Yud Gimmel Middos; A Halachic Deep Dive | Rabbi Dr. Eliezer Brodt

[Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr elazar BR it is a pleasure to be sitting here with you the week of rashash rashash starts this upcoming chabas and the topic we would like to discuss is extremely relevant for these days have just begun saying and the PK comes up extremely often it's said multiple times during it's going to be said multiple times during Thea on R oner so Rabbi BR figured he'll cover some of the interesting topics and points that are relevant to Hashem hasem you may not come across in your regular and regular literature so I'll let BR tell you exactly what he'll be discussing however I would like to thank our sponsor who suggested this topic and is sponsoring this topic that is theer family they're dedicating this episode and shim whose yard sites are both coming up during Thea and also in memory of all the learning and knowledge gained from this episode being for their BR how are you today okay so as I mentioned this is going to be about I don't think you're GNA be discussing the regular that are relevant theough that's very important and a person should spend some time learning what the words mean if they're going to be saying them so often over the next couple weeks but you're going to be covering some of the other aspects of Y and uh with that I turn over the microphone to you okay so basically it's like this as you said we say this many times in this the month of elen tire so it's an excuse to speak about some of the aspects some are known some are less known um that's the topic okay and through this will springboard into some other important aspects that relate to these special days that are amongst us right now but the question is how in the world did I get to this topic in the first place and the answer is like this back in 2005 I used to DAV by the minion of rash on chabas and Y every week almost for a few years so in 2005 Kipper yipper fell out on chabas soash at night and after daving prominent person comes over and asks yashiv what's going to be tomorrow when they take out the there's a famous Min which we'll discuss a little bit today about which we say three times and then we say afterwards do we say it and the the person who was asking the question was using the as a source where the said you should say the soash made with his hand and said basically not to say the yug son Chavis okay um now this fellow gave a whole druss afterwards to three four people that were listening to him have people say over sucking from yashiv not reliable and you have to know whatever okay say there meanwhile the next morning was not in SCH iner he did not make it to he DED at home I think they had laning for him and stuff in his house but he didn't come to sh the ker they get up to taking out the sa they're opening up the sa so all of a sudden the start saying someone screams out from the back what are you doing last night notti was standing there said that's true he did passing like that but afterwards we came home opened up the M sees the says to say and that's what he said that's what the is so now in the we're going to say problem is like this this fellow wasn't there I have no doubt that this fellow went to his Yeshiva and made a whole T and said I just last night asked said this and this and he didn't know already had changed his mind he had seen inside the and that's it okay the Ks are that night already I went home and I started looking to the topic what's the thing what's what's going on yes to say it not to say it what's the story Kipper all what's even the origin Weir do where does it come from to say this these this spe this special of what's going on I started and I and I fell into the rabbit hole and I I'm still deep into this Rabbit Hole I have definitely not come out of it I've written about it four different times each time gets bigger and bigger um and I actually I'm working on it's gonna be a massive chapter in a book that I'm working on okay but what there's obviously a lot of things that we could talk about just from the actual storyin um okay that and there's a lot of different things but we're not going to do that today I just wanted to backtrack and to talk to start talking about the yugas and we'll get to some of the questions as it relates to also and that's his F looking into this so you see okay we know it's F now the great of Daniel GM in the introduction to his that he put out he writes by how we we there's a key word we call them where where does it come from and all the different hug of there's the say from already they say already from the beginning of all and there's there's multiple mhag when one looks in the m and as you the further back you go you'll see there's old different and when to say it what what you say each day and he basically he says that if you look if you start all the way back in the times of the or even earlier whatever sources we have it's very unclear what happened but one thing is very clear the central that was that's relates to and was is beyond important is the and interestingly enough in a recent article sh today's expert the world's expert of and and these she documents showing how everything is built around all theas that we say today is built around the say they started saying and then from there different FS were added at different times and different times when it was said etc etc was also said on Aus um okay now that's what they discuss and this this interesting article in the Bas in the from Tesla in from London who wrote All About the documenting the Seder of when it said mean to say the ofus less known is a lot of times it was originally said during of the shat by that's when they would say the um and we're going to see a little bit about that soon okay this is the the um so the point is is beyond fundamental it's it's very important in the in all of has built about it and we know that especially as you DAV it comes up very often okay now the we go to the gamar famous gamar rashash many many people talk about different aspects of the which says like this it says if it didn't say it in the we would not be able to say it then it says and he showed him do this right away rash say on the fast days so we see already that there was something on Aus they would say the okay that's rash now obviously there's a lot to discuss in this gar as you mentioned these yugas what are the yug and what's the after you know which words in theim are referring to the yis how do we know what the ti of what's the explanation of each one so I'm going to take