The Chazon Ish Using New RIshonim Published from Manuscripts Pt. 2

[Music] foreign [Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr Eleazar Brut it's a pleasure to be with you we spoke a few days ago and we continued season two on this Farm of Heim kanayevski which has been unanimously dedicated and sponsored in memory of David all the learning and all the Torah knowledge that comes out of these episodes should be ex-husband and we thank the wonderful donor a good friend of ours thank you again um last time as mentioned we discussed is shita on manuscripts it's obviously not a straightforward easy to describe in one sentence exactly what he held we're looking for sources what is took out of the different things that he wrote Embark Hashem we have rabbit actually azabrat who's done the research and is working on these two episodes to explain it in a wonderful clear fashion to the audience last episode we also had this new Twist by Dr liezabra turned around and pulled out a safer from behind them we keep on getting people asking what are all those books behind him and he pulled out a fascinating safer from removing Margolis who's one of his Heroes so I'm not surprised that he had a safer of his behind him this time if you stick around to the end of the episode Rabbi Dr Lisa broth is gonna quickly run through a brand new safer that came out brand new from a previous previous generation as something new interesting so stay tuned for that without further Ado Rabbi doctor how are you today okay so why don't you briefly run over and summarize what you've discussed last episode and continue on and keep us glued okay so basically what we what the way we sum the way we began the last episode is that this we're calling it this two sheets one is called the sheet of the mission Brewer which is that uses new discoveries of rishinim then there's the sheet of what's known as the Khazana not to use them okay and what's significant for us is he appears from all his writings called the mission Brewer he Embraces item and even edit some of them from manuscript so we're trying to understand what really is the sheet of the kazanesh so first we discussed last time the sheet of the stipler what appears to be other tomb from the basement has an ish and then we jumped into what so we we started to deal with in general a general question a key question with the qasimesh which is when you use the various writings of his if it's a from let's say it's egress or things that talmudem say over if there will sometimes be contradictions so we gave that as the the introduction and then we basically brought numerous examples to reach a conclusion which is that there are definitely times that the khazanesh seems to be using new manuscripts and he's aware of it um for example one example that I used was in the pullmus of the shurim so the khazanish was brought to his attention and the hazenus used it to um and he explains it for in the the he and used it that was what was um interesting for us you say a new manuscript of the guy name was discovered in the 1800s and he used it okay so and we brought many examples so the the conclusion that I said is did we find that sometimes he seems to be using okay so now the question is but everyone says that he didn't hold the Allah so is there a contradiction what's going on so what we re we already brought in the beginning in last episode and I've quoted a few times already the Marshall Rive destler the SRI the age these are two dailymoting it in um in a letter which was published in more recent years and three days just talking about it a year afterwards it was known as was against manuscripts even though I brought all the evidence from last time so the question really is is what scared the kazanesh so I'm first gonna mention speculation speculation on my part and a speculation of others um different types of speculation because they do play a role somewhat and understand in the way the world says over the sheets I'm not going to go into every single aspect of this because this is really really a deep deep rabbit hole but just it's just to give a feel of some of the issues because it plays out for all the first six episodes that we spoke out and then I will try to show more into what khazash actually says okay and and wrap up this episode so first like this so he wrote an article Maria he's very Pro he's very Pro that oh in our generation new manuscripts but he seems to be struggling with it and he seems to throw out something which if you have conversations with other people over the years which I have had with many people oh the people that were working on it were in such proper Years A lot of times and this is what got people nervous including the kazanesh this is a claim that's been made you mentioned a bill Clift it's a name that I don't think is very popular in the Yeshiva World but one America used to quote him pretty often this review Man actually was a big hazenish Nick in a certain sense and I believe he has a server called Dasio and if I recall correctly did he give a huskama to revolver's Ali Shore or whatever Bubba's Farm they had a very close relationship was some type of rebbe inspiration for revolby and they had a lot to do with each other um yes and he has that safer that's yeah it was it was reprinted in a few years back but you seem to have been a very interesting you know he's also Isaac and Kabbalah I believe all around uh toradju as they say um so he it seems from an article he