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Ep. 26: Growing Up In A Time When ‘Shlichus’ Was Not Yet Understood with Rabbi Yosef Gansburg
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In this episode, Rabbi Yosef Gansburg, longtime Shliach in Toronto, Canada, shares his rich family history, upbringing, and the many horaos and kiruvim he received from the Rebbe, highlighting the profound importance of shlichus.
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This episode is dedicated
for
Rabbi Gansburg. Thank you so much for uh
making the time to be here.
>> Thank you very much. My pleasure.
>> Um I understand in your case there's uh
besides your besides the the agonist,
there's also a rich history in uh in the
Mishba of where you come from. So I
think it might be a good idea to start
that way. I personally remember your
father very well from 770 but that you
know and and know and know some things
but I obviously don't know all of it. So
maybe you can uh start off that way and
uh I guess lead into
where you where you enter the picture
where you came from where you were born.
>> So if you don't mind since you want
history I'll start the history one
generation earlier.
>> Perfect. Uh I was raised by two Zadas
that Zadus and Bobas Zadis both learned
in Lubavich.
Uh my mother's parents got married in
Lubavich before right after the reb left
and
s my father's family is is traced
alreb's brother
and
so is on my mother's side my el was big
of rebab
And when I was a kid,
>> one second, what's you have to say his
name
>> his name? So my father's father was Barl
Gansburg and my mother's father was Fleh
Khan who everybody knows is the father
of Rabiel.
is my uncle
and
so I was Nishanov
not only as a zed
and
also he was my Mhammed
and my zed was
shared a bend and he and my grandmother
Mameish raised me. My parents were can I
know busy with with with Asus cibis
and my grandmother put me to sleep with
jamis.
>> So since I was a little child
that was my upbringing
>> this is inabad
>> that was in Tel Aviv first. Yeah, maybe
I grew up in Tel Aviv till I'll actually
bring it up a little later. When we left
Tel Aviv,
but uh I was raised in Tel Aviv. I
learned in Tel Aviv,
it was a small nice
shul was
center of Lubab in role at that time.
Quakabad did not develop yet the way it
was later. They started to shintess
until they started to stand on their own
two feet. Took quite a few years. Tiv
was kabad
the shul
the
hidden was they came from from Lavich
and every shabas kesh they were
reminiscent and the varam kite from
lobavich that was definitely
part of the DNA of my upbringing. So you
you grew up experiencing this. You you
remember all of this?
>> Absolutely. Absolut.
But let me give you as an example. We
were we were mun the kids. I was a
little child, young child.
We were mun that the biggest
that we have the merit is to go and
bring for the for the foren. We used to
fight who should who should go. I mean
that that was the the the ruach that
time.
There's certain episodes that I still
remember from from the Fabang and
certain I was a kid but as as I said um
and definitely
uh
the as I grew up my my mother and my
father my father was as I will mention
was
as when the rebe became rebect
I should I should retract and go back
before before my birth since now uh
there's a lot of uh conversation about
going to the army or not. So my my
father was a boar toshin
and in the household it was mamish
very strong a very heavy load kite with
parinosa. So my father went to help my
grandfather
>> at that time
>> he he was married already. No, no, no,
no. Also,
>> he was a ba
>> and at that time became the shila about
going to the army or not
>> the war of independence
>> the war that's just broke out at that
time.
>> Mhm. And the Shiloh was they didn't they
knew that the Rabim's was against
and here is
a Zionist entity I don't know if it was
called yet Israel or not but
so there was
later uh who wrote uh pre a letter to
the previous rebu
question was very clear. Are we allowed
to mobilize to the Zionist army?
And uh I'm quoting the
wrote
which means a shortsighted people.
What? Let's interpret it whatever you
want, but that's what the Reb wrote. Reb
is obviously Reb spoke about people that
were not in yeshiva and it was clear,
but anybody who is not inh.
So that was one detail what I I think is
important to know that saw it as nephesh
and there was no miser with with
notionist that's not the issue at all
but now is a different situation.
>> So there might be an issue but we have
to protect basically.
>> Yeah that that that was that that was
the answer. Another detail story in in
same in the same vein in the same topic.
Uh my father had two more brothers
and uh both older brothers were
mobilized to the army. My uncle Label
Ganssburg and my father were both
mobilized. Their younger brother, his
name was known as Heshk Ganssburg. He
was by the reb many many years and he
started the nikun as known.
uh he came to America to Shin Zion to
the Reb.
So my
wrote a letter to my uncle and was
how can you sit over there and your
brothers are fighting in in in the
front?
And my uncle did not I mean he obviously
contemplated what to respond and he went
over to the rebre
and he showed
>> Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about
>> Yeah.
>> And he showed the Reb the letter.
The Reb read it. The Reb told him like
this.
I will say it in English and I'll try to
translate.
deserter.
I don't know if he said the word desert.
I I think it when I heard of my uncle,
he said desertter.
So again, we see a very clear shittita.
>> You didn't translate.
>> I'm sorry. Since you were assigned by my
father-in-law to uh sit and learn. So if
you get up now and you go to the army,
you're a deserter.
Each one has their mission. And to the
Reb was very clear, if you sit and
learn, that's what your mission is. Sit
and learn. And if you don't sin and
learn, we have the obligation.
So I I thought that that was a
interesting detail that many people may
question that, but this is clear from
the rebashita. [snorts]
Um
I also want to mention something and
that was after the Reb became Rebe. My
father was at that time
very young. My father actually was in
the army and he managed to be l
literally present. His group conquered
quite large parts of the north part of
Eritis
BC Bechan and Nat
that that region make Israel and then
they they transferred them to the south
to the Gaza area and there's a whole
story mameish had nephesh which I don't
think it belongs here but but it does
belong. My father was wounded was six
months in the hospital
and they had they grafted him. There's
many stories regarding that. My father
also wrote a diary for the entire
[snorts] uh duration that he was in the
army. But
um
after he was released from the hospital,
he got engaged to be married
and uh he was a when took place. The was
scheduled for Bison
that was scheduled before. Mhm.
>> I'm almost sure it was with the of the
So uh at that time everybody begged the
rebe to accept nas and uh my father had
a brother and a future brother-in-law
here. Rabiel came right after
which he was here already and my uncle
was here from before my other uncle. So,
>> by the way, your he younger brother went
to went to learn
>> but he didn't I guess
>> who my father wrote to the Reb. The Reb
told him it's back and forth letters at
the end. The Reb told him not to go at
the end.
>> First he got permission then my my Z
said must have help. The Reb told him
not to come.
>> He begged to come but it didn't work
out.
>> Okay.
But uh what I want to say is that in the
everybody started to ask the reb that
you should accept the nas and
nas. So my father wrote to the reb a
letter. He was still a ba
uh asking the reb to accept anas
and there is a letter that the reb
responded to him.
