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The Chazon Ish using New Reshonim Published from Manuscripts
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welcome back Rabbi Dr Eleazar brat it's
a pleasure to be back with you and we
are back to our series on Modern
kanyevsky zatzal we already did this
season six episodes discussing
manuscripts and the connection to rub
Heim was different manuscripts that Heim
used to use and had these manuscripts
evolved throughout the generation
we've come to a point now which is the
big discussion in the current or modern
day world
on using manuscripts so that is going to
be today's topic I think Rabbi brought
plans on doing two episodes on this and
once again we would like to thank our
sponsor for the kanyevsky episodes this
whole season two has been dedicated
anonymously by a close friend of Rabbi
Dr
brattach
David or the Torah and all the new
knowledge that people get from these
episodes should be a Eloy for shama
um something interesting people
constantly ask you what do you have
going on behind you what are those piles
of books and books and more books and
they get a tiny tiny Glimpse tiny window
into the collection that you have and
you could talk about another time the
addiction that you have to collect in
Spartan
and that's for another session
but perhaps today maybe at the end of
the episode you'd like turn around pull
one book out and just like go through
one book no we gotta start with start
somewhere pull out a book and tell the
audience you know open a book and tell
them what this book is what it's about
why you have it you think it's something
that perhaps
is an idea
we'll try maybe we'll we'll randomly
pull out uh wrong we'll do a guy brought
us in for some fun today okay so
everyone stay tuned until the end then
the episode we brought promises
probably never to pull out a book and
talk about it let's not forget so what
are we talking about today
so we're going to talk about the up till
now we discussed the shita of
um to sum up what we did and what we
will now do is as follows
until now I claimed there's two
approaches approach number one we're
going to call it to make it life simple
the mission of Brewers shita which is to
use new discoveries
and there was another sheeta which we're
going to call it
not to use the new discoveries of the
new regime
that's to make life simple in a sentence
so the next few episodes up till now
we um I episode um in the first six
episodes of this season I outlined in
Broad Strokes some of the history of the
publishing and usage of the usage of new
manuscripts I was able to show pretty
much that everyone used them with no
issues not just the mission Brewer
and especially what's important for us
as rickevsky appears from all his
writings to collect the mission Brewer
he Embraces everything new madrasium
discoveries we shine discoveries and to
the extent that he even worked on
editing some of these manuscripts for
print
which we spoke about now before we begin
um
I just found
Amish the past few days a sheet a piece
of information relating to this from him
Zimmerman
um who also talks about the usage of
manuscripts and he says I found it very
interesting I'm not going to read the
whole passage it's uh to over two pages
but he says like this
when a new manuscript of a safer of
evolution is discovered a new universe
of Terror comes into being
then he refers to another book of his
and he says basically as much as
revealed to a generation so much so that
much has to be revealed today he says
although no theoretical concepts of the
science of developed many technological
discoveries are developed every day so
entire for the last 50 years they were
discovered many manuscripts
their Discovery is parallel and
proportional to Modern technological
discoveries in physical world this is
the real reason why so many manuscripts
were discovered and restored in this
generation never was there a period in
history where so many manuscripts were
found and published in the total world
as narrow time
he says there's no guy named brisker or
others that to some Toyota man had to
flow in this generation proportionally
to the meager amount of so what what do
we do he Hashem is made it and he
elaborates on this the new discoveries
of manuscripts so this is I found to be
a very interesting take and he is saying
this to understand this he dies in the
90s um I think it was in the nine in the
1990s so if you're taking that into
account in recent years it's been a
bigger explosion than when he went from
his time of new manuscripts okay
maybe tell the audience who he is he
can't just leave us hanging that way ah
okay so I'm definitely um is a person
that's worthy very worthy of having a
few episodes to discuss him but he was
famous for being roshishiva and Skokie
for a while eventually in the 1970s he
made Aliyah he was considered by in all
standards who is a nephew and a Talman
of rubber very very into the tire of
Israel
but he also was very into the Khazana
um he was very mathematically gifted and
for example in the famous Dateline Shyla
he wrote a massive 500 page work all
aspects of it demonstrating his yeah
that not only in londis and in learning
and but an understanding of the Sciences
he was a very unique out of the box