published in Maria I don't know how many how often he used to publish in Maria but I um this is article that's quoted by others also and it sounds like some type of claim like that now and in discussing with other people where people are just saying things which the nature that's how we the world works we just say things that we hear we pick up what do you think but a person that I would say that he really goes out of his way to write this up in a way is um a writer that I've mentioned a few times in the past his name is in volume 31 which came out about 10 years ago so he has this massive hundreds I think 125 page piece where he's comparing the mishnabura and the hazanesh and he deals with all different issues so obviously one issue that comes up is going to be the issue the Mr Brewer which I set up the way the whole story goes is not so you could see from the whole um 10 pages that he has over here that he himself is beyond struggling I I call up even playing games he's not saying straight what's going on he's very well aware of a lot of um Source primary sources about it says but it's very hard even even as much as I spend time on it and spoken to other people about it it's still very hard to get a full grasp in this Sugi what it has in the show but he's trying to also project more not only what he does say into stuff that he doesn't say so he says the mushroom who was people that was involved in the printing of the manuscripts she says like this the Hazardous was suspect for chuva Saga in Publications from Gaining it seems that people touched them they were tampered with um of course with the claim that the reason why they were fixing it was to be to fix the lotion but he doesn't like he he seems to say that it's not so true and then he says who are the people that are doing it and then they found different lines and then they play around with that and then we find strange things in different guys now the problem was like this even and then he has Pages um dealing with this nakuda now even if there's some truth in some of the aspects that he says doesn't say this anywhere actually in all the writings and all the things that we have in the castle he talks about he never once says clearly I don't like gynec literature because mosquitoes are involved with the discoveries and all the kyrgies stuff and all these things I don't like it it gets me nervous they're playing around with it so the sort of even and especially in the case of this reveimbal in these same Pages he brings down the quotes of the khazanesh so what is it that really you it really requires um one has to really figure out what it is you can can't say things I mean if you had a conversation let's says that he had a conversation with with with um that has an issue about it okay but here you have and this I don't have to go any further I mention this a few times the gynec literature that was discovered we have from Khan kalievsky's own notes of a page of his live of his of a catalog of his Library published and it lists out a bunch of these guys imprinted by these quote unquote masculum now and you and not only that not only did he own them he uses them in the in the course of his writings so it's sort of like it's very unfair to say such a thing now in previous episodes I said that to me there's too much projection on what people want the story to be that it was masculine is this muscular thing when the truth is it was not it was far from that I mentioned already that there were plenty of big people that were involved with it especially in the early years especially some of the people that were always going in for many years so to just like start claiming things and putting things in the mouth is very bothersome to let's say someone like me I want to know what has Michelle if you have a clear source to say that but if you're gonna make up stories that we know it's much you have to be very careful and and when we're talking about Adam gado like the qasimesh um one of the daily in the pastor you have to be very careful what to say and don't put in now I'm not telling you that there's never a case and as I'm going to show so in a moment that there are cases of problems that happened and people noticed it but so what like this let me just illustrate this and and what's interesting is this this is way before masculum and this has nothing to do with particularly it turns out that if someone I I once um earlier I mentioned such a thing called the true I spoke in one of the earlier episodes I spoke briefly I listed it out for one minute if someone wanted to go to this farm store in the 1800s and he wanted to buy Enoch literature what would he do he would buy a fuse farm so one safer was called you know how early it came out it came out in 1575 but as far as what I pointed out already then there was nothing for hundreds of years of going to literature besides this chuba safer comes along Professor Simcoe Manuel I've quoted him in the past the year a year shamayama a Yaki yiddy who happens to be a professor in Hebrew University time department but uh and he shows that there was intentional zeufim of a bunch of chuvres was taken straight from which is which is funny because the shock Mark just came to existence at that time and there's pages of true quote-unquote him that are um from the but on the other hand it's clear that this work really does have now they're able to show early in it work so here you have a work way before masculum come on the scene