Cloite
general letter and then the rebatad
and thead is published in the igress and
I just want to read the couple of words
that the reb wrote in the kaviad. I have
it copied over here
is quoting what my father wrote.
So my father wrote, "Please have
Rahmanas on us, have mercy upon us and
accept but the Reb copied."
That's what the Reb writes.
For that you need to have the ability.
And the Reb writes like this.
You need to be complete perfect in
essential powers of the obviously
that's the next stage
revealed and completion in thought
speech and action etc etc.
So
first of all we can see what a reb was
looking within him. I want what a reb is
a
second thing I was thinking to myself
already my father was then
such words didn't write to to anybody
so that that was about that
>> let me ask you your father he he he
never saw the rabbi father till no
>> no at that point he didn't
My father came for the first time.
>> So he wrote to the
>> he wrote to him to ask thebosi
and the reb answered him with such
words.
>> So again I think that was something that
is nea
this a published thing but I felt that
this right thing to bring it up. Um
[snorts]
I want to say one more thing if we go in
the history a couple more things
in um
the reb I heard from my father it's also
some of it is printed the rebrol
should be led the way the reb wants
and to be honest the elderidim
the olderim had a very hard time
shifting from the era of the previous
Reb which although the the Reb also
demanded
doing with others represent
in America etc
in in in other places maybe
but theidim had a hard time to to
switch.
You mean to like
the demanded out outreach outreach
outreach
this kind of things. The Reb then
demanded that all misters should the the
the administrations should resign and
then he will appoint them a new in other
words that they're his workers. They're
they have to be subjected to him. Not
not from before and most of them the Reb
reappointed but the Reb did change the
Reb put uh controller
and each and every one of them is this
Reb appointed
>> like a financial like a financial
>> no general
>> financial and and and what's going on he
was responsible to report to the Reb the
Reb writes it in a letter I've seen the
letter clear that the makaker is Not
he's the controller and he has to report
to the reb and the reb will say what to
do
>> which are talking about the allabad
and
kabad and the all misus had to resign
Dan Hollis and the rebointed
and the reb added in most cases
sometimes rebed but reb
added the fesh a controller in each and
every one of the maesters.
This is something also that not too many
people realize that mameshant
at that time audim
and when the reb started to demand it
was very hard for them. So first the reb
instructed that there should be a
representation of
and it was two people were appointed
that was my father
who later became the so they started
and it still didn't move anywhere. So
then the reb was massed in B a separate
institution called Kabad and they were
appointed as the Vad of Kabad.
>> So before the Reb made the Kabad the Reb
tried to go through audi
much later much later when theb was
in America.
>> Uhuh. Okay. have a lot of that
the first was
>> so that was your father and is
>> yeah and then they added to the whole
more but they they were the first my
father became I think the mas
of the
>> and that's how it became that was
running all the
>> running yeah it was the reb had pushed a
hard time
to to accomplish And even then
there was very hard to move that nobody
nobody literally moved out of the hub of
Kabad whether it was Tel Aiv
later
to fight it. So now I I'll come to to
the next stage.
>> You mean like the concept of that whole
idea
>> concept of that's correct.
Uh when my
toshin you ut my my zeta came for the
first time to the rebin
and my father uh went for
my father there several three times I
think the reb called him in g all kinds
of instructions
but
um one of the um things the Reb has then
demanded. I think it's an interesting
story I told her over quite a few times.
The Reb demanded from my father that
when he comes back the Reb wants at
least 10 new schools of the Rashet
that the Reb is that time established
for schools from
>> so what's the idea of the Rashet? The
was the form
for for actually I saw a letter the Reb
said that they should establish schools
only in places that there is no F
schools from any type of of
denomination. This is Hagur Misroi.
Nobody, you know, we're not catering for
the F schools. We're catering for people
that used to be in their hometowns in in
the oriental countries especially
observant. They came towards Israel and
they took him away from Edishkite and
that time actually I should mention
there was a group of yeshiva
called
atani and the head was sharifitz
he was Tomim and he headed the
organization and labor became their
secretary later
in he didn't take money but over there
porch paparosa he became their secretary
it was quite loaded um
so they helped a lot to go and going
into fria places and try to register
uh children. So my father all the way I
think from Toshi Yud B he became a
teacher. My mother became a teacher. My
mother first was teaching Byakov
and afterwards she moved to teach in
Rashett
and the Reb demanded two 10 new schools.
There was I think three new three or
four schools until then. There was a
school in Yafo in Sarnoo in Faraba in
Mala. I think there was four schools
before and Reb told my father he wants
10 new schools 10. So
my father mentioned to the reb
I'm afraid that when I come back
it won't be accepted and new schools are
build you know it's wild.
So the Reb told them,
"Have you been to the oilb?"
So my father answered,
"With my body, I was there." So the Reb
said, "Oh,
the soul you have been much earlier.
You have been to the ten so you have the
the power to go and do so.
>> It's also
>> Yeah. By the way, for interest, did your
father ever saw the freed?
>> My father did not see the freed. My
father saw the Reb's father because on
their way out of Russia, my father was a
child, nine years old. So they went
through Yatarinuslav because Miza's
parents were there.
So at that time Reblavik tested him in
Gmorra I think.
So he saw but the freed I don't think he
saw
>> my father's breeze was the week of Yud
Samos when the reb came out of jail. My
father was born Pion
and the Reb went to Malahov. Misa lived
in Moscow which is nearby. So at the
beginning the reb said maybe he'll try
to see if he want should be sand but the
freed but
then there was too was too risky and the
reb canceled. So did not come to the
F would come back to Moscow to be the
sound.
Malakov Masco is next to each other.
>> So they're going to do
>> they were going to do by the
>> I don't know the details but it was
cancelled because it was too was too
risky.
>> Okay. So there was there was a close
connection obviously
there was a vad in in Moscow
that was leading all the underground
work for the reb and there was my two
zas and mesh gur that was the official
bath. They were very close needed before
they became autonim.
>> Uhhuh. And then they were all together
in Tel Aiv later.
>> Yeah.
>> This this group
>> this group. Yeah. H very interesting. Uh
so back to your father. Um so
>> that's what I want to say. So when he
came back he started to work and it
wasn't easy
financially and from the government and
>> wasn't there government funding for it
or that didn't happen yet?
>> Government funding. He had to have x
amount of kids and then after you had x
amount of kids was also not easy but it
was three new schools were established
by pale mameish
and I would say that this is the
beginning of sinaritis ro was my father
and ben shakar and ma zilstrom were the
first individuals that left to to
establish to schools.
>> So they picked up their families and
moved to these
>> and my father in the beginning there was
nowhere to live. So my the family stayed
in Tel Aviv and my father was there
alone and he came every other Shabas
home. It was not easy.