cuddle a very big deep thinker he wrote
A Lot in Hebrew and in English I think a
lot of his articles actually appeared in
the Jewish press
um at some for for a while but I that
was before my time and some of them were
collected in various books one of the
books I just read from is called Terror
in existence and he has another book
called Tyran reason and there's other
books in English and other
um other lumdishvaram of his of all
types they're all pretty hard to find
these days but anyway he was a unique
um tremendous that died in I believe it
was 1995. okay fine so now you've given
us the information about what you've
done we're ready to get the khazana's
cheetah but everyone talks about it
manuscripts what he holds perhaps you
could show us some sourced information
whether it's books and storm that
everyone knows about some articles I
think that's what we are all waiting to
hear
okay so first like this the first
question is really to step back a drop
and it is to ask iski which I'm which
I'm claiming which is pretty
obviously is using these new manuscripts
and everything so is this unique in the
basement that has an issue to embrace it
or there are other people in the
basement
that embrace the new discoveries the
answer is and the first season I spoke a
few times I mentioned that the rakhan
kanesevsky was influenced by four
different great people one of them was
his father who not only did he have a
tremendous impact on him they learned
called tarakula literally together
so when you look about the stipler
you you find that number one we spoke
about already that the requsky worked on
the publishing it for manuscript who got
him the job was the stipler very
unlikely to say that the stipler will be
against publishing new manuscripts and
getting the job if he was against it
now stipler like many other dailym
of his letter the three volumes of his
letters called krina the igrisa and in
the year we find the Marshall a
beautiful askama on the discovery of
Urbana Hills Parish on this free
that's one Discovery and now it's very
unlikely that he would give a beautiful
ass comma if he didn't believe in these
new discoveries that there's some
benefit of having these manuscripts in
the same volume
that we find another you know there was
a someone in England or of Halpern
published a some new material of tysus
Nadar the stapler gives a beautiful
asukama
um worthy of reading all his shyness but
explaining how that Hashem is bark makes
it that um
that certain certain materials come to
light at certain periods of time and our
generation was like to be to be guile
these different regime and we
muscadel he says he mentions even that
there are plenty still in manuscript but
anyway he writes very very
um enthusiastic about these materials
from these new manuscripts relating to
tices
and another ascama one other one is to
mention is the tysis rush someone bought
hematitis Rush on a different sector
and the stipler also gave a very nice
comma but here just a cute thing was he
said a lot of times how do we know that
it's a Texas rush so he says my son
replying kanyevsky told me that the
Sharon
brings down a piece from this Isis Rush
from this manuscript this was on so so
here we have a way how it's
authenticated and was authenticated by
his great sonjevsky's Bukis not only in
reshine him and in
hazals here we see him being Bucky in
Akron in the sharamel okay anyway the
point what's interesting is is that the
crying for some reason they sent
her out the names and the names of the
Swarm and a lot of these letters I don't
know why but that's the um we so we see
it but bottom one we see stipler seems
to be somewhat Pro using new manuscripts
maybe not but using them next another
person which we also spoke a little bit
about in season one was someone who was
very close with the kazanus and Kalman
Kahana was Isaac very much in his run
not only in myself but publishing new
works a manuscripts
and different materials relating to
helping
new discoveries and a large part of his
he ended up establishing a Mahone and
what's significant is this Mahone was
taken over eventually by rabafrati
talmum yashif everything was done with
the under the hashikaka so to speak of
rebellious they learned intense intense
but also focus on publishing materials
for manuscripts it's so much many works
of
that have come out has been coming
through them and just to mention the
Marshall the cafter effect they did a
beautiful job based on manuscripts so
here we see again people that are
affiliated I would say or extending from
the basement so it's funny the steepler
these are people that that kazanesh
meant a lot even though the khazash
meant a lot to most people but these are
swore everything by him it's strange
that they would go against him so
blatantly okay that's the that's so
that's the background of I'm just trying
to make it dramatic okay now
but the question is really what does the
kaizenich hold so the hazenish in
general
was beyond prolific and he was prolific
which is not the case of many dailym
even in his lifetime
he's born in the 1870 1878 and he dies
in 1953. he first publishes his first
work has an ish in 1911. that's well
known he doesn't write his name on it
but he already published materials in
some newspapers beforehand as early as I
think 1901.
