The שלש שבועות - Their Meaning and Application

foreign [Music] it is my pleasure to welcome Rabbi Schneider Burton to discuss the topic being learned at the end of subas Miguel mentions now many people when they hear those words right away their mind goes to satmer shalous anti-zionist living in Earth Israel there is so much written and so much to listen to to watch online and everywhere else about YouTube about the Charlotte our good friend umiki rubenfeld um pointed out that Urban has a podcast called the Great sources season 2 of 28 episodes on this topic we really goes through well the sources the history the suggests of the Charlotte Israel so he suggested bringing Honor by Burton he acquiesced to come on and join us for half an hour 45 minutes we'll try to keep it much longer than that to discuss this early Burton as I mentioned has the podcast I heard him on with Nike Weinstein storm chatter discussing this topic he has a safer forthcoming called coming out soon and we hope to hear has some a little bit of clarification maybe something new on the topic of the icker challenge I think we'll leave out for now remember Burton how are you today thank you for coming on my pleasure to be here moisture it's really nice to be here to talk about uh this topic which is near and dear to my heart near and dear to every yet heart I think Deseret Israel just to make a slight correction my series of shoes is about you should write song In general the Mitzvah a part of that and an important part of that is is good Morris about this idea that Hashem made um uh he made a swear placed an oatha on Malaysia all that we shouldn't go back territory and the various other others this is such an important topic and um I I a relish the opportunity to to talk about it to teach people about to educate about it pleasure to be here okay so thank you I guess for starters maybe tell us what the Charlotte's are and is this the place in Tamil bavoli where it's mentioned is this the most that we'll get is SuperStar this is it so you have to pay attention here or else you miss it this gemara that's shocking and in its severity the gemara says that there's a bunch of Oaths and we'll talk about the specifics of what these Oaths are that if Bene Israel is going to transgress these oh sashem is going to um make their flesh Hefner like wild game which is a kind of expression of a punishment that we don't find anywhere anything close to that in Kaza right basically saying okay you know the punishment for this Avera let's call it for now whatever this is about is that your lives become half girl and then when people will hunt you down so so this is a mind-boggling thing and of course it's all being so Central to the Torah when you get to the gamar like this you want to think about is this about why why is Hashem making this oath that we shouldn't uh wheat plain retake out stuff I want to talk about the the Charlotte you know everyone calls it the Charlotte the three elves which is which is interesting because if you learn the gemara the death it actually turns into sex because the gamara says that the the Oaths are based on the text in in shirashim where it says not to arouse the love until it's time and again so therefore the three turn into six another version in the time of badly this is the only place you'll find it um The Other Place we've discussed that length is in the Medusa rabba and or some other mining madrasound she actually mentions it too and there are various versions four Oaths and sort of depends on how you foreign but uh so let's just we might just list out what the Shabbos are as they are appear in the gamara as they appear in town probably so we should know what the really six shoes are and they're just parenthetically the reason why I think it's called the reason why it's famous as the Charlotte's safer because Maisha where he decries the Zionist Enterprise of of capturing Eric's Israel or making a state he named this a for the shoes okay and this sort of a question why do you call it the shellish who is given that they are four or six so perhaps you meant to focus on only a few of them that's you know very detailed question there so what are this extra is so one of them is Rael shouldn't come up or Kathleen was a question of the gearsity like as a wall or bathyma which is a very interesting expression it means something like coming up with Force Rashi says together with Force so benazel shouldn't come back to earth as well all as one with some sort of power Rebel and that another one is to the guardian that they shouldn't be nice they shouldn't make money as well work too hard in colors then we shouldn't reveal the kids that we shouldn't distance okay it's another gears is we shouldn't try to hasten the Kate Angela we shouldn't reveal the secret it's a little bit cryptic of course but the last one is and a lot of these are sort of vague so you know what does that mean but clearly this is about something about our relationship in golf or how we're supposed to live in Gauss how we're supposed to relate to being in Godless and how the the nations are supposed to relate to ourselves perhaps he'll get to this when you discuss the severity and you meant a little bit is the fact that it's different than a regular lab it's interesting that we talk about something that you're not allowed to do as a schwa is that just the way shiroshima place the language or something different than a regular is there a regular right well see but something very important to understand is that we're dealing with our God this is not in the sense that in the simple sense that it's mentioned nowhere in the mission of Toyota rambam nowhere in the Earth has a matter of hello right and and to understand how we read this into him in other words to understand what the metric over here is you have to understand how kazal understands because she was about the relationship and it's ultimately about the idea that we will eventually come back together