that you know for life and yet what does the Reb write about that's what wrote he's all about like to juggle all of that is outstanding. Yeah. Did he ever speak about it to anyone? >> No. Um I mean I'm sure he had his he had his very closeman Gansburg. Um I don't mean like talking like >> no they knew they knew what what he was doing. >> Did he ever did he ever like in a way of when he was talking to people about how to conduct themselves speak about his own experience? There's one story I saw that they printed a um the family of printed a uh booklet of stories that he would say in the memories of him and uh they write there that he was once dealing with a certain issue. He was the cook in 1414 for many years um and for many years he um at a certain point he had enough of the work. he he was dealing with a certain issue there. Anyways, so he told Mea who was now that he's done um and find someone else to replace him. So they right there Maza took him out. This was Ma's office in 770 right down the hallway from the Reb's office. So he um he calls him out to the and tells him, "Cook my look at my eyes. is uh however you translate that um daft but you know we have to we have to do the work you know it's not going to it's not life's not easy it's not going to be a easy ride but you know he's described to him what his you know what his job the importance of his job and how he has to continue and he writes that that gave him tremendous to continue until until his last day mish was believe to the um physical needs of the the food he prepared all the meals >> ask but yes talked about the physical needs of the bak physical needs my was always very on top of getting the bakim the medical care that they needed um um and getting them the um doctor's appointments and making sure they get uh if they were sick in the dorm I know personally if you guys told me how he would deliver chicken soup to them um and how they're doing and you find out how they're doing and all that. And he he really cared for Bakim. He really really cared about. And another thing that people often describe to me is that he really knew how to read a bakr. He's not known for his scholarly uh accomplishments. That wasn't his he which one of the reasons why I think that wanted him to be a man. He knew how to read very well. He knew what it means not to be to harden yourself. He knew you know he knew what it means. what too. He knew how to delegate positions if it was something that Abak was needed for in a different department which was um another interesting trade that he had uh trade that he had was he knew who would be good for what and um since he was a man of many hats, he was able to use one guy from one Met to help with another. And because you worked with that, maybe you can now work with that. he was he was a center uh figure um of many of the organizations. So he was able to um to work it out that way, navigate the mist and uh you know a lot to talk about on that. Um and I'm going back to his personal hardships that you know ultimately also he himself um the last long period of his life you know he was very unwell Parkinson's like he suffered a lot tremendously you know you know himself personally not only with his family members. So yeah, um the summer of 1984, Tashal, he was diagnosed with um a type of on his skin on his foot. Um and um he had a number of uh operations to deal with that. Um it's a lot of a lot of dates and a lot of answers from that period. um every single um thing that the doctor told him, he asked them to and how do I know this? Because I have all these all these um papers. Dear dear Robish ner with the on the doctor's letterhead updating the reb with his condition came into the office today and then we're thinking about doing this procedure and this treatment. He wanted every single thing to be written to the Reb and he um of course brought it in right the first opportunity. Um a lot of lot of answers to which which doctor to use and and a lot of many said and he's worried about a upon him is whatever it is. there's no reason to be um >> he's worried about the >> he's worried about was let's talk what he was going through then and said there's no reason especially since it was already done and it was about um we're at was time there's no need to to look this way especially in chabas especially in such a such a holy time like now um and it was just a very powerful whole statement a few times throughout the years that after testified on his um character. >> Yeah. Can you can you mention some of them? The one I mentioned about medicine maybe talk about that. First thing that I can remember is um told me was and I think the rabbit was speaking there very beious about uh those who were asking him to beas. This is a few months before the mus it was very hard to get my was crying a lot. So people were shushing him to he was was sober noticed this and said yeah he this a few times to me he's not disturbing anyone me he's not disturbing and it's only that he's um disturbing himself whatever that could have a lot of meetings. Um, and another time was once blocking somebody out of Fangan. Um, I heard this from someone who was there and um, the said and either he repeated it a few times, whatever the heard overheard this, wasn't too far. It was only a few a few feet away from the and the Reb said, "Dove doesn't block." Um and then >> I remember uh we did me and you together did an interview with the deer I believe with Rabbi Gari in Detroit and he had a whole thesis on this vart that the Reb said that David that David doesn't block >> right >> was explaining the way he knows how to I think a 25 minute explanation that there's different types of B there's a Besh and then there's there's there's all these things and the highest level of B is David the whole mits of David was that he was so given over to the Reb that he's not even a mitis he cannot he cannot be a mitz that that is blocking he's only he's totally but to the he was going on about that >> it's interesting that you mention about um about the inab Evid uh in addition to the title Bin Ribel would often talk speak about when he would talk about him that you have to remember who he was in his mus was a remnis he was educated by him