plead the fifth over here because the mar here says what are they and everything this is what the says so I will go with the mar over here but there's a lot of discussion in various places listing out what they are and all different aspects okay so one of the things you see in this gar is it says was was wearing a Talis like now it doesn't say the words Talis but it says says the um he brings down so first he says it's not that he showed him physically it was B but the point was he was a sh and he was wearing a Talis then the brings down that this was the Talis that had was a white Talis that he wore when he created the world okay now this we find a few times the mar says such a thing um listing the library of the he list that he says this a few times but the sh is what is the safer so I heard um and I checked it up and it's true from a few times fromi that he says that he was able to locate that the sa Yash is the from we have the saer today a very saer in the world of cabal and many the few times the mar brings down you'll find it's over there okay but this V that the mar says that it wasn't live but it was also in the r and also says another same thing that it's like so was says interesting he asked the Mal to do it okay anyway now to say for him and hug him that what does that the shots is supposed to wear a Talis how do we know this from this and then he says even more oner at night we also wear it why because oner at night we're saying and you should make the then he talks about he talks about the sh of saying you um when do you make the BR because if you can make the bra at night or we put on the T we do it before okay so to the brings down that you're supposed to wear a Talis when you're saying the yugas so so obviously there's a question I don't um um I'm not going to go into tub but some people you find in shoes you'll see that people they even not only the shs they wear a Talis during the um during this during and it could be that it has to do with this this because it's not only that was was the but it was that it was being worn if especially if you look in the way Isaac T says it was being worn while Yas was being said okay another nuda that's brought down is do you need to save from with a loud voice so makes in the that you should say brings down another P that you should say it he brings us down from a now that's another nuda in the aspects of um y another is you have to make sure to say it with great kav this um okay so now getting when we say you need to you need to say this with great kavana this leads us to the next topic very briefly which is a F this is a famous in the and that's as follows there's AER called a very from Rapaport soim Rapaport the middle of his drush is giv shaba he talking about that people don't have proper kavas from the D and then he throws out there he says we say and we say and we don't say it with kavana we're saying it so many times and um and we want to be we want to get the BR that says bris you need to say it with he th so he throws this out there and he lists some other things that were not properly during this time so now what does this lead us to and that is as FSE many people ask we find that we say these numerous numerous times in the month of el and TI and the gar says and we find that it's not our are not answered so what's we have the we say it so many times and it's not answered so many people um deal with this question and and they come up with theide and will just just to be just to illustrate there's a lot of questions in this gar that one of the points they point out is a safer called from very wrote a beautiful sa he has a beautiful contr on a lot of aspects of the so he throws out there you look at this gar what's this that it says what what's going on in the gar that the gar is being Mish such a pratt so turns out that the brother of the Alber in his beautiful earlier in the saer from R called printed in 1570 and even earlier his amazing and the list is endless who else says this idea they say as follows the point is not to just say it you have to act upon it that is the key point in the gamar when the gamar says means you have to emulate and do the same does when you do that that's when Brisa will happen and this is and and now so the obvious question is how does one act like a so very simple you pull out your local which um one of the most famous classical works in the mus world even though it's a little cabalistic but there's plenty plenty of nigla and you go through the saf of time especially during these days and you learn through it and the time is a practical way how to how to do a downto earth way so to speak of doing different things of the and emulating so now I found the fascinating idea that relates to this in an incredible chuva called from rakov shapir Chu told Yakov he has a whole discussion about different Mitzvah that we find that the gar brings it down and you don't find it in the P so one discussion that he has in this Kamar in this truva is we find this um we find it's known that there's a just like he's you're supposed to so it's not brought down anywhere so he says like this I heard from is he says that that he brings this was and then he says like this we say the this is that in the this period of time and they're not getting answer what's going on so he says the answer is because they're not they you have to fear I you have to do the so and that's the problem that we're not being it's not just to say it this is what he says in this relating to this topic okay anyway carrying on into this um Su so hold on yeah okay now there's a different question which is dealt with is can y finds himself he came late to daving whatever the situation is can say in so there's it's already discussion if a could ever say brings down from all the various which is in where it talks about the not to and if you need to to say it a famous where he says to say it with the okay not say it um only if he does need to say it he should not say it unless he does it with the like this fine now already the this is AAL we're going to see shortly he doesn't understand what's the problem to say what should be the problem that can't say them okay the throws out there that even in say it what does he mean why is he th why is he M even so he says I'm arguing on and then he brings some that that he he says they say cannot say okay what's what's he talking about so the that he's referring to is a sa from this is one of the primeus writing it says over there then it says the words that's when cannot stop and say and I'm gonna explain what this means