Yalag, R' Yosef Zechariah Stern and the Kutzo Shel Yud Pt. 02

[Music] foreign [Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr lieza Brook it's a pleasure to have you back for part two on the kuch where we discuss yalag and lahavdil abusive the highest turn everybody's gonna do a quick recap and then get into part two where he'll close out some of the things that he started talking about in the first episode of this topic okay so basically to recap in in a few sentences is we were talking about a poem a poem story that yalag wrote in the 1870s where he's poking fun at a lot of different things including the robotum at the time one of the things in the story was about a get how the gut is spelled if it's spelled with a Hello spelled with Malay or not with an extra urine with a yur in there I mean and he was poking fun specifically about zacharya and we basically quoted at the end the lotion of um yalag where he said that one died the way one spells hello is Jose the second person or second die in paste where then comes along the the avbezen I guess this is alluding to hit and we identified that the Zam is the safe as a commercial which we spoke about a few episodes back and the Sam is which we also spoke about a few episodes back now so what I what I wanted to do in this episode very very briefly it's not a long episode but it's just to go a little take a little deeper dive into some of the sources behind specifically with the name Hillel as it relates to the story first of all is what's what what's going on here who is what's going on where did this come from so in brief it says fowls in general we know in halacha there's a there's a whole big discussion Kabbalah ain't going we ain't going down that rabbit hole now it's a rabbit hole we won't get out of but in evaneser it's very not it's not so common to have clashes so to speak or discussions between halacha and Kabbalah is not so much so many sources here you have um this is a source that shows such a thing where is it coming from so the base so he's really getting it from the bay shmuel but where did the way shmuel get it from so we already elaborated that the shmuel had a safer called safer Shea mice and they say for shame ice we discussed already at length the safest Sheamus has a huge entry two and a half pages about the name Hill and he literally brings down a ton of goes back and forth with everything including the manuscripts that he had which I elaborated um that he had he announces in his introduction that he had a bunch of manuscripts besides also a point that I did not notice and emphasized before he was expert in languages so he puts he puts this work out in 1657 but the magia of this work was a yidra Maisha zakut who's one of the great makobalam um he transcribes a lot of Kabbalah and today we have tons of materials that's been published I uh in the past you could you you I've always I always mentioned there's such a thing as auctions or literally very recently there seems to be an auction one could probably still buy it for a few thousand dollars excavativism fact in from his best in but anyway manuscripts of his coming out Galore to understand his role in Kabbalah one should see the various works of yasu vavivi originally In Articles and later on has Cabela sarisa but he's an important figure in transmitting Tyrus Ariza so now this reminds you he was also for parnassa he was an editor of farm so he was the editor of this for my of this simha Klein's work say for Shameless so at the end of that Rico it's about how to spell Hillel he throws in he's throws anaris out he says like this um um and he says that the reason says hello it is memory uh memory whom you say memories that's one abbreviation that's my that's the abbreviation militia is the abbreviation hello and and this is it ties into kabbalistic stuff but we point is that there's some connection with Sheamus Maisha and Hillel together but that comes out according to this Ariza Hillel is hasser so through this thing he throws us out so last time um in the early on in the episode we already pointed out that if you look at let's say the Marshall and many others they bring down that everyone's seeking had sources how to spell hello so he brought down from the martial who brought down from earlier that if you look at the end of the Torah it says so from there we learn out a similar type of thing that Hill how to spell hello so if you go if you look at the the last so he said so we were bothered a question which was what's going on here such funny things to use for sources um if someone wanted to mock they would say some type of what's going on here what's wrong what's your major Zach could do it but the answer is and this law is in the martial in the passage of the martial also the martial one is the martial is struggling for chat for how to spell hello so he brings down um maybe you could bring a riot from how the gemaras are which will get how it's spelling of we'll get back to that he says he can't bring awry from that then he says there's a famous thing there's another name that has a big deal Akiva how do you spell Akiva with an alif at the Endura hey at the end how do we pass again so interestingly enough this was a story which is brought down in numerous sources but today we have the real source there was a