Ep. 27: A Long Distance Connection with Rabbi Pesach Schmerling

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Encourage anyone who does not yet have a letter in the to visit letters from.com to bring more light and unity into the world as the rebba inspires and instructs. Shaloming. How are you? Shalom. Thank you for having me. >> Okay. Thank you for making the time to to talk and um it's not uh we're not strangers but uh I don't know if our conversations were on the topic on the topics that uh that I would like to cover so or that you would like to cover. So maybe this will be different. So my my first question I want to ask you is I know you're from Switzerland. I know Switzerland, you know, that's connected. I know there's a big mishb, but I don't know much about it. You know, where they came from, how they ended up, how they ended up there. So, maybe you can start like that. How does that sound? >> Yeah, sounds like a plan. So, my el my great-grandfathering who was born in Kalisk in Russia. So Mishbah going back dus till the time of the alter um traveled moved from Russia to Switzerland around Samak in the early had a rashab to move to Switzerland we don't know much proim about it but he moved to Switzerland and he started a panos over there had a little store, grocery store sold different foods and he started to produce cheese. So this early 1900s there are ads of schmeurling cheese already from 1910 even before. So Mamesh in the early 1900s he started to produce cheese that is um he kept a kesher with b harav even when he was in Switzerland like I mentioned before he came from a lab mishbah actually uh he writes in his sedar in the back of his sid he wrote some family details dates yard sites and different things so he writes over there we don't know the exact uh family tree all the way up. But he writes that we are descendants from the maggots was a mal of the alterb. Later he became a and his son Rabsul was a shar of and he was an uncle of the he married the sister of Shak's father. So he's called the fetula the maggots the maggots on his because his father was the maggot of labavich. So we are descendants from [clears throat] them and he also writes that his father is the cop. Now we don't know exactly how are we related to the copus the rebba but the rebba wrote to twoim toben shashmp and tob vulf in the 1950s um that they traveled to zurich to Switzerland and the rabbi writ for sure going to meet or you you should meet up with my grandfather that's already the son of vitz that who was here a few times he's also So, >> so this is not the that's that's related >> no to the like I mentioned before the family goes back already one branch of the family went to in the time of the actually one of the married so there are numerous int including Zmearling who used to come to the Reb say brought many to the every has it he opened up so that's a m that was from one of these so so we might be distant relatives of that branch of the but these are the historic we were from those that stayed back in Russia and were in Russia my eld moved to Switzerland. >> So when in that when it says that they're whatever related to that's because of >> because they are from the they are straight >> our family apparently is not. So either because we are of the magit was an uncle of the or because of the other uh thing that my el writes that his father is mimish the copus but we don't know exactly what that means. How are we related to Adam the copus? I assume it's some type of marriage relationship. Somebody over there married into the mishbach of the capus abyss. We don't know the details. So if anybody out there is good at it, try to figure it out. Can't uh but apparently the bame knew about this u relationship and mama knew better but uh it was closer in years. We don't know the details. My eld didn't write the details that's why we don't know. So your elder was the start of the cheese which still exists. >> That's also the chocolates. That's >> No, he didn't start the chocolate. After he passed away, my Zeta added on the chocolate, his son Bendit. Um, so he was in Switzerland alone loav anash that I know of in those years. >> There was always a film Kahila in Switzerland. That's why I went there. Yeah, there was a Jaka and aid my in the he he was he was aided but for for him it made no difference theim or the neither is where he is at home but he lived down the block from the Yakashul so >> but he heaven there >> he grew up in Switzerland >> my Za did my move to Switzerland, right? >> And he his house was literally down the block from the Yakusha big shul. So he davened there. He also was a bal there. >> Um but he kept up the cash of his base. Um my elders sister married uh second cousin and they lived in but my grandfather became a bach. So my el wanted to send him really tok whatever where the yeshiva was then [clears throat] and my elder bab she came from a mishb so she objected because who's going to look after him sending a little boy a 13year-old to Poland who's going to look after him she had relatives in tells let's send him to tels and she won they sent my grandfather to tells but for yontiff he went to Ria. So his uncle who lived in Ria took him to the Fid. So my grandfather saw the still in Ria and uh you know even when he was in Tels he there were a few lab insat wasn't I mean whatever the in Poland >> right was in there was no >> right it wasn't wherever the yeshiva was >> but he started yeshiva already >> correct correct [snorts] good I didn't think of the exact years you are Right. Um he came to tells that rashiva over there learned that rashiva had an appreciation and told my grandfather it's coming up to utkisliff in a few days there are the raich brothers who are also loaves go to a you know the bahim there was no dormatory the bahim lived in different places where they are staying there for sure is going to be some type of habbran and your father probably wants you to go to that fabs >> who was the [clears throat] um anyways um so even when he was learning in tells but he had he knew the family did the same but still he didn't learn he shaved his beard and you know all his years he he wasn't like a typical laber. But he he knew the shik of course connected to labavich. The fre came here to America and right away tried to save whoever he could from Europe. Everybody knows of course the galdiga work that the f grabber put in to bring the reban rabbits in here. But it wasn't only them. The fab tried any any So the fig made a list of and their families to try to arrange visas to bring them to America. We didn't know this what I just said. What we knew in the family all the years was that my elto and his family lived in Zurich in Switzerland. And one day he gets a phone call from the American embassy that the visas are ready. And what visas? He didn't apply for visas. Rabasher sent visas for your family to go to America. Okay. The problem was that my grandfather was drafted in the army. This is 1941 the war. And while >> which army? >> The Swiss army. >> I thought the Swiss were not involved. The Swiss weren't in the war, but they didn't know that in advance. >> So, they had the army ready just in case Hitler immade. We're ready. >> So, my grandfather was a soldier. He was drafted. He couldn't leave Switzerland. My baba said, "She's not leaving uh leaving her son uh back going to America. She's doesn't want to hear of it." My elders said the reb visas. The Reb sent visas. He got to go. So they made the they decided that him and his daughter who was married to someone Aram Schnal, not a Swiss citizen and therefore he wasn't drafted to the army. They'll go and then after the war the rest of the family will join. They actually did that. They came to America and the so interesting now I'll tell you in a moment the figra is yakas but he ended up passing away in toughenh 1945 so after the war there was nothing for my elabub and my za to move to America for anymore. My grandfather came for the first yard site in Tafv 1946 to the to New York yard site he was by the along formed but um >> so his son-in-law passed away >> my grandfather's father passed away here here in not the son-in-law he son-in-law lived for many years okay >> um so the I heard the following from numerous the family knew about it and um I heard this from Kajaminski of Ashalam. I heard it from a label poisoner Olaf Hasham passed away recently that the freeb said when my grand my great-grandfather came to America Mashiach will come we'll say we need smurling cheese and make sure to have cheese ready for when Msiah comes in the it's not printed in recent years helps there's chudis every family prints chudis for simas so one family printed a han of the fabangan of youth kissin base and over there in the han it's a type it says I guess between the somebody pointed out to the fid there is linking from and the fig responded they should tell him I guess he stood further away or something like that the fig was difficult to speak but fig said he they should Tell him he should prepare a lot of of because soon Msiah will come and it's printed. Now we have the exact we don't now we know when it happened and >> it's famous that the that the Reb that there was that there was chocolate by the Reb but I never heard about the cheese but so that's okay. Yeah. So my elders started the cheese and so so we knew in the family the story with the visas and this that in recent years printed kabad pinatia and over there in the back there are copies of that rashima that the fid made whom to try to save and in that rashima my alt zed my alab all the children's names. So obviously the majority of the people under the shima weren't saved and um but my ela's family they did get saved that that was the my zeta started the chocolate. Um but interesting you mentioned that you didn't know about the cheese you knew about the chocolate in Toshin and olive my grandfather came almost every year for the yard of his father yard is tier so my elite is buried here you know there's a famous picture of the standing by the ten of the fre before the oil was built >> right in the beginning in tiny >> so there's three matas visible like in the background one of them is my ala he's buried two rows behind so my my zeda came almost every year always was in had throughout all the years in tin when he came that was when I already learned here I was all I was ba I took care of my grandfather my grandmother took them around helped them help my grandfather get a seat by the fabbran you know I was his bodyguard a little Uh um we went by by dollars and first went my grandfather who wishbed. So my grandfather told the which I didn't know at the time. My grandfather already had cancer at the time. He did he didn't say a word to the about that. He didn't ask. All he said was some sadik and the rebba gave him another dollar fadikz not for the chocolate fadikz and then my grandmother went by [clears throat] and the rebbit gave her also a dollar fadz and I'm the next in line and both my grandmother and label grer both like point to me informing the rebenic my grandmother does labels is an so in a split second like many times when people went by by dollars family and business and this so the reb would sometimes tell also the children are you also help out you're also part of it you know for you helping your grandparents two things first of all my father wasn't part of the business of the he he didn't join my grandfather's business my uncle of did but my father did his own vanosa and Um, and also [laughter] I wasn't looking for so gave me a dollar. [laughter] So I'm still working on being that you're definitely not doing the definitely not doing the but Well, you see that the Reb mentioned the KZ. So everybody knows and it's true the rabbi did eat the chocolate. The rabbi ate a bit of sweet no bless the one with the horse on it. That was the the one >> sugarree. >> I don't know what sugarree I don't think it existed then. Sugar-free. Maybe in the later years they made it also sugarree. But but the bittersweet no bless chocolate. That's what the Reb ate. So the Reb could have told my grandparents father chocolate. So was after this was shortly after this was I believe was the date. Um and the reb was also there youth kissed by the fab. So maybe because of that I don't know but >> but I mean it's a good you know >> attributing to the Yeah. >> Okay. So what about you yourself? So you >> So I grew up. So so to continue just that here. So my grandfather because he went to still had a he always came every year and he had interesting. I don't know if I want to get into saying all kinds of stories maybe later if there's extra time. Um but