Tzuros Hapesach; compilation

this is rabbi kaim jakhter for the orthodox union's aldaf in a series entitled bringing hill jose irvine massachusetts aravind to life today in our video what we're going to be showing is suros hapasa which focuses on we're going to show you how it's applied in the field in north america where typically utility lines are used and or modified to make proper suros apassa we'll be following the suck and mostly of moshe feinstein and who initially was the one and back in the 1970s and 80s we start we started making community air in the united states approved using the utility lines and we'll see how that's applied today what we're going to be uh beginning with is showing you what we're trying to do and here we go you take a look with rashi you'll see that we're trying with the tsurasa passage we're trying to with door frames we're trying literally we're trying to replicate an actual door frame what's an actual door frame so just let's let's uh focus a minute on an actual door frame let's see what we have here's your door frame here's your side post your top post your side post kumara calls this konomi khan let's see how this is applied in the field as we go outside and take a look at utility poles what i'd like to show now is is that how the utility poles are not created in a perfect tsurasa passage the perfect form of a dorm frame like i showed you in a door frame in my house i'm going to go out here and we're going to take a look and see how the wires are not quite perfect and here we're going to take a look at for just for one example we'll take a look at a uh at a wire that's drooping and this wire is drooping and this is the subject of a major macrocosm generally speaking is to be convenient about it they was the minhag already in in europe was to be pre-world war two europe was to be union about this issue and in our book we have a significant discussion about a droopy wire a sagging wire is it acceptable what about if it only drags if it droops less than three twelfth and is that acceptable there is considerable discussion typical in american arabian is that we do rely on sags there is a dispute in practice about how deep of a sag will allow but in practice we do allow saggy wars because this is typically the way the wires are made they do have some sag in it in order to allow for some give and some flexibility now another area of significant dispute is the slanty wire here's an example of a slanty wire happens quite a bit here tension wires going from this pole to that ball and this slanty wire is uh is that acceptable is it not acceptable the mission brewer and shin sama is quotes opinions about this and basically what's accepted in practice in aravind in the united states is the sack of revin cutler is that up to 45 degrees would be acceptable less than 45 degrees would not be acceptable if it is considered to if it is if if it is more slanty than it is straight if it's more than 45 degrees we'll view that as being vertical but if it is more straight than it is slanty less than 45 degrees we'll view that as horizontal that's the basic stock and we would accept a saggy wire such as the one over here we would accept the slanty wire such as the one over here now we introduce another area of great much locate and that is taco when the wire is bolted through the pole now that we mentioned that this wire this slanty wire is acceptable now we have to take a look at the issue of taco let's take a look at this wire let's look at it closely the wire comes in it's not on top of the pole it's not on the side of the pole the gemara tells us that if it's minhat's side if the wire has been outside the wires on the outside it's not considered to be acceptable however it's on top of the pole it's acceptable in this case the wire is not on top of the pole and it's not on the side of the pole but rather it's bolted through the pole is that considered to be an acceptable or is it not considered to be an acceptable this is or is the pole considered excitable except a acceptable lucky is the wires considered to be going on top of it this is a considerable mach lokas we have the hazun ish and the shulkhan who will who who pass in that is acceptable whereas the mission broke supreme gotham who is masupaka and is inclined to be mahmeer and there is in practice quite a difference in american north american tacos uh north american aravind do we accept taco do we not accept it some communities accept it other communities do not depends on the post sake depends on the circumstances of the community but here's an opportunity you could take a look very closely and see what taco is how the wire comes in attached to a bolt bolted through and this is what the linemen the professionals who work on the lines they call this tahoe this is an area of considerable machlokas now we take a look at the other side of the boat through the other side of the boulder was clean and went through straight and those who accept taco will will will it will accept that as talk of unquestionably here we have an example of the on the other side of this tension wire where the where the bolt goes in but it comes in at the joint on an angle it bends a little bit it curves a little bit is this acceptable is it not acceptable