person that came and and basically it says the Russian safe Russia tables of the passage was Akiva spelling of the hay and from there they learned out that that's the way um one spells um Akiva so we see so and the martial already brings this into the discussion that we see that um we see that such types of things such type of of tools are used when you're when we when we're stuck so to speak and we need to know how to spell the name how to spell the name so it's not so um okay now uh what was the Apostle the the famous the story was something with he saw in his dream arsaries of the whole possible the last letter of simcha's hey so that's how they knew that when you're spelling Akiva they use that even though there's many makairists maybe to spell Akiva with olive okay so the martial already answers that in his before he talks about his interesting REM as that he's using to spell Hill okay fine so all I'm trying to bring out is that we have we do fine such a thing so now the baishma is going even further he's taking what the haggar of zakot which was he was just uh was just adding in to throw it in and then he's using it as a sack which okay sorry now um so um one and one last uh Prat about this type of this type of of drushi type material my my dear friend Roman ahm zilber so he um sent me to a fascinating which is a darshan also around this time of the in the 1650s 1660s all over Europe and um mikitsar he has a whole stickled Tyra discussing the the con the similarities between hello and Maisha and interestingly enough he brings down um and he and he brings down from oh from guys that will come out not like the way with but that Hillel would be Molly so it's interesting when you're using the different Muslim you can find the remnants this way and you can find the Uranus that way anyway so this isn't found that in a dress on the topic We're not gonna we're not um this is way above um my pay grade at least so I'm just just throwing it out there okay well now one other aspect which we really touched on in an earlier episode and I just want to focus on this um and that is this vowels the martial says you're stuck you want to know how to spell the name so what do you do open up a gamara hello comes up and all the time so martial says he can't but why not so the answer is you can bring a riot from twos once it's published it's a mistakes Krypton and the martial held very strongly that he can't this plays out on other names where they wanted to bring Ariah from now I I mentioned to you um in in earlier episodes we spoke about one of the keys Farm on Hillcrest and he also a lot of times he also says oh he'll bring Araya from a certain bibliographical piece of information in a shower or something else come say no no it's fuss now but we but we mentioned already in the episode where we discussed the Deep dive of he said but manuscripts that's why they collected manuscripts of get them you brought up Rabbi shui brought up that that the best today they hold on to the get they do but it seems that in in earlier times they also did this but it was passed down to Diana it was let's see kept archives in the best in in that City so they would go back they would use manuscript information because manuscripts it's often a manuscript we don't have to assume that the printer because we're using it in a get so in Hanami to use Hillel in the gemara maybe there's a printing mistake maybe the the broker has that sir made a mistake but if you have to get that that's going to be that's going to be much different and and this is why we we also quoted that the the famous story there's a famous story with that he wrote a letter and then he really he had them bring it back because he was writing his he was writing a letter to his daughter and he spelled it a certain way and then he realized that maybe they're going to use it as a gift how to spell her name and Paka that's what ended up happening so the point was because sir there was a focus and a concern in the caveat of a god though if you find or today when you go on the internet all the time you can find dozens and dozens of truvers of good Island so that is much more possible to bring Araya from uh God will how he spelled his name especially if it's a get if that's a get that was given in a certain person and and you would have it in your archive of your best that's why certain things almond others collected gitton or checked kitten now what's interesting is this relates to uh our when we discuss episodes all the episodes with manuscripts you see here them using manuscripts live manuscripts they're stuck have you pass can how do you write the name one of the ways you need to collect manuscripts of get them from way way back with your before him Zalman and others had in their collections okay now just to conclude this Pratt and and this will get us to with um back to our basis the highest turn it says files what does it mean that Marshall is nervous about that there's a printing mistake so I I once came across this a while ago and ever since then um this has helped me understand much better what's the problem and that is like this basically the the there's an assumption there's a sitter I think I spoke about this briefly in one of the episodes he was requested by the guadalum of the time the martial and many others