when his children grew up he decided to send them to literature to you know the preconceived notions you learn. Okay. So he sent my uncle, my father to liter in Switzerland and ponder different yeshivas and but while they were inro they learned Tanya Gmid they went to Fabangans different fabangans there was a yiden the label Almanov these had a huge hash on Both my uncle and my father to the extent that both of them after the kasna grew a beard put on a cert [laughter] became full-fledged labas they sent their children already to labaw so that was already back to the roots >> yeah I was thinking of a different lotion but yeah that's good whatever >> it never went that far like I said there was a cash all the years my my grandfather came every year to he he wasn't aid so he would sit in and talk to fabang story that I heard from my grandfather during that visit in tonal when he was here he told me that he was in and the rabbi told him maybe add a new business to your business uh you add another line another. So he asked can I say a story in response like sure. So he said that there were two Jews who let's call him Ruven and Shim. Ruven suggested to Shim become afut and Shiman said you know what let's go to and if he thinks it's a well I'm ask him. They went to Kavim. Kav asked, "Do you have a savvar? You have like a a kettle hot water like yeah like where this is going. How many glasses of tea do you get out of that urn? Let's say 20." So the said, "What do you think you're going to add another faucet to the urn? you're gonna get out more than 20 glasses of tea. So basically the message was you're not going to make more panels. Whatever is destined is destined and you know you have your earn adding av is not going to give you more glass of tea. It's nishkai. So my grandfather answered this to the reb as in response to the reb's suggestion to open another line of business. But that he finished the story. The Reb responded, "I'm not talking about another faucet. I'm talking about another urn." [laughter] So he he opened up other lines of business. I don't know exactly what was then. He started importing wine from Isis. started to import all kinds of kosher goods from America, kum crackers and all kinds of stuff to Europe. So he he did other lines of business and he made good pan from that. Um so you know they always had they kept the sh throughout the years. So but my father and also my uncle they learned in kin and artist but then they moved to Switzerland. My uncle joined my my grandfather's business. My father did his own business and but they were they started you know they started coming to the regularly. My father actually as a ber he worked for some time here in New York by so he already was by the he was he was here for by the reb so he already had a a sh like that m direct shik was the reb himself as well but after the came to Switzerland so while there wereim business people, but they view themselves as, you know, not but just every has to make a has to there was no >> there was no there was no yet Rosenfeld came to Switzerland in tough base if I remember correctly. So in the lamids when they when my father and my uncle raised the families in in Zurich they were the labavishes there's also raaport another lobavaturer so they started a lot of things so happens to be that my father was the address of kabad labavich Switzerland meaning on our mailbox it said my father's name it said his business name and it also said um and did the Reb gave money forim was forim for as a the Reb promised then that anyone who is ready to cash the kitchen will pay them part of the expenses and symbolically the Reb gave different people money for Miffashes. never gave my father a start of 100 Swiss Franks. So, >> I have to check. There's um I saw this Jewish catalog. I think it's called the Jewish catalog. >> Mhm. >> It's like a book about Judaism. Uh today there's like a series for dummies. Maybe it would be like Judaism for dummies like you know. >> So there's like a few pages about Labavich and there pictures of the lists all of the lab representatives in the world. Yeah. >> I was looking through the list. This is like in the early lads a lot of them are there people the representatives of that area I have to check probably more than that in uh the sadics when the hatim came out so today you have hatim printed all in one book the original booklets in the back there were ads they're not printed in the books that we buy today in kahus and also on the back cover it had a list of representatives of lobavich so to speak where you can get hatamin booklets in other countries. >> Mhm. >> So in Switzerland it was my my leaking you know is his address. Yeah that's where you get hatims in Switzerland. So I guess it was already in the family. Um, so my father printed like the same booklet of Yubsukim like here in New York with you know the drawings I think was Mushnik drawings in it and had like like a paragraph written about each puzz. So my father maybe my mother together they translated it into German. They printed it and in the back every child who learns the sukim balpe should send in and contact and get a prize or something. also my parents address that that was like but it wasn't only my father it was my father and my uncle and also Michelaport they did every lak bimemer they did a huge parade for children one year they did on a ship I fell into the water of the Zurich lake was a whole para before it started we went in the morning early to set up and my father had to go and I was and fell into the water I knew how to swim But was fun. Anyways, so they although they were balab and they kept on begging the both my father and my uncle numerous times to send the go, you know, we're business light official. The Reb had his reasons why he didn't want to send initially. Eventually the Reba sent the um and they they were who were inv every time they made a big fab. So growing up in in such an environment also us children always felt we represent like we went to a school the Jewish school in Zurich was a school for alen like I had a different and I had a like over the years we had all this like a of over there all the huh it's still today >> there's only one school >> one big school from learn in that school so being and we always similar to what's children feel we represent we're not just you know we happens to be the no asurers you actually represent something and you have to do I remember when the reb came out with sephot my father sat me down Sunday you have to call all your classmates got all of them to sign up for letter in safet then we went big all the children the entire school the boy school and the girl school we signed up everyone to >> so we weren't That's the atmosphere I grew up in was atmosphere in in that way. We also had numerous uh that just came through our house. They stayed in our house different fundraisers for misters. So but these were and as a child a child growing up reading the shahim and reading heska deas descriptions of fabings in summer. So I had a very [laughter] vivid imagination. So these and they were like from Bruna. He came stayed in our house fundraised for the but just to see him daven to [clears throat] see him bench at our kitchen table such dignity. He was such a he had he held himself as such a he looked like a ish um had he also came to our house. He stayed a couple of days whatever he was just to see his face but say this the way he ded the way he learned it was just gishmach and these yeden interacted with us children. We were children but they they told us and and had a major impact on our growing up with the outlook. Um there was a Yedmul Gurvich the Masmid's son my wife's uncle Loza Guravich is his son lived in Lud and he also went around to fundra so like he came like every year through Switzerland he stayed in our house so I don't remember the story from then I heard the story later on that he passed through stayed in our house and then He would go to other places in Europe, maybe England, whatever. Then he would come to the Reb and then he would have then he would go back to one year. He calls my father from New York if he can come again to stay in our house on the way back to my father said sure. It was unusual because usually like what are you coming again? You're he's not coming to fundra again. Okay. But he didn't ask questions. You want to come anytime. He comes back to Switzerland. He This is why did he come back? He was in the and he gave the Reb report of his travels, you know, every everything that happened. And the Reb reads in his report that he stayed by Akiva in Zurich. The Reb asks him, "My father was having a hard time and my father had written to the Reb and I don't know what time before my father was in he probably told the Reb is having a hard time and the so the Reb saw my father's name. He asked how is he doing financially? So said ambassador it could be better. The reb gave a and then the reb gave to my father. my father >> and told this to him on the phone. >> He felt that that would not be the right way to go about this. He changed his ticket to come through Switzerland to tell it to my father in person. >> Yeah. >> So that's the that I grew up, >> right? >> I grew up seeing all kinds of that also came to our house. Barnstein from Bolognia. >> Why were they coming? >> Because Italy is neighboring Switzerland. >> Switzerland >> and while you were able to get already kosher stuff in Italy, but in Switzerland was a bit more established. So definitely all the goods that you can get by smurlings in the warehouse, the chocolate and the cheese and the all the imported stuff that you can get better in Switzerland. Maybe they had other reasons why they came occasionally. I don't know to meet different people. I I I know I was a child. So I but I remember was like a mus the first in in Zurich Gash Mandal was a guest speaker. It's a three-hour train [clears throat] ride. It's but he came with his son. a famous story with with Ghandal >> with with the SH that was in Switzerland. Yeah. He was speaking at an event. >> That's before my time. >> I understand >> he passed away before I was born. >> I believe the three days >> saying I understand there was a connection. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in the early years mameish of course my my za used to send packages to gelic in Italy and there was a shy the mishbas had a shik but for me as a kid seeing these I remember barnstein brought me an Italian the kabad there made a pen that had the timets you would turn the pen the timets the was I knew my timets I learned math in school. But it was cute. >> I don't know what you're talking about because >> we want Mashiah now on it in Italian. >> I only know a calculator. I don't know what what a time table is. >> It was very seeing this. It infused the homemak I'll tell you passed through our house also numerous times. He also was fundraising for the tankin. So I I remember as a kid I don't remember when the reb wasn't well. I was a little kid. How old are you? When were you born? >> I was born in Lammed Daled >> Kisliff and um was a fouryear-old kid. was so I can't really remember but I do vaguely remember that the reb wasn't well and the hashem is better but a while later I don't remember it was David was in the house and David was very good friend of my father's then and he now too but I say then not not loy but um I don't think that they saw each other recently. But you know, I I saw like he came into the house, they hugged each other. I've never seen Kush before like that was where I saw that and you know I said something I don't remember what I said. I mentioned the Reb. So David told me you mention the Reb's name. This was more mudgish as a I mean I'm sure that said but it was after it was more mish and to correct a child to tell no no no you got to say the gazun >> right >> so that's >> so this was all before I ever came to the rabbi >> but your father was going >> my father was going actually my father's business >> caused him to be in New York pretty frequently in in later years it was like once a month mish like all the time. Um in my earlier years growing up it wasn't that frequent but still it it was a few times a year that he was here and every time he came of course he didn't come just for the business. He always was by the he didn't usually stay for shabas but if it was a weekday fabbran and sometimes he stay for shabas. So I remember he would come back he would share something. I remember when he came back and he gathered all of us kids at the kitchen table that the Reb spoke about an important Indian not to have to animals. So go to your rooms and go through all your toys