so he wrote a lot we know he wrote
literally on called tarakula you go into
a shoe Library where some many people
have their houses it's mind-boggling how
much he wrote
to make a rashima a proper listing of
bibliographical of all his materials
that he wrote is very hard
already 10 years after he was Nifty or
kalamu Kahana we just mentioned has a
beautiful listing and we read it it's
mind-boggling how much he published at
that period by that period of time
running
so now
we have to keep that in mind he wrote a
lot so to find his sheeta in something
that could be spread out in a lot of
different places is a job a hard job
number two is they're constantly finding
new material just as an example in the
past few years five massive volumes of
materials of his has come out from
manuscripts
um and more more and more keeps on
coming out
um I always joke that one of the
building that's writing from the graves
besides the Wikipedia and some Cipher is
Hasan just yesterday I saw going up an
auction uh a huge selection of 50
materials of the khazanesh yes if you
want someone to buy for me I will accept
it of different product of relating to
the haznish that was seems to have been
on his table on the days that he right
before he died
I have no idea where they had it where
they got it from it sounds very
interesting I did not have a chance to
look at the full description of it but
sounds crazy
stable
good that's a good question I don't know
after I read this read carefully these
items maybe we'll be able to have a
question what's uh what's what anyway
the point is the kazanesh wrote a lot
now besides the writing a lot and
Publishing it he also wrote letters that
were given to special to regular people
he also spoke to many people yeah tell
me them and he had people that came into
him because either
so in order to get such a person's she
thought clear in a manner that could
come up many times it's not easy okay
now in general in order to understand
the sheet of the Khazana so to speak for
this you have to check up all the quotes
you have to see firsthand if you could
the different quotes that he says now
the problem is that some of them were
censored and you don't know the context
of the letters who he's writing it and
what's he writing it about why is he
saying what he's saying which makes it
harder
but it makes it even harder is that
sometimes new materials come to light
about a particular piece of information
and then sheds light on up till now you
thought a certain way and then a new
sentence comes to light they reprint the
letter they add we have the manuscript
we're adding one more line that line
could be a key to understanding much
more and this happens a lot with the
kazanish in and even in this topic
one of the letters that that's not as
well known is a discussion with he had
was a letter that vesla writes about
talking to the president about it and
then just recently a few months ago the
letter came out again but this time they
added a few more lines and that few
those few lines as I'm going to show in
the next episode helps us understand
much more with what the Khazana meant
anyway these are just some of the points
now
so when a lot of the quotes of the
khazanush relating to this topic and
others is found in the Hebrews
well-known Hebrew very famous three
volumes
um now the problem is they when they
quote a lot of these letters a lot of
these letters and they have different
pieces they don't tell you who it's
going on who it was written to when it
was written and sometimes they take out
sentences all of a sudden there'll be a
dot dot dot and you don't know what's
going on
um Rabbi teager who we've quoted a few
times mentions in his work called
conscious Derek ish incredible small
work on the hazanesh
um
he shows how certain True Value was cut
up over six times put into six different
places but you don't know that when
you're reading each one of the letters
until you actually see the whole letter
published and there's a bunch of
examples we're not going to go into that
now if you open up the kovitz so the
first volume which literally came out
within a year or two after his Nifty it
stresses
um that there's significant it has
initials letters he was um it helped and
he did so much it helped it will help
people
all different types of things people
used to ask him all different pieces of
information all different questions and
so we have these letters now the letters
did not necessarily saw all the
manuscripts of the letters some so but
they publish it now the SEC in the
second in the volume three which comes
out also in the 50s pretty much right
within a year of a few years less than
five years after the Khazana it says
work
okay
now Robin zilber one of your daily Brack
a famous author of juvas aznid Brew who
had us supposed to have a a connection
with the khazanesh he writes in a few
different letters
he says I'm only talking about this
volume specifically the the the kind of
tigers that has and then she says it's
not a safer it's not because
and he says used to say don't rely on
things that I said
um that people that say from my name
balpet
even letters it's considered about them
so he said he's saying that pretty much