>> Where where was this
>> in Tak which is the school is still in
existence maz today is a nice group of
there. Yeah,
>> they became later the only school they
kicked out the fry and first year there
was two schools. That's a story on its
own. I don't want to go into it but
>> so your father was was uh living in
Tanakh and your family is in in Taliv
and then it came from the Rebel letter
and then we have the letter that the Reb
says that the family has to be together
so or he has to leave or the family
would come and my mother moved with us
and here came also mean you mean you
move with your mother to your to your
father
>> father yeah to Tanak
>> to Tanakh so you went
>> yeah yeah that was you like the
>> nobody nobody was calling at that time
you found
>> so you're the firstb
that did such a thing
>> I said there was three mishbas at the
same time
>> um it was what's interesting actually is
is also
when my mother decided that she's moving
with a family
she started to be harassed by ziknidim
that she's not allowed to do it with the
kids they have nowhere to there's no
school there was nothing mish
>> where where is
>> tanak
is if you know where a foola is
>> at that time four hours drive at that
time from Tel Aviv and that time there
was no cars was it was it was it was far
it was by the Syrian Jordanian border
the Okay.
It wasn't nearimishu.
I'll soon tell you about it something,
but let me finish what I'm saying now.
Um,
so my mother wrote to the Reb
and she wrote that people tell her that
your husband is crazy and he's is murder
everybody. I mean, it's it's not it's
not it's not Labavage.
And we have a full large large page
letter from the Reb to her
God's
that she was to be able to go and and
strengthen
and
and a very very strong letter and the
Reb is over there
use the word chastising. What kind of is
we tell you not to go? You're calling
him. Hey, it was a very strong letter
from the
was it wasn't it was a change in the
whole perception that we we we we don't
leave where the hub is. We we got to go
out.
>> It's amazing. It's amazing how the also
in America to the first there's a bunch
of letters
or to parents
like it's a had to revolutionize the
whole the whole thing.
>> It was very hard. Now to be honest, uh
we moved to Tanak.
I was in
the in Tel Aviv was a
on a very nice level, so to speak. And I
came to Tanak.
>> How old were you?
>> I was eight and a half.
And there was where where are they
sending me in school there? My sister is
younger than me
had to go to fourth, fifth grade when
she was six years old or something like
that, seven years old. And there was
nothing there. There was no
they used to s the the the people came
from Ki Kim, Kuristan, Turkish and
Parim. That was the three villages that
Tanak compi comprised.
very very amaratus
not that they were Eden is fine Eden but
they didn't learn
shabas everybody used to come to shul
take off their shoes sit on the carpet
the only one that knew how to read is
the used to chant along with him after
Davney everybody went up on the bike and
going work in the field not because they
wanted to be shabas because they did not
know that you're not allowed to that was
terrible
with Gashm also there was it was nothing
there was a mud and it was it was it was
not a mock issue
we didn't have gas we didn't have
the first time my parents bought a
freezer because there was nothing else
there
food it was not a picnic
but going back to my upbringing so where
do I go to school. So my father found
that there was a yeshiva from the pilim
I mentioned before this group of bim and
they opened the yeshiva for immigrants
for
>> it's not labavich officially
>> nat labavich and and they my father said
let's see how it goes so I went there
after two months they saw that there's
no tas nothing and they sent me away
from home to Fakabad. I was eight and a
half at that time to send away a kid.
There was no telephone obviously no
other way of communications.
I was sentad
I was uh today it's it's a normal thing
you send kids away it's also not easy
but it's it's a normal at that time I
believe it was a first to take a eight
years old and send them away. I saw my
parents most probably three times over
the year.
>> Wow.
So
>> So your mam is the uh
>> that's a pioneers
>> the pioneer of of the
as well.
>> I I would I would say so again I don't
believe that there was anybody else in
her soul to best of my knowledge that
was the first to send away a kid is it
was Mishug.
>> And you stayed with your benzad at that
time? I stayed with my grandfather's
brother.
My grandfather had a labor, you know,
battle for his his parents. So I stayed
in their house. A great uncle and aunt
and um
I was inad to be honest I don't think it
was as hard as on me as my mother. I was
a Ben Yid.
I have two sisters
and it was very hard but
>> that that's
>> okay
>> so let's let's move again I just want to
give you a little bit more history so I
think some people benefit
um
the first time I have seen uh uh
uh that the Reb referred to
letters about me in particular was my
there's three letters from the Rebe
about
once my father asked I I apparently
something I was in Gizun not completely
So should he put me to or not? The Reb
wrote and I again I copied it. Um,
the Reb wrote that
who is a doctor friend will agree then I
can start to visit the then my father
got a letter by the words
mim
and my name is
writes I I was very pleased that he
started and the third letter is to my ze
and this is a actually
goalie from the rebe which I I brought
the igress. The letter is published in
the egress.
I have a cousin who is 6 months older
than me
and
he had
more or less the same time as I did.
And the Reb writes to my Z and I'm
opening it up and I I I want to it's in
the and I don't know I did not know
about the letter until
uh the were published
but it's a little scary
because the Reb writes like this the end
of a letter
this is which
f
We are concluding the letter with your
good tiding that you brought that
they brought in Shabas your grandson not
me my cousin
just like similar to the baritzvah
letter that you go from stage to stage.
So I was pleased. Next paragraph.
So you have two
both were taken into and the Reb give
each one a different
my cousin is a
but he didn't remain
so
the Reb already said gives him a
etc and the to the next
that
I don't know how they took it at that
time obviously I wasn't aware of it but
this is a letter actually from from
yesterday
it's exactly from yesterday
70 years.
>> The Reb is setting out the the map.
>> Yeah. I'm saying this is it's this is
I mean
>> Yeah.
Um
I want to I also have a excerpt which
maybe could die to read.
In the letter that the Reb wrote to my
mother
before she went to Tanak,
the Reb writes like this.
In our days after the Holocaust,
of
soch is standing behind the wall
and he's only waiting for the work that
is placed on our generation
that our is lighter than the previous
generation task.
Each one has to fulfill what is written.
that the weak should say I'm strong
that will bring out the hidden powers
that [clears throat] each and every one
of us has that should come out in a
revealed way.
So you can do a lot more than if it
would be normal times.
This is uh again words that are this is
in in that time that was extremely
extremely pushing. You have to do you
have to do what your job is. Don't talk
to anybody. Do what you have to. very
foundational letter on onu
what what our generation
>> very clear very clear this is very clear
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>> When my father decided to send me to
actually also we got a letter from the
not we my parents
That's the first thing that you have to
that he has to learn the child in a
place that is obviously over there was
not up to par
that should be with my consent
and my mother should be consenting.
So based on those conditions, it should
be successful.
So
again,
>> it's very it's amazing that saying that
that you have to agree as well. I was
eight years old.
>> Yeah.
>> Eight years old.
>> Amazing.
Someone told me that he had a a
difference of opinion with his father
about if he should which is he should go
to. He was a bak already. He want to go
and his father didn't want his father
was
and his father wrote to the my son wants
to go here. I think he should go there.
answered
has to be what your son wants,
>> right?