and chachkas and any non-cooser animals bring it here. We're gonna get rid of them. So I remember that when you know and my my father had this big in the m he would sit by the shabas table for us kids it was a little bit challenging and I don't suggest everybody do that but he would take out a kesh and read through an entire like a long >> and my father would do that like with the tune the way the rabbis said ah The only other person I saw talking that way was that with the tune like the is saying the he would sit after the soup before the next course we understood Yiddish well and you know we tried to understand and you know but he was bing I remember by my I got for my uncle a that were out then um in my father's study he had all the and every time a new would come out like I said by by my mitzvah it was 24 but all the years before that every year another came out so every time father would come back from New York with the new but he also had in his closet in in his study the booklet because till the new comes out, >> right? >> The booklets. We got the booklets in the mail usually like a week or two later, but didn't matter. The same two weeks after the Pa, who cares? My father would go through the and he would teach us the he would go through with us the >> also by the Shambas table. >> No, no, that's not by the table. And and that was so we grew up with that. I still have a but especially because that was also more he would ask us the questions and like like teach us the rashi by learning the rashi like that before my bitzvah um a year before the bitzvah in the summer always in the summer we would go to the Swiss mountains for a few weeks vacationing the one year my father gets a letter he would forward ed his mail from the city to the mountains, his business, whatever. He needs the the mail to be forwarded. One day he gets a letter from the Reb that was I mean he got numerous letters from the Reb over the years, but I don't remember what it was on what occasion. Um but the Reb wrote he's getting this in vacation time. Okay. fifth time I I remember that. But um so a year before my bar mitzvah he started teaching me the pill but got also a pill. He didn't tell me where this ple is from initially the from theb and this and that. He started teaching memor and I had to learn all these mus that I should be able to say it word for words the exact sources and then like questions and answers and that and he told me it's a from the give me the no he didn't give me the he we learned this for a few months going through the whole as a so your father >> your father's London. Okay. He likes learning. And so we went through the and only once I knew the whole back and forth then he gave me the was about before and then your first and then and he only gave him the to learn how it's so inim that you can learn already parted from the Reb straight. Then I already learned the whole from inside as well. But but I knew that as a midton f a month before my bar mitzvah he took me to Raf is a big place a pic and he he was the in the in Zurich that's where we d we didn't d in the yakasha we lived closer to that sh we d in b kabad on chabas but um during the week and Friday night when took chabas early. So we dam in the late minion with so br was like in the ka. So my father took me to invite the to the barit and to my ppull to the preview of the pill. [laughter] People used to do it by ask but it was so so I the whole ple but my father told him without the don'ter by him that you'll say by the mitzvah he'll be by the mitzvah too he'll hear it then now only the niggler part so he he was very impressed and uh he asked a question like wasims of I don't remember exactly how can there be fill in only so I I didn't know what to say my father said if Alab should put some filling with another Yid maybe it was like more like in a in a joking manner but then when he came to the mitzvah so I for 20 minutes the whole which before I started that my father used the whole mitzvah as another opportunity for for example to teach the the not to be mafik in middle of a house I prepared a long to and everybody's going to start singing after five minutes so he says >> isn't there a story with about that >> yeah when my when my brother-in-law ley got married in soy mle the rabb's mas >> for our listeners Right. >> So but when Levy got married >> when Levy got married so the Reb asked about ifas if they interrupted >> and the Reb said my was also surprised. The Reb said is not to interrupt. But the Reb said that they should >> say it again >> also do the M. So the way to do it is after you finish you start over again and then you can interrupt. >> That's that's the muker for to do that. Yeah that story. >> Yeah. Because the Reb told him to be so he typed it up and put it all over 770. That's where it comes from. >> Yeah. That that >> so when you not everyone knows about it when you finish the started again >> correct >> then interrupt and became the the >> correct >> what's the idea he says that >> the original interrupting is because of that right but what's the that's it >> so back to mitzvah. So your father >> so he he said this from the that not allowed to be. So yeah there's no interrupting. So I said the whole thing and I saidim. So the after the ppull turns to me and said you thought that I wouldn't understand. [laughter] >> Okay. So I guess that's a how to make something escabble by somebody is hold back then they're going to want it more. But that was the that was the >> it's also very interesting that um your father I mean since you weren't growing up around other and but like your father you know had the the reasons to be in New York all the time. So he kept on bringing back the very it's very interesting. So what and what other like were there hookups already at the time like >> so the hookups was like this it was very expensive to make a hookup a phone call for a few hours so not every faban we used to get from WLCC the tapes of the fabangans in the mail and my father used to listen to the whole you know faban we would hear it whatever but you would always hear the fabans in the are here there. My siblings recently we spoke about Mr. Schlom B. We were little kids. They couldn't believe that I remember some things. So, what do you mean? We went up to the mountains. We heard the whole ubang in the car and of course we I remember you know certain things were like >> right. >> Yeah. >> You remember where you were? >> Yeah. It's it stuck. Um so but occasionally there was a hookup and the hookup so we got the hookup from London from Hackner in London that that was that that's how we got it and the Anash would gather in our living room but I wasn't allowed to stay up. It was the Fabangan started when in Zurich it was like what uh 3:00 a.m. 3:30 a.m. It was it wasn't uh I was a kid. I had to go to school the next day but there was a commotion. People came into the house. The Reb would speak on a speaker in the dining room. I would wake up and like you know >> you knew it was >> take me out. Oh man. And then Negan would burst out. I would wake up again like so I would hear that uh in the background. The first hookup fab that I was allowed to stay up was also open up before the came. They opened the shabbad then the came but um I believe that he was already yeah I think he was already in Switzerland and this was me. So so that was the first time my father woke me up allowed me to be by the whole faban. Um, so I remember that there was a yeaker. He was really from a Yakish background, but he he had a shab which his father arranged for a for the but he used to d in the house but he never was by the he was already an altered. So for me the anash paid for him to go to to theb. So I remember the Reb giving out the Tanas and Reb said and so all the Anash and Zurich were like young uncle stop pushing stop pushing [laughter] just that was you know childhood memories. So there was the first time that I came to the was actually and I just saw in my house the kiss. >> Mhm. >> And I see it's the right kissman base. That was the first time I came to the for that was Tuesday. We came to New York on Sunday. The first time I saw the Reb was on Monday was before Mina. The Reb came out of the room and I will always remember that image. How I saw the Reb the first time. The reason for that is because in our dining room there was one big picture of the Reba hanging. Wasn't like the inflation of pictures like today. There was one nice picture on the wood. Uh there was a picture of aidis and the Reb is sitting with his hand on the table like that. The glasses on. It's a famous picture. But on that picture, the way the Reb is sitting and the way the Reb's beard looks, it looks like a bit narrower and longer. So I expected the Reb to look that way. Now that picture is from the midl I'm not sure exactly. This was tough and bay a couple years later and the Reb didn't look the way I expected him to look. Now I also like to doodle and draw as a kid. I used to draw pictures and this I I drew tons of pictures of the Reb in my imagination. Yeah. So I had a certain image of how the Reb looks. There weren't videos. There was no gem yet. the I mean the fabans were already uh transmitted on satellite or whatever but I never saw it. I never saw >> and I I didn't see I remember my father brought home the album HBI >> that has pictures so I I saw other pictures of the Reb but many of the pictures were also from those years and from earlier years when the Reb was young. So, um, so I didn't expect the Reb to look the way the Reb looked. The Reb came out of his room and walked into the hole. It was so surprising to me. The Reb's beard was a bit wider and shorter. So, it pushet that image is like burnt into my memory and I hope I will never forget. Among is brought to you by We live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is au we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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You can be part of through your financial support as well through visiting our website.org or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. The Reb held his sid and the gle in the in the hand. Only later did the Reb start coming into already with the Gat on him. In those years, the Reb still put the gatlan in the zo and the reb was giving out coins to all the children. Now, nobody told me, my father didn't tell me that, you know, you got to keep the coin and a different coin goes into the push. I just knew the Reb gave me a coin. And I saw kids go to the pushka, put it in. So, I got a coin from the Reb. I stood closer to Ganed Natan. And I walked to the pushka, put it into the pushka like I saw kids going putting and then I just stood there near the pushka. The reb continued giving out coins to the other kids. And when the reb came to the pushka, the reb looked at me very intently. And I was so like a this I couldn't answer. I wanted to say yeah I understood Yiddish was I grew up with Yiddish but I couldn't say the Reb didn't give me another coin I guess asked me the Reb got the answer anyways and um then the reb >> that was your uh welcome >> huh the reb put his coin into the his own coin into the pushka and then the reb went into the zal and then the door closed I didn't know to say I like I want to go in and and d with the but later I knew that by the door used to stay open [clears throat] but by after the reb would go in would >> because the reb was standing right there and look at the reb's face >> the is facing the other way >> right yeah and also it's not a it's not right it's a >> talking of which in the later years by after fabbran the lebby used to dav [clears throat] near his place by fabangan I remember the first day there was a faban which was unusual first day faban but because it was shab spoke about it by fab >> but there were no came I didn't have a mock kava then by faban anyways but somehow I ended up standing by fabangan like where the rashag used to sit like the end of the table like in that area so after the fabangan The Reb stood up and Dav M by the standender facing the crowd. Now right in front of the Reb they made like space. Everybody moved aside. Nobody stood right in front of the Reb when the Reb down. But there was no wall in front of the Reb. So >> if you're over there so so you were able to see the Reb. So everybody also down but we're able to see the like but that explains you know that helps to understand that you know of course regular day the door had to be closed. Yeah. >> Um >> so um how old were you when when you when you came to the first time? >> Oh so I I was 8 years old. My brother also came I was seven. So you kiss of me. That