hundreds of years before anyone even knew what the word masculine means it seems this printer which we don't know why he did such a thing maybe he wanted he he wanted to put out a fat safer he only had x amount of material so in 1575 he publishes real authentic dining material and then he publishes puts into there in the name of guy named pieces taken from the which is funny strange so now because of that someone's going to want to say okay so we should get nervous maybe that could happen with anything you you never know um when such yes you have to check into it you shouldn't just check out you shouldn't accept anything blindly you should accept you should check into it you have to have proof that this is real but okay this is one such story [Music] and said this is going which is like and he and it's funny is it's right then the chocolate just came out you know literally the Rama they were talking the 1570s but not that he not took pieces of God in him then that would be a real evil thing a more evil thing which we'll discuss shortly if such a thing happened anyway even the safer which I quoted last week when I was talking about the she the What's called the Pullman's hashiram which is all the different issues relating to shiorim of what the sheer ke beta and all the different things that racked the halachic world and arayan um rack stalactic world and especially when it comes to pesach and different times a year what's the sheer for kaisi of how much wine you have to drink and how much mats you have to eat and all the all different places so once early Source turns out from this truvis called Shari chuva ago inikainum from that's first published in 1802. so there also there were chuvas in there that people were suspected they've proven that there's problematic truvis that might have been stuck in by a forger but on the other hand they've proven that most of the literature in this chuva safer has other ways to prove that it's real from that recite him say the exact same we shine and make the same exact claim but Shane got in him and say the same thing so we could say that at the same time that it might be problematic there might be some materials you have to check into it you have to know what it is so Le Marshall and this was um we've quoted this already more than once is that the archlener he once wanted to he he he there was a there's a Dean in a certain thing relating to guy in him and he argues on we shine him based on a piece of information that he discovered about with haigon and the chuvashiri chuva in this same Chariot okay this is Dar cleaner and we've already discussed in a special episode about him and we mentioned in this series he was very into new discoveries on the other hand not every um the closenberger of the reactive he's very upset he does not understand how the arjunaire is able to go so far except the chuvashiri chuva and any points to a different Chariot that no one brings up and he says this trueva is problematic so how could it be it's a strange thing the safer has strange things in it so don't bring halachik rias from this safer and Allah you're going too far with what your conclusions are based on this piece of information to understand what high going was about but like everything else it's not so simple um there's there's more confidence but okay but we see something that the cloisonburger of very it got a very um gotten very nervous so to speak and this is probably coming back to us okay now there's another thing that people throw out there and it for sure has some type of um thing to get people nervous about new manuscripts so this we're not going to go into out of safe but just going to mention I just have to point that we have to step back and appreciate it Robert pulling from safer to prove his point but again you know I'm uh I've mentioned in the past you know I'm a closenberger whatever that means he was my sandik and uh but everybody you could talk about for a second his guidance so it's not like a classic a little different than how you uh relate right correct here we have a red bug the significance over here is even though he's known as the Clayson for a lot of people actually call him to klisenberg you know why I'm just throwing this out right now because they want to emphasize his gallus in learning and Sack he wrote a massive set of chuvas farm and halacha which is not as common by many rabbits to have such amount of literature so anyway the point is that this is the closing of um was pointing out with our and he there are other cases could be made within the closing that he was nervous about certain types of things that that came to life now but but there's another case that they like to throw out when you're having this conversation it could be in a bowl session that you'd be having in Yeshiva or something about this topic where Yeshiva have the fund love to talk about before I'm showing them without knowing anything so this is another such example which is the salmon rice someone comes along and claims he discovered a chuva safer from the rush and make some problem is there's certain coolers in there and people start complaining claiming it's a forgery it's not a forgery good for the Jews bad for the Jews there's so much to talk about with the safer but the point is suggests yaakov Spiegel that that started getting people sometimes nervous whenever they would see a new mat let's say someone comes and eight this happens when was it the the poem was about to say for