>> Yeah. Ber is different than
>> eight-year-old. I was eight years old,
but obviously wanted to should be with
my consent.
>> Okay. So, what was it like inad those
days?
I listen was definitely
I mean it's new to me after the few
months that I was away but
I I had an excellent group of and
I don't have to tell you and and I grew
up inad since then
I had the opportunity to learn one year
my father learned by Brook
in that time was in Tel Aviv but in my
place was in
that yeshiva. I've very much wanted I
should learnish.
>> There was already
>> the was in loot. The
>> was in l and was in a different
different.
>> Yeah.
was the mashia in in loot. The big is in
loot.
So when I it was already I think it was
in the middle of the eighth grade pes
time. Uh my parents then moved from
Tanak.
They established a school in Kulon also
in a in a ma in a in a neighborhood
which was the lowest class. Jesse Con
was crime and everything. Bora. My
father
opened a school. There was over 400
students.
>> My mother was teaching is start from
nothing. But the first year my mother
and father taught my father was the
principal and teacher. My mother the
second class. And then the the they
didn't want they should be together the
mad. My mother uh was teaching in in in
Batyam in school in Rashid. My father
was the man in Kon quite a few years. So
and then I I lived at home obviously in
Farabad. Then I was a year in in Rishon.
He was my mager in Gimore. He was in we
learned by him.
Then I moved to Lud. I learned two and a
half years in Lud. That's Shivaktana and
Mahina
as a very very strong especially the
last year in Mahina
was a very strong year.
We had the Rash of Zelic Feldman over
Shalom and Renor
of Abrahams became by us Mashpia and he
put into us more than anybody else
rebides
and Baram kite
owe him a lot
>> really.
>> Yeah. He he was
I would say that the biggest push that
the k got the desire to go to the reb
was from him.
There was other factors but I would say
he was tremendous push for that
>> to go learn by the rabbi or just to go
to go visit
>> and I wasn't visiting it was the union
forbbe
I also had the the the
privilege you I would say my father came
from the reb every plane that passed by
inabad is near the airport. Every ah I
wish I would be on the plane going to
the Reb. I was a kid.
I grew up on that
>> you know it it's it digs in. Ah I wish I
could have gone to the I can go on the
plane to the Reb. So that was a
a big DNA
investment in in in me that that's
but the truth of the matter is my father
wanted very much I should go to the Reb
to learn
my father my barit was toshed
to Pes my father was here by was by the
reb
And when he was in Yides, he asked the
Reb if it's appropriate I should come to
learn there.
And the Reb said
that so young the supervision is there
better.
So obviously I waited but the next year
it's already
and we moved toad to dal to the
so I asked again if I can come. You
wrote to the
>> Yeah,
my father was definitely on my side
and
Reb sent me to Dan Holl. To my surprise,
Mim was not against it. Although Dan
Holler didn't give me official
agreement to go, we decided that I'm
going and if I'll be able to settle here
will be masim I'll stay and if not after
I'll come back. So I came
to say
I came to 770.
What was interesting is that my uncle,
my father's brother, Ashkis,
so he went into
before I was in New York yet.
The Reb asked him, "No, what's going on
with your nephew? Did he come already?"
"No, you should settle Gizun."
So before I came, I knew already that
I'm settling. So the reb again I came
from the reb
I was before the army yet so I didn't
have a problem leaving it was young
>> right
>> the next year when I went in I already
got ka in other words I got
>> letter I need a draft letter
my mother was thinking should I become
not go and later and I have problems. So
I asked the Reb and the Reb told me to
stay. Reb told me to do what the others
that stayed here, I should do the same
thing. The Reb told me to stay. That's
it. That was uh
>> and you had
>> you had other that that came.
>> I had that came. I have BM who came a
year before me and the same year with me
came a few Yoshi Paris a year later came
there was an old group I would say our
kita was was moving towards that we were
very much infused with with
>> so maybe you could describe a little bit
uh you're coming to the reba for the
first time like what what uh that was
like
>> obviously
remember the first time
seeing the rebu
and the first is I mean you know I
remember the first time teas was
I don't know how to describe but
definitely
remember our office. I remember
Napoleon's march. I would say though
those
are the highlights.
I did not go in till my
but I stayed here
>> because you weren't a you weren't a
guest.
>> That's correct. I knew already that I'm
staying. So I didn't take the first time
I went in was from a milletus
that was but then I went to Newark and I
studied in New York for two years.
So you're you
>> used to come for every form. We used to
come in
New York. We were excellent two years.
The first year especially Friedman was
our
was it was a was a was a solid two years
especially the first year and
then we we came to some
>> after two years in Newark.
>> Yeah. So this is um
yes we we moved to 770
>> and
I was 770
basically till till I got married but
one year lamemed we were sent to partway
we were the first
the spoke then so that was
we that the we were in in Ocean Parkway
as Alter Boim as Schlim but we came for
all Fabbrangians also from New York I
didn't miss any Fbrangans even the few
sudden for somehow I was there
>> somehow you made it
>> I have a question
>> um when you're in
so there's no hookup
those years so you arrived to the Reba
the first time
>> you're reminding me I'm I'm interrupting
you.
>> No, go ahead. Go ahead.
>> You're reminding me that that is is
worthwhile most probably to describe.
People will not understand the the
relationships
with the reb was very limited.
There was
the odd that came in
the odd picture and that's basically it.
And and the emphasis also that you need
to learn.
It was not uh
I remember the first time I was in Tel
Aviv must have been Zion. I was a little
kid
and somebody brought a 8 mm strip you
know they
was no videos. There was not there was 8
mm
from the rebe
there was a faben
small snap from the fabian
>> a video
>> it was no video it was 8 mm you know
like a very primitive in those days but
it was the first time that we saw the
rebe
on a wall so the whole anash in Tel
aimish
whatever it was gathered I Remember
Meshkenazi Ravashkinazi
Misha in his house and they got a
machine.
We saw the Reb on the wall. This I do
remember. I remember that there was one
guy and I'm not going to mention his
name. He wanted to see the Reb a little
closer.
He doesn't know what a movie is, what a
video is. He got closer and is
>> standing in front of
>> Yeah.
We were so far from that era. But that
was the first time I think that we saw
the reb in movement in to whatever
extent
it was with without audio was was video,
>> right?
>> I remember that. I mean, in other words,
it made as a child to see the Reb for
the first time. Besides the art picture,
I also remember if you're asking in in
in my upbringing the relationship with I
remember when the
Zion came
after the five students and their
counselor were murdered by by
terrorists. The Fayuns we call them. the
rebin
from America, one from England and one
from France and one from I think it's
Australia.