was the first time we came to the >> And so there's no >> there was nois we were by the faban. My father made sure afternoon Tuesday afternoon we had to sleep which wasn't so difficult because we were jetlagged anyways and the faban was a 5-hour faban. It was like a long faban. So I I don't remember of I remember that everybody stood up for the I didn't know what's going on. My father told and the Reb and I remember the Reb would clap. I I saw briefly when I glanced through the that it talks about the strong clapping. I remember that because I remember my father lifted me up and lifted my brother up to watch the rebbit clapping cuz we stood at the end of the faban be but we were sure we were kids so it wasn't as packed over there but still you know we stood on the bench this that on the video of you there's a video of the entire fabangan so only at the end of the fabangan at one point does the camera go to that corner and you can see my father and me and my father singing the snig the nigun at the end of the um so I remember my father lifting me up lifting my brother up to to watch the reb clap vigorously of the so that is also one of the images that I remember from our first visit by the rabbi that that that was the the first time by the rabb took this woman base >> after that you came more often or not necessarily that was a >> very expensive to come it was very very expensive Even my grandfather told my father like what are you taking little kids to do that they'll grow up they'll go like like who ever heard of that is it taking little kids across the ocean you know my father felt no they have to come but the next time I came was kakame >> was there a reason why your father punk decided then >> I don't know I don't know >> my father was a Utuskisliff digger. He used to come many years for Utusk, not every year, but many years he used to come and um I guess he decided to take his boys with. >> So the next time you were there, >> I'm I'm trying to think now. You asked him the question. My mother was expecting then her youngest child maybe to even the burden on her to take the two boys along. But it was mishuga expensive. So it wasn't a common thing to do. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. >> And the next time was you said uh >> the next time was Khan. So Khanek I So we came for the whole Kaneka. Um almost all Kaneka. I don't remember exactly but we were here. I remember the rally. I remember the to the I remember the fab and at that point I was already a bit older and like when I was 8 years old my father didn't teach me but when I was 11 I already learned a whole bunch of I remember the about certain I remember learning with my father um so at that point I read and I knew Yiddish so I didn't understand the whole fab But I I stood the whole fab and trying to understand as much as I could. I had a he he told my father he's only giving for me to leave school this school giving permission on condition that when I come back from the so yeah so I remember and this and my father helped me a bit and afterwards it's amazing. >> Yeah. So you know it was it was that was very was always a very >> why >> it it was weekday it was smaller wasn't tish um >> but yet people came >> and people came and the way the reb stood turned to the crowd looking at the candles looking at the crowd looking in the cider it was a very intimate feeling with the reb that that's how I felt maybe because I came and hey the next time I came so >> and you see in the video something special about has like sings like always yeah it was very >> I even noticed even after bum bum starts making his hands >> me was I I have so me is the First time I came, like I said, I remember seeing the Reb the first time as he walked out. Remember the Reb asked me a shimbakum ascent and a few images of the fabangan. >> Mhm. >> The mimer, the clapping of the hands, the as in the background, but you know, we were kids after the fab. We were there for 5 hours for long fabangan and you know finished I don't know 2:304 to 3 fabangan ended. We were hungry when my father took us on Kingston Avenue. The pizza store was open. We had pizza at 3:00 a.m. I don't know how many Crown Heights kids had that experience to stay up a whole fab at that age. 8-year-old boys and then to go eat pizza on Kingston Avenue, [laughter] but >> I have a family member that I think there was a dilemma. Her kids associated going to the Reba with pizza. >> So, no, I didn't associate. >> No, it was a big dilemma. We were just hungry and my father didn't know. I wasn't going to do it with us. >> She it was bothering her that this is the association but she was told it's okay like that uh they know what the is. >> You remind me of numerous occasion he made that point. You gobb and you see the You come back and [snorts] you know why that happens? Because from 77 to which was then on Troy Avenue Gate Kingston Avenue, this guy guy buys a pizza and this guy buys an ice cream. This guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy buys a candy and by the time you reach the of the gilus is gone. So Um, so and you said the third time you came on. >> Yeah. >> So you're already after mitzvah. >> Yeah. >> Where were you learning? You were >> so I learned still in Switzerland. My barit was in the plan that after my bar mitzvah, my father's going to send me to yeshiva. No more elementary and all this even if it's the middle of the year. But The plan was at the end of the year bin wasn't an option. Wasn't on the table at the time. I don't know exactly why >> for whatever reason. >> For whatever reason. And um although we knew as a little kid, I always dreamt I'm for sure going to go to Bruna because Rushia Kmanson used to come to our house once a year and of course I'm going to go to Rush and [laughter] you know I I was a little kid. My father I never discussed my father. That's what I thought. My father never thought that. My cousin went to learn in London, the MK in London in the yeshiva. My father sent me to now he would have sent me already in the beginning um like middle of me or something like that or the end of me healthish that two months after my baritzvah I had a skiing accident. Growing up in Switzerland, everybody grows up on skis. Just mikatnus. [laughter] So I went skiing from seven years old, eight years old. I I was a good skier. I was able to ski but had a bad fall and the way I fell was in a in a broke my hip. >> Wow. >> I ended up six weeks in the hospital, eight months on crutches and then I needed physical therapy to learn how to walk normal again. So when that ordeal was over, I was finally ready to go to yeshiv. So but beforehand my father took me to the that was and after I went I went to so middle of the year I joined the middle of the year. Um so I said every night >> that was a Hakil maybe could be that it was because of was a big I remember sukis already in Switzerland me and my brother we made kinhak in Zurich and we made like the cards for hakla we got the algam my grandfather was a a monu of the algoral so in algal there was the ad for the hakl and the cards. So I took it from there. I copied it, typed up my own. We made cards for hak. We were kids. >> We were written up in the magazine. >> Me and my brother made a kinus hackle for children in the Kabad in Zurich. Go find the Gillian, the old Gileian. Um it shows you that we were like into things. And um I came here to the lab the first night. >> It reminds me that uh that the lab is written up in that when was a kid. >> Yeah. was was far away from from that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But he a good it's a good thing you know. >> Yeah. Sure. Sure. So, so the first after the came down was giving out pllock of dollars to the tankist. [clears throat] I didn't view myself as a tankist or whatever, but but I stood there for the right by the edge of the reb. So, as soon as the reb came down, everybody pushed forward and I landed as a right in front of the Reb like by the table. So the Reb is holding a peckle of dollars and the Reb looks at me. So I nodded. Yeah. I'm not sure that I understood even what the Reb said. But um but later on and I was like am I a tankist? Am I going? But then I remembered that on Sukis the Shalak made a suka mobile. Mandy Rosenfeld made a suka mobilebile and where we very we were very much involved. We went with the sukmobile. We did malula. We put up the signs on the suk and everything. So decided okay so I didn't like and that was an interaction that I had mran and shab faban was a long faban. I remember at the end of the it was like I don't remember if it was me. >> Maybe it was both of them. I'm almost sure that middle of the winter. >> Yeah, it's winter and it's a so spoke the and the rashi and already also was and the fabang was a long fab. So that I remember that you know ending the fab there was afterwards and there was the end of which again for us my father already had experienced that I have never experienced that so that like a unique uh >> so you ended up going to Teras there's other people there besides Israelis in terms is then were not init. They were in Yiddish >> because you're shal. >> Yeah. And that's why my father sent us there cuz I didn't speak English. My cousin >> in Yiddish he >> sent overseas that far wasn't on the table. >> Mhm. >> It has to be around Europe. So my cousin went to England. He spoke English in in their home. They spoke English. I didn't speak English. So my father and to bind didn't want to send us at the time. Brimma wasn't as it became in later years more popular then it was very quiet. So he sent us to where the sh were in Yiddish. That's how was chosen. >> And how long were you there? >> I was there meas really at the end of me. I wanted that was the end of I didn't want to continue shikis. I wanted to come to already um but the yeshiva in terms had closed down the z for a couple of years. That year for toughon they reopened the zal and they begged us the hal begged us to stay. Meaning they they beg the not saying the were and learning they wanted a good group of baklim to open the zist the majority of the class went to kakabad you know kids who grew up in terasm is elementary and then through masa shikana they didn't enough that they wanted to move out so they went to fakabad so the majority of my class actually went to fakabad a bunch of stayed in Teras and I didn't want I wanted I wanted to go to the to go to Huh. >> They're all Israelis these class. >> Yeah, most of them. There were there were there were a few there were like two guys from Montreal Kazikuru there were some >> majority >> but the majority were Israeli guys. And um so I told my father I want to go to New York. I I want to go to the Reb. I want to learn the Reb, you know. My father was very nervous. Why? Because my father didn't know exactly what's going on here in New York. He didn't know about all. He only knew 770. Every time he come came to 770 he saw Bakim hanging out outside smoking smoozing it didn't he didn't have a good that this is a a place to send the baka to learn >> he was very very nervous but he didn't tell me that that's the reason I didn't know that that's the reason and I said what do I mean I want to go learn the I want to be by the tishes I came for sukus my father took Me and my brother because I had my skiing accident the year before. So my father was nervous. Hakus was pushing and this actually my father me and my brother Meakoff we stood in the hole where the scanim stood >> the mime >> was like moved over and in the corner where the women usually stood where the scan >> that's where I was by a >> who let you in. My father arranged it talking about Vamada came for the rally. Every bench had designated two boys from Switzerland. Where are they sitting? So my father sat us down on one of the benches. Very soon you can't sit here. Mocking kaba came one of them. Bad mada came over. What's going on? My father told them two boys coming from across the street the sea to hear hear the reb you better let us sit and they got all us l we were the the boys who actually listened from beginning to dance to the rebel gave out lollipops to the kids so they should become kids were playing and Switzerland boys forget about it this is the reb We had assembly in school. The principal would speak to the entire school or Rabonim that came to visit. I remember the Boston Reb. I remember the Rafran from Tel a Viv Ravl came. So he spoke to the whole school. You couldn't hear a peeps whatever the 15 minutes they gave a speech or whatever they spoke about but the edits for the I couldn't believe the scene >> it called culture shock >> culture shock I couldn't believe this