we don't know the background of the
particular letter so beware
and as I said not all letters are taken
from manuscripts some of these letters
are from conversations and they don't
even tell you where those conversations
are from okay
my grandfather or Barry Lieb Spitz had a
um
in a piece that he wrote In The Journal
called hamar um in the 80s so the
question that he was dealing with
related to a specific letter of the
Khazana she goes so far as to say that
if you look carefully he couldn't
believe that Hazard said what he said in
that letter so he said that the letter
is not about samho it does not sound
like he said because it came out after
he dies they got tons of materials from
all over the world some of the stuff
that wasn't labeled but they published
it and it could be they didn't go
through everything carefully enough to
verify every single thing that a thing
came from the khazanesh and he and he
brings even from a red Vaz such an issue
that you can't rely on truvis that came
in afterwards okay whatever the the um
my point is that if you look very
carefully in gen this is a general issue
with
most plenty of other that when you find
their works you have to be very careful
to see the sources and to know what the
Makara is who's saying it Etc now just
to just to talk about this a little just
a drop long and then we're going to get
to the meat and potatoes as they say
Professor yaakov Spiegel who I've quoted
numerous times in the past he has a book
called A mutin batala say for every it's
five volumes and one of the volumes he
deals with this concept in general terms
with the map specifically about the
Khazana but many times we find we shine
him could write two different farm and
it could be steers between the two Farms
I mean everyone knows random let's say
this Theory some random then we're busy
answering it but it's come let's say the
rush if you have a stereo between the
Russians of succumb to Russian truvis
what do you do so let's say you have a
khazanish says one thing and then you
have in the igoris that's a written
egress and we know it's from him is it a
it's a stereo possibly so what do you do
um and there's all types of column
Generations gave all different types of
column which rep this professor Spiegel
outlines will us there's another issue
not necessarily everything to do said
God the one printed especially
um there's a there's a question letters
letters a lot of times did not want
printed they were meant mamish for
one-on-one private conversation as if it
was a controversy a few years back
Professor Mark Shapiro published some
many interesting letters that that the
Swedish had with with um with Professor
Atlas very very interesting things and
then people were very upset these were
private letters they were not
necessarily supposed to be published so
Spiegel brings this down also and this
caused the whole discussion in the Toro
Mata Journal back and forth about it
okay
so you can't just mention Professor
Atlas and like run by without mentioning
who he is
okay so the answer is that he was a
person that learned in slobatka Yeshiva
eventually becomes a professor it seems
he becomes affiliated with reform but he
still loved learning and he had a close
close relationship with the three of the
age they had many different letters back
and forth but he also put out
interestingly enough to write
a martial in Lakewood there was at least
one edition of arriving all crossed out
fear or whatever something like that
anyway so they had very interesting
letters back and forth which were
published in the Toro model journal and
of course some type of Scandal if it
would have been the times the internet
I'm sure have been much more and the
editor at the time
um had to defend why he did it whatever
okay so anyway the point is foreign
but maybe he didn't want him to get out
okay anyway there's all types of these
type of conversations Spiegel deals with
it in his work and this plays out even
more and we will get to some aspects of
it in a later episode with
what's happened is is that there's a
whole genre of news Farm which they map
out all the unhuggers that they people
see that they watch godolly doing and
God will be there's a crazy amount to
these types of storms coming out and is
of plenty of more recent years like this
but it's already found let's say that my
real my real was a talometer than my
real watch to my real carefully and he
would record what he saw and it became
one of the main sources for the Ramos so
obviously certain times these Works have
very important impact anyway
um with the kazanesh a lot of times it
could be a sack and they and you'll
check into it and then you'll see what
the next person will say it's just it's
not true he didn't mean it I just want
to give I could give many different
examples for this I'm not going to
Spiegel in his latest book called every
as a whole has three different places
where he talks all about the khaznish
with these aspects quoting different
theorists in the stories and in the
different things I'm just going to
mention two very very brief ones and it
gives you the idea one was that someone
said something about a certain piece of
the beer hagra a famous pieces of beer
Agra and hold on just give me a second
