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Well, there's no doubt that Hamas is
definitely not friendly to Israel, but
do you believe all Palestinians are
somehow guilty of whatever Hamas's
crimes are?
>> Well, it's funny because certainly
Israel and Jews worldwide are often, I'm
not saying you're doing this, held
accountable for the actions of the
Israeli
>> record, I'm definitely not.
>> Totally not. But, I'm talking about the
culture out there in which, you know,
Israelis who are being harassed in
restaurants and, you know, college
campuses.
>> That's terrible.
>> It's a It's an interesting double
standard. But, um yeah, I really just
haven't seen
>> Mhm.
>> You know, I have seen a really strong,
vocal left peace movement in Israel for
decades and decades and decades. An
anti-Netanyahu uh uh sentiment in the
population. You see it all the time. You
see it in the press. You said you have
Israeli scholars who are hostile to
their own state and they're and uh and
want nothing
>> had a member of unit 8200 on with me
saying,
you know, it ripping the policies and
whatnot of Netanyahu.
>> Right, right. And and you don't see that
in the on the Palestinian side. I do not
see, and maybe correct me if I'm wrong,
point to me in the direction of a really
strong, unified peace movement that
seeks coexistence and uh uh acceptance
of the Jewish state alongside a
Palestinian state. I don't I haven't
seen that since it's inception in '48,
since Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand
Mufti of Jerusalem, rejecting whole
cloth this idea of Jews on this
sovereign Islamic land. It's an
ideological, religious dispute for them.
It's not a geographical one. I just
don't see it. I think it's a wishful
thinking. I think we buy into this
delusion that there's a peaceful partner
on the other side. There never really
has been from
you know, just me watching as a
spectator and experiencing this and, you
know, knowing a lot of this firsthand, I
I haven't seen any of that. You don't
see protests in the streets of Gaza
calling for two states with Israel.
Anyone who even attempted to do that
would be, you know, killed as
collaborators. But, they don't get held
for some reason. There's a a soft
bigotry of low expectations and no
expectations are held on that side for
any agency. They're completely absolved.
Israel seems to be the only actor in the
region. They're always, you know, it's
always uh you know, Israel's enemies
that are reacting to Zionist aggression,
never the other way around. And I find
it totally baffling.