concept talking while the reb is talking it's playing under the tables and this and and even me as a kid I thought to myself and they need to sit here and and we had to fight for our seats. [laughter] >> But yeah, whatever. >> The Reb spoke very strongly to the kids that were uh making noise that one time the Reb addressed it. So I heard that afterwards there was like a whole campaign to in the schools like still. >> Yeah. Like like >> you mentioned that my father Mez, he had to come to New York. He had to come, but he he didn't. He the whole family was in Switzerland and I was still on crutches. So he came here, he saw what's going on every night. This was it was the reb was [laughter] like 15 years younger. It was I wasn't here but everybody talks about this and my father saw it. He saw he he he kished to stay. He like he had mamish a hard time to leave back for Switzerland for some but he did um he had a flight that night. So he was by the rally >> that rally >> and he had to go catch a flight and the reb starting another and that was the my father was on you know he waited he waited but he came back I remember he he was talking in the house to the anatis just of his experience of the last few days by the reb and he he push had tears in his eyes because he's going to have to go that that he didn't stay for but he told right then he told my mother that night next we're by the meaning him and the boys the year after he took the girls also he took the whole family for >> so you were there >> so we came took us first we flew to New York we were here till after so the first hak is that I was to see by the was tough test and I had a good spot right there. So the the first and seven takov I wasn't able to see everybody stood up and we we climbed up onto the rabbis be but all in the middle of the show. Yeah, but it was hard to see. But the all the hakus posh this was agilus. I I never saw the reb like that dancing clapping the mo ponyim looking around to everybody and making like thisman. The Rebi greeted people like this like motion to people like all these kind of and and the whole the was out of this world that's that's I already saw the reb a few times by then but still that that was hak and then hak as well. So I I think we got into this because you're in the middle of >> Oh, good. >> saying how you're um so you wanted to go to >> Yeah, I wanted to go to So So my father said, you know, the Reb always says let me go speak with us. What do you mean Dan? Of course he's going to say that I need to stay. They are begging us to stay. I don't want to talk to >> love how nothing changed. By the way, >> I'm thinking about my experiences in Yeshua similar. So my father told me go speak to the basel seal. He was but he had you know is connected to and my father had a seal. Why? >> When you come to Switzerland >> because when I yeah but but that was already when I was in not when I grew up travels around. It was because of my father and because of the reb >> what happened was >> my father when when we learned in so my parents came occasionally to Israel to visit us so I don't remember what faban it was there was something like that maybe inad and my father was there and he heard he watched the fabbran and my father said to himself first that type is perfect for the amum in Europe and Zuricham they would love this style of fabangan so my father told yusevich the next day I heard the fabanga of yul sego I think that you should send him to fund raise He never did fundraising. It wasn't his thing. But Shia wrote this to the Rebia Yuzich wrote to the Reb that uh from Switzerland is Matsia as the Reb answered circle my father's name or whatever he wrote. >> That was it. So, >> so then he came to Switzerland, but I wasn't there when he was in Switzerland. >> So, his whole career >> after that every year came, I've seen him in various places that I've been in whatever he came and yeah, it's all because of that. >> All because of that that started it. So, my father told me go speak to Yel Seagel, you know, discuss with him convinced me to stay another year in was a good year. We learned well and I feel bad that I could have had another year by the but >> it was a gishmak year. >> This was toughon. >> Mhm. And now there was a group of >> I was about to ask that this probably how they group >> this were the group of cameess. These were heavy duty mandimov leverog. No, >> I missed out somebody I think. But these were they as much as that I had before they so like before. So I I said I don't have where to stay. If I can't go for Rashan to New York, where will I stay? So Mendel oh him I didn't mention how menhane said you'll stay in my parents house me and my brother so I told my parents we want to go for tish to New York so my mother was a little bit upset are you got to come home but basically told her listen at that point I wasn't a little boy anymore >> I I didn't have money so I still needed my father to pay for the ticket. So, so my father >> didn't teach you how to bring a suitcase of electronics. That was a that was a mechanism >> that wasn't on the table. No. And and my my father decided then, okay, so let them go for Rashashana already kipper and him and my mother and the girls will join for sukus. They stayed in the Plaza Hotel in uh Crown Crown Crown Street. Yeah. But me and my brother stayed by and I'm thankful for to them because first of all I had a place in the basement where to sleep but also the whole was a whole bunch of boys. [snorts] They showed me the ropes. They told me, you know, this was first time that I was a whole tishb, >> right? >> So, you know, everything they all they they helped us out and telling us where to be when and the marsh and the and the I knew about these things, but they helped us and got us in. It was very very good. We we had a time that in their home actually one of the the got engaged that year. I remember when my parents came to they thanked them hosting us you know you know was so the whole you know I gained that year into >> exposure >> it was very good but at the end of the year I said okay that's it was nice one I got to go to the Reb. My father here already. My father told me why he's hesitant. I go I come I I see hanging out. That's when his hesitation is. So I I already knew. I told him I'm not going to 770. I'm going to say what is all? He didn't know. So I told him next time you're in New York. At that point he came almost monthly to New York for business. Next time you're in New York was then Troy >> and the doors there were like two flapping doors and they had like >> a window cut >> cutout windows. the Mandav just a square like a like a diamond shaped >> and my father came immitten there was no faban the night before was a full zitting my father was blown away [laughter] he was joking But I said you're going to you can go and that's when I came. >> I think when people bring people to Crown Heights and walking around they want to show up [laughter] as the way it works. >> Okay. Okay. >> So I came now when I was here by the reb as a kid. So my father took us with him as a guest. They let him stand you know near my future mylarski vian klein like in that corner they always were like guests standing there. Um so I stood there but when I came like let's say tishon I was on my own. So every faban but I just squeezed in somewhere and I didn't hear not one faban I didn't have a place in >> no place. So I I tried to ask him in like how do you get a place where you can actually always have your place and you can't get you have to be for kids came the first shabin I went to the area where my future stood I was I ate there a lot on shabos and because he also used to come to us. >> Romesh was a guest in our house many times. I remember him in our childhood. He didn't stay in in our house like some of the other guests. He usually stayed in the hotel, but he used to come eat by us and Fabang missed my father. So, so, you know, I wasn't scared to go right there and try to squeeze my my way in there somewhere. So I came there. So there were some other people like behind the rabbi the bench there were like the aftersons lipkers. There was a a few families who who stood there in that corner stood there and and I just like squeezed in into the corner over there like behind the le there's like the pole and like in that corner I just squeezed my everybody started to protest. Who are you? What is this? talking about like by the the air conditioning vent situation >> where now there's a door to go into the aas noshim. Yeah. So I I everybody started like bing like who is this? What does he think he's doing? Who are you? What? So I said I'm standing in my father's place. [laughter] You need a bit if without some you wouldn't make it. >> So they said B your father doesn't have a place here. when he comes. There's a place he has a place. So I I turned to each one over there. One second. Am I disturbing you? I made it personal. The next me standing here bothers you. Like how am I bothering you? There was no pushing in that corner. It was there was room. Yeah. Yeah, when there were a lot of guests, they over there got very packed because all of those people like my father or my uncle, they all got to squeeze in there. But it was pretty comfortable standing there. So I like like am I disturbing? What does it bother you? Let me stand. So everybody felt uncomfortable. Yes, that you know you got to get out. Nobody said that. >> That became your place. That became my place. Next is >> you able to see >> the end of that olive. My brother and my cousin came to I was already they stood with me at that point. I needed can't just bring them. So I made a contraption. And I took a few um milk crates and I made like a whole contraption over there, a few steps which actually the people there appreciated. So now became a stickle mativ over there but was more comfortable but I had my brother and my cousin. >> What do you mean the military for what for the other people? for for them and and for us. So like that it didn't disturb so much because it was in the corner but it was a raised platform made a whole >> So every Fabian would bring this >> every Yeah. had it with a chain tied up in the of 770 by the tash >> with a number lock before Fabangan slept in the boxes. every nonf was able to hear every single fab. See the from >> you could see >> from the side. >> Yeah. Yeah. From the backside. >> Backside but not much the back. It was pretty much the side. Yeah. >> And you were higher than everyone else. >> Yeah. So I had a good place now gave me a that I was able to do. So between the I would say >> to write right away >> right away I would say >> to who? >> To the around and >> the older people than you. >> Yeah. People who didn't hear so well, people who couldn't follow the whole time. >> So So everybody started appreciating that I'm standing there that between the you get like a recap of what the >> I have a question for you. >> Mhm. >> You already knew the sign like from hookups >> from childhood. From childhood. Like I said, I I heard the Reb in my house on the tapes, the WLCC tapes that came. It was playing all the time. So the sign was mish and had no problem. >> You showed up and you started doing this this whatever for the people. Was that a common thing that in different corners the people doing? >> I don't know. [clears throat] I don't know. I'll tell you. talking about first night of sukus the rebb would say downstairs in the sh and then the reb would say in the suk to greet the now usually like like kazal say whoever sees this doesn't see that it couldn't be but I decided so I heard the downstairs and this is before this >> yeah yeah yeah Um I think it was maybe it was nonf I have to look up the and I ran right after the finished before the reb left the shul I started already pushing it was a huge pushing crowd to hear the in the front but I pushed through the crowd and I went to the back to the steps that go to the in the corner of in the meantime the reb had already gone upstairs gone out the front door, gone into the suka. Now, I didn't know where in the suka the Reb is saying the Sikh. I had no idea. I came from the back of the suka, like from the union side, and there were there were like tables blocking the entrance to the suka. So, I clicked under the table, and I hear the Reb's voice, and I come up from under the table, and I see. So, I right away went right under the table again. But the Reb stood on that table. That was like the stage. So I was able to hear the whole Sikh. It was a short. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They walk all the way to there. >> Yeah. >> There's steps for the Reb to go up. >> Mhm. Yeah. Not always. And they tried one year to do it in the front. I I don't know. But that was the only time. >> So you're about to pop up right in front of the Reb basically. >> No. The Reb stood a little bit further to the left, but right next to Kakov, so I know, oh, the Reb is here. So I right away ducked back under the table but I was able to hear the whole and then I went to Kotlask's house for in the suk. So asked me if if I can from the everybody tried to who heard the who? So I I from the sh and and then I said and then the reb said in the the everybody's looking at me like how do you know what the reb said in the suk? I like [laughter] that that was a funny experience. >> Um, was the Khazara was the stuff ever formalized? Did he ever do anything? >> No. >> Like he wrote stuff like >> Yeah, that that was for eight weeks. There's a in Florida. So rebikovski wrote the rad the rash >> you're talking about when >> no base and he wrote the good the rad was excellent but the rad was so felt also was a bach he wasn't sure I was in sh but in I wasn't sure gimble he he left then I don't remember um but we felt in Yiddish sometimes we want to preserve that. So it was and Zaklovski and Rafin from Cran Heights and myself we will get together m Shabis. So the wasab and me and Zaklovski also remembered was more to type it and print it and copies and sell the copies to the built for eight weeks. We did that. >> Who was writing it? >> Yeah. would write it and I would make my haggo and Leah Zaklowski threw in some hag and and till it became advash we knew that we became an official Zach and Pash's buddy the reb spoke about Saddam Hussein and then Reb said to take it out of the not to print it >> said Saddam >> label runner was working on tracking down those you all the he needed to tell them also don't write it up. We had written it up a but we didn't type it. We didn't publish it. Only in later years it was found and typed up. >> You want to say you want to say >> huh? >> You want to say you'll find it on different uh websites that have all these uh anis and you can find it over there. Um and it was those shabosim were graded good shabosim to do that because there was a certain individual who was matric on on amisro in that winter of nonfur during the gulfavis. But then for the next three the fired and the the reb on the kit was immense and from the point from the place where I stood by fab actually you were able to see how the reb's hands were moving during the blal the reb sat usually there are exceptions that I wasn't there but I heard different times times during the parasim and other times the reb put his hands on top of the table but usually was under the table but throughout the the entire the Reb had his hands on his legs close to his knees and the Reb had like this rhythm that he would bang his legs the entire you could see this >> you could I could see that the whole time I don't know if this is visible on the camera the >> you see sometimes a tablecloth moving. >> Yeah. Right. Because the Reb would do that. >> Mhm. Yeah, but sometimes the Reb made one time was during that I don't remember now which which of the three Shabbos this was the Reb said I I I think it was maybe it was I don't I don't remember um but when said these words So the under the table you're able to see that from anybody who stood behind and from the side we're able to see that. Another thing that the Reb the entire Fabangan the Reb would not sit leaning on the back of the chair by Trillis. Yeah. And also after Fabangan in the summer after would sit down. The Reb would lean back more on the chair but Faban the Reb would sit on the edge of the chair. Now you try to sit like that for a little while is not so easy especially a whole fab and at the Reb's age in those years now if no base so under the table there was a footrest but on the footrest the Reb's knees and shins were resting because the Reb sat forward on the edge of the table on of the chair so his legs were like resting against that footrest one chabas I don't remember now which chabas It is the Reb mentioned in the Reb is saying that the Reb is lifting up one leg, putting it on the footrest. These are things that you were able to see from that vantage point. Interesting. And I I'm talking talking um Shabis there was Thursday Friday and then Shabas Shabas braces there was two Fabangans the second Faban I think after the first I don't know maybe after the second the Reb took out his glasses from the pocket and open up the sidar and the Reb put on his glasses I right away saw is opening up and talking about that chabas two days Friday the next morning you know at that point how Many people were still the reb of course tell him. The Reb walked into the shaw. If there were 250 people in the sh that's a lot. It was empty. The shul was empty. The whole back of the sh was empty. Everybody stood in front near the ardesh crowding around there waiting for the rabbit to enter. I happened to stand near the [clears throat] near the beam of kashater. I stood over there. The rabbi came in. The whole back of the sh is empty. The guy were still busy cleaning up. They were turned over benches and whatever. They were cleaning up on the side. Now they broke through there. There used to be bathrooms downstairs. >> Under the Vel. >> Yeah. Under the Vel. And in front of the bathrooms there was like a hole and there were like doors. So in front of those doors there was a bench and there was a big thing with coffee and an open box or two open boxes of misenesis the Vati used to put out that walked in it was quiet in the sh Yeah. in the front a few guys started singing but it was everybody was ploing you know be happy you made it 8:30 till everybody was so exhausted after two days of so the singing was like very >> subdued and the reb walked in the reb was the reb was looking around looking at the go cleaning then the reb looked at the coffee and the misanas as he was walking as a into the shul checking out the the scene and the reb kept on walking and even he came to the front he wasn't the reb went up the stairs put down his tim and then the reb turned around and the reb was like just a few times but basically waking up the whole I felt gave up for all those that actually made it to till on time >> they got got something special a special uh that was a beautiful experience. Another thing that I remember is under the table was Shabas the Reb one of the like like him keeper and the Reb was counting with his fingers under the table like closing one thing another counting like the the way the Reb would count >> and but again under the table the majority of the didn't see that it's Just another >> said like unhav time. Yeah, >> sometimes. Yeah, some of the times I think. >> I have a question about the the um so you come that's when you're there and listening to all the you know live. >> Mhm. The signing changed a lot those years like I mean I mean I know myself that I can [clears throat] watch and listen to it's a lot more challenging to follow the sus maybe could maybe explain that a little bit. First of all, the sedar that existed before was every that whole seder stopped before I came already. I mean I remember that from my childhood visits by the reb but tenon that was already not the case for a few for a while. Um, the shabas fabans were a little bit more how should I say a weekday sometime because you can only listen to a weekday. can't listen to right there was no more I meant there were no more weekday fabans after and um [clears throat] so by faban it wasn't exactly like the weekday it have a bit more structure but it was similar at least at times where the rebba would my father called it The Reb is speaking in Telegram style like a and you need to be able to connect to get the and the Reb would repeat in the tons of times and indeed if you look back in from all the years you understood better what the Reb's points are. The Reb is building on top of cultidis and all his fabans from the years before. 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You can have the set. Go to.org/ org/our days. Order your set today and start living with >> um I saw that um I learned all the >> Mhm. not in the B like the facts of the theski. So I can't compare the but I seen the weekday what they'll do is they'll add like a line like just just like connecting words. Yeah. Just adding a three >> to give it to lend it some more structure. >> Just just so you understand what the deb is trying to do with the flow. Yeah. Basically right. So shabbran you also had to do it but a little bit less the reb because the rebba sat down for a fabbran and the rebb spoke longer week sometimes was 10 minute 15 minutes 20 minutes was half an hour sometimes it was short also but the reb spoke a little bit more but still it was challenging to halt cup and remember everything. Um and often times t also to push to understand sometimes you know I was able to repeat whatever said not necessarily did I get okay so what's the connection what's later in the week when when the mug came out so okay so that gave it more of course was mug was more structure to but there were exceptions there were exceptions um I remember that was a weekday and the spoke book like years before that I explained each one. So that was like and also the last >> the first was over an hour and the reboke built up there's a built of course of that and spoke that way. It it was like >> when you read the >> very unusual >> Yeah. to suddenly hearing and it was an amazing experience to to be by such a fab and um you know as as the you know would have loved if all the were that way but you know the that's it you know that's how it how it is. On the other hand, all of a sudden in those years, there's certain that the Reba spoke like very clear like the Mashiah like spoke like very very to the point very >> right >> like very strong atheist at the at the same time >> I see usually in those didn't speak up as >> no but no sometimes the rabbi could start explaining an Indian and like without the whole then that that that if you don't know the >> it's hard coming to it was a week and spoke you know at the time until I heard explain what you know it was hard to to understand and then all of a sudden when it comes to the right mashiach very clear. I mean I don't know take the most famous example >> every child can understand what the Reb is saying right like >> sure >> it's a you're saying also spoke about that should come down and be mislablished here and from here going to these areas later that became the bosses of the count but I remember hearing the words from the rabbi that I don't remember the exact words now should first come down here and be llavish in 770 and from here go toesh I mean this you would think to hear the say that that was amazing. That was indeed very very unique. >> I can imagine that after the Fabangans what most of the picked up was those type of that the Reb was using and that was like the am I wrong? Am I right? Most [clears throat] of the first had to be hear what the Reb speak because the majority of the in they couldn't hear the >> Reb even those that sat right in front of the Reb a little bit to the side and that was it. the whole side in the bleachers and and they weren't able to hear the sometimes the Reb raised his voice a bit so they heard or they heard words they heard the end of a they couldn't follow a at all on Shabas and you know I didn't have the challenge to stand like that after you know of course and just looking at the Reb for those two hours, 3 hours. Of course, you stood by fab, but I'm sure that this this wasn't a pushet thing to come week after week every single shabas and not be able to hear. >> I heard from others your age that they started creating new places then like under the tables and here >> and one of them was telling me that the place that he created he was only able to hear, >> right? But that was that was a decision like I'm not gonna have to see but at least I could hear everything >> right >> then >> I'll see the rebling I'll see the you know at other times but I want to hear what the rebba because all the years when the rabb is speaking projected >> stronger the didn't even do that >> yeah was more difficult that's that's the >> but the speak a little louder than than than a weekday or not necessarily. >> I I can't know because in weekday there was a mic. Um Tish the Reb raised his voice more by the Shabas fabans. The Rebbit made an effort because I remember there was blal more rash in overall 770 because there were more people. automatically there's like this this hum over the crowd. So it didn't get as quiet as Shabas. Um but I was