starts right in the late 1790s so from then on people get nervous new safer I want you to prove it to me better that it's real safer but the truth is that it's not so simple because the way I was able to show pretty clearly from the the for a few hundred years pretty much yeah they proved it you didn't come in and just say okay here's the ritva you prove it lamasha you open up a Meister of cook Edition you'll see these proofs all different types of proofs they'll bring them they'll bring all different things but it's able to be proven and then once it's proven it's pretty much accepted okay now another thing and this this is a more of a speculation which also could be very well true it's like this sometimes you make a major Discovery then academics new safer comes to light and then they go with it they prove a bunch of things and they build up a large Dakota then but the problem is even then they didn't have all the evidence comes along 60 70 years and all of a sudden they find new evidence and this changes the whole thing completely the opposite way was thought I'm just going to throw it out there again just for a marimakum it's known that in 921 922 there was a huge controversy about the calendar which led which caused the homologous between Jews of Palestine Jews of Babylonian about how to Mage there was big debates about it now no one really knew that there was even such a police what happened is starting in the 1860s things have gotten came out and they started happening there was a big deal and more and more and more until between from the years 1860 till 1915 a whole bunch of pieces of literature came out and they basically pieced together a whole story with her side you're going being always stick in it other cultural people and and they created literally a whole story and then from then on there wasn't so many major discoveries a few years ago someone went back can we do re-look at the evidence and based on new materials that we have a new Calum and all different things a fellow Sasha Stern in England from yid wrote a book called the Jewish calendar controversy a fat gigantic book where he basically went back to also again saw that whatever was assumed for the past hundred years was wrong why because they didn't have all the information all of a sudden once you have all the information it changes so it's very possible is and you could see this type of which is is requires even at a safe how will you go with it who you found a piece of variation and it's real but who said that at the end of the story and once you're going to touch that you're touching who said that that's where it ends maybe we're going to find another reason that's going to change it the other way so you have to be very careful even when you do find a piece of evidence that's a suggestion which we will show in the Khazana study how far he goes with this okay anyway bottom line is that I was I'm looking and looking and looking I'm trying to understand is there something that could have triggered the khazanish to have gotten him very nervous about forgeries in his time I mean to say if I'm gonna show you my kitchen dominant man I'm gonna make up Tyrus and everything they're good Jews they're bad Jews but what happened did something happen did an event of a big forgery happen in the time of the Khazana that could have made it to get him very nervous about forgeries so all of a sudden based on different things I realized there's a safer we know very well you see from cochem is known as where he made a riff-like Heber on kachem and in there he has a piece and he says the sources he's talking about note is you xiaomi on the circus now this is published when in 1922. all of a sudden a line that I didn't at first did not realize what I was saying and then all of a sudden it happened it says if [Music] now the controversy of the usual took place when start it's the whole discovery of the usami costume started taking place in 1905 and was going on look 1922 still the mission of is using it in the scribor now already early on a little after 1905 they're starting to get suspicious and the newspapers are tumbling about it and trust me still felt maybe it is by the time this point the president is saying when I don't know when the Khazana wrote this piece in bucharist but he's saying no we're ready it's assumed to be as if what happened is and if you read and you go into the sugy of you shamikuchim this was a great forgery that rocked the Allah the rabbinic world at the time articles and this the the forger didn't back down he really fought for his Hebrew claiming no no it's real it's real it's real today it's assumed as another push it it's a forgery how he pulled it off it's a different question you have to speak to hobelander of Hungary he's an expert on it he's written a book in Hungarian on I don't speak Hungarian but he wrote a bunch of articles in our Israel which is supposed to come out as a Hebrew safer um anyway he has many articles about it he deals with all different aspects of it but here is what I'm using this is because I found the line and I don't I don't know that this line is referring to the usamikachu there's a line which is quoted often in Clive's and he says like this he remembers that there was a story of a person that he hid a saviar in the ground and basically he was discovered that he was lying but he wanted to show that it's real so he he was dug it up it was like a whole scan it seems it was a whole scandal at the time so