Seforim on Hilchis Gittin and the Stories Behind Them

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sponsored anonymously thank you I've gotten feedback from around the globe that the word is anonymous not anonymous so this episode is sponsored anonymously as is brought Anthony also he's gotten feedback at the correct way to pronounce the safer he spoke about at the end of the last episode is so now that we got those they took him out of the way we can begin the episode anyway Brock's Gonna Fill Us in on some of these for him and at the end he's gonna have another surprise safer to talk about right how are you on this Arab shoppers and again this episode foreign and I hope to stay riveted to all the content and information you'll be sharing over the next 40 to 45 minutes okay so let's try to keep it to this time frame okay like this as we know when you're learning kitten so dafyami is deep into the Messiah already so we see this masakta it's full of a lot of it is actually involved with all types of scenarios of Gita what I mean to say is if you compare let's say to myself and it goes off on tangents and all different in Janam and that's why it's called transcanton kitten although it does have its tangents where it goes off to like the rest of shafts but there's plenty plenty statistically relating to get them so there's an area of gitin which is the halachas we spoke about the standards farm and we mentioned that it was it was a very learned she was part of the Yeshiva cycle but I want to explore more the special literature of these lilies Farm are only found in the kitten by these we only know about them and there's a lot of interesting stories relating to them now I actually started working on this a little bit a few years back when I was working on River frames Margolis at Mahone ad Haina thanks to Professor Morris Kahana and others and basically we're going to see the urban Farms Alma goes he wrote one of the most classical works on and we're going to discuss that and and through that we'll actually get to see more McLeod what's going on over here now in general the sources their hunt their in 1893 a bibliography was written by Aaron yelmak where he listed almost 100 works that are strictly relating to hillcr and we're going to see hillcr means as fouls get the means right after Allah and the second literature which some of this Farm only deal with that is the how to spell the names how to spell the names of the cities of the women and the men that are that you write in the gut so this sort of two types of literature okay now more recently there has been two published articles from riverfall krazer in the new Journal called mahilta volumes 2 and 4 which is based on his Masters written in Tel Aviv University which he which there has much more material today I'm going to add different things and also some of the things is was helped from inspiration from this friend of mine I think this is the first place someone's gonna hear a name crazier with a masters right the questions I know of all serious you xiaomi juice this year is a religious Israel and a governor and if you would see him you would never believe he has a masters from Tel Aviv so he fits with your profile of what you know about the crazers um okay anyway um like this so first we mentioned um now let's go like this as far as farm so we just to briefly recap one Makuta we mentioned that already in the times um he dedicated a complete work on part of it was printed a few years back from the kyrgies discoveries and it seems to have been a complete massive work just on hookers get them we also um we spoke about that briefly in the previous episode now fast forward we have Marshall the Mordecai so this the mardokai has been recently redone based on manuscripts most recently by Mahoney and this is everyone knows the Mordechai is a famous work in the world of Allah but these are this these are known works and of course the wishing him the rambam the tour and all these they have the Allah get the question is what am I referring to so like this we're going to be we begin the story with a work found quoted Often by the base yasif and from there most people never saw it but they're quoting the base of it's called kundrasin was published once in kushta somewhere between 1515 and 1518 extremely extremely rare today of course thanks to Mahoney and we have this work with footnotes it was reprinted in their hallitz which we'll discuss soon what challenges work in the name of this work and what is this work so Yari in his introduction to the the publishing of this faram in kushta has a whole discussion showing that it's interestingly enough that we think you go to schul today everyone's Shabbos it's full of giulianis what does that mean well Parish sheets everyone sending Parish sheets and whatever you go to certain places there could be hundreds I knew people that collected well various partial sheets they had collections of dozens of Parish streets that will come out weekly inert Israel anyway um so this is started much earlier and what you would do is they would publish small parts of a safer sort of like advertisement and put it in trolls Airship is going back when in the early 1500s a lot of these Works ended up getting lost and that's why some of them were called they have these funny names one such safer was a collection of material on Hillcrest we don't even know who the author is we don't know exactly when he's from but it seems that the base Yosef held that it's important enough and reliable enough he quotes it dozens of times in foreign but it's very rare and most of the Pisces can when they're relying when they're talking about it or using it they're using it based on the base series one piece that did have it was the get password which we're going to get to and Rebecca Margolis um in his which will also discuss the significance of this he had this rare work in his library now who authored it it's unclear um some one attributed to detachments okay the get posture says it's unclear it's a collection of materials um malamaisa it does not seem its attachments it refinance would have realized it's attachments um he didn't he was a big expert on these types of things and in the truva that he um has at least one of them he's dealing with he's dealing with a few pieces of attachments throughout there he would have mentioned that he thinks that this is the work of the titles anyway we don't know who it is anyway but the significance is that the base series is bringing this down and Hulk has given but only in hookers get them so here we can pause for a moment and and and backtrack with a with your site Professor Israel tashma many many years ago noticed something that in some way around the 1400s certain on certain topics work started coming out um Le