So it's 12 B
uh to come and comfort the G of Hash
known already who they are. They were
there aretof
and and others. Um,
I can tell you that
my father was not home for 3 weeks for
as long as they were there. My father
took me to the airport to greet them. I
remember in my mind on my father's
shoulders and
it was it was it was such an awesome
thing theim
also
with all the children
and I remember gathering in in inabad in
front of the old jewel basement that
time was the old jewel
And they taught us mipel
and they gave each and every one of us
as a gift from the reb
and a small bottle of kosh.
Those are my memories.
I remember also shabas a few other
episodes. I was a kid as I said but I
still remember it. It made a tremendous
impression. I would say that these
cashes to the Rebe definitely
intensified in a tremendous way through
those
that that
was was tremendous and us kids were
definitely there we we were we benefited
from.
So this is this was our connection but
otherwise
the was a few
so we learned it but
>> yeah and then also started to come tapes
I remember
>> that I want I wanted to know if you ever
heard
>> yes yes yes I remember sitting you
I remember it
few times yes we did get that period we
started to get uh tapes that we were
sitting the whole zal and listening to
the whole fang not not live obviously it
was a month later I don't remember when
it was but that
>> you should sat and listen to it
>> yes yes yes that was a whole major event
Mhm.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So when you came to the
So you're familiar with it, but
obviously everything's very
>> It was new was definitely new and uh
the Reb definitely was our life in
yeshiva. There was nothing else. At
least I can talk for myself that that
was the center of our lives. Um I I want
to tell you another thing that comes to
mind from from the that kufa. uh the in
in paras
was the first time Thursday night I went
in on for my was my first
that's why I got that fbranian I didn't
go back to New York stayed in New York
and it was a sudden Ferbanian so I
didn't miss it
the the rebal called in a group of bim
eight bim at that time and proposed to
them to go to Australia for for two
years with certain conditions.
six went
but Shabas was a mand for and I do
remember quite well that Fbranian
I have seen many of that forian so I
don't want to go into it
but uh
I do remember the the reb was learned in
mimop
that was uh as a kid that was a
tremendous but what I want to say is
that before they left there was
a good by party for them upstairs
spoke
and I do remember what he spoke one of
the one of the things he said that in
the reb writes that
comes down to this world for 70 80 years
to do a favor once inn.
So he said can you imagine
and runs around to find where is my here
the
group of young and tells them
this is your why you came down in Haz
this is your place so that was again
push towards the whole idea of of of of
lis
I still remember it.
>> Right.
>> So, so that was a very strong that we
that without that there is no life so to
speak.
So, if you don't mind I I want to skip a
little bit. I want to come to uh a I had
from the
settle
when I came to
inhib
I had
the
not only to be with myim
and rash
in
but on top of that I hashem had in New
York two uncles
which I owe a tremendous Aora sat. I
used to on a regular basis eat alum
after the I was ra
and I had to have kazor
right after the fabbran
many times vineberg that was supposed to
speak on the radio shabas used to come
along and
>> he used to do the shabas would do Yeah,
I'm going to say something. I don't know
if it's neg or not neg but but it's an
interesting detail that I remember.
There was uh certain individual who got
involved with Lubabich. He came from uh
from Yakisha background. He was an
educator and he got involved with uh
heading uh Lubavich school. He was the
man
And I believe that that was his first
time by the Reb,
the end of Tish, middle of Tish. And
at that time, the Rebu had a tremendous
tremendous co in Rashi.
The style that the Rebe spoke then many
times of her brain in as Rashi is
learning with a 5 years old and the Rebi
used to use the expressions
asks and
answers
commenting and and so on and so forth.
So it was after and this individual came
also to Rabiel's house
to hear
and as they were it was
I don't remember I think it was somehow
but it was
spoke and elaborate on it and he's
sitting with open mouth and drinking
every word
after a half hour discussing the rashi
He asked to I'm sorry if you don't mind
I won't ask who is the from
[laughter]
he thought that there is a safer that is
called andik asks answers I I remember
that it was so live it was so it was
but I still remember
So mam your connection to also helped
you understand the importance of the
sikas and to be involved in it. Rabiel
gave us shurim from the day we came to 7
from the year we came to 770 unofficial
he started to teach us every Thursday
night in 7:49 in the kitchen
and later in ocean parkway to lamemed he
gave us morning and evening he used to
come mi we learned some by him and he
put it into our brain
he was so devoted and later it was we
have a very special relationship ship
with him. And to be honest, I was very
very much influenced by my other uncle
who was a
man
to the he was he had the he
>> he used the
he and havski
were making the lotion. How do you say
it?
signal the trip
>> the styling of the language
>> styling and the language improved.
He was many many hours
and uh
he definitely made a mark in me as well
as far as the warmth and the desire
see the reb to
I had a very good group of
>> Were you around? Were you there like
when his wife passed away that uh
>> in the house then
>> you you were living there? I I came I
was in Ocean Parkway that year but Tish
I was in their house. I was living in
their house literally.
It was a a very interesting period. I
was a very hard period. I remember
the jumped up and started to dance when
he started.
>> Do you you want to say it a little bit?
>> Okay. I mean unfortunately my aunt my my
my father's brother's wife she was 37
years old and she had
group of young children and she
encountered
Maka
and within months she was gone sukus
the was so they didn't sit
And it came
my uncle used to go to
so
he took the kids with him
and uh then came to the Fbrangian he was
the one who started nigun.
So at one point he started
famous
jump up
kicked
the chair back and started to dance.
It was definitely connected. It was very
clear.
It was a sin to see the reb I've never
seen the reb should kick his chair. He
jumped up.
So, so that I'm saying the whole whole
there pushed them
lived with
looked looked after after
pushed them later on to look for
pushed the was
>> and you're saying he had a a big
influence on you. I mean there's a lot
of the we have a lot of the the printed
things that he wrote right before the
nas when he was when he was there. So he
>> I I was I I can't
escape to say that he definitely gave me
a tremendous
kite
dedication to the not to do a thing
without the rebite
that was obviously I don't have to say
but from both sides I owe them both a
tremendous amount of tape
and then
definitely
helped the tremendous group. I want to
keep as I said to um before
my parents were in a
so
proposed a certain name.
I gave it to my sister was married
already and my uncles they looked into
it and the report came that it's it
could be suitable
and it was the first time I wrote to the
reb about the shid
and I wrote that this one and this one
was mats this and this shidak
and they looked into it and it seems
reason it seems reasonable
and I asked the A should I be interested
in shim
and if yes is this shid suitable
and I don't know what came to me but I
ended up writing
that since my whole life I'm hoping to
go on
and the father of the meduber is in
business.
I wrote the words
that that will distract
the Reb responded yes.
>> Wow.
>> See
>> that's it. I never saw her. I never That
was it.
So your
to see the
directing you
>> I think that that's was
actually when my current the next that
came serious was my wife my was also
in business business and so but I know I
have to ask
>> right the same question the reb crossed
it out
And then I had another Shiland Rebel
Hamik.