that was a real prop first proper the god under's uh influence was and remiss was of course inelcafia and marikus and all of that. Spain before Davening um to be able to say what touched him very much. what he noticed um that Misa was able to channel that of and you know and to channel that for the to carry them out without any asking any questions to to you know it's not it's not uh if we can do it it's how we can do it you know that that's how that's how my my Rafal operated. >> He was doing the >> Yeah, he was Yeah, exactly. Well, very well said. So, um that was uh I mean that's that's a that's a pretty good uh was good at that. But um >> so what else? >> A he would be mask him every single year that I would I would ask for his yard site on Z ear without fail. Every year he would remask him. anytime I asked him >> which was very rare. he would walk from his house next to 770 all the way down to Sabin at least three times and then there was other locations to Ley's library but um I don't think he did I mean I don't think anyone ever asked for their uh you know grandfather's yard site but um but he he felt a certain he had two different ways of operating no uh two minds are the same especially in that caliber but Um but yeah I mean he had a tremendous uh respect. There was mutual respect. Both of them respect each other one another very very much. I was told by um Mandy Groner Le Groner's son that after the tufa of kas my grandfather was appointed by the reb together with uh label and uh two others and mishkats to serve as the bad mad there. those who were involved with organizing the the structure in 770 the the say there have it was by the Tudas and by the Fbrillians all that anyways so after Latiel uh he so Rabon was telling me he was once in my office while rebel and and uh my grandfather were going at it about if they shall allow people to stand behind the by Fbrans because back in the Okay. Um there were windows behind Reb's uh place by his Fangans and to allow Luftton fresh air in um you would people would wouldn't be able to stand there. Um would say and people can stand there in order to uh allow air to come in and was saying that every wants more people to be there and everything's going to continue now you know um was not happy with people who wouldn't show up >> or stop people from going >> stop there was there were very strong uh shist about that want everything to continue and not just continue but thrive um as it's known but um so finally tells him just as the gave you the of or just like just as you were given the um I was given the kadam and I had a very strong uh on the growner he saw like obviously there's no one compared to him is you know but um saw though you know you have the and no one's gonna even you know compete with you but the rabbi gave me the of the and therefore and accepted that >> he a few you know differences between them didn't want a lot of people going showing up at one place in tal wants more people see had an opinion strategically that it's not good to have the whole there were there were the whole >> landing in one or multiple maybe only went two people to show that's how it was many people you know two bak would show up not more than two whatever it was but there was you know multiple multiple differences opinion on many matters and how you should be run and how different pulas should be done but the two of them had a very deep u mutual respect for each other that's for sure >> what are some of the other um things that the rabbis said about um on Z of TH um a month or so after after first spoke about the uh Reb appointed four new members took to replace those who um passed away. Uh, Misa was from the four. Um, the Reb wrote his name then. Um, and next to for each member that was added, the Reba wrote like a quality um about them, >> like a reason why they're being added. >> Yeah. So, for his name, the Reb wrote merits. He's energetic to get the job done. And with those three words I think that every was really uh you know Magdar his personality um you know very well that's uh that's who he was. was full in energy and he didn't stop until till the job was done, >> right? And I think what I remember discussing in that phone call that we had was that it wasn't necessarily, you know, he wasn't like building infrastructure and a five-year plan and you know, you know, building a he wasn't a CEO. He was he was the one that will actually just do and get it done. >> Yeah. So there were there were complaints that about um why was he given the power and you know all the mistas um sai to be the and to be the man of s this and say that and um I know there was someone who spoke to the about having someone replace him as and the told him he's mine. Um and then the Reba said also who are you going to find to uh replace that? I think they ever knew what's the ishiva sensei uh what what it entails to run is yeshiva especially uh the sword of s7 but um but um yeah and when it came to that and then when it came to uh also some people felt that he wasn't the most qualified um candidate for that and um my grandfather actually wrote to the I have answers if you should continue in nisha and he got positive answers to continue and he wrote in one time he wrote to the reba that he wasn't sure he should take on because he was already very involved with and the he writes this and the told me to uh take it on take on the uh position of um I mean there's there's a lot of details on that as well but um and also on sukus toughen base one of the um things that rabbit asked me to do was to um bind his Arab minimum on sukus. >> When >> to bind the Arab. >> So you said a year >> nun. >> Mhm. So when after my gave back the uh the aluminium to the >> right because was the one every year that would make the for the right >> and but um so when he gave the rabb the minim um after he put them together the told him your name is David and David is uh connected to the to Mashiach Miah and David of course but um I heard this from a relative of mine who told us to but he didn't want to make a from Pearson from it but uh in general that's history there were a lot of uh interesting uh you know expressions that told him I think that told his brother label then that uh