when you read these types of things and you see you know the story you show me culture man this is playing out when in the years the castle is most active he's a young young person in the city in the area of Eastern Europe This controversy was everything everyone was talking about it you have to understand if you show me caught him as a discovery for you'd like to Kazan ish so you'd like to have it these are this is the bread and butter for these people so what because of the result of what happened it's very possible this is what Kata hasn't so nervous because I asked the question the question is that beforehand for a few hundred years no one's really getting nervous yes there was a police I just mentioned called up summon rice which needs its own store to understand all story but it didn't happen that there were um um cases that were so blatant of forgeries and then caused the whole tomorrow okay but this is just a suggestion to try to give us some understanding possibly into what God has initial little nervous totally unimportant question why would someone current day read any articles in Hungarian because he lives in Hungary and because he lives in Hungary that was the way he could get a doctorate in Hungarian University without even have to go to school so it's convenient for him but otherwise you I understand right that's a great answer so basically saying he wrote as a doctorate that's why he wrote it Hungarian right right correct now okay anyway the kids are the point is that there are stories of forgeries there's a a fine yidl I know very well one of the youngest children of Rebecca vilau he's published a few works and he's outing different people of with tremendous forgeries and the motivations for forgeries are common so when you hear these type of stories again today we project this on the haznish but at least he will show me catch him I have a thing it's though it's mamish his years it's he even talks about it he was aware of the US he's calling out to Mr Brewer which we know and I believe I mentioned film because of what is him and then he didn't stop anyway the point is and um we could go on and on about it but that there are cases of forgeries and that might have been something that bothered the khazanesh to get him nervous about it okay um and just one other nakuda even people that I'm just I just want to say two other type ideas about forgeries and then we'll go on with the Khazana which is like this the the rib number one is I've quoted also that Darius was very Pro the yidades one of as I one of my main main Heroes father-in-law of RAV cook was very pro-re-shine him and liked them in a massive Mountain that he had back and forth with the interesting yid to put a model Yakov reichmann when they're talking about chuva saganum he says not all our cultures they knew there are times that their stuff was clear was stuck in this is there's some playing around in some of the various truths of gottenham even though I quoted strong evidence that others a lot of times liked it and used the new discoveries including item but you have to be careful you have to be aware that there could be such things Berlin also there's a letter where he writes to rebelio harkovy rebellious was a person who learned in valajun I spoke of Adam also irelia one of his ears expertise was writing to make sure to send it to me and I like and great but by the way there's one thing and you're glad over there it smells from it's a karoi there's something stuck in so you have to be careful so it could be and this goes back to the whole thing which I'm asking is saying really you could rely you have to know 100 you have to be careful there could be sometimes look in the story you show me catch him there were good Island that really believed it was and it turns out it wasn't okay so this is one nikuda and one last nakuda with with forgeries it's very common arayan we've mentioned a few times very very of the auctions of rare books and manuscripts is very very common today in the from Jewish scene and every once in a while there are times that things turn out to be forgeries one of the great there's a great ID in uh Weiss and he's known as being he's busted many forgeries there's even been on the market things that are perfect perfect duplicates of letters of the stipler letters over Haskell bramski and others and somehow do a certain information in the letter and they brought it to him and that's how he figured out that it's a forger you say the handwriting was identical and it turns out they were movier this guy was about her needed money and he was he basically was forging documents of a few different it was being sold on the markets so there is this thing from money people need money there's sadly there's uh um because it does happen even amongst us from you then so we could say this is a shash and maybe this also had to do with what it hasn't held but this is projection I don't know I don't have proof says such as scared about that but this is as I said he lives in a time when this actually happened interestingly enough there's a police about to say for eschko if it's a forgery or not definitely not as big as a controversy as the usami catch him and the khazan-ish does use the forged eschko so it could be okay so some people say you see even he who was nervous and concerned about using four Jackman's here he did use it okay anyway this is just not not relevant right now yeah does some of this conversation you talk about you know