still able to hear every word from the Reb and and the Reb you were able to tell that the Reb is raising his voice which reminds me the Reb used to say the sukus in the front of the Shaw. So they wanted the reb should sit. So they created a bridge from the front. >> That was the reason they wanted to be able to hear >> that they wanted to hear is what they told the Reb. >> Mhm. >> The was their was I mean maybe the was both the if the Reb stands in the middle of the show then of course more people would hear. If the Rev is standing in the corner, everybody's pushing towards the corner, but how many can hear um if the Reb stands by his fabang in place. So then, but also the cab was that the Reb should maybe sit because the Reb had then something by his foot and which I I didn't know exactly what's going on and later I heard and found out things. But so they wanted that should sit. So they created with with plywood a bridge from the front of the shaw to the faben beim after the dling reb walked across and the reb came to his place and there was a chair there. So the reb asked where is the rebb didn't want to sit down like a fab wasn't fab. So the Reb ended up saying the was supporting himself holding his fists of on the table which actually made it difficult for the Reb. The Reb's knuckles turned white. You were able to see this was a strain. I I I stood mish near the Reb like three four people. Everybody stood close to them. Not not like Fabang where there was more space. Everybody stood you can see there's a there's a video of Shab Everybody stood close. I I stood very close and I heard those also but I was able to see the whole time how the effect on the Reb's hands and that was uh the next night they just brought brought the stander there. So the Reb said it already by a stander. Um yeah >> meanwhile the next day the Reb stood for hours watching everyone. >> That was incredible. came sukus in the morning the reb would come at I don't remember exactly what time 8:15 8:30 to shakul in the suka then would give out the d so if you wanted to be there early so that you can be 10:00 in the shul with the reba already shook the rebul so so there was a system with with numbers you you got tickets so >> someone just sent me a picture of of a number of a ticket >> and he sent me >> I I stood online. I I was from the first uh 150 200 guys. So So we stood like already in line like by the Tashlik area >> and then Shushk is going around the Reb is there the Reb is there and nobody understood well what do you mean the Reb is there? We couldn't see we were outside the suka. The Rebi is there and slowly people like heard the Reb is standing there while people are going through it was like you know you prepared you learn but the Reb himself should stand there and you had to say [clears throat] um but when I turned into the suk I I tried to see how is the Reb staying how is and the Reb actually stood like a little bit leaning back and the Reb didn't look strict answer cook it was like a loving Reb looked as each one I only saw like two three people before me but I saw how standing watching it was very very unique. He didn't often see the Reb that way. Usually in public the Reb was always very serious. You would see the Reb smile. The Reb smiled. The whole 770 lit up. I remember the the to Russia came back. I don't remember exactly when it was. So it was Yeah, it was they stood there near Kadesh and like came in the Reb gave a smile. It was like it it was upon him. One time I saw the Reb smile at Zman Jaffy that that wasn't common. Most [clears throat] times at least in in in those years the Reb was usually very serious and after Davin the Reb would turn around and cook and here the Reb stood very galas naz and the Reb ended up standing there for hours and hours around six hours. It's hard to understand. It's like um the Reb walked down to sh M and then asked the Reb if you should go get the schlappalis >> very writes from the about it was a talis by the time it was over it was like like close to 6:00 we everybody ran to make kdes and soon you had to come back already for maid second night of yontiff that that was a so all those that came and shuckled luliff at 11 at 12 at 1 yeah I was done [laughter] I was after shuckling lulv at 9:00 had a whole day sat in the sukim you didn't know when is this going to end when is it ever going to go Damn to start damning before the >> What was that saying then? >> No, >> nothing. It was just >> it was a fact. >> A fact. That's it. Because people in hindsight people >> hindsight but at the time >> nobody people started saying you know that in the earlier years that was actually so so that I heard some of the alter talk about that that he used to go into but okay fine but but that's not to say that for years now what happened now even then it wasn't like this wasn't like that the stood and watched everybody the stood and and learned the Reb did other things. that didn't watch >> those years when you look when you watch the videos and you there seems to be like a an urgency by the rabbi but were you able is that what you were feeling then or this was we all know in hindsight because he >> no not only in hindsight look many people didn't pay attention to certain things anybody who had a little bit Anybody who had a little bit of headish felt uneasy. It's not like worried, but the there were some things [cough] that were unusual. Marshall, the said like and the said by pay like like that that wasn't usual. The pay stood for Like now of course that we didn't understand at the time that only when the was affected we then about that but already at the time was like what does that mean like what is that that was now I didn't hear the because I stood at my hakaf's place already which was closer to the center of the sh to see the first and But afterwards heard what the Reb said and like not sure what it is. Nobody knew exactly how to explain it but that's what the Reb said. Then later the Reb said so the Reb was dragging [clears throat] his foot a bit. So the Reb is talking about the gaz of maybe that's what what it is >> people right away said that >> yeah yeah [clears throat] we got an answer from the for it there was there was a >> wasn't there also a thing about the about of then [clears throat] I think >> I don't remember exactly what um >> but um the whole winter of nonbase starting already from Shabasak Shabasak the Reb spoke about the heav and one of the kishan that the Reb stressed is that it says Gulf and the Reb started using the term Rio the Reb started saying that one fabang another like what is this every started talking about time again and again you know if somebody just didn't think and didn't listen he didn't realize butim started being concerned about that there wasn't concern and then came the of so that just raised the antenna and then came the Reb started speaking almost every single night. And what was the Reb saying? Every night the Reb spoke about at that point you had to be mamed not to realize that there is epis that need to be in this battle. Now nobody expected to happen. No everybody was were living with Yeah. the whole Yeah. at the same time. So we we didn't think that was something's going to happen to the and that because you know that are some now we were aware that the reboot is not perfect on the foot and this and that. So you know the devil would come into schul and sometimes the deb would like sway a little bit as he was walking. So it was visible. You were able to see certain things. So okay. So the is talking about a group body. Nobody expected the what happened but but that there was an unease and that something is in the air. Yeah. Picked up picked up on that at the time. So So there was a a big um other happened. So, so that's when we realized okay that's >> you hear that after >> yeah yeah I I went on to bin in toughen on base on base we actually got dollars from the rebut kinsky asked the reb that is going on to he came out he gave us dollars for each of us we we went on the night when the Reb came out the last time on the porch that that's when we flew to BMW. >> So Nandal Nandal >> beginning of Nundal Nandal. [clears throat] >> So what do you want to say about that? and we have no I'm saying >> there's much when we after a special all the yeshivas together we made Magalo and all kinds of things like that. Sho was so >> from beforehand was already building up tishimo. >> So, so it still happened. And there was a big parade tanks and we made personally I worked together with Alen Silverberg on the cave all so it was a nice safer that came out. I remember we worked through the night to have it ready for Alf also the years before we made but you know these were the things that mapt and it added a special because everything is done [clears throat] I don't know how controversial I should go But what what was the Reb's expectation of of [clears throat] I remember in the in that winter of non [clears throat] starting already from invia started as a So the there were a lot of u you know ideas in yonim and that you have to write into the leb that you're accepting the as melamia. So [laughter] all was also getting into that there was a whole tamula made that one night all the bakham should come with speak the shabas and uh there's going to be dashes from different mashim and everybody's going to sign a kabala and remember bashite that there was freedman and also Rabbi Galitzki a lang they were uncomfortable with that person wants to add his of course you'reid you and and yesterday you you weren't he wasn't your melik like >> like what changed what changed we need to do this it's he felt that Not only that this is not something appropriate it's like what are you writing to the such a thing it was like as young ah what do they understand what do they but um there was this big and everybody was all excited And then nothing. They were they were looking and waiting is the Reb going to be they wrote to the Reb the holy sh got together and was a big and this and everybody no answer went every day to label's office no answer no answer and there was no answer no from the rabbit You look in how the Reb spoke with the whole of Mashiach don't change right after already the Reb answer I think was to I spoke clear by Fab and this was even before the Reb said to learn Mashiach mitzvah this is no new mitzvah latakis was what what are you going to do to bring msiah it doesn't mean to we need to come up with one more gimmick and that's going to bring mashia >> remember once spoke >> when I was in yes maristan and they had questions and answers and there was a whole community there so there was men and women obviously >> but there were they were sending there were questions is being sentenced. So, one of the women sent in a question that said, "Do all you can to be mashiach." >> So, what what else is left? She >> So, your said, >> but but where did I see that strong? So, I I I was close to Galitzki. I I was working in harim and which reminds me a few things that one fab the reb mentioned about goal is that we don't say because so and the best way how to accomplish that is if you conclude if the concludes it quietly so then there's no answering so somebody wrote If that means that we need to change our said this by fab and shabis but is that the [snorts] says it loud nobody answers and we start >> you say with >> you say with the y so I remember I was a so I wrote that what the rebel said I'm thinking about it Now [laughter] the reb is good chance going to see this because the reb would read her what the rebi meant but yeah I was young and I didn't have so much uh so I wrote it had to pass Raf Galitzki's approval so I wrote that that what the rebu doesn't mean that the minute changes because of that the reb was talking in concept. So this Indian the best way how to accomplish it is it's not our mic but if says it quietly then you you cannot answer that's just you know it's an Indian get so I remember is looking at okay yeah he let it go it was printed that way in there was no from the anything but just I'm thinking back to that today you know >> on the other hand though the did say let's say nes is the said that there must be that there's something different that we need to do that we didn't do till now. So, so, so the Reb spoke to exclusively to when after you would think, you would expect that whole summerbas after and days as well. And now he's talking to the you would expect that for the also he's gonna talk so what was the talking to the about for half an hour long unusual >> a half an hour the talking about to the extent what is the want from inon base nothing else than what he wanted from the bakar in and