this is a sub mock locus where some will accept it some will not now we're going to take a look at a poll in which is typical of the utility poles that they slant not perfectly straight is it considered to be acceptable again we follow in the united states and north america we follow cutler's sock of less than 45 degree slant is considered to be straight so yes it's on a slant we will consider to be acceptable as a pole for making a tsur sapesa because it is more straight than it is slanted the slant is less than 45 degrees now what's interesting also about this pole is that there is a the top center wire you look at the top center wire it runs on top of the pole that is considered to be acceptable you want in a surosa you want that to be the top wire should run on top of the pole that is considered to be acceptable when it runs on top of the pole not on the side this would be very fine used for a component of an aero a economy con a side post and kanamela mala and the one and the wire that runs on top this pole is a very very interesting pole this pole already the wire does not run on top but it runs on the side so off hand you would think that that is a tsura sapasa minhat side but the y runs on the side and it's no good however many rabunam actually believe that this is acceptable including rochefort wisely believe it's acceptable so look very very carefully you'll notice that the wire is attached to what's called an insulator this is attached that attachment the insulator is attached to the pulse actually attached to the pole and the white stick the white stick is longer than it is wider and is considered to be by many by roshachter and many other post skin to be a legitimate extension of the pole itself since it's longer than wider it's considered to be a legitimate extension of the pole we spoke about that in an earlier video about the speed limit 35 sign in which we noted the comparison that the shaozin shiva's max ram the shouse and chivas yaakov to the elongated magta that the kohingol would use on yom kippur to bring the gekholin from the mizbeh into the kurdish kardashian if it's considered it is longer than it is wider is considered to be a valid extension of the mata so to hear that extension of the pole is considered to be a valid extension to the pole so even though the wire does not run above the pole itself it does run above that that that extension of the pole it runs above that that that white piece which goes above the pole and that white extension that's that white extension that white stick that is attached to the pole the wire runs above it and the white stick is considered to be a legitimate extension of the pole the y runs above that white stick we view it as if the wire runs above the pole itself at least going through shelter and many other post scheme some communities adopt this in practice others do not we're going to continue now contrasting a situation where the top side wire is not acceptable we know that a top sidewire is acceptable if the or at least according to many opinions it's a disputed area some community here have been reliant in the united states some do not ravon cutler was the postsec that uh would that would support it with heinemann ramosha heinemann has supporting it and ravshefter supports it others disagree uh the idea is is that even though the war does not run over the pole it runs over the insulator that white stick that white stick but here if you look very very carefully it's very nuanced so you have to be very very careful about this you'll notice that the wire does not run over the main pole and it doesn't run over the white stick either it's only over the the mushroom cap and the how and there's a major distinction between the white stick and the mushroom cat the white stick is longer than it's wider and it's attached to the pole and therefore it's a valid extension of the pole what we've been speaking about as a comparison to the uh elongated mata used in the base in big dutch by the calling gut all for young kipper however here we have a situation where the wire is in is is runs uh to runs on top of the mushroom cap not above the pole not above the white stick and this would not be acceptable even according to heinemann even according to uh ravshakta this is at a corner you'll notice this is at a bend not a corner but a bend and this is typical to have a set up like this at a bend where the wire does not run on top of the stick but rather on top of the mushroom cap and it would not be acceptable so just have air of planners have to be very very careful about this that they're going to rely on this approach of rochester and refinement to accept the top side wire they have to make sure that a situation like this is not accepted now we have the opportunity to explain how you have to be very careful when planning out an a-roof and you have to be very very precise when you want to rely on the utility poles to form its own source of pasta you want to try to use poles where the wires where there's the there's a top wall the top center wire runs over the pole this way the source of passage forms the utility poles form their own surasa passa you have this on this on this run on the street here in this particular community that we're filming their aero and