I had Bashem
full deck of direction.
Yeah. That Mamesh
was interested in every single way of
development,
>> right,
>> of of molding me as a person. Um
you have the sameash by by your wife and
>> I wrote the same words after I I know
already what I have to do. Right.
>> Right.
>> Reb answered me clear
expect such words. Right. So but the
rebrossed it out.
>> So
I thought that that was um
very interesting. And then I had a I
read this with
the which also I can
that
not
>> one year
I became a lameal right after
that's neg at the time because summer
giml
the rebba made a sudden visit
to the Koda
that was extremely unhappy.
I'm not going to
the details. I was still in yeshiva.
But Rabbi then I remember
>> was unhappy with what he saw in the ca.
>> Yeah.
There was a first uh expression the Reb
wants to close the K
and
I remember the Reb used the word
you didn't learn
what are you doing something along those
lines.
So in my mind I was thinking I wasn't
the biggest masid in yes
we have to go to kill the reb is not
happy
I'll go right away
now
the fact that we're going in was
there was no question before I saw that
was a commitment that we're going in was
no shab about it. But she wanted us to
go for a year to kale.
We're going on before the
so we have to write to ask what to do
after the
so became how do you write
because I wanted to write. We're asking
the rebi what to do where to go to
but she wanted to write that she wants
me to go to kale
per year clear said again was not a
so we decided to write each one the way
we wrote one settle but uh we wrote that
after the
so the color won't I should go to Kale
for one year. We're asking the Reb what
to do.
That's what we wrote. I didn't want to
write that. I want I don't want.
The Reb took the talle
looked at it and started to smile.
And he said,
"You're right that she wants you should
go to Kaou
learn.
You need to be the one to learn." The
Reb stopped. He's waiting for an answer.
To be honest, I I didn't know where to
bury myself.
What should I say to the Reb?
Anyway, I I uttered
if the holds
I'm ready to go. So the Reb says
or I don't remember if you mine or
he stops and he's waiting again.
So I have to answer. So I said
sobb said like this.
If it is
with a joyous glad heart then it's a
right thing for one year
but that was that was it about that but
the wanted to hear clear it's not
even after I said
there was a
That that was also a clear direction. I
was in Ko for one year
at Borch. I'm a very good year in Kao
and I to the date I went out. I got
married Biss. I went in the year I went
out. Okay. A year later,
>> a year later I was there exactly a year.
So again, Bel Shamto from Detroit came
to me with a proposal that for the
summer I come for two months to be the
camp rabbi.
I don't have yet. I didn't want to hear
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So I didn't have anything yet
names all kinds of but so I asked the
Reb and the Reb answered me immediately
came out settle
should be something permanent not not
temporary
>> if you're doing it should be
>> it was not a sh it was definitely
permanent don't don't take don't take
part time
don't take
>> oh saw was the
>> wait instead of starting looking now you
look after summer
>> and the reb
so so then I put in there was a few and
the reb circled Toronto
so so that that hashem
in in two weeks we're celebrating 50
years schlik is in Toronto.
>> So the way the way it worked was uh you
were hat that that was the
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that was normal.
>> Various places that proposed
and the directed us.
>> So before we go to I just want to step
one step back. Um were there any um is
there anything from or things on your
that that you want to share?
I can say one thing that stands out
otherwise I don't think I had anything
those years somehow
again in a personal that I I I looked at
it very very personal was in one of the
I wrote about my learning
and suddenly the Reb is asking me where
is dying in nigla
asked me who do you learn with
so I said
that was my after we learned
a piece of gim or tasteless we should
res repeat it by heart
what we learned so that was I mean I
felt that the reb had a personal it's it
wasn't just another thing it was a
personal touch that gave me I had to
learn that
>> had to learn yeah
>> yeah that that was something I I thought
The Reb touched upon
everything. The Reb gave us clear hoes
in everything we did.
At least I can talk for myself. I I was
that
before we went to Toronto.
>> What happened?
>> So,
first of all, we didn't have children
yet.
The Rebi gave us
mazle
that when you change a place
changing in your maze.
>> You wrote to the Reb about about
children.
>> Yes. Yes. So you were at that time uh
already a year and a half and nothing
over a year and a half and nothing
happened. So, so we wrote it wasn't a
disaster, but uh
Rebi gave us a rebi gave my wife 10
single dollars to give out to anyone
that she will be mashia to start to
light chav candles
and a book of matches for the rebim.
So that that was we had
gave us a lot of brokers then
>> had that ready before.
>> Yeah.
from the drawer.
During the the I also had
private moments, so to speak. Not that
was my last by the before we began and
we couldn't go any but [snorts] I had a
few private moments that were very very
strong so to speak besides settl that we
had constantly answers.
I I want to I want to maybe repeat a few
episodes,
not just
one day I I was standing in line by
dollars
and before me stood a younger man from
Karan Heights. I'm not going to mention
his name
with his son. The son was younger than
me. So he was uh
either older teenager or something like
that in the
>> I mean older than you.
>> The the son was younger than me a little
bit.
>> The sun by dollars. We're going by
dollars
>> to later years. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> The sun went off a little bit. It was a
bit longer here, bit
whatever.
And apparently he was not by the reb for
a while.
And as the father came with the son to
the reb I was standing behind son
introduced this is my son so and so.
The reb said
I wish that he would think about me as
much as I think about him.
So this is a very
powerful
message from the Reba. The Reb cared
every single child.
This I I felt it had to be shared. Um
one of my famous moments with the Reb,
you know what? Let me retract first and
just mention I think since I'm I'm
already telling special moments
uh with Rebbitson Rabbit Hayushka
I had two times that I had a small
interaction with her
one time was by the sedar and I'll
explain what it was.
It's known that the Rebe till for as
long as his mother-in-law
was
alive, he was inviting the Rebe and the
Rebbitson to the sedar and the Rebed the
sedar and that to the sedar anybody who
wanted was able to come in. So the brim
whoever came there was a group of
special unique individuals that were
invited to the seda and they were
sitting and we stood around the table.
The rabbitson had their own room in the
dinette. That's where they had the seda.
I didn't have a family in New York.
So the seder took 20 minutes or half
hour.
>> You ate in the yeshiva.
>> Yeshiva. So we the first night the rebi
used to come to visit before the reb
went to the yeshiva.
So
when the rebi came we already all the
the kyra the plate was prepared by us.
full cup of wine. The Reb went around
and gave up. Sometimes the Reb I
remember that year the Reb they prepared
the small little glass
plates very small where the meaning in
order shouldn't
shouldn't wet the mat.
>> So the Reb looked at it. It says again I
don't remember the lash but the Reb says
there has to be only six things on the
matas
in other words that this is a double
so the rebu doesn't want didn't like it
and then the reb gave but as soon as the
reb left
we made kesh and made
for a second and in old time we came
upstairs. The Reb was not there yet.