with Hashem but there's a right time for that and of course the martial is a a man and this and is a man and his uh and the woman that he loves and it's a conversation with you so but that's not hawaha this is Madras this is Agoda now that is no way to minimize it obviously if the gamara says that the the result of this is is that when they saw will be half cursor obviously we're dealing with a very a terrible and dangerous thing but to your question about you know okay this is a shurua is it what exactly is it it's not as true it's not an oath in any sense that anyone would say that that you actually get the Avera of over assure here because we're dealing with a reading of uh of so it may not even be something which is I'm sure you discussed this more in the halachic aspect of it um in your lengthy episodes on your on your podcast I don't know if you want to get into it here that's the question you know the weird question is okay so what are we talking about I mean you think about like this you know you read a good bar like this and I mean of course whenever you read a gamara you have to pause and think but you're reading command that says that there's a school that we shouldn't we take out this role and I want to tell you like another version of that in fact makes it even more the the one version of this in the madrizuto shiroshima is that there's a show against us we're building the base of McIntosh okay which is of course very similar to what the camera says it's basically something about hastening the end the case coming back that's all and they are just don't build the base and make Dash until you hear a voice from heaven because the plastic says um um deposit Pride to this talks about the coil because so you have to hear the voice from heaven and then you know it's time okay so you know you have to ask yourself to build a business is it is it's a midst I say like shaking a little love of course only when the when when the right circumstances hold and of course only when it's possible but as like like similarly living in Arizona according to the ramban ramban counts living in Earth Israel as one of the tiger mitzvahs even if you don't hold like they're on Vanna this is something I discussed in my forthcoming safer and I discuss at length in the shoe room the other podcast even if you don't hold the drum Band living in itself is still as um as the argodo the Minsky government calls it still amidst the rabbit the chief of our lamp that's still a very great mix with the whole terrorist Philip it's clearly a very important thing it might not be technically one of the minion Mitzvahs and there's one to talk about that why it's not part of the Minimates it doesn't matter it's not part of the minimum it's given that it's so Central to the player maybe it doesn't but it is very important right and here you have this thing that okay well don't go back to itself but now again we're talking strict Halal over here one of the tire mitzvahs which you must do according to the rules of that mitzvah if I want to know if I should take a little or not I have to look and hopeless at the time to take a look what does it mean to take a look and I just got to do it there can't be is this just some external is there to do something which is a Mitzvah and certainly building the base of mcdosh is a Mitzvah one of the tiger Misfits that holds on to certain circumstances but then well if we could build a base and make Dash today and and the right circumstances hold for that you know if we would know the makamam is back et cetera et cetera et cetera there's various reasons why we might not have a Mitzvah today but if we did have a Midsouth then what's this business of a Shibu of an Israel this is the worst Avera how could it be the worst ever that's the basic problem you know besides what I'm doing over here with being so strict but just even more basic what is this about what is this about an issue to do Mitzvahs to do the most important mitzvahs to bring the screener down to this which is right and right here we have this in this guitar in the circuit of talking how important this living itself and I say okay but wait a second it's actually the biggest Avera for us how do we square that that's the most basic issue so I think maybe I should present the since the summer of is the one who wrote All About This okay I want to present his opinion first but then I want to present what to me is is is more important to know which is something that the rambam writes about this very topic can you get a statement what's really fascinating is that in order to shine in there's no indication what this is about and I you know all these whenever you hear someone make these kind of categorical statements like nowhere in living shining does it say XYZ you have to take that with a few grains of salt and I might and I might be wrong of course there's no such thing as there is no such thing as reviewing all the literature to be shaded because there are things in manuscript things are being discovered but in this case there's a fellow who made a website called the alcohol um which as you can imagine is about and um he's a real Samurai and he collected all the literature about the school is and it's amazing what he did an amazing job he has that's it hundreds of pages meaning each statement and a little bit of a husband and then he goes to the guy named and we shine him later and I'm talking about thousands of thousands of pages and I am so appreciative of what he did although I think it's a little bit of a misplaced effort we'll get to that we'll get to that soon as we explore what the shooters are about but I'm so appreciative because it put everything in one place and I went through everything because I wanted to see do the reshow item actually help us understand what this is about and as I mentioned there is one reason the Roman taemon which tells us what it's all about and it just illuminates everything about the sogio but since