what's what is mashiach what is mashiach some people have all kinds of images childish images that that's what they imagine mashia is gilus msiach is what does that mean that's exactly so from has no excuses for him. Straight mashiach, right? Even even the said that all of the should be permitted with audim exactly what did the say about that is talking to every year saying that's outdated what are you talking about what are we back in suddenly there's no There's the same if you want you can see it in another as well theb inf those who were here in those years h have something that the that were by the rebb in all the other years don't have and that is a a bookshelf of and they got from theb gave out a whole >> library >> library tany kit of all the came out. Okay. But the Reb gave out his cont. The Reb said spoke that this is not meant to what is and how to implement it in our lives. And then some of the Reb gave aunt base three of the freed of base are deepm that's that's a everyone can learn gave out This is a deep huscid. There's no other and that is mashiach. You learn the rabbis. You learn that. Now, of course, I'm not saying that's like they said about the cats and Of course, the Reb wanted but for that doesn't mean gimmicks. It means you say you're saying they bring Mashiah. >> Yeah. To bring Mashiah. This is how you bring Mashiah. >> So of course you have to learn it yourself and live with it with the Gilus that you get from different different >> the Mashiah but they're all in they weren't new. They were like whatever the different >> there's no new right. >> Yeah. So obviously you're learning in Mashiach we had a major in that and we still do you learn the gave out this four which that in itself also the Reb is handing out to everyone which which obviously was also a big and and but but even those and and and this is how we have to learn the state to learn And when you learn them correctly, you understand why we need Mashiach. So then when you meet another Yid, the Mashiach that you bring to another Yid is the Mashiach, not some fantasy. Mashiach, Mashiach is Gilus. The Mashiach is going to come. Oh, there's going to be stuff growing on the trees. Yeah, the Reb talks about this in the too, of course. But that that's what like you quoted before you have to be able to share that with another. So the first of all you have to live that way yourself there's no shortcuts the same that existed for all the years from the from the alterb throughout all the generations of that same is and that is what the rebb expects from that's what theb expects from lean mitten >> so let me ask you you were talking specifically to bakim or about but I know that you're also very involved with light because you're you teach and >> a shas I myself learned so what what's like a what's a message being a light to those that are establishing families or or have raising raising [clears throat] young families >> same thing same message you got to live Reb there's another which I think is also very very important you know knowing the today you don't have to go digging everything is available gem also made available a lot of the the days and and the monthly magazine filled with you the should but that you should not be bo in in the early years the the book that Jeff produced which I hope they'll they'll do a sheni from the at least till the ham of the early years but you know all this information that we didn't know when I was a ber melik came Not you may mel you know was a lot of things. Some of it was based on something some of it was just hearsay. It's hard to tell always but but but of course there's a lot of information there. It's started already Gordon interviewed and published in the Shahim theb's childhood and so on. Nemanov he had all kinds of that came to Bruna they they didn't speak Yiddish they didn't know said he made a point that they all have to read through you have to be bing said he said imagine an army when they've taken soldiers you need to know the history of the country you're fighting for you have So you have to know the history so that so that you have to know the every should not know the details of the reb's life and in the years of the nas for sure but even before the you don't know where he was where he was born where he traveled what years what were his activities is in his after the how can you not know these things this this is your reb so I think that these things are very very important and especially that today you don't have to go looking for it it's all available nicely packaged easily available that that is very important besides for learning the >> yeah I would say also that um there's obviously learning the deba that that goes out of question if you're Um but there's another part to this. There's this the and you know just the basic facts which that and other places that you can have access to this. But another thing which is similar is also like what the Reb has to say about certain topics and so hash. >> Yeah. Hashkafas I I know you something that we worked together with you on was when we wrote an article um about family planning >> correct >> or lack of family planning about having large >> mishbah view on it. Yeah. And now I remember I remember when we were creating it I remember I remember even for myself which I'm I'm the one that's you know >> doing doing it >> but like I'm like it helped me have a better understanding and I watched the before and I knew about but you have a package and fresh and the whole thing from beginning to end >> it's like >> I remember at the time >> the [clears throat] you guys got some flak for it and I I was saying then what do you mean this is >> we got flack because some people felt that It's not appropriate for read and I said then and you said I wrote response then 40 years before the rebb spoke about this by faban in public in front of bakim and children the reb had no problem. So you want to tell me that 40 years later the world is they're not for this they should only know what the street has to say about it. If they're not going to learn about this when they're not going to read this in the when they are just like any topic in Yiddish in life that needs to know in them when are you going to find out when you're 50 >> right? >> You're not going to find out. Yeah, learning never ends and nobody should think that whatever they read in their years in the that's it. So now they know everything about the of course there's always more and more and it's a pelt is stuff is coming out new and new and new we're talking about already more than three decades after and there's constantly new in this spoke But needs to know the views on topics. Now you hear sometimes say things about years and years literally not for hundreds of hours. the and the Reb's view of is one of the topics. There's so much from the Reb on it that should say things that push it totally against the Reb's outlook and he doesn't mean anything. He pushed it is clueless. >> Example, >> there's no excuse for that in examples. But [snorts] we can have another podcast on Schlamus audits. But everybody knows, you know, people will repeat views that are written on websites or all kinds of other sources and they'll, you know, that sound that makes sense and they'll repeat it without even realizing, oh, Lam Marshall talking now about uh the latest news that the Americas paving the way for for maybe in the future Palestinian state. Okay. says the Palestinians are not going to behave anyway. So it's not never going to happen. That's not how the Reb view this even a said that just talking about that is a for you know how can Allahav say things that are against you. And by the way, the whole topic of this is not a topic of you don't need it's not like oh the view okay so I'm you know I bow my head the Reb said different okay the rabbis that's the only that makes sense that's the only that especially has been proven in the lab >> hundreds times over at this point if anybody doesn't you know you still didn't get it right unfortunately there are many who didn't get it but shouldn't get it sat in the hearts hundreds of hours and you don't bother to find out the reb's views there's many ca today there's there's the the safe that put all the just together the the kos there's this book from what's his name pearl made >> yeah make peace in English >> and and there's there's plenty of resources all you have to do is find out make it your business to learn what is the Reb's and the Reb why did the Reb speak about this why did speaking by people have these weird weird questions like what did the Reb think he's going to be po by talking we don't need that somebody said that make sure not Of course that's too actually that that that is the theme of of the personal you know no you have to stand strong on on your land but but no there's also teaching the everybody has to know that what's kind of question why the spoke about this and why The Reb screamed when he spoke about it like the Reb said himself. So, so should like contemplate is the Reb right? Like you don't begin to understand the P. You don't know. So there's no excuse for that. That's why the Reb wanted also to be printed. Why did the Reb wants to be printed? It's the mb says I mean it was written by but allowed this to be printed like that like it's um so a younger man you know as a ber you'll get a lot of information but you're still a ber a teenager in the mitzvah Maybe it's a today's day and age, I don't know what it takes a few more years for the mind to fully ripen. And in the teenage years, even a smarter, he learns a lot in this, but to really get it, we're not fully getting it. There's always we always realize more. So we have to continue learning and there's always more that you don't know yet but to pos know what the Reb's views on all kinds of topics everyone has to have a learning rebris you have to know you have to know and if you encounter a topic and you don't know what the reb so this m is look it up find out ask somebody who knows don't start talking things that that you heard on some radio show or some uh podcast from the alist economy. You can't stop talking with >> You're talking about global stuff, whatever national individual stuff like like like family planning some people. Yeah. No, I I want to have children of course, but what's wrong? I'm going to have to spread out. You know, like all kinds of views like that. What do you don't know the view? >> Many many times the answer is no. They heard they heard once about it, but they don't really know. It's not fresh. It's not something that they >> got to reprint it, make another run in. >> First of all, anyone could read it at index.the.org. And also, you sent it to me as a PDF. I share it with that I teach. You're >> still doing it. Still doing it. Good. >> Okay. So I think >> someone gave me an idea over the uh maybe you should make like a like take three people that anytime there's like a major something happening in the news that fortunately or unfortunately people know about we should be able to right away present what the rabbi says about it. >> A think tank. >> A think tank. Yeah. But the idea is >> not everything needs the concept. Not everything needs to be as official. Uh no idea because well I'm all in nuance >> everybody can make a mistake and so it doesn't have because it puts a certain pressure if you make an official ah so they the know it all so they represent >> I don't know if that's such a great idea but but on a personal level yeah ask somebody he knows a bit more than And maybe put on it. Someone gave me a good DMA that on October 7th. Then it was very clear to everyone what the response every around the world whatever it was very clear what the response is that you have to continue whatever someone was telling me like >> and that was in our blood >> right there was no memo that went out from headquarters that that's in the blood. Everyone knew right away just being >> I actually afterwards everybody came. is from the name I knew about that. So, so I actually by hak is already said that >> I I told the am that you know I didn't hear anything about it till the bim from the came on tal to me >> right >> my son and others that came on tal and we didn't hear a word they told us about this and right away it put like a damper everybody like everybody found out the whole and this so >> that's a good example of of the way we should be approaching everything if if we have it in our bones already we we >> we will react by default >> in the cook's gang >> okay thank you very much and and you should be in I can't begin and certainly not end in the and the praise for this whole grow up. Okay. Amen. >> [music]