after 40 years now and at 40 years um and and you know things like that to various this is the last I think then uh said yeah I think the first time I mean not the first time but the reb used that term >> that term >> there are a few things during that heard from other people as well which was very himic and um so those are those are a few expressions that I think of right now I'm sure there are more that the reb um said about him or to him um he was also a a very big known she made many and there were many people that referred to him to even even that was Matsia he wanted to close or to be involved with uh >> the wanted to be involved with you also got answer from the about >> uh yeah >> um what is the story your mother had a had an accident a car accident what was what was that story >> you have enough uh tape for this >> I'll try >> it's a it's a very long uh Um, I actually had the of interviewing the doctor that was involved with the treating her a few years ago when the the kinists um had the famous Zoom that wanted for a week. >> Mhm. >> So, uh there was about a thousand on when I contacted the Kun to reach out to him. Um they're a relative of this Dr. Rich, which we'll talk about in a second. >> It's the same Dr. Rich that was there. >> Yeah, he was the first one to respond. So yeah, I was uh it was very heartsick when he asked me this, you're you're a son. Like I don't think he realized it was a ham. So I was like, yeah, it was a very uh heartsick moment. So I'll try to say it uh as best as possible in the time that we have together >> among is brought to you by we live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is a we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the reb is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. Provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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You can be part of through your financial support as well through visiting our website.org or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. So, this was um Ad Alfaml. Um my mother then was a student at Brifka in nth grade. Uh, Brifka then was located on uh Stone Avenue uh near church um a street would refer to as Yanagas. Um and um she was 13 years old at the time. uh when she was leaving school one day um around four o'clock um as she was crossing the street uh a zooming either a truck or a van uh drove by and uh hit her hit her hard. She flew in the air a few feet um landed I think on her head. Um was a terrible terrible scene. This was in front of all the girls. This was by dismissal. Um she was rushed then to um Kings County Hospital right here. And um yeah, she was unconscious. Um when my represent contacted my grandfather and told him what happened and um my grandfather right away ran to 770 or went to Mosquito who's probably in 770 already and he wrote he told Label what happened label growner and label told him to um write to the Reba right away all the details and he'll bring it in as soon as he can. So he wrote it he wrote all the details and that the doctors uh don't uh don't give her much time. you already uh saw her condition right away that uh the her condition was um almost uh almost done and um so Gordon told me that's me wrote to his pandan that he's giving her over as a daughter to the um story I always heard growing up but hearing that from someone that was there um really really uh had hit me hard and he wrote to the he wrote the very very hard to get uh pun that the doctors are not giving her much help and that he's he's giving her over to the rabbit entirely. Anyways um the then when the told him um to contact a uh Dr. Robert Richtor and he should um treat her. I'm sorry. The Reb told him to call Dr. Richter and uh tell him that he wants to meet with him. >> The Reba wants to meet with him. >> Yeah, I heard from Mandy Groner that the Reb told his father that uh but um that's interesting. Um he he said I think he he remembers that detail but um which is a very uh you know fascinating thing to hear. Anyways um so label called um Dr. he was a surgeon at Brooklyn Jewish Hospital. It's not called interfaith but uh just know near Atlantic Avenue. And um Dr. Richtor got back to him and uh he said he'll be over in he'll be out at out of 770 very soon. He came over in 770 right away that I was calling in the middle of the day. It's obviously a very important matter and um I basically told him what uh the report that he got about uh my mother and told him that he uh wants him to look after her for her recovery. So Dr. told me that I told the Rebby that it's not my um it's not my field what uh I think was brain damage. Um and number two it's I'm not I'm blown out hospital so I won't uh that won't uh work out. So um so the rabbit told him that King's County it's it's they didn't it's it's done. It's over. They can't really do uh they said they can't do much anymore at this point. They're just, you know, waiting for the worst. So, what would they care if you come in just to uh you know, look look over her situation. So, he um the then told him, I want you to come in every day to report to me. Um um I asked him did I ever give him any guidance on treatment. He told me no. I just want him I want you to come back every day and report and um call her name. So he did that every day um for about two weeks and the told him and also this was I think on a Wednesday or or maybe on a Thursday. Anyways, the said when it comes to uh Shabas when after you finish after you finish the shoo with your family um I would like you to visit the hospital and then come back to me. Uh I'll be at my office. And he did that. He told me he kept the uh >> Where did he live? >> I think he lived he lived in Manhattan. >> But um upper east side, but the interesting thing is he told me when he came Friday night, he's a shame of Shabas. So he kept his car running uh because he didn't want to have to restart it afterwards. So he told me he asked some yeshiva students to watch his car not crime heights, you can imagine. But um but then he told me that's when he really hit him that he's mamaish for her for her recovery. The fact that the on chabas to uh see that's when he realized basically this is not just this is that was working