being careful and being suspicious and things like that you know there are many things in today's society you know that you can either abandon totally you could use them be suspicious but it could be it depends on how some of these forums some of this literature is being used you know obviously certain things you're not going to use as you know to be matronaceous based on something which could have a but as a tier of for another sack that you want to have added zero that can really depend on how you use these Farms right right no this is this is a very valid point that some people say you know if you're learning the gemara and it gives you episode the uh whatever so you want you go with it but the point was which is what I was showing is the mishna Brewer which he's the person as the I'm using just him as the name but it's much more he's using Allah myself and I just saw someone writing in Irving the amount of times he relies on his mind-boggling so he's using it so for real things so that now it happens to be I use this can't be so angry about it because if you he would have called why isn't it calling out the mission Brewer about it I suspect there's much more to the story which I hope to get to okay now let's get to um one last aspect for today and that's his file this is his finals with destler I told you had a close relationship with the Khazana it appears and ELO Marshall a few years back they put out a volume of letters of his fascinating fastening volume this came out about 20 years ago this 10 times at least he talks about he says over things in these letters that he had conversations about what he quotes in two different letters this is printed in in um back we're holding in 2004. okay so they talk about he's talking to someone it doesn't say who but he brings down twice that hasn't told him about if this strange if you find strange things in the manuscripts you have to be careful so they it turns out this so this is not these two letters that he has it doesn't tell us where these letters are written to and not only doesn't tell us these letters written to it so we don't have the background which is what I discussed last time a lot of times very hard to build anything if you don't know what it's talking about and we don't know to who it is now I just have to mention because this is also very important and right over here there is a letter um to um a few different a few different letters about this following thing with destler came from Isaac in Guyana literature was it going and this the the um the Ben Aryan Ben Arya which is found some in different places in the back there's in the back of the gemara he wrote our guys on the eater and he had them and eventually some of them gets to observe lighter and Reserve lighter publishes them at least on the truesta rift and they existed so he was someone that was sympathetic um you see from the other letters he understood the hashivas of publishing and he was pro-it so here we have if that's there wasn't this um what I'm trying to bring out is today people don't realize as much or Desta was a mama a real-time very well aware of what's going on he knew the significance of literature his altazeda was involved with it he was handling publishing it and it ends up getting yes published so he knew what's going on yeah he had a conversation with the president more than once and he's quoting it it turns it doesn't say to who and why and what's the background okay fast forward to this year a friend of mine and tells me he picked me up a safer I'm always happy to hear that it's called igress revelio destler that was the Assassin family very exciting I get this I get the letters from him start going through it and in here all of a sudden I see there's a letter relating to this letter that I just quoted about the kazanesh turns out he was writing to his talmud they were having a back and forth and they the family even gave this letter to the 19 to the 2004 people that published their vessel stuff but they didn't print the whole thing I don't know why not but anyway over the Year it turns out it has an ish said there was a discussion we are of desler it seems wanted to bring Ariah for something from Robin hanano in hagigo and that's when the Khazana said his thing there are times there are strange things and we shine him and and there's such a type of thing okay all of a sudden this helped me understand more because in various pieces with the khazanesh talks about um his his complaints about nourishing him it turns out it's specifically about Robin okay let me just mention one such place it says div this isn't a letter that's this was in a deal in a Pumas that I don't know really a poem is but there was a Hassan wrote a piece about it and uh wrote a whole back and they had a whole back and forth with him we will discuss this more um but he says in this back and forth devre they have no Messiah that the full of mistakes and he doesn't just say it over here he says it in other places it's full of mistakes even when people do it carefully they could then is so it could be very very um dangerous because it has to be made you have to make sure you're capping it very clear carefully then there's a different consonation another causation and and what I'm seeing is all of a sudden there's something that has a chance with rabenu okay on the other hand I must throw out there's a different piece of where he's talking about something if he takes up something out then he says but I