the summer of wrote the same for Charlotte Lewis and and I think as you said that's where everyone's mind goes when you learn this game knows about that so let's I want to present his opinion so zombies ideas like this why is this the worst thing in the world so his ideas as follows and I'll I'll I I as I as you can see I'm not I don't really hold of it I'm gonna try to present it as best as I can which I do in my safer and you should know I learned I learned through this Indian with um for a couple of years with it not just Joshua's the whole topic but I you know since it's such a um a sensitive topic right I was very careful to try to go without any biases and um just want to say that in my favor and that in fact I was in a certain sense had had proclivities to this summer approach but after studying it and turning it over and speaking to people who are experts I've reached to personally a conclusion not like the saboro but let me first present his opinion he says the following he says that um the idea of this idea of the Oaths is that the belief and the belief it is a kind of miraculous Redemption that's going to happen after beneath saw this trouba is of such importance that taking steps that seem that suggest that we're going to replace a a miraculous Redemption with some sort of human Redemption biggest because our belief that Hashem is going to redeem us is Paramount it's so important so Central and therefore there's this great severity in in taking these kinds of steps that's his idea in a nutshell and it's a real nutshell because he wrote a whole favor about that but um um basically it's three parts Hashem has to do it not humans it has to happen after when they saw does truva so we can't try to do things beforehand and um has to happen through a Shia and not not otherwise so Perhaps Perhaps he'll address this but besides from mashiach which may also be subjective of the first two perhaps subjective what's called Hashem means what's called that it happens yes exactly uh he doesn't Define it in his Savory doesn't Define okay fine he reads that into a madrish whatever whatever you accept everything or not that something has to happen right there but as you pointed out he doesn't Define that that's a very tricky thing to Define I mean and I mentioned this in my in my safer and that um has a pack where he shows that in a certain in a certain sense every single thing that happened can be called Hashem did it that's the last paragraph because everything of the miracle whom everything is so what do you mean when he says doesn't Define that um okay so that's maybe it's undefined but but uh what's what's more tricky and you know if you're listening well to where I presented it it's such a subtle argument that the summer was making because see it's a principle of faith that Messiah will come and Accord that means the principle of faith that there will be a Redemption of a certain sort in the future which means then that there will not be an alternatively Redemption it will not happen okay because if you believe if you believe that believing in the coming of sheth in a certain way precludes other things happening like uh the nation going back that's all together like us going back there so before we do children like humans doing something instead of Hashem is doing something as difficult as that is to Define if you believe that that means that won't happen right so if that won't happen then what exactly are we doing wrong we're clearly not replacing it in other words whatever whatever we are doing whatever the Jewish nation has done when they establish a state let's say can not to be by definition it cannot be a replacement for what mercif is going to do Accord because he believes and not thank God that's it right so that he didn't do it so then how could you so what's the problem what's he doing wrong so it's very subtle his idea is that well if you're approaching it a certain way you're indicating that you don't believe Hashem will do it which becomes sort of weak argument because maybe I believe Hashem will do it but I want to do what I can you know and one of the things I discussed and I say for another sure let's say the way the realm of describes is going to gather everyone together rebuild the base and make this and he's going to bring about that all of bene's song plus teramitous now no one ever argued that someone is going to get engaging in kirov or not even kirov just engaging in and they can get in sir bashem more is usurping the role of mashiach because no that's what she asked job right Michelle is the one who's going to make everyone close touch it yeah Michelle will make everyone close touch him and Michelle will bring back Israel make this but to say that therefore any elements of that that are accessible to us today in our current state before we have that full Redemption of Russia to say that any elements of that are off limits because you're you're usurping the world of Messiah is a is a very strange argument it's a very hard it's almost untenable hard to say um and of course the degree of severity you know okay so fine one of them one of the belief system to say okay therefore Hashem will make us have like animals something doesn't add up something is still not fully explained so is there a counter approach or something in between that which I guess is how you'll understand or others based on others what the shell is yeah so that's what I want to get to I mean there's a lot more to talk about this Admiral but this armor approach um there's a lot of details a lot of specific questions I think I presented basically what it is and the main the core deficiency with the field is cautious on it but the core problem with working it out is is the point what I pointed at so it's fascinating that um the rambam indigo's team on actually indicates what the screws are about according to the random and like I said we don't find anyone that argues the Rams approach explains everything not