through him. He actually refused to meet with me because he didn't want to be considered a hero. I told him my family you're like a you're a hero. I don't want to hear any of that hero talk. I was making sure this girl gets a full full recovery. I'm nothing more than of the he made that that point very um emphasized that point very strongly. Anyways, >> his relationship with the Reb started in you don't know >> I actually saw on Reb response a letter to him I think from earlier from the >> he had a relationship. Okay. >> He's married to Mando Kunan's granddaughter. So it's you know so this relationship started much earlier. Um long story short which is many details there are many letters in between but on um on prim day >> why why you making it short grand >> yeah by um the he approached the reb once and the reb again till she comes home um on poor Pim. So this happened on test other on uh maybe it wasn't it was other Shane Mama then on Purim a week later um Stock who was a close family friend lived in the same block as my grandfather and her and my mother of course he decided to um arrange for a minion to ask the fora for her. Um so I heard this from he who was one of the part of the minion actually have the right over here the gave the reban. Um there was three Khanim Shimshin wanted himself Zakatsman and um and another seven eight friends of my grandfather who after Min PM day this is PM touch they approached they were first standing by the door whenever left left the room to the left his room to the um to the for the didn't mention anything on the way back asked the labeler what are they what are they standing here for? So answer that for you know they're here to ask for uh for my mother. Um so at that point they presented to the Reba the pan uh with all the signatures together within based schol it was corresponding to the rabbis then and um for the main pan and he wrote in the pan that um users signed were asking the bra for our friend um that he should uh whatever it is all theas and all the responsibilities that he has in especially now that he has um the situation that his daughters and that the doctors say that it's in God's hand they did everything they could and now it's in God's hand and we're asking the purim this pur to a and all You know, there shouldn't be no afterwards. Reddit. Um that anyone any person who stretches out his arm you grant him the or it's it's literally about money. But the Reb says in the context of Abrao that um Sister Davis. So um the following day um she opened her eyes um Dr. Richtor said then when he visited her that day he called her eyes and um into my shock and he's not an emotional guy. He's a surgeon. He's a you know real professional uh orthodox guy. Um the rabbit. So he got all uh shaken up. He told me that he said I got goosebumps. I I did not think there was a chance that she would uh open her eyes and um he as the rest of the doctors were basically basically expecting the worst and she opened her eyes and the sab with her then made an um he showed her a picture of the asked her if she knows who that is. She said of course um um was writing very very hard here on his about what he was going through besides for all this and especially this yeah this s on his uh on his back to deal with and um there was a lot of encouraging answers but Um but there was continuous updates from every time his visited her which was every day he would that night he would report to the reba what the doctors are saying in the updates and that you know there's more and more of a chance that she may wake up that you know there was always uh there was always hope and all that and so Dr. told me that one thing that really impressed me about this ordeal was that her father, my grandfather, um how he never lost himself. He said whenever I dealt with uh similar cases, parents were always, you know, losing their minds, going in a in a craze. Me, he never lost himself at any moment. And um there were times when I heard from those who were there that the doctors was one time especially doctor asked him uh they need parental consent about giving over um some of her limbs organs to scientific research if Misa would be willing to do that and he had to someone had to translate for him and say and um and this it's not even up for discussion obviously it wouldn't even be possible but the concept of uh if she's going to make it um he he was you know very strong about there was no other option um and Dr. I said that really made a big impression on him seeing this um this mental strength that he had. And then so later on that month at the end of my grandfather and his wife, my grandmother and their son Mangalitzk went into for my uncle's um bar mitzvah which would take place in Zionism. And um I have a transcript of that where the writes that they asked the my grandmother say there um >> she was already conscious then. >> Yeah, she was up already. Um she had a she still had a long journey for recovery but also asked that he should be at his uh bar mitzvah. Um and that was the Reb's uh answer and the whole block remembers her coming uh ambulance coming up um Montgomery Street out of Pesak after be uh and she was carried off a stretcher in a into the house. Um she was with a wheelchair uh I mean a she was a walker in a wheelchair in a walker for the next uh few months of course and uh as the rabbi was leaving I saw a wrote to the reb at the end of seven uh when the rebba spoke a to them then um my mother was there with her walker and he writes to the as the reb was leaving the sh the reb made with his hand to her in her direction and it uh really raised her spirits. Interesting. I mean they want to make sure that every was aware of that. >> That's that's interesting detail of the story that I know now because he wrote that denim. But uh every was leaving the sh um I guess he made wave with his hand to my mother like uh acknowledge you and you know Dr. They told me that um at the end uh when the Reba when he told the Reb that she woke up and the Reba told him that it won't be necessary to make his daily visits anymore. He said I couldn't contain myself but to ask the Rebi Rabbi did you know the entire time? So he didn't he told me the Rebi didn't say yes or