um okay I think it was about the Khazana
who said something about wearing yamakas
and the person said what do you mean
there's a beer Agra that says that
wearing yamako is
said that he saw the gra in a dream
and the girl told them that he was
Kaiser
so the assistant
did not believe that the grok he said
this is not the way spoke he wouldn't
have told them even if the girl did come
whatever okay and obviously there's a
type of story today I'm sure you can
make a whole
this is the way he would talk is anyway
Ricky does believe it doesn't Okay and
then he brings that interesting enough
that about something else that Heim
grinemann said that has um
said that he heard from the haznish that
tegraw came to him a few times in dreams
to talk to him and learning
um and other issues so here you have on
one
handski saying okay so maybe it could be
about this piece that that's what father
saying he's Heiser and he's gonna come
to the transition maybe that whatever
anyway this is a story and just one
other story just to say for the sake of
a story
seems that in the in the 19th in the
late 1940s there was an issue there was
not a lot of food in Earth Israel so
some people allow powdered milk
others answered it so two Bachman from
Heaven came to the Khazana to ask him
about using this so one asked them and
told them no way you can't eat it
another one said you could it's just
okay to come back to yeshiva's Cavern
the stereo two guys walked in each one
got a different sack what the president
say so someone from the cavern went back
to Kazan what's going on he says what do
you mean I said both both were saying
the truth one and he starts smiling he
says like this one guy looked like a
gibber he's a strong bucker he asked me
I said no you can't because it's not
going to hurt him he doesn't have food
it was in a time there wasn't a lot of
food so he said you dumb people the
other guy he was a skinny little wimpy
guy so him I told him he could be Mako
so you see that a Taylor it was a
tailored sack he understood the
situation but it wasn't meant to become
the sack for cloudy thrill at the time
this is obviously before the internet
etc etc anyway so the point is that we
one has to be very careful this is
general for the hassanesh and it's also
general for Kain kaneski which we will
get to Amir tashem in a special episode
dealing with these type of things now to
our main as a call to medium potatoes of
our story what's the story what's going
on here what does it has an ish
what's going on so the
for me also is that um says a line and
he says that people already in The Times
They say things whatever
I wrote it a lot whatever I wrote are
you going to find theorists you're not
going to find theorists in what I wrote
the hainu in things that we know for
certain that the haznus wrote there's
not going to be steers
and then I come across this is where
kamakana says
then I come across
in the conscious choice but you're going
to get to momentarily the haznish writes
a fascinating line and this I think
plays out by the kazilian's writings
very important thing
people read things like reading a letter
quickly because
you have to be made
there's their opposite
people like to be quick
some people have fast faces and
sometimes you'll find even that they
read swarm very fast they're not being
makshiv what they're reading carefully
and you have to read carefully
especially topics that are very amok now
with that with those introductions the
Khazana he wrote he wrote on purpose
very hard to understand you have to be
madaic in everything he says every tag
should be tag means something by him
again I'm not saying like as a reason
but it means a lot okay now so what's
the sheet that they say over so number
one is like this
already a year after he dies the 3dation
a literature of Herzog writes that he
found something in a chuus that was
found in the kairag Niza and he was all
happy with it but he says he writes this
letter but they says
that's what they say over so it already
got to the street the issue was not an
artistro the sheet of the khazanesh and
as I said the letters were not yet
published it was published a year or two
later with destler has there's two
letters published in that he had
conversations with the kazanesh also
some type of thing that you can't rely
on new manuscripts okay and Amit Hashem
we will get to explain more the letters
and talk more about the letters of
Odessa next episode
okay there's a year there was a great a
tremendous Talent
of Rosenthal
who was also a talmud by the hazanesh
who's a tremendous guy the way I heard
of him was because when I was in the
mirror I learned by
um one of the Lesser known magidi
Sherman in the mirror at the time was
her mayor schmolevel it's the youngest
son of a heims his father-in-law was
this rebiak of Rosenthal Rosenthal was a
famous coin his father was
who's also going and he wrote 15 volumes
on rambam so he writes he he came across
a piece of the Ravid that was printed
for the first time manuscript on the
side of the Shasta Vilma he went and he
thought it could answer up a whole thing
so he comes into Israel he says
You must know my shita not to rely on
manuscripts and um okay so here we have