in a moment his was a little earlier from says this he brings which we don't have he brings that says only could you say but if it's not then then he one could say the okay what's going on the answer is and if you look also you'll see the throws out there when he's handling the sh dealing with the the what's going on the answer is the answer the answer is that if you know when they used to say the they used to say the during that's what it's referring to so say he shouldn't say but let's say he wants to say it after be that technically you would be able to now the now there a ramban ramban also this ramban was published the first time in some interesting sa for in 1844 a few other times that could say is what's going on here me say during a ESS it sounds like it's clar not to say it but there's a there's a May chuva we say it so many times and maybe there's a y that he has for whatever reason he's not home he's not in what what what's going on behind it what would be the reason that they could why is a May TR different than the rest of the year okay so this is an excuse to talk about a very important not so well known and that is like this we know cha is about Chua but it turns out cha has to it and that is there's during this period of time that has nothing to do with the Chua maybe the chuva is is is but it's also an independent found in in thei thei says specifically that it's a man that s um it's and and it's and there's other to show that the there a special okay there's there's in in the and there's there's other in different M we're not going to go through all the M what's what's the over here and what what could possibly be in behind this it comes out that so first like this one is because there's a special power of the of could be answered in and this so it seems I saw this F some a fellow RAB Spielman in Lakewood many years ago talking to him about this he told me that like this where is this the reason I'm saying this because a few times I said it people can't want to know where it is so just to there's a sa called from the brother of tremendous tremendous he's famous in the Yesa world for putting out the blue reers as it's known so he also is a tremendous and he put out a bunch of he has a sa on the dreams in the G in he doesn't write his name in the safer so that but anyway in the back of the safer he has up a piece reading about he brings that he heard from someone who heard from that the that he even not ding with a minion in it's so powerful now obviously Bing with a is even more powerful but theud is um when I when I first uh many years ago someone it seems his son was found himself in a situation maybe his wife gave birth or something and he wasn't able to D with minion at least some point in time during he felt very bad and then he saw this and he was all much commer so to speak but anyway the point is that there's this there's a lot to talk about this I'm I'm having rman you can refer to you're supposed to promote so I'm going to promote my safer that I wrote called Ben where I have a whole chapter about this um a few chapters about it dealing with all different aspects of this based on um that I heard from my reab RAB sh Spitz in this but further than this further than this that says this topic that we're talking about he says's a whole say he says but during printed from also fascinating published a few years ago we have to give a shout out to thiser says that he also talks about the and saying says that's the most powerful time of then it will work then okay but the point is it's I'm trying to show that it's Rak K there there possibly there's more to it and even though the ramban seems to say that a y could say it always but it seems not like that but at least during because of a tremendous thing one should keep in mind during this period of time okay now next topic is when does one say it and this comes up every year the first night the minut is from wherever that minut comes from to say it on mat shabas the first time but there's a whole one is and a whole TL what about if there's there's different times there needs people find that they have to say it earlier um older people younger people kids or something want to down with some type of Minion there's a TR about it has a piece where he tries to be make about it also recently there was um I picked up when I was in America last time called which has in it a whole lengthy piece from raniel Rak from um maybe it's LA and he has from sorry from Chicago and this D has a whole piece dealing about that has to be after what's the of the whole sh so first brings down says the following so from here this starts the whole theud this is the whole di the and this is the whole discussion now interestingly enough when this is totally in a in a lot of this a lot of discussion which we're not going to go into just to mention some briefly the one is so now and others which we discussed in the episod that he used these far all the time now the point is that um it's brings down that it's and the point is is it so the ra doesn't say anything about whereas says something to do with is does a predate so just recently I found the printed in 1570 this is the lifetime but nothing to do with but he says you have to say it later on from so we see already before the saying such a but the r doesn't make such an emphasis so it's obviously it's going to be totally in a um it's not a sh you have to ask your local Orthodox rabbi what to do and when is this is also the first over there the Mal talks about it and this is a great discussion about it and like everything else just last week some a fellow put out a whole safer called where what's the safer to deal with exactly from all the different M when is fine so obviously um one should look there also for some and just one last in the is the fromat this is not such a well-known safer but or you safer but he talks about the and he talks about he says that there's another reason not a cabalistic reason but that's a time is not you're not and you're able to in these late hours some people might say what do you mean staying up late at night um the first night and everything I'm much more ruggle maybe to say get getting up early also my mind it's opposite okay but this this is what the say says is already him over here okay so these are some of theim and obviously there's many many more inan that one could go through on this on this gar but now we go back to the story that I was talking about just some of the that relates to us even though it's not Yer so we're going to focus more on the rash aspect is like