no. father made like a twinkle with his eye >> like you know I'm even but um yeah she uh she lives for another 30 years and I'm here to tell the story. >> Yeah. Um but um yeah it's a it's a tremendous story and it's a story I live with um my family lives with and it's um you know I wouldn't be here without it without just very and um it's only of course but um I'm sure there are many there's so many other details that um not coming to mind right now but that's the story In a uh in a nutshell during that hotel kufa the the girls were always visiting her and saying tam at her at her bedside. Shin stock was always uh ringing groups over of girls to drive over and sometimes he would shake the bed for her to wake up you know in his typical fashion. But um but yeah, there was um that was a very traumatizing uh tufa for the girls. These are 14-y old girls that uh in front of their eyes they saw this >> the whole recovery was there was they weren't at ease that entire uh you know till the end of the year till the beginning of the next was other you know but yeah takes care of his boys. Um yeah uh Dr. Rar was very happy. I sent him the picture by of him and his wife at the my parents in the maliff and he uh was very thankful to see that um I think the of the he mentions that he was there. Um in general miser reported to the about everything everything in his life I don't know if I like if this was necessarily true but I can maybe be mish that he probably has from the most answers of any just from his roles that he played and how frequent he would report um what for example when anytime he had to leave town for whatever reason if uh let's say for aid or whatever it is, he wrote to the his entire itinerary when he's taking off, when he's going to be back, and then he would always ask the Reb to be him with the it was like an employee employ reporting to his boss that he's taking off for a day or so. That's how that that was his relationship with the Reb. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't he didn't take off for a week. He didn't take off for a extended period of time. I was back at I'll be back at the office at uh this and this amount of time, you know, this time. And it's uh you know it really it reading these dasis really show you what it means to work for the rebba. Now everyone of course works under the you know we belong to the rebba but to work directly under the reb that's uh to see that up and close that's it's you know it's fascinating to see um yeah that's that story. >> Thank you for sharing it. Um it's a very special story. >> One thing actually I want to add um which is connected to what we spoke about earlier about his other hardships that he was destined to face. Um during that port I heard this from two Talmin who were there Goldberg who was today in Mikame and um Galitzki from Tel Aviv. They were both by the Fbrangan of Fbrangan the night before Leo Pur this is either PM or Nissen um was definitely the period where my mother was in the hospital um he was bringing was very he said was they both described as a very hard sickening and he was saying they didn't say the prophet he had a >> it's not a it's not a it's not a speech impediment it's an accent >> yeah yeah his brother label that also Yeah. So he would say let's say what does it mean says he has problems. You have a there's no problem doesn't have issues. You have a everything will take care of there's no and he was saying this but like throughout the he would he was repeating this theme and um they all knew that he was referring to himself. you speaking to me, right? No, but this was next week that he was mom was talking to himself in a sense like why is it I'm doubting that she'll have a recovery why why do I feel that this problems the devil will take care of it you know his was you know like it says in navik should there was no it was one thing was one entity and um it's something that he really tried to be mush and his children is in I hope I and u embody those traits of his um but u yeah that's one thing I wanted to add which was a very you know heart moment thank you can't speak about without mentioning a few things first of all he was the during the week and the rabba That's something that uh he's very known for. And also he he had a minute to bring every year when we stay up all night. What was that about? So the first thing you asked about about his um laning for the reba that actually already started teny I think one time uh the regular wasn't there turned to him and from then on he uh started laning was then in defeated of course so he started laning and that I mentioned earlier from either wasn't Um the the said that leaning from the is also a school for you know he should be able to u process information and you know learn better etc. So that was learning from the is a scholar which um I'm sure was connected to the fact that that's what he uh ended up doing. Um he saw that as he saw that as a schlas in the m late late years um that he was laying in the reb's room. This was in the mids. Fortunately, he was going through many uh health issues then as he did the last 15 years or so of his life. And um he would have to go for treatment and uh many doctor uh appointments and uh you know to maintain his health and um he was very careful that the appointment shouldn't be on a Monday or a Thursday. Um you know he didn't want take have that taken away from him to to be able to lay in the Reb's room. >> Right. >> So uh >> I remember vividly him uh >> him laying in the room >> laying in the Reb's room. I mean like with with the with the like >> he was mish doing until the point that the the people mamish near him couldn't hear him here. was he was he was I think you know before I get to the PES these things um really kept him um together as a person you know with all considering his life circumstances and his health issues um the fact that he was able to be mali the Reb's and his gave him the fact that Monday Thursday he was able to call up the Reb which I heard he was the first one to call up the uh with that title of in the sense it was it was lower I think Gordon called out the but um but still he was calling up the ready than in he would go lower than in general the way he did