a talmud testifying about Israel about
manuscripts okay
so the question is what does he hold so
so far it seems like he holds not to
rely on it
now
what I'm going to show now the next
bunch of pieces of information are going
to be proof study holds that you could
rely on manuscripts at times number one
we I already mentioned the khazana's
first work comes out in 1911. already
this work it deals with a lot of
archiving topics and he quotes one of
the works they quotes many many times
with great great covet is the words of
the mishna Brewer and we know there's a
letter of the Khazana and the Khazana
talks about the mission in other places
with unbelievable covets saying he's
like delicious and we know he argues on
the mission Brew many times and he talks
about the missionary
dozens and dozens of times hundreds and
hundreds of times
but yet anyone who knows you learn Mr
Brew for a few minutes you come across
that the missionary is relying on
reshining you would think that somewhere
one of the times should say by the way
he
we don't relying him he never once
mentions it and he's been and he's
quoting him from 1911 and onwards and he
knew Mr Brewer Khan's car he uses it for
everything he went through Clarion
points out his issues all the time so to
me this is already something it's a rare
of some sort again I'm sure people could
argue that's a point but now let's go
into the Excel music take a deep dive
is known he took he um different
pulmasim and different controversies in
Aloha he took part of bakayov one of the
most famous
controversies that took place in his
lifetime was the Dateline Shyla which is
worthy of a episode or two not from from
me but
basically
yeshivas mere and others were stuck in
Shanghai
in the 1940s and the question was what
which what to do based on the Dateline
child which days to observe Young kippa
so big Tomo and dailymot was involved
and not much what to do and asking
differently there were meetings okay
so at the time
who gets involved
another God who gets involved with
tukushinski people who are familiar with
the sugya know that a lot of the
materials come a lot of the discussion
revolves around three rishinam
it was besides the balamur and the
kosari which is its own discussion how
relying on the kurs
it's his own discussion which we
mentioned a little bit in the episode we
spoke about the kosari but
number one there's a peace arrived in
the curse of sham of the Ravid which was
printed in the 1930s from manuscript in
a journal called School
and this plays a role in the
conversation of the khazanesh and of
takushinski another Hebrew a talmud of
the rush called yes which was printed in
the 1770s and another Heber from above
and also an early Vision very involved
in astrology astronomy but there was
pretty from the 1850s these three swarm
are very crucial in the sugya of the
datelines
if one opens up author the work known as
and his work on the datelines
um oh I don't have it in front of me
countries
and he publishes literally right after
the 1941 controversy and if you look a
martial in the newspapers of the time in
El in
1941 rebseven writes an article where he
gives the background what's the machikas
what he gives the audience in the hot
sofa paper what's the bahoikas about and
he really puts it down in reservan's
style giving you the background when
this when was the first time the child
was discussed and different materials
about it and he says one of the main
makayas in the sugar is this is so now
it has an ish
is not people mistakenly says didn't
even care about these reciting him but
he didn't even see them he was just
quoting it because of takashinski uses
them and he was coming to argue on him
so he uses with toshinsky's quotes and
he doesn't it's clear if you learn
carefully the countries he checked up
the Swarm and he uses them he doesn't
dismiss them he could have said a line
which he does in other controversies and
say don't bother don't bring me rise
from new manuscripts he's handling the
whole in the country so you can show his
the whole time he's handling as if the
regular cheetahs in the sugyo that one
has to deal with of these three what I
call new manuscripts one was mamish
printed less than 10 years before and
the other two were printed in past
hundred a few hundred years and they
were napped from way way there so here
we see him using them and he doesn't say
boo about the problem another polus that
also took place inert Israel a little
later was a police known as the poem
well which is became a sharp machikistan
so and the stapler got involved with
this also writing about it this also
became a very Hot Topic in the course of
this
okay um in the course of this discussion
we find that it was brought to the
intention of the of the khazanesh that
is a chuva of the name so says the
Khazana that I saw a true versus
which we spoke all about the Hebrews
even though I hold you can't rely I'm a
car nearing had the volume
it's real it sounds reliable you rely on
it this piece was discovered already as
early as 1802
I've not yet located
who was the first person to use it but
since then we have many sources that say
whatever it says in these in this troops
are going on the topic and the Hazel