The Reb gave out says the Reb was not
there yet.
That was
Borim and Borim
first.
There was a large group who came from
and somehow more Bim stayed. The pushing
was unbelievable.
It's a very interesting seder.
Remember I I used to drive behind the
rebu
with his handler.
came and he started to make with his
hands and the alum after doubt cases the
table started to move chair broke and
one of the guest fell down and it was
was not a pretty sight
that
I remember
who stood behind the freedic reb's chair
the reb was not sitting there at the
table. There was a set chair with
everything in front of the head at the
table and the rashag the reb's
brother-in-law sat on the right side the
rebound.
So this particular ber stood behind the
chair
and that year was extremely extremely
pushing and
so by you know subconsciously the ber
put his hand on freed's chair.
The reb gave him such a look
actually saw him not long ago.
He asked him if he remembers that look.
He'll never forget in his life.
The Reb is the Rebi is here.
How dare you touch?
That's a detail that I thought.
There's a lot to talk about the seda,
but others are I'm sure has it already.
But
>> I could do a whole podcast on the seder.
>> The seder alone. Yeah. I was there six.
I I want to say something specific. So
um
because there was a chaos and some of
the guests came over to the alter
rabbits to rabbit to and told her that
uh that they will not come if the ban
come in.
So
I don't know who called Dan Holler of
Rab David Rasin and told him that they
will not let in anybody till after
and even then they'll let
a little bit at a time.
They came and announced in yeshiva in
the seda that no one should rush.
We're a small group of bim and we
decided we're going. They won't let us
in. They won't let us in. It's
I believe there was 10 12
I don't think it was much more than
that. We stood, you know, when you go
upstairs, there's the landing, the
upstairs landing before the door.
>> Mhm.
>> We stood there. The guests were in there
already.
We stood
the
What are you doing here? Not we're not
bothering anybody. We stood in the
hallway. Period.
After a while, the door opens and the
rebbit
came out. Of course, we moved aside and
she went down to the Reb's room,
went into the Rebe, she was there for a
few minutes. The Reb was not upstairs
yet.
>> And you didn't come in?
>> No.
Then she comes out. She goes up and she
turns to us and says
mar plots for the guest to do again.
Make room for the guest to pass by.
Which guest guest was in? It's for the
Reb.
A minute later,
the Reb's door opened. The Reb started
to come up. He stood aside.
She opened the door
and she held her hand the knob like
as the Rebi came in she made with her
head come in.
So she let us in and she locked the door
behind us.
So this group had the privilege to be
there for a whole sa second night of
this
>> rason let us in. So that's one of the
encounters I had on a personal level
with her.
afterwards
spoke all about it but that's not neah
the second encounter I had with her also
on a personal level is the used to come
770 whatever time it was 10 11 there was
a seda that the boim used to go to the
reb's house and the rabbits used to
prepare a terras with hot water I
believe in a paper bag
to bring to go home, pick it up. The
rabbit used to prepare it between the
door and the the screen door.
>> The front room
>> front the front door between the outside
door and and the second there's a thing.
>> They call it a mud room. The mud room
>> not in the room talking outside
>> but there's not in the house
>> outside
>> front door is a and front door there was
like a screen
>> door. So between that it was on the
floor. So I came out harik was my every
time someone else went. So I came out a
few times that I also went. It was a
spring day but I I went to to get the
as I was approaching the the house I see
that the rabbitson is outside. Rabbitson
was on the on the landing where the
grass she picked up.
flowers. I don't know. She was uh she
was outside in the garden like in the
front yard all the way in the front.
I wouldn't, you know, I go I I do my
wouldn't
all of a sudden she saw me, she turned
to me and she started to o
she didn't prepare the the teras yet.
She was talking with such a like I'm the
prime minister with such a
little kid. Yeah.
They didn't want to go in at that time
to go into the Reb's house. It was who
went into Reb there. But who goes into
Reb's house?
But she insisted that I should go in.
I went in and I was glued to the door to
the outside door like I was it took two
two minutes. She prepared it and she
came back gave it to me and again
apologized.
So So that was my again a personal
encounter I had with Rebbitson.
So
she cared.
She took your time. She it doesn't
matter who you are. So that that time I
wanted to mention it was probably
something uh interesting.
>> Mhm.
>> But uh I I started to say before I used
to bring a lot of groups
to the Reb from time to time.
You you hear why?
>> Okay.
>> Used to bring groups all kinds of
groups. It was
>> shabas. Yeah. But there are for some
later on for dollars sometimes depending
not only for shabas.
And to be honest uh my personal
that I got from the reb was when I
brought groups perhaps more than other
times
gave me very very strong is personal
when I brought groups
told me one time
and but that particular shabas I brought
quite 50 people about a full bus
No, no mataf. We stayed in the crown
palace hotel used to be the grace of
palace
and uh
Friday I used to give to the rebim a
list of
the names mother's names of all the
participants and the itinerary
was shabasimov
we the reason was shabasimov
At that time didn't for every shabas
only vain was shabas
and was the lightest chabas in 770. The
kids are in camp the counselors are in
campus.
So it was it's a easier time to come.
So I gave in the settle an itinerary and
uh
the end of the forbang and the rebu
those who brought gave in mashk should
come up and announce what the mashk was
about. That was
so I came up actually with my colleague
Mishalar. We were both there.
The Reb took the battle and poured a
little bit to both of us.
And then the Reb said like this
state
I'm not sure if it was
whatever it is that was words to us
which means that the it's written that
when you see a fig that is about to
ripen
you take a a bag and you cover it and
you have to take it to
asur
the first fruits And when you come
you're getting the blessing you should
repeat or merit next year to do again.
So that was uh
first of all we see that the Reb called
bringing people to the to the Reb.
I said I had this is maj told me it was
other people heard it too but Reb told
it to me personally
that you should bring people
to Bikuri.
So I took it literally and the next year
I brought a group to the Reb the same
shabas
and I was that the Reb spoke a whole
with the group that came from Toronto.
It's interesting when the Reb was Mia
the Reb crossed out the word Toronto and
wrote Tess with
I don't know why but this is in in the
you'll see like with that's the Reb's
correction
[clears throat]
that second year the Reb spoke a whole
and what is interesting from that second
year was the Rebe
spoke
Why are you bringing a group? They have
over there and
else good and fine and there's still
the person gets tired and then you're
moving and but the idea is to come to be
together
learning together and the Reb mentioned
and to go to the together
to go to the oil to the together. That
was not on our itinerary.
>> Mhm.
>> Because at that time we didn't go to the
oil. It wasn't
but the Reb said we had to change the
whole itinerary with the bus was a whole
gishv. But from then on we started to
make sure that we go to the oil
together. That was I from the Reb.
The Reb told us also
the Reb said like this. The when the Reb
gave the Mashkb
said
you should give out a little bit here
and the rest you should have in Toronto
Shabas.