this we say so I said up till now um we're discussing as far as is concerned that it's such a focal point and all the different aspects but before when one takes out to say a to say three times and then afterwards where does that come from so there's a it's called it seems to be published around 1660 the first time and over there brings down [Music] from he should ask should have when does one do this so this is a which um elsewhere I've I've demonstrated that this was an important source for the in using AR he got it from this okay now but it says over here interesting L it talks about um r we don't fast at least most of us don't fast and most of us don't fast and a lot of us say this and other times when we say let's say we already started saying this so what's going on SOA the earliest source that we have for this Min V brings down that his father found in the of the Aral where it says the following that he used like the of this plays out in a whole discussion about what the meaning of what was the it says you should do it there's a dou on and many of the sources that bring this down talk about this with involved in it now there's a long long list a long list but I'm not going to go and bring you all the names and but suffice it to say that mostly not Farm a more famous cabalistic farm that had a tremendous influence on on hugas that they crept into M but they mostly talk about Tinus so much so if you look where does this even come into the first time is 1757 that's well after the arel dies well after the M who's fond of the doesn't bring the dam SOA which is only published after his death in 1757 is one of the first times that this has even brought down safer and the had that was sent to that also deal with this discussion in in the 1770s so it takes time for it to creep into the H discussion and I'm emphasizing this soon we'll understand what I mean about the conversation but first the question is how does it get famous is it earlier do we know from before 1757 the answer is yes and and that will answer why it doesn't talk about Tinus this doish of Tinus and that is as follows there's a a very very famous called sh from Han which is published in 1662 and then again in 1671 in this saer we find that it says and then it says to say a special then it also says same thing now he doesn't say anything about T he doesn't talk about El he does not talk about Tinus and all the different things that we find in many many other M that I'm not mentioning there so before anything the sh is what's why do we say it during this period of time of so that the answer is it's brought already in other early and we know this we say also is a special during this period of time you can find in the and many other M um that say such a thing that and that's why we say at this period of time that's why we say at this time and there's many sources for such a thing but the sh is of where is it coming from so so so I said the so let's backtrack a drop about to say for he's very important that is as follows this he's very important because he wrote the one of the most famous chronological uh um historical work on he survived theat the 1648 story where many many y were killed we have as a as a Tinus was made because of it buter he wrote all about it in his work called y fine who was he he it turns out he's a tal of is a but kids are this safer if you open up the saer sh and you have to understand it was published well over a hundred times and it was used pieces from this safer were put into and across the board hundreds of places what is it that he [Music] has the earliest sources of saying it came from this safer published we said in the 1660s so now we understand how come this is so important because this is a very important safer and the once it was in the it went it was cut and pasted everywhere okay he writes in HISD which was not as well known because most of the additions don't have this SD but he learned by the great who who learned by and he says I had all different things tons of I heard from different people and different mist and he lists it all out in this beautiful introduction what's for all is that he is saying that his stuff comes from it doesn't have the the dou of fasting but it says that it has this concept of yug saying the and saying the okay now but there's no discussion in this safer what about and what could be the reason not to say it then we're going to discuss momentarily but the point is like this the very fond of quoting he deals with the Su multiple multiple times in his various F we're not going to bother to list out everything that he says about this but he br down the Min was to say it after and um he has all he has a few different other aspects what about do you say it okay fine what about Ripper so he brings in one place he says then he says some people don't say it whenas but some people do what about yipper which goes back to the in my story that it sounds like much more people said it okay he raises all different conversations discussions um we're not going to go through all that right now but the question is like this what is behind why wouldn't one be able to say okay so we turn to the and he says this elsewhere in his writings in in he brings down there's a truis which says that onas one should not say perod of time is not referring to of saying it before but he's referring to to ever say now what's going on is if you look up in that this is now before anything obviously we have to speak out and already on his on says what are you talking about you're bringing me bringing me and it'sa that what it's possibly a forgery okay this is one of the greatest forgeries possibly which is its own long discussion which we're not going to go into now the turns out that brings down you do say there's a rush that says you do okay fine anyway what happens is especially and also all types of questions come up what could we say and could we do on shabas and that's really what's the story going on over here which is a on a regular shabas if one could ask for their own needs from so it's and that you're not supposed to be on chabas so now what about R now the question is like this this is the so when else are you supposed to ask SOI maybe normally on a shabas a regular chabas we won't do but maybe this should be different so we haveit the great God many years ago put out a booklet listing out dozens of different issues that come up in this sh and playing out throughout all different areas of later on it was included in his okay but we're not going to go through all that but just so if you look in the