just why this rules what the shoes are bad and why they're supposed to be but also the the cashmere and the sugar which we won't go into here but again I'll reference you to this urine um The Robin's approach is just so Illuminating and what's fascinating is that Samurai quotes the Secretary of statement on page one of the introduction to safer and yet doesn't take it there's lots of conclusion let me tell you what they guess what the robots is in the gas statement writes this letter to the Jews and Yemen who were persecuted and he's encouraging them until it's an amazing letter I don't have to do this at the end of the letter he warns against false Messiahs and the realm tells them that following you have to listen closely he says he says knew that um this nation beneath wrong is going to start at themselves out of Exile before the time and that therefore they would suffer for that therefore he made an oath as a muscle and said his batius so let's let's repeat that because you have to follow the logic because will stir and try to stir themselves bring themselves raise themselves out of regardless before it's the time and that they're going to suffer for that he warned them against that and made are there commercial saying his batyasu so what the ramama is saying is the reason why Benes are going to suffer when they try to get out of girls it's not because of the sure it's the opposite are going to try to get out of gas before the time and it's gonna it's gonna end up backfiring and they're gonna suffer so he warned them against it and said a martial let's get back to the point you're raising forward this Oaths are not even they're just emotional and he ends and he says my brothers in Yemen keep the oath and don't be murder the love at your deathbots so what the problem is saying is that is aware of a certain reality and once you start thinking about this realize yes this is so obvious there's a reality that the state the position of the Jewish people among the nations of the world is a very delicate and unstable position right because Here We Believe that one day mashiach will come and all the attendant glories that are going to come along with that okay which is why uh the Messianic idea it's dangerous it's revolutionary and of course it's threatening to the rest of the world so if we try to push for that before it's time and let me tell you before it's time you if it doesn't mean anything else with deck it means if we try to push through that before the world is ready for that you know what's going to happen anti-semitism they're going to hunt us down like game so the the gemara according to the rambam is reflective of some underlying truth a very important truth that we should never forget because see we tend to forget that because some people think no you know what if we're going towards as well and we're doing good things and we're rebuilding the basement Hashem is going to protect us everything's going to be fine hashem's gonna be on our side even though it looks so risky and even though according to maybe geopolitics it's a bad move it's a dangerous move and maybe the Jews are better off keeping a low profile exile for simple social and political reasons people might think no no you know Hashem wants us to do this we're going to Seattle and everything's gonna be fun that's what this tools teach us that you have to understand there's a right time at a wrong time and again that we have to be we're just repeating we don't mean a right time at a wrong time in some sort of esoteric sense you know you have to be able to read the the plans of Hashem the plans of Hashem are are are apparent to the reality and if the reality is such that according to logic according to basic political calculations the world will not take kindly to this kind of Jewish Independence then you better not push it as much as so that's why it's very we live with this tension because at the on the one hand of course we have to teach and talk about the fact that on the other hand War warns us don't underestimate how volatile how dangerous that could be and how volatile your your positions so that's in a nutshell I'm asking this question again well the question that I'm asking is from without learning this so you're listening even to your 28th serum on it according to the rambam is it also something which is subjective someone may say or I feel you know I feel you know now is the time so what I'm doing is based on I'm I'm in agreement with the Rama but I still feel according to my calculations now now the right time so here's the things that are really interesting I mean so basically according to Ramon the gamar is reflecting reality okay which reality again we are quite familiar with this reality right it's almost you almost don't even want to tell us this but that's why my point was telling us not to think that somehow we're we could transcend the basic facts of of being what it's like to be Jewish um that's to become I was warning us against so I mean why is it about a reality right so let's say a person would say as you suggested you know okay look it's 2020 to whatever or 1948 and I think things are different now okay and and he says look you know yes the most important casinos the most important thing in the world is Jewish blood and that's that's why this is the worst type of era because it's a cause of fascist and that's the consequential individuals the concentration of the nation yes makes perfect sense um so let's say a person you know looks at it that way um and he says you know now it's different right so that's not an invalid statement that's in and of itself because we're talking about realities and if you think the reality is such that it's safe you know let's talk about that the one issue a person might say well you know well hazal are teaching us something over here they're telling us maybe not to think this time is different maybe that's the point of issues right so you sort of have to figure out like