that the sitter was full of mistakes to put out a proper sitter a pedict and and one of the things was he used many manuscripts that they had at that time and he was going to put out a publisher Center La maisa he did all the work it never happened until recently in our generation we have this incredible Suitor from which has a scammers from the daily Islam of Nevada now one of the nakudas was he has a recess attire what's the correctness so at one point someone he had early prints and manuscripts so someone said oh you bring Araya from early first of Krakow or early Venezia and then even other manuscripts he says no you can't bring Araya why and this seems to be a very true you say people that have investigated this have shown this that it could very well be is the McGee even in manuscripts the magia could sometimes put something in the way he says it so let's say in shul he's used to saying a certain he himself he might change the nursery and they've proven they have ways to prove this that he so let's say he's capping a safer it doesn't say what it is he thinks he's doing you a taiva and he copies the nusok but he'll put in a word he'll make a minor change based on the music that he has so let's say he's a he's using a um a smarty Source but he's Ashkenazi he might change this Spidey source to reflect his meaning how he Dives and shul and he can't bring awry from it so this is cipher proves foreign spells a certain way but it could be it's reflecting not the way it's really how how it really is it's just that the magia is tampering with it for whatever reason so you can't prove anything now what does this have to do with Ruby was have to do with us to conclude I said in the in the last episode say about hello do we know so this matsia I owe my character to two people number one I heard um Professor Schneider's Alma Lyman many many years ago in um he this he mentioned this he discovered this and then later on I found that this Yehuda Freeland who also wrote excellent article on the sugar could he um also found this Source what is it basically in 1994 Mahoney publishes from manuscript revises the highest turns chuvist on evanizer so they weren't around up till now up till that time so taka turns out he has a massive chuvan Hill and he does not conclude this way yala claims that Rogers zaharia concludes that that that's the big scoop so to speak that uh lineman and Freelander discover now but what to me was fascinating is when you go through this chuva here you see his turn in his full Glory he literally brings down everything on the topic literally all this Farm I'm not going to bore you with all the names but literally everything and then some [Music] that we spoke about last time which is not partially how to even understand that he handles he brings down a true visibility at one point he brings down a liquid safer called beer manachim that's being Malachi sucking from her before and he says by the way you might take it wrong with prime example doesn't say it right so he's holding in the even the lika's farm to point out okay then he even says another thing that it could be he says he's called the tacos maybe they didn't want to have Hillel and get them why because Hillel was Medusa Aaron who was Charlotte who made Shalom so therefore they didn't want to spell it but then he ends off mamish with Incredible Zimbabwe's in your shamis and everywhere literally different ways how they spelled hello and when you finish with that then you can understand what that you can't it's not so simple it would not be so simple to conclude one way or the other from often above is because it seems that there's macarus for Hillel with a with a Mali in if you have the incredible okay but the point is um and this is the this is what lies behind the martial okay now um now just two more points in the in this and that's his files when when we were discussing by Rick Ross what's going on over here we said that it's not besides for uh manuscripts and all these types of things what how does one pass can help us names so one of the ways is I said you have to be bakient but that's not always enough there's something called Messiah and we Define what Messiah is so I said in the sugya Messiah a lot of people talk about it there is the you have um there's a marriage over here the safer Shameless says something fascinating he says there's a whole deal that's where the whole story starts is it says a person and then what the Messiah says is it with them is it Molly Hillel over here is Malay in the rest of time it's concerts again print you can't bring Uriah from the from the way because the because it could be the bachar has that sir so to speak also changed it again so even here we're handling and we're showing that even possibly you want to bring a ride from a serial one with other maybe he changed it already based on how he knows how Hillel spells is a common name okay now so so here so here's the idea number one a lot of times we find a a manuscript a discovery that shows that way way back they already we're aim it on a lot of the things that we're handling so here The Story begins with Rebecca Margolis they point out they find a completely different chuva of the Mario um a fascinating chuva yitzuk SATs publishes in the 70s and this truvo de maril a mamish it