seems to be going back and forth about this at one point he says in Mar um we say everyone knows he says we add in all these what's going on over here so he says powerful thing says it should go out and it sounds like he held it um fine um well and he deals with this elsewhere in Mar he deals with an you see him struggling with it at one point he talks about this also of our the said it so maybe has to say it so he struggles with the sh also okay but the point is that that's the whole sh that bring forget about even if the is accurate or not the is and the is rash so we see go so far says you shouldn't be saying problem is that's a very strange thing to say talking about has a beautiful TR about it and he says even on R even on y they would say they would say he brings down this he brings down the and he says he says interesting theud he says forer and even why because he points to the gar that there the world it's when else are you supposed to ask for things if not in the so we can't or maybe you could that's that's its own conversation which um is a Hot Topic on this week of um people talk about but what about saying the wants to remove says it say and you would be able to say so to his son similarly that Dar also says the same based on this um similar to the to the says this independently okay um and and interestingly enough there's also pass like this because it's so then we could be interestingly enough one other for this is follows two more and then we'll go to one last topic and that is as follows we know many people have the um growing up I always thought it was just a Min which is on rash and some people they say after daving and it's brought down why because of a school OFA turns out this is a this is also from the B Med of we have now probably the earliest source for this the safer place of V I spoke a little bit about in the past the magic saer of V brings down such a that it's a school OFA what are you doing saying this and we don't find if this what's going on um and and we see that they a regular R they said it and I think people are not even is definitely M to say it and there's a there's a beautiful saer Z Italian God he talks about this with this sh and he also concludes that there will be to be because this is the time this is the and it's and all these things of course one could beak fora and to be M this over here is there's a beautiful which is a of his about and he has a whole lengthy piece where he's talking about the famous we mentioned already about say and all these things and he says these days are different and and it's and it's different than all other times and you would be allowed to at least holds you will be allowed to for someone on this plays out as I said multiple different things and one could see in the of or theer ofit about this to okay now just to ass sign one last thing and that is very briefly we say this three times we say you this three times and the truth is we find especially in Yer at the end of Y we say a few different multiple times one right after the other and this is a question which already G in of Frankfurt he asks three times where do you find such a thing um and he struggles with this and he doesn't understand we find that we we know in the gar if someone says make him you make him be quiet so how could it be you say one after the other after the other three times he doesn't understand is saying something three times we spoke about in the episode about the origin of already brings that there's such a thing because he say call three times there is something behind saying things three times but maybe you going read this we wouldn't say three times that's and this is what is pointing out so this is a whole discussion there's a Chas of the thean about this a fromin and there other M and they say that we're saying this when we're saying these we're saying only for so then it will be M to say it it's not and then it wouldn't have this is a from the that we would not have to be make one be quiet is also interesting in the from the even though he doesn't write it that's who it is and from him also it sounds like he was asked specifically about and he says he's also that it's not a problem and one does not one can say not like rer asks and it's not a problem based on the garas obviously one has to learn through the garas and the over there to see what the exact and the Chas are anyway this is just to mention briefly some of the various discussions that come up from the as I said it's just an excuse for me to talk about it based on my uh story with obviously we could speak much more about it but we have okay thank you lots and lots of Interest think points and aspects greatly appreciated um would you like to pull out a book and talk about a book maybe you have a book that's even related I don't put you on the spot but maybe somewhere in that pile you have something that's related to the topic right so there are there definitely are books on Yus but we'll just quote a different book a new book that just came out it's called the warmth and Radiance of G is personal accounter personal accounts encounters and experiences R aish David this book is published by Mosaic press um and Feld distributed in America it's 168 Pages um now and then there's a few pages introduction what is this this book basically rabish David and a disclaimer I was not paid for he does not know that I'm even saying this he probably he doesn't have access to hearing this but basically over his lifetime he was Meet many different and Learn by many an interesting and at one point a few years ago he he was he was not able to leave his house he had some problem with his foot so he wrote some Memoirs of stories but it's not just stories it's with Tyra that he heard from them fascinating different at the time Albert Raa Rik Sal who we learned by him for many many years r p a beautiful um account of his learning in yesman fascinating stuff neans and others fascinating book I highly recommend it I happen to know the author he's my Rabbi in ches I heard many of these stories from him I believe he's reliable person so that's why I'm recommending this book but um I'm not getting paid from anyone recommending it so you don't have to buy it but I do think it's a beautiful book okay so someone's looking for some reading over Yanti by the way we should mention RAB BR sends out every every before Yan proper grammar every before y before Yanti he always sends out an email um with a list of reading material a lot of very fascinating content if you 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