doesn't dismiss it he says no he brings
you down the whole piece he has a hope
shot and understand that he's arguing
with other people I didn't say but the
point is he's not saying oh it doesn't
make a difference he adds in a key line
over here which we'll get back to but
he's using it in this Pumas and the same
page
um there's a famous thing which we
already mentioned the Miri Miri gets a
bad slack they claim that the khazan ish
there's even a again I mean type of
thing he's sort of like Nan tamiri let's
open up the Khazana says number one in
the country of Europe which we're
talking about right now on the same page
says
he says I didn't see it inside someone
gave me a copy of what it says and this
is what and it fits in and fine and
doesn't dismiss it in another place and
causation he says
and he says you should be we should be
match here even that government
okay now I'm not telling you that you're
gonna find a hundred quotes of the
Miriam the safer he doesn't and that
will get to why but the point is he's
not dismissing it outright but now the
story gets for goes further
at some point in the 19 late 1940s I
believe it is someone wants to print the
Hebrew Shar hamayam of the rajbo for the
first time for manuscript this person
really has an issue in vinay Brack he
comes into that has an ish he's printing
its manuscript so he wants to know now
obviously he's asking if you can put
into a manuscript because he knows has
some time something up with manuscripts
he says like this
even though
the Khazana says
but he says this lover bar the Sharma
you look carefully at this you could
tell it's the rajma print it no problem
s
in his book review under a pen name on
the sharmaim says here we see not like
people think with the kazanesh some
people think from the conscious
printing manuscripts what do you mean
he's telling him here you could just it
has to have an important piece of
information which is we have to be vadai
that it is
now obviously that's that's a
conversation that needs to be had fine
so now I'm showing you from yet another
source
holds from the sharamayam he was okay
with it now
there's another work that relates to
this conversation is that rev Maisha
Lipschitz who is a tremendous librarian
somewhere in in America so he talks
about the Khazana and he says if you
open up this Mission
says his fouls
the words
embracing a new discovery the Richter
that came out after after
so too in another place I found in
evanese
okay another discussion we mentioned
that we spoke about
so I quoted then that that people said
melter in a bunch discuss if
everyone was relying on the quote of the
ramban found the ran but the ramban was
published in the ninth in the 1790s and
then we see much much more on this and
that would have changed that even
perhaps the grow would have changed his
mind
so much so this relates to how to Lane
um how to have the breaks increase
so who also Embraces this ramban okay
brings down
okay so we see yet again that there are
times that he's using these okay just
two more kindness and then we'll come to
the conclusion this Rift eager who I've
quoted numerous times
he brings that he found also other
places he brings a place where the
Khazana Springs down
so that's another manuscript published
for the first time
so again we have uh maramakum which
would show that the khazanish at least
certain times is accepting and one last
thing he brings us a case of in hokus
there's a places
which brings it down for I believe if
someone does an extensive examination
that hasn't she'll find a bunch more of
these type of things no one has done it
up till now but the point is like this
at this point and this is how concluding
episode number one it seems and this is
how riftiger understands it also and
others is like this
that hazanesh is willing to accept when
something is a new discovery if he is
convinced
that it's a real true therefore
he held the martial of the conscious
Ness Embraces a Miri fits into the sugya
that did not get him nervous so now
obviously I'm gonna leave on a
cliffhanger what did and I brought a
bunch of different proofs I think the
proofs maybe you might say one in itself
is not but I believe putting them all
together something emerges obviously
there are I have to admit now we'll give
a sneak preview to that there are times
he's against it when is that Amit Hashem
I hope to be put in a proper perspective
the next episode
okay fascinating we are
we have plenty to digest here on this
episode looking forward to the next
episode
so a couple things you mentioned
riftiger I had the opportunity to meet
with tiger he was in America recently
um and we discussed as we discussed with
him in Heritage Israel that he will join
us in the very near future to discuss
his
participation and editing of heim's
forum if you haven't seen check out
online
Google YouTube If URI Tigger fascinating
videos of him discussing
foreign there's videos of coming to
visit him you imagine coming to visit
him taking out of taking his time after
he visited his
visit this review so he obviously had
tremendous amounts of akarsity
so there's even one video relating to
this with the Chris
he has a conversation and if you don't
know the Sugi you can't tell the sugar