comes you see you see they're handling all different things just to highlight everything very briefly the what how do you spell hello brings up our shifter because a few other people knew and the Messiah so he says what do you mean bring Araya from the gamaras now this is in the manuscript period of time up till now I'm talking is the martial is talking in the period of time of twos but what about in the manuscript time I gave a whole stick will tell you that in the manuscript time maybe you could bring Araya so the answer is no you can't bring a riot from he so he says here no you can't bring a rally it's not so Pasha to bring Araya from manuscripts so um how it spells Hillel in the various places in hazal so therefore they were stuck they had to come up with the zika from from the last words in the time Israel that's hello that it's and it's a Molly okay that was what the show you brought all this information then you see the my real handling about it and he also says that you don't bring Araya from the gamaras and the reason why I don't bring Araya from the gamaras is because it could be someone changed it and so what's fascinating is you're seeing mamish what were chopsy Cipher said in the sither that you such a nakuda for us in the Messiah and then but you see he also he says and they're not they're not clear what it seems as an issue with the manuscript exactly it sounds like he's not so into the REM is from Laney call you stroll from the Earth to pascan that it should be Mullen anyway the point is that you see sometimes uh you have a marimakum of achuva and we see everything that we discussed up till now was already hundreds of years earlier okay now to finish off this episode is what plant is tunakudas number one is like this it's sort of a side track um I've been accused in the past of going down Rabbit Hole so I'm gonna have rahmanas I'm doing a rabbit hole in a period of four minutes five minutes and that is his finals as I as I've been showing there's a um to know how to spell the names it's not enough to just be a Bucky and call terracular shots and everything we see here you have to know Messiah what Messiah is so the village in his Parish over here not only in the Simmons of Hillel where we showed that he has a tremendous Havana in Messiah and he uses to heal him he also a bunch of times passkins and deals with Messiah and spelling of the names including quoting one of the classic early works on the serial okay now so so it's interesting like this one of the people that gave the haspid on the villagan was a great guy at the time um famous for writing a work called afikihuda one of the things that he talks about us is that he was expert in diktok and messiers now all these types of things he spells this out in a beautiful poem that he wrote at the end of his husband that he gave when he when the girl was lifter is like this when the girl was nifter they would rather didn't publish anything how does he view that dial even notice so it seems that Ruda Dao had connections with the gra and Agra that's how he knew this most likely now but but but interestingly enough the the children of the girl they also emphasize that the gra one of the million mcflages that the girl was into was this and we see it here it's not like they're telling you a story open up Iberia and you see he has a tremendous Havana in the sugya of Messiah so I I just to to explain this a draft because it's a it's a sort of a deal and it's I get to show off a safer that I have that I would probably will not be able to use or show off on too many occasions and that's his fouls basically in 1804 the first time one of the first works of the girl that comes out it's a few years after the girl dies is that daricelio so how does that duracellio come out that there's famous as the girls work I'll tell you recently might sort of cooked it a fancy Edition so here you could see a gigantic volume much bigger than your standard chass volume it's called it's from which this is weird that there salio's work comes out on um now you open up the shower and you'll find something very interesting that it's all about part of this work is it has the Min hashai it has a parish on the Messiah now what's even more interesting is in this work tafka they printing that there is Leo what's chap turns out this fellow was the son-in-law of the Wilma going this roburi shraga it was closer to behind balajina and he enumerates to the safer and the shower one of the things that they were fascinating to deal with is focusing on the Mercedes the time all these different things why very simple brings at the end in one place he brings a whole piece that the gra hell that you could see unbelievable Godless and learn so much from every shinui from the series the shin in the Milam and the time everything that's going on the Torah there's like a media by Raisa how did the girl see it one of the ways was through the Messiah so now we're seeing here that the gra using it is using that knowledge not only to see drushas but in hookah's githan had his spell names are also in a beautiful ass come that he gives to this work also spells out that this was one of the hashivasan and the the Messiah was very lost it's not a found even today not so many people know about it but the villain was one such person okay and