it runs uh there's a water pole behind us which we're not going to show has the wire that's on top this pole over here has a wire as the wire runs on top of the pole and then the pole on the next uh down the next pole down the street south the wire juts out a little bit it's not on top of the pole but then a pole down it returns to being above the pole very good and then and beyond that also is above the pole so we'll label this poll one two three four so three to four is totally fine it's the problem is from one to three is that acceptable is it not acceptable again using the top center wire so can we skip the middle wire that's the whole discussion are you allowed to skip a pole some of the abundant will require a pole in every a lucky in every single pole no matter what unless there's a wire that runs on top of the pole however others disagree but it seems that everybody would pretty much would agree in a situation where there's a significant bend in the wire then you would need a left on every single pole and this is exactly what we have over here we have this wire if you take a look here you'll notice if you stand from afar and you have to start stand at the edges you'll notice that this top middle wire bends and we don't want to rely certainly not like we don't want to rely on a significant bend such as this and therefore what we're going to do is like this we end the the source of pesa that's uh foreign by the utility wires themselves on this pole we bring it down we have a lefty that goes to this goes to the lowest wire and then the next pole a lucky goes to the lowest wire and the pole after that the lucky that goes to lois wire and on that pole we go back to the wire on top but again we want to emphasize that the only way to to show to be able to really perceive that this is a significant bend is you must stand in the edge on the edge if you're going to stand in the middle the extent of the bend is not as perceptible so when you're planting an aero you have to plan carefully and stand at the edges in order to be able to properly gauge whether you have a significant bend or not we're on the other side of the street now and we're standing now in the middle of the bend what we're trying to show here is is that you cannot gauge the bend the extent of the bend by standing at the vortex of the bend you have to be at the edge by yara samako merako you have to stand at the edge in order to perceive the bend properly because if you can now if you can see the perspective from the middle the bend does not seem to be dramatic and one might accept this bend and say it's not a particularly significant bend but you're not looking at them from the right spot the right spot would have to be from the from the edges look at the edges then you'll be able to proceed with whether properly whether it's a bench now in this video we're going to show you how an illustration where you have a straight wire and in this community the rabano have decided you can actually skip a poll here you have a you have a pole where you have a lefty it goes to the lowest wire and it's nice clean uh lucky and uh if you see down the street you look straight you'll notice that the lowest wire the wire that the air of his u is relying on as it's kanu milamala it's perfectly straight to uh not just one pull down but two poles down two poles down you'll notice there's a left height but in the intervening pole the pole in the middle there is no lucky notice that there's no lucky on this pole because it is straight and we said it before in previous video that it's straight both by looking at the edge at the and not at the middle but if you stand on the edges you'll see it's straight and there's a lucky on the prior pole there's a lucky on this coming pole but this pole has no lefty because there are abundant this community have decided no need to have a lefty on every single pole as long as the wire is straight and here as determined by standing at the edges the wire is straight and hence the ability to skip this pole no need to have bullet on this pole here's an interesting situation where you have a rishi-sayaki that runs underneath the wire a few rabbanim don't like this because they'll say that look this is just a yakit it's fort's by fort's falcon it's tenth high and it runs beneath the kaname malla and it runs exactly beneath the wire the air of war the water we were relying on as the aeruv and what's the idea resistance it goes all the way to the rakia and therefore they will say basic command de mayo dummy and it extends all the way to the rakia and as if it cuts away the wire however other abundance such as feel that this is a hundred percent okay because they'll say this is just another lucky and why not it's ten high it can be a lucky so what if you it could also serve as a lucky and for many years in arabic israel the common practice was to use barrels to serve as allah and they were 10 high four talking by fourth and also which is the minute generates historical for many years was not to be concerned with this idea of the rishis yapid creating a basa commander malaya dummy ola kia and cutting off the wire this is rabbi heim jachter for the orthodox union's old off in a series called bringing hilhos ervin and masekis aravind to life