it was very royal was like a >> the Yeah. Yeah. He would like turn to the side in order not to have his back to the reb as the reb would have come from the either from the upstairs and then Monday Thursdays and later on when after um downstairs then later on in the front of 70 but um but that um I think his health started deteriorating after that reason. Um, of course he would for bringing about that the Reb is still with us and a soldier doesn't give up his work if the general isn't uh, you know, giving him orders necessarily at that moment, he would bring in this this non-stop. Um but um was his support system and the fact that he knew that he's showing up every day to work in Shiva and whatever it was all of his that gave him sustenance to uh to carry on and um as the years were going on and Z his health was um only declining. Um unfortunately but um he was wasn't that old even he was in his uh early 70s >> when it started >> mid-60s even. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um so first of I think Jacobson for the >> I remember him. I I was I attended one of these things. Yeah. I mean he was like you're describing he was very not well >> one of my earliest memories of him of sitting there by his uh >> I didn't appreciate it and then of course I just was by and I didn't realize what was happening like there's nothing happening like this was his night >> right >> almost anyone that I interviewed like I mentioned earlier that I asked the always say you was was that was his that was his day to shine >> I remember when I remember when he I just remember what happened. There was when I was a young so he fell he came in middle of the night upstairs in Zo oranges there >> oranges bananas and wine >> something like that and he was fabanging it's very hard to hear anything so afterwards he left and then came up he's like he want to know like like is still going on I think it was I or someone else yeah We weren't able to hear so much but you know so he like I remember was like when like they used to scream like a lion by by these I remember that moment. >> Yes. So his main remember was once saying at his one of the um his all the things that was then talks about that the talks about but what was that was his that's It's been the whole thing >> is um I think the one of the main reasons why it's such a like big tal because tal is the only um activity that we do that really shows on the the concept of soldiers soldiers marching mis's entire uh mahus was a soldier the fact that there's one aspect within this whole framework of of which literally um you know personify that that idea of just of walking like soldiers. I think that's that was one of the things that really resonated with him like he was very into saying as a when we leave Sami especially when the was at the front door being all of the um he wanted to line up down Isa Parkway as a um >> then there's a famous line he would say till >> yeah would say that the say there would uh leaves the so he would say he first stops you know keeping say there then he stops coming to then you know he would enumerate a few other you know things he was very uh very open everyone's heard that the rabb told him that to speak about things that bah could relate to I heard from a nephew of his that told him told me that he once but um but he was he was very um he was very um that was his that was his line he starts with um it's not coming to say there and uh >> he goes level by level >> there's I'm not sure if it was in the same sequence of of of this that he would say or was other times basically he would say you eat and then you start eating good foods then you drinkim which is soda jumping m caves and literally mean jumping water but uh you don't know or coke or greenas or drill or sprite all these different hazard didn't uh you know wasn't he wasn't wasn't ted by him at all like he didn't uh >> yeah I heard from he's like soda he never drank it >> the whole thing meat wasn't I mean dashmas wasn't part of his life >> he says until no you go >> no so he would talk about that uh all this then >> say we got about a bus And until he ate so much by by the >> until until he stops going on >> until he stops going on that's the >> the cliff >> that's the yeah most grave sin um tal by him was was you know there was no missing uh I heard from somebody even after he was in a wheelchair they saw him on Coney Island once um someone pushing going to a show. He he was he was just he was shocked like really like you know you did your time here you know you can sit home you don't have to >> he was >> they say would say he hopes it rains on >> so that could go if you go my ways I'll give rain at it it's time and he said this >> so when is when rains on >> he would say it's time you go it's a nice weather like what's the what's the you go when it's pouring rain your hats in the mall the hat the >> the dye of the hat down and people would come back to them standing with black faces and the shirts were totally uh you know full of black ink >> um I said that's everyone give for all those that went on was very u was a very that didn't start the um of I'm sorry at the end of the before is always Ask that was one of the >> came back from Yeah. >> Yeah. He was wanted to know if >> the officially went till till everyone was back from >> Yeah. >> I mean most guys most all the unless you revived Kaz ever missed the first chunk of the Fibbrangan. >> Right. You're lucky you got to the end and most guys a lot of guys miss that entire ring and if you went further one time spoke about the smart boys those who go to closer locations to come back earlier >> right >> obvious of course but yeah and him were uh were synonymous >> another another major in his life was was in the midl when was coming out with you one after the one after another, >> right? I would say if there was ever a period in Dashi that he shined the most was during those really started from summer liml. Um during that period it was just a marathon of new in the in the tanks and theata everything just took on in a whole new level. Every other the week my was coming out with new initiatives and new things that should be implemented. And of course like mentioned earlier was the address for all of these um for all of these um activities. Um when in the summer of Lad Gimmel that every was talking very much in Kim the hair has a very nice article on that. um months before the war uh which happened on kiper of 1973 um the revolutioning very much to do this with children um to gather children to learn do learn to with them that children should should have they should host hold rallies by it's interesting we printed that article in the the tish of October 7th. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. >> So Mida was then he went to SH that summer. I think two of his daughters was in uh was in school then in the there. Um so before he went he asked the rebba what he should speak about and the rebba said it's a never been more of a appropriate time to u to basically devel with withite in the sense of you know mitzvah and came to talk about to you know encouraged the various messes over there to get involved with these pulas um in general anytime he either took a trip there to straw which was around three four times. Um his there was no vacation time was meeting one one to another to to take care of back to you have to see this and he wrote to but literally step his step by step by step of everything he did during the day um meeting with meeting with Gansburg meeting with Zamlski meeting with and uh you know all the other men and um but non-stop and making sure that they were on top of uh of the game and fulfilling all the all of the race. Um so that that summer was uh the beginning of a like I said before like a a marathon of of non-stop and then Khan came around. I mean that tish was was like a further you know about the teas and by volcano was a very uh very very heart uh moments and then kaneka was the um was the first time that the wanted to make for uh that there shouldn't be a single Jewish home without the kite of khan. So Naza then uh found this guy. Um he's actually still around. It's kind of hot as mid to late 90s now. >> He came to visit our office once. >> Oh yeah. Um >> was he the same one that made the Nashk? >> Yeah. It was Tber Cooperstein. >> He made the minus the the >> we have today and also the Nashk candles. So he was um he was manufacturing equipment for the war efforts. So he had like a metal uh factory. So you know if you know Is that worked? He heard of his metal and he knows that everyone needs everyone's mana. So maybe we can contact the guy that does that manufactures metal to design uh um mana kits >> tin manas. >> This is the manas that we're using till today from times the same mana. I mean that looked a little different. >> Looked different but the same the same idea. Yeah. >> So, so he wrote to the Reb about this. Um Isaiah wrote to the Reb and the Reb wrote a beautiful to him. Unfortunately a year or so before um his son was killed in a um in a in a mugging attack. They got the wrong guy, the people, the you know the attackers. Uh long story short, uh he was killed and Bab wrote that through the through his efforts and um making these minus maz of the bay um you know for all good things as it's explained in ter and the reb mentioned a few others with the name in it you underline each uh each letter each word of error um and all those who were you know involved with that was involved with that mitzvah it's just very uh was a beautiful bra and then I continued and from there uh was able to write that say needs this amount needs this amount this is how things operated um what started in eventually They spread throughout uh America and and throughout the world of course um I didn't mention earlier in the early years of TA in the the 50s in the Yuds there were different branches of T everywhere there was T of Boston T of New Haven T of uh Rochester T of uh multiple places in New Jersey today you have T Montreal in Paris in Argentina Uh then it was in Brazil. I remember seeing letters from Herzik then in Brazil and then um there was also um missing a few locations but yeah was a Milan saw a few letters to Mandel where it's addressed Milan. So you know was the um that was the operating arm for all of Morocco >> eventually eventually things changed and like the became and then >> but then in New York area everything is still till today >> till today a few places first one Israel of course that was the original place but in Montreal it's remained that way in Paris right >> the Alabama >> Australia I forgot to mention of course Melbourne it's uh Toronto Um but yeah those uh but those years I a few years ago for Tishra I arranged a panel um with four or five who were for the of a few of them of course who were involved with pulis and uh the reason why I did that because reading these and and hearing these people was Like I felt like these was titled um when what was it called? Msim hit the streets or something like that. Um Labavage hit the streets. The Ms era when Labavage hit the streets. It's on YouTube actually. You can watch that. But it's um was a fascinating uh era in Labavich when all these things uh so one very powerful answer my grandfather got then was um he he wrote to the Reb that um we had a meeting about um this was after the incident in Malot which I think the hair wrote about as well. Fortunately, there was a there was a uh school I think from it that was uh on a field trip to Malot, >> a town in northern >> I just want to mention that Pition over here that the is actually working on a new endeavor, a new book which is going to cover the time of >> beautiful >> plus other campaigns that the Reb launched but uh >> looking forward >> and you mentioned Malot I'm saying it's going to have the history it's gonna have everything that needs to get fired up Not the MIT. >> Very good. I have the doing the interviews for the MIT column which is ongoing now >> this year. Exactly. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's uh >> definitely that element of that is going to be included for sure. >> Yeah. Um the nice thing about Messiah column is not just the history but it's al also the ongoing impact of these messiah the >> practical implications >> practical implications of them which everyone can relate to. If you don't if you don't know if you don't know what we're talking about, make sure to subscribe >> at the.org so you can read these columns as they're coming out the next few months. So yeah, so getting back to uh so he wrote to the Reb that we had a meeting uh after the m of the spoke about very strong about um increasing in all and to go into the streets and you know encourage for it to fill existed from so wrote to the that um we had a meeting about it and we're planning following up uh I think the following week or writes like this which is a very fundamental answer for every me and every to um you know to always have in mind wrote as follows until the next meeting that you mentioned it would be possible for those who do York to conquer the entire New York and its surrounding areas in a peaceful and uh pleasant uh manner you know today I think one of the one of the um areas which you know it's kind of hard to retrieve from you know before Gimlamas was the sense of urgency that there was a fire burning under every single one of us to to get the work done. There was no let's talk about it Monday at 9:00 a.m. you know let's follow up about the next everything had to happen now and here and now there was no you know everything obviously became much professional and much more uh developed over the years but this was general approach every if it's important it has to be done now >> and that was and that was abd's mo >> yeah I say that was I mean I think that from that uh from that day on there was just didn't stop the reports are coming in and and he was he was finding out how many bakar went to various locations and the day he was writing muzz and the be came with five that's started and later on became uh the whole summer the gave $5 whoever uh whoever didn't go or stay in and did whatever it was that ever g to uh I know a lot of people that still have the $5 bill uh whoever got can I get the kamish then but uh I didn't I mentioned before in the last day of Khan the uh told my grandfather that anyone that uh through anyone who was Mishf in Mitzah uh will receive a dollar from me. This is before obviously yeah 12 years or so before the started giving out dollars and gave out uh dollars. You have to first get a settle from your gave it to Mas and then you were able to go it was like a whole process and then you were able to receive a dollar from um so wrote about this on when they wrote about when he wrote about and the gave every person who was this is how started and again the told through whoever will be in they will receive a dollar. So like the Reb wanted these things to take off into incentive it would be to receive a dollar from him and um really started earlier in the army bases would send out and couples to army bases in the mid to late Kuffs uh during the Vietnam war to um to be there for soldiers. um that would have no other way of celebrating Pummill was a very big and by the Feb. you hear in the audio them saying that they just returned from fort wherever it is and uh and it was a very uh it was very special to the that guys went out to these army bases which was obviously done under Castell Gazant um he wouldl was the organizers the organizer of the he's visiting the shabatones and uh arranging people to go to to visit the with Arab with the Arab with eating with kabat having guys go over to people's apartments and homes to learn with them um and chapatones that's was all cast so he started working for mitz approach once to starting when became mitz if you would like to get involved he was a young man then and that's when the rest of his work in s started >> and there's a lot of lot of a lot of uh that he received many many minus which Mr. Shi printed in the book and hopefully I can be to give the hair as well. >> Yeah. And I also hope to have him on the podcast at a certain point. >> Yeah, he would he would be great. A lot of >> um Okay. So there's you actually have on the table here a lot of binders with pictures and answers and it's so vast. We didn't even get it yet and we covered mean we were here for a long time. So um I want to ask I mean this is act this is why you're writing a book and there's more there's more binders over there. This is why you're writing a book because every element in every area that we covered there's much more to write and there's details and there's documents and >> you're just giving really the of it all. >> Um is there any anything else or any closing thoughts that you want to share that's important for those that are going to be listening takeaways? Everyone has what uh to contribute to the rabbis kabana. My grandfather was not the many people would say not the most qualified in the sense of professionalism to um to run various organizations. But that's not what the Reba looks for in a in aid. The Reb wants loyal soldiers. And um if you're a soldier ready to carry out the general's command, um you know, we need you. We need you to uh to be there. um we needed for the work. um it's irrelevant a person's background the knowledge this was the whole idea of that um first there was no such a thing in is getting old that I've made it very clear in in day one you know very in the beginning this is a young gener this is youth this whole is youth you know you could be saying and still it's still being that's not um Kazanovski when he would talk about um when he would speak at the convention he would say uh you know make with his white beard it's a fagan to speak here at like consider he would consider himself for the youngsters but uh that's that's that's a message that I learned from his life and I think everyone can uh can learn from him and that you know it's it's not about capabilities, it's about uh being committed to the cause and it's about being loyal first of all who you represent and what you represent um and the are there the said that uh countless amount of times that you have the you know give the gives the and we just have to uh want to like they say to to come up the bat and uh it's not it's not optional. The Reb said it on day one that it's we need every single every Yid to to participate in this effort and health and that our efforts should bear fruit to to the gula. Amen. Thank you very much and a lot of with getting it done and uh appreciate everything that you shared. >> It's my pleasure. Thank you.