saw and he brings a Raya from Urban so sometimes he does go with it anyway so this obviously and this is the this is the last nakuda that I'm going to mention for today before um next time we'll finish up this is fouls we need to have an understanding of the discovery of Rabino khanano so very briefly is as follows in the if you open up a shast's vilna an original chance will not in the back they wrote up a whole thing about what are they bringing new to the table so to speak it's a few pages long and fascinating fascinating information if one wants to understand the development of the history the shots will know what they did when they came out we take for granted everything that we have but literally everything that they did they spent a lot of time money it was a huge investment of money because it could have backfired and then they would have lost a lot of money they were under a race of time they needed to put they wanted to put out the shafts and it wasn't simple it wasn't a simple manner but they also wanted to put out as many good new things that are out there so they sort out all different types of materials and they were listed out so at the end they explained very clearly what it is that they have La Marshall when they talk about they say to Shabbos various messages they got from a manuscript the Vatican in running okay so here you have it people always love to say over if the Vatican has Jewish manuscripts and there's hidden manuscripts and people have stories upon stories based on it but yes the Vatican has manuscripts and we somehow got access I'm about to say how we got access in a moment and they published materials in the shast villain that everyone has in their house from the Vatican Library okay this is relating to Robin hanano on certain um the British museum was how they got on bubbakama by Matia they printed Anonymous actors okay this is they write this out listing amongst the many other different amazing things helping a person decide you want to buy shots villain you should buy it because it has all these different things okay in the beginning of the volume they start talking about who worked for them who and and they describe more at length who is involved with their Publications so they list out and this person this is a very significant piece of information one of the good islands of villain at the time was he worked for them and he was on my gear for them in all different things he also is a magia working on writing haris on rabena Canal so they described the story that basically they're running against the clock they find out that there's manuscripts it's not like today if someone finds out there's a manuscript today by tomorrow he could have a scan of it in his computer and within two days he could have it typed up those days you had to get we're talking about Lita getting someone in Rome the Vatican other places to get it and it's hard to read to get it typed up there's no such thing typing it up you write it you copy it by hand you have to read it you have to find someone who could read it you know obviously to send someone down a special person that's expert reading costs a lot of money so the kids are there was a Yin which we quoted in episode number six the Victor he had great connections with the Vatican so much so that because of his work he was allowed to take out books and all different things he did he used his pull with the Vatican and he was able to get for the Shas vilna materials not only that he got them did they write this all out about her stuffer he got them a person an old man who was like seven years old who was a professional transcriber of manuscripts this was a job in those days and even though we also spoke about and other people and did you say from needed him for his work he was vilna to be able to get the manuscripts of Robin because the Clock Was ticking what does it mean the clock is ticking if they don't have it the investors the whole thing the whole big massive project crashes they have to have it out by a certain period of time they can't say okay we need another three years to do research they got money from people up front people would want there to see the work already the clock okay anyway the kids Who's involved with this the 2K sorry for me helps them but you can already start seeing that it was under the gun there was a rush so so it's interesting is after you read this Dover you can understand why a few times it hasn't just points out but not that there's you can't rely on anything in the in the Robina Canal a bad that you could and this is a key point in this whole discussion is held and this is I'm going to give more sources for this message next time that even if I find a safer um let's say and there's problems in the safer but there's certain truvas that are proven to be right and it's fine we don't say just because one true is problematic it passes everything each chuva vitruva is as they say is innocent until proven guilty now interestingly enough there were other good islands that were Isaac before the Shas film was just to note because this just came out through David 3 Hoffman in the 1860s this is before the 1880s is when the chance of illness happening but the 1860s already he publishes um The Robin's with Horus and it's um it's not it's a very fine article and you should say it from my friend the rabbi Hoffman discussing it and the point is that as I mentioned already in earlier episodes many of them had no problems using Robin