And the start
is the he in Toronto Shabas
the Reb says you should have the
continuation of this in Toronto. First
the Reb said
the Reb like said but before that is
Shabas
says that they showing each and every
Jew the third Bdos. So you should make
the continuation in Toronto Shabas.
So that was again that
clear
and and then the next year brought again
The Reb spoke again
did not mention Toronto the third year
but the Reb spoke about the came
the group that came and concluded the so
the
amed
should start the niggan.
So that was three years in a row
>> right? Uh so hashem since then
excluding the year of co the years two
be two two years of co
this is my shabas to bring a group
>> shabas
>> shabasim
>> yeah I've uh I've been by the before
[snorts] when
>> that's why that's why it's this shabas
that's that's became since
I
Me
>> from me. It's over 40 years
that
>> a group
>> that bring in a group
>> and there was um you brought the group
to dollars
were there inim that happened then by
>> there was all kinds of inanim I don't
have it clear there was one guy some
with with Romania with Yugoslavia I I
don't remember it because I don't want
to repeat it uh there's a famous video
that uh I brought uh the group and one
guy that was a guest from he asked me if
he can join which I did not know who he
was. So obviously he said you want to go
to the Reb. So he came with us and by
dollars he stopped the Reb and spoke to
the Reb about giving back land and this
is a famous 10-minute video that the Reb
speaks to him. He was one of the heads
of the Shalom Makshab.
>> Oh yeah yeah that video. Yeah. So that's
that's one of my
>> So you didn't know he's going to do
this?
>> No, I did not. I stand I'm standing
there right behind them,
>> right? Yeah. Okay.
>> Because that was one of the people that
I I brought to the Reb not knowing who
he was.
>> Uhhuh. Right. He he came to say the
opposite
>> to to to try to debate to change. I mean
whatever. But
>> it's a very good I'm saying it's a very
for us especially today as well.
very interesting video. very a lot of
interesting ver
I I should also mention
one year was before dollars
not
I think it was in the summer but I don't
remember exactly when I brought a group
not large and I think Zusha Zilstein
from Montreal also brought a group for
that chabis
Sunday morning we all stood in the
foyer.
The Reb comes from the house say or
something
and again I I am not clear what took
place but the Reb sent out to each and
every one of us
on a sticker. Right.
>> Let me pull it out. So,
>> you carry it in your wallet?
>> I carry it in my wallet
that it's not new already, but
this is the obviously
>> put a little closer.
>> It was on a sticker
>> on a roll and each one got one.
>> It's not a That's not a regular thing.
Qual
>> that's why I'm
I'm repeating things that were unique
otherwise what's the point of
>> so this I got also I told you that when
when I brought groups I I had on a
personal level such a
I felt that the Reb wanted it
wanted we should bring people to the Reb
wanted the Reb wants and I believe that
the to bring to the Rebim is is a
mitzvah
and
although I I I heard it myself but uh
let me ask you a question.
Is there any other story you want to
share because I want to ask you a
different type of question.
>> Go ahead.
I'm saying I'm listening to everything
that you're saying from your fathers
and uh
that you
were around then hearing from the Reb
importance of what you mentioned.
So it seems that I mean I'm especially
thinking about the letter that the Reb
wrote to your mother about uh the tap of
our what our job is in this generation.
Yeah.
>> So what like
this was all happening live then
and and you you you experience
it happening and you know in in real
time my question is that for today's
youth in Golite and Bakim
um I mean it's still the
so what is the how do we impart or live
with this uh knowing the importance
of the job of our generation. I guess
that's a a question.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm going to try to answer.
But there's another story which is I
think a very powerful story that I want
to share with you. So I can either share
it before your question or after your
question.
>> Share the story.
>> Yeah. Because this is something that uh
is not as known.
Not as known. It's not known unless a
few people that heard it. Uh I was tish
of B
my father four years wasn't by the reb
and he had the tremendous yearning to
come to the reb
was the second year where he established
the new school in Hollon and my fatherl
established and afterward he established
the school int
a tremendous activist
and
he wanted to come
but is the beginning of the year.
So somehow he is from
he was not
he said he didn't he said he can't go
he listened to him. So my again without
going into details my
>> but they work they work for that's the
setup
>> they got yeah officially the insisted
insisted
not to go into
but to go under
independent not
attached to any party but under
clear under the government
So
because of my father decided he's
leaving he arranged a substitute with
Alah and he came to New York
came to New York. So the way I remember
it is called him and told him that if he
would be
he would be told to
fly right back.
But this he's not being told. But he's
in Israel and all the answers he'll get
there.
You came without permission.
>> He's in Israel.
>> No. Yeah.
>> You don't you don't exist here.
>> Yeah.
Of course. Nothing.
You can imagine
what kind of
by by the way then to come to the reb
was was a half a year salary.
Can you imagine what he felt like?
The majority of the crowd did not know
about it. Just a few very intimate
friends.
So there was
I mean I can say who it was
by the name of Blejinski
was it from former role
a legend in his own name
he went in on
when he was he decided to tell the
rebsburg
is here and he's so heartbroken
maybe the reb
letter in
on his own. He asked the Reb.
The Reb responded and that's what I
telling you the way it is.
I'll say it in first.
The Reb lifted himself from the chair.
He says,
"When you send a soldier in the front
and he hears that the king comes in a
nearby
place and he will leave his post and go
and see the king." The Reb said, "If so,
I have no reason to sit here." In other
words, you got to be a soldier that that
listens to what he says. So
obviously he left the way he came.
Then he got letters from the
my father had afterwards a lot a lot of
the
you did wrong. Be aware
and that's it. You're a soldier. A
soldier needs to listen.
And I I think this is a very very strong
lesson which
I have in my life. Think about it many
times. We're soldiers. We
has to be that you have to know you have
a boss and you can do what you feel even
if spiritually you feel that this is
uplifting you. You got to know if this
is your post now. Can't go away from
your post.
So,
so I learned a tremendous lesson from
this story.
So, I felt that I should share it.
>> Okay. I think you answered my question.
>> Okay. I don't remember what exactly your
question was now, but uh
>> Okay. The Yan has to know that uh we
have a post.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. Gives us a post.
Yeah, we were assigned and bashem I
I know that this is my in life.
Everybody has to know that they have
their in life and changing is is that's
what the Reb wants us to do and that's
what we need to do and that's what we
continue to do
again.
>> Amen.
>> Amen. Amen. Okay. Gansburg and uh you
said it's 50 years, right?
>> 50 years. Yeah.
>> So uh should be for the next 50 years.
>> Amen.
>> After the mill is also
let let him come already from then on
we'll we'll work.
>> We'll figure it out. Okay. And uh
thank you very much
>> for listening.
hope that some benefit will come out of
it.
>> I I believe that a tremendous amount
will.
>> Okay. Thank you.