what exactly because I mean as presenting in our God in a certain formal way right just say you know guys don't forget be careful okay I'm being careful this is Giver right but here we have this it's right into a pasok and it's written in a very formal way you know so what does that mean for Action this get this kind of question gets into very very complex issues such as you had to understand I got them um and whether we have to act according to our god in such a way I want to give you an example just the amazing thing that in Civ wrote a letter about in the early you know the end of the 19th century about the early settlement of uh so and this is just one approach really where he talks about um that we should be Miser we should wake up to the coil that's being heard from one end of the world to the other the coil of let's go back to us as well so obviously what he's saying is that yes there's a shua until as I mentioned before the magic says until you hear the voice from heaven but this is our Buddha so what's the voice from happening so the tip says I hear the voice from Heaven if benazewell is being desired to go back that's a voice from heaven so you know getting to your question of that's not is that that's not saying this time is different that's saying no there is a limit to the issue is which might mean until Hashem arouses us and there's a mass interest in that straw until you're a voice from Heaven which is interpretation means this kind of movement where all of a sudden Apple just talking about it's as well but it was laying dormant for a thousand years I have a theory that uh that would always be safe for the Cosby is like a voice from heaven I mean if you learn that safe friend his love for hits as well it comes out and that's a voice from Heaven that's uh you can call it perhaps and uh you know so so there's that gets very tricky how do you how do you apply but the point you're making is correct which is that once we're talking about reality here but realities change and of course you don't judge a reality based on a gamara you judge a political reality you judge based on the on the facts on the ground you might though get to that question of you know well like I said well if the gumar is putting this forth as a gamara are we supposed to you know are we supposed to just say well it's different so that's where we get something like the native it says no we're hearing the voice from Heaven There are sources that say that the sugars are only there for a thousand years sources in Kabbalah and this and there's also basis for them the mattress that's very complicated which by the way brings us to the time of Ruda Levy who basically called for a return test so it was the first one you first Define you'll find in literature saying in so many words how come we're not going back to ssro is in the end of the 11th century we got lady which is a thousand years after the corporate so that after this work yet too if you want to hear a little bit more about it because of that Levy um Elias are brought discussed it in an episode that we have on all daf before Tish above again like I said because he's a huge suggest and this whole city itself but he he brought it you know discussing bringing leading up to the legend right whether you know he actually came back to thrall and fell on her bias and got trampled on by yay by uh some Air Force Rider so he just got over there in one of the series of shroom I gave up on this topic and I was talking about read the latest call to go back to the sun someone said well you know but he went back and he got killed so what does that say about does that mean he was wrong it's an interesting question you know so I I didn't have as I knew it may not even be true but uh I I mentioned then that you know okay so it's the question how do you interpret that that Legend like what's the medrish of that story if it happens you know how do we understand it right and I'm sure which is not a topic for now exactly what is defined called going back like Russia says what exactly does that mean how are you over on the shoes I don't know if you want to get into that now so just one more question you tell me if you want to get into this or discuss you know with their times throughout history where the actual oath were violated I know that our majority should discussed this um I've heard from you um if you want to discuss either one of these days I just want to say a word about the first one so you said rash says together so you have a lot of storm a lot of literature about okay exactly what does it mean to to transgress the Oaths now after we have the rambam Miguel's team on that sort of becomes a moot point because you see the shoes are a broad idea and and there's six of them and they're basically about the same thing about our relationship with the Nations let's say don't rebel against the Nations right if the sugar is considering that the ramen I reflect sometimes and flashes then the question becomes what's dangerous and what's not dangerous okay the question is not well what technically is included in this term because this is not a lab device and it's not entrepreneur That was supposed to they were supposed to keep it by following the letter of the law there was no letter here it's an idea an idea is danger so then the answer to you know what exactly is considered transgressing that's not the right question the right question is what exactly is dangerous that's the most very important question right very very not to minimize that's why it's so severe it is the most severe thing in the world but we have to understand what the right questions are tests we're not supposed to approach this as the way we approach so that's very important I was mentioning that the Minsky guttle Our God also says that the shuists are are reflect this idea of danger and that has also the truth because it will be too dangerous to go back on mass and there's a letter from our mayor simcha where he says