and Marshall Ramirez we just said it many times using it all the time the kazanesh was nervous because he came across specific pieces and he said something is not right he was very sensitive to the lotion and that's what got him nervous but we know and we quoted this also the haznish has great respect for messiah of Tyra as an early region and we know it will reside and bring it down so anyway um just to conclude to wrap this up right now until next time is that that it's that that what I'm showing is that a lot of times the shashash was specifically on Robin which was a new discovery which was taka published under the gun as they say and who didn't have the same let's say when certainly come out today sometimes these Works they spend years working on them Horus are full of eon every single thing they're comparative they they it's there's McCombs that are sponsoring it here when the shots women was putting on the side so yes they did have my DMs without mentioning it and other people helped them but it was a rush so there and and it's true there are pieces that sometimes it's missing in the hataka and today actually based on new discoveries they found much more material that they didn't have for the shots film and this is Marshall if you buy a chance of action they've been putting in new pieces that the chance of only doesn't have this is advertisement for them but they're not paying for it and they have put out a critical edition of Rubino Canal based on new manuscripts that they've discovered tons of new pieces as many many new pieces Urbana based on the new discoveries but these works are done much slower much more careful so not that there's a Time on the shaft they'll know that they did it they were they did what they did and people used it and like listed out and they used it even with all the mistakes even the but I said it even has an issues that that's the kiddish so you have to use every piece the goofish you can't make a cloud for that anyways next time it's Hashem will finish up one more partial to explain and then hopefully this will give us at least some insight in the khazanesh yashita on the manuscripts and it'll help us also understand further with thank you very very much fascinating that horrible piece is the real parisha um so before we close out I brought do you want to surprise us with a safer give us a couple minutes on something going on in your library okay so so just as agdama I must say we're recording this episode it's very it's a very tough time for me because right now is what's called Book Week in arts Israel or now it's known as book month and basically haredi places and and um non-harity places publish books all year round with adafka release certain books now and there's major sales wherever you go all over it's Israel and people are buying books it's like in the it's in the ear people that don't buy books ever buy books anyway so yesterday was What's called the the the non-from um sale which takes place in different places all over it's Israel so I was there for a few hours and so I'm just gonna show one book very interesting that I picked up and it happens to be the connection is because it's relating to a lot of the stuff we discussed in season two of replying kenyevsky okay so it's called I did Cayenne is the author I know from yid Mizrahi saive highlight okay this book is published by Magnus press That's the Hebrew University press it's 438 pages and paperback I don't know why they were cheap and they didn't make it in um hardcover it's very hard for me to read it in paperback but anyway fascinating work based on his Doctorate on now there's endless material I've mentioned a few times even in these episodes there's the travels which in the past year three different editions came out about them and other manuscripts with that relaying just to the he does travels I don't know something over they list out I think somewhere somewhere like I see one place the list gives 126 kiburon the kiddish of that is he was traveling a lot of his life okay anyway this book what's the hashiva's in this book there's a lot of literature about already especially the Marshall Meister of cook has a book from mayor Benito this book focuses on three main things one is the Michael Tafe which I've quoted a bunch of times in the past which was his travels where he documents things that amongst other things that he documents he documents the Swarm he saw which I used him for in these episodes for the manuscripts that he saw he was the person I said one of the main people that I think made it known that the manuscripts in all different libraries he wrote a book which I quote all the time in these Sheeran The Shema magdalem which is his in-depth work which is a classic and he lists out about the Swarm again manuscripts he saw people he met all different types of things and another work which we also spoke a little bit about that the birke Yousef which is his classic work where he uses the vast materials that he found in his travels so all this is discussed at Great length in this fascinating book ah it came out yesterday how do I know I've read some articles of this I've heard him speak about certain things in this topic I've read certain parts in his Doctorate it's excellent work again there seems to be a very um in great interest not only by svardim a very proud of yesterday that's what I'm mentioning thank you very much and now's a great opportunity 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