but once you know this one video where
history says yeah and he opens up the
mission Brewer he learns the whole Suite
with him inside about the Korea satira
and the garage
one of these videos incredible um
now as promised people are always asking
what do you have going on behind you
they don't even know that what's behind
you is like
a tiny tiny drop of the mountainous Farm
they have scattered around Earth's
Israel and all your different masks
different storage houses so turn around
pull out a random safer and tell us
what's going on
okay so I'm going to pull out a safer
it's it's higher up easier to get to
and the significance of the safer is
that right before
I'm gonna show you the say for a second
right before
less than 24 hours before this past few
is I get an email
that this safer came out and this is
already causing me problems I live in
ramapi chemist there's no way in the
world this is getting to your shalayim
how am I going to have some casiantev
some people they have some resultant
with wine
with meat and yes I do like cheesecake
cheesecake but once I know that this
safer is out it's over and it's going to
be very depressing I automatically start
making the necessary arrangements and
luckily luckily it comes through and it
comes to me it's cold
EST it's called taldus Adam
from removing my goalis it's a book that
he wrote his first work
which he wrote in let's check the year
it says in 1912 it came out in Lemberg
his first work and he wrote over 50
works on the Marsha incredible
incredible work
it's published by I have a Shalom now
what's the significance of this work is
number one is it was very rare very hard
to find and also they have
the nephew of my goals is alive is in
his 80s is working together with them
published to published a lot of
different materials new materials and in
the copy of removing my goal is his own
addition of this Talus Adam he had
numerous hundreds of isafas so they put
it all in with other materials and they
literally it's a beautiful beautiful
Edition worth every penny also they have
a bunch of letters that he had with
different that wrote to him after he
sent him the safer and this is he wrote
this when he was in his low 20s a
beautiful beautiful safer and it was
beautifully done high quality high
quality paper worth your money and this
helped me have a proper Simplicity if it
came and I was able to have eaten
beautiful okay so obviously you could do
10 episodes on a movie Margolis in 30
seconds who he was
around when he was born and what did he
do
this is very tough let's say 1900
he's um 18 late 1880s I believe it is
that he's born
because this is I said this is when he's
21 or 22. he dies in the 70s is but he
doesn't have children he's married twice
in Lemberg he was a microspharm he wrote
tons of farm articles newspapers Pub and
he was also a Publisher's Farm but he
also published his owns Farm but he was
obviously no ordinary person lemashulli
come starts Israel he makes Alia in the
30s goes to visit with cook with cook
makes a brachan singer Adam gado when he
sees him if Cook was in correspondence
with him or if Cook has a scammer which
could only be found in certain editions
of his
on his work on the Zaya other things
with cook was familiar with him and
liked him
found can be found in an eyewitness
account or someone that was there at the
time anyway he ends up putting out many
Morse fireman artists throughout walls
Israel he works for Mysore of cook he
also was the chief librarian in the Tel
Aviv in Tel Aviv he built a major Farm
library for that period of time it's
still it's actually still exists today
so he was but he was now he's a hasida
shiid from Lemberg galaxiana but he also
has zionistic leanings and he had to do
with let's mushroom cook but he had to
do with all types of people and him was
a legendary in all of Taira including
Kabbalah authored 50 60s firearm easily
and since this is a prime episode you
mentioned his connection to Abrahim very
briefly if you wanna mention oh yes so
even in this new edition he mentions
that was a loved him there's a few times
I think I quoted him in season one even
hankevsky Madam knew him had great
respect for him and so too
had great respect for him I do recall
enough there's even a peace that he says
or something that he heard from the
kazanesh
um but they both haznish and the style
um
liked him a lot this nephew was there at
least one of the conversations he had
conversation with about removing my
goals he brings it in this new
introduction in this work and so he
liked it and oh and to end hancy quotes
remove my goals cassador in La Marshall
his work on the ram let me quotes his
work on desire other places he quotes
many times
yes
and you'll see that certain things are
are blacked out or ripped out because he
gives a he dates the the safer to the to
the Medina so these type of terrible
days that he has anyway all in all um
that he had even though he didn't have
children
was having a sahana from his farm so now
this new printing I recommend
here you go
excellent wonderful thank you very much
looking forward to the next episode
thank you once again this episode was
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