the last makuda is esfapos so so basically I'm trying to bring out is that that's what it's a it's an unknown it's not your typical spices okay the last name is they they are specialized in putting out a massive work multiple volumes it was founded in the 1950s by two greater this is Al melter what was explained in the introduction with Herzog writes it out very nicely was basically is that there were a bunch of rub on him after the war that didn't have positions they didn't have harnesso but more than that they found that there's certain areas that there's no there's a relative information out there and all different farm and all the alike and they need to put it together especially after World War II aguna shilas relating to evanes or issues and so they they decided to create a team of people to go mine all the different Troopers farm and to put it together and to do it in and they raised the funds and the hula and this is how um so much so this is Al Meltzer he lived in the house that was originally the house of reply in Berlin behind Berlin had a massive library and he even used as far from that massive Library rears forum and including it into the the publication Dr Magnus from Hebrew University even got them funding and the kids are this was a whole incredible thing and versus Al Melton was involved with picking this farm that came that came in to what what they use so to speak for this um for this so now they for Shameless kitten they have at least four volumes of material where they were Malacca from all the wealth of information that that they have special besides the regular set they even recently released these four volumes and again to see it's endless how much material there is out there so to be Messiah on them is a spouse number one our number one is when they talk about the sugyo they have again incredible amount of information about hello nothing to talk about but one of the things is they're talking about reactive so then they bring down a cedar get they say you see they get of the black event checking it up it's definitely not a cedar I get it to say they're good of someone else um and it's a mistake okay mistakes creeping the only thing that was upset they re-updated this version of um they just released it a few months ago they I was upset as they didn't have her because that's already published in the 90s on Hillel that they should have had it in this um thing okay now just to be messiah messiah just like we spoke about the children and we were we see how in Hillel if it's khasomale it plays out in many other names we're going down there but another one of my people that I'm very into is that Darius Darius has a credible piece called where he shows a bunch of places where understanding something so it's amazing to see when you say kutish so yalag and the the the masculine and everyone they took it into this poem and everything for us even a dad there's so much Torah and so much behind it how do you spell Hillel or that Darius has a long long list of many other places not just spelling Give the names in suggests where he shows makes an African that's to conclude um the the some minor trainer pichevkas to the previous episode obviously we could go on and on but that's the story okay thank you very much that was absolutely fascinating just on a personal note my second name is I remember that we used to spell my name without a year and I am a cousin to rev schleman Miller one of the one of the great place game of Our Generation and I'm named after his grandfather so at one point we met him and he saw that I'm spelling without a yo he's like my grandfather spelled it with you I remember I visited the caver this man came from panovic he lived in village and he came to Baltimore in 1913 he's buried in Baltimore and he spells it with the York and if I recall correctly at some point I had to change my filling bag and I was like I'll still I'll steal a bucker and I changed it to with the year so again I'm sure praise that plays out practically in Allah you know when they write the name I wonder if it depends how a person spells it initially I don't know how these things work but uh interesting anecdote okay so Rabbi brat do you wanna spin around then whip out a safer from behind you yes one second yes one second let's even though I already did a show and tell of showing the safer with the garage but here mamus it's a brand new safer and we get it ties into what we were talking about okay this safer is called Hashem I normally batch up the name of the safe is this I'm going to batch up less why because there's nakudas and had a spell in the safer well in the title it says Rush the same Circle who wrote to safer rabaran lapianski or shashiva in America one of the big rabbanim in America and it's called it's a it's a it's foreign based on it so this is a fascinating work that just came out from olympiansky's Malacca from a large amount of sources one here this has how it looks and I believe I believe I heard about it first is that Nike Weinstein had it he had an interview with Rebel Appian or Lapinski mentioned that it's about it's going to come out soon and taka came out recently and this is a nice work that just recently came down the market hey thank you very very much Rabbi brat we look forward to the next episode coming shortly