after the battlefield declaration since the nations are given permission so he says the fear of the shua says God which is also in the case that the shoe Israel they're about there's something scary here something dangerous if you have a little time should we get to the second question about the uh the history absolutely yes so I see we have around a half an hour on the clock so we certainly have a few more minutes um great okay so one reading in the measures as I said this as we've been started a lot of different interpretations of the truths how many there are and what they're referring to one reading in the measures is that the fourth mentions of the shuis in uh correspond to four times that they were transgressed and I want to talk about one of them so one of them is when the they left with time early and they fry him and I want to talk about the the last one that Metro says which is the days of my question so there was about Customer because there's a lot to learn from that the for for what the schuess means me the uh the back revolved against the Romans we're um of course rubikiva keep a thought and I'm presenting the rambam's presentation of the story that um rubikiva believed that Baker was and um and my mom says until Baker was killed and they knew that he wasn't Russia so and the problem explains says that there's basically if there's someone from base David who who Rises and wages warned Muhammad Hashem and he's succeeding then is if he succeeds at um as we mentioned earlier bring even a so back to Hashem Gathering them back to his soil building the business if not then he is I think is the expression he's like a good King but not much yeah fine and um Ram says that he was assumed I would give him until he was proven not to be because he was killed now here we go here the magic says that the the tremendous Bloodshed that occurred the Romans put down the revolt and and and tremendous killing that happened and Mountain Jews had died was an illustration of this punishment that would become hefter right now clearly did nothing more because you look at Allah if someone wages the words of Hashem says he should and if he succeeds then he's was she if not he's like a mathem [Music] but this is where everything happened according to Allah see people say oh made a mistake it's not true we keep it followed exactly what I'm saying where I was understanding though is to conserve him because until it's until proven otherwise which is why we keep it dead so everything happened according to halacha came back in the back of a Wars he did nothing wrong and yet the backlash the bloody backlash was is an illustration of what happens if you transcribe transgress the shoes which teaches us that transgression is sort of the wrong word we're not talking about anavera talking about a reality the reality is that Messianic aspirations are the most dangerous thing even though the halacha is that if someone is from the Chromebook meets your criteria he's supposed to wage towards and closely because yeah but if he's not if he doesn't succeed we're in big trouble that's what the school is reflect see because it's all about reality it's all about understanding the position of Monet Soul among among the Nations and and not overestimating not being overconfident and thinking no we could do this because Hashem is on our side you know we know it we'll know it through the reality we'll know it because the world will be ready for it and then we'll note the time so that's that's the rich it's right it's it's not a shallower idea then this number reading is actually much richer it relates to the midseus and understanding that Kaiser has a certain role in Destiny in the history of the world and that the other nations sort of know that and it's sort of a dangerous position to be in for them to know that you have to try to lay low some of the other Oaths even the oath the last one not to reveal the secret going to some morale prince in the meditation it's pretty compelling the metric it's that we're not supposed to reveal our secrets to the nations in general like they're not supposed to know the secret of what it is to be yet because it's it's a it's a volatile secret it's a dangerous Secret you're supposed to just have this low profile and wait but that's about being careful it's amazing we're sitting here and thank you very much a lot of what you said is fresh and new to me and hopefully to many people listening I was sitting here in 2022 um the beginning of uh end of October beginning of November you know what's going on in the world you know with the back and forth of you know certain celebrities saying things and then the backlash and it's amazing the things that are the same thing over and over foreign anything else do you want to close out with obviously again please check out the great sources podcast there are 28 episodes there on these topics and you should wear it to Scrolls if you look for season two of The Great I guess if you want to mention now what do you what have you done and what are you currently doing there's lots of things going on um the great source is dedicate to like major topics in nashik office so season one was different topics it's 50 sure on various topics inside this of ashkapha season two was about as well season three I'm going through fundamentals Farm went through the Cosby soon we're going to start the murder um at some point perhaps you covered I might have looked back a while ago which is also current the United parishes boracious right Korea Umbria Asylum and yeah yeah that's yeah I mean I have my other shroom on Hamish I give a weekly for Mr so that's it that's in another online series called the uh the secrets of Hamish and there's also another one called the the book of memories I think maybe the one you're referring to have a conversation the talmud of mine Nike Stone and there we spoke about creation that might be the one you're 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