Marshall on Mila Mila a word came out from a particular person and it's clear based on the work that this person wasn't but what was he he was an expert model so he wrote a work of all the allahas of Mila and it was even having tightness on other myelin and the point of the work was to create sort of a handbook touch my shows that that there were other such topics that the of the topic means they're not necessarily uh but a person who had a Kabbalah from Arabi or some sort of to that these are the proper Allah and he would write these down and publish it now the the so what happens is in certain there's such a thing and he's located in other areas such a type of thing so then it could be this couldn't this Heber might be a similar type of thing why am I mentioning this because some of these works that we're about to discuss we don't have from these people and almost anything else we don't know anything about them really but it turns out that most of the cases at least in hilcus Gittin they were the works that I'm going to be mentioning were noted not just an expert in obviously to be a Mayo although you have to be an expert in the mechanics of how to do the Mila you don't necessarily have to be it's not as big as a um a responsibility so to speak as hell but it could be Muslim will argue and this um okay now anyway like this in 1553 a small work was published from from the back of his jewelry it's called seder had yet now this rebudiments who dies at commanded 100 years old and 1509 was one of the Adar in his time and he wrote us he didn't write a lot of truvis but we know we know of him we know of many of his tamidam he's a I believe he's a Tomlin from the base membership in my real anyway he publishes a small safer and depth of he'll um say they're a gift he doesn't publish it but his his I think it's his grandson or someone when he publishes two of us and not even a lot of chuvas but they publish this small work and this is quoted because kitten by all the pie skin now it doesn't have suggest it's not suggest straight up halaka like come out like a kid what it is now recently and Aaron published it from manuscript but they don't tell you it's a little sloppy what they do they don't tell you that it's already in the 1553 edition of the work okay anyway but it's not a I would say it's not doesn't have the husband's font moving forward it was an important Source La Marshall for the Rama now this gets us to the next important work and this is perhaps the most important work written on Hillcrest this is from wrote what's called to say they're a get it's published by Mahoney's two volumes starting in 1993 it's been reissued a few times each time with additions and it has other materials in it relating to get them now what's the story with this basically is the Rama in all of the most is based on this Hebrew um from Rebecca Margolis but more than that in Simon after Simon which is we are getting ends something unique happens you find that the Rama sort of has a say there get a few pages where he has comments on this say that I get sort of like someone took all the 50s 40 50 sumatum of hilkas kitten and made a um like a kitsar of it of lamisa that's the bottom line because in chocolate so here it's more uh uh a manual of sorts and there are more comments on it and we're and right away you see the ARA inarak the printer added in this is based on this is to say that again of this Rebecca of Margolis which Rama has been quoting and now so it's obviously very important if drama is using this work as his main khibor through his main source in now we don't find it's interesting though so we don't find anywhere else in Ark that we've that some that the Rama does such a thing that like after a bunch of samanim he brings a kitsu of whatever whatever safer would be okay but this is because the complexity of Hilton and all the details that needed a Hands-On thing and it was very common what do I mean to say very common is that people have this thing that getting was not so is not so negated it's sort of more that it's taboo to talk about getting but gipton was very relevant and it's very much more common than people realize recently I came across an article from Israel Yuval an expert of the the period of time uh generation a few Generations before the Rama showing that in that period of time and it's going to play out what we're going to be discussing later on that there were many many get them being written and he's even trying to understand why he has theories behind that but get them was it was a it was a date it doesn't mean that every person but it happened much more than people realized just to see in more recent times in the in the 1800s there's a fascinating book called Jewish marriage and divorce in Imperial Russia from from a woman freeze um and this is a fascinating book which has a ton of documented archive information showing how prevalent kitten was much more than people realize okay now but returning back to the so now that's why there are more it's a very important thing in Rama makes a big deal and sums it up and because it has a lot of details but it's back to the Serbia of Margolis um they were talking about so Bianca Margolis if you go even more than this there are ma we know today we take this we take this for granted you want to understand the Rama what do you do you open up your dark name Maisha where my friends writes if you want to understand the Rama the first place you have to do is the archa Maisha problem is Maisha on evaneser people don't know this the first time the complete Maisha was published was by Mahoney a few years back now but if you open up to the tour the dark in Maisha the in this in the 1702 they have a kitsudark emotion that's what they have from 1702 which is ironic 1570s has published is first published 1702 how many years is that almost 130 years but even that it's only a kisser tilt today on evanes it's the same it's a similar stories with the rest of and I can discuss it right now but what we see over there is now if you want to find out a little bit about this normally you look in the beginning of the volumes of the tour of this you have to look in the back of the values okay anyway point is like this everything he is the man so to speak in hilcus get them who is he says they're going to have an intro um in the next volume just as I can say the thing that they promise um in various Farms that they publish that they're going to put out a um an introduction it helps them buy time the second volume came out and it's been reprinted a few times and they've yet to put out an introduction of who this Rebecca Margolis is now luckily I have a copy over here there's a there's a lady in 1978 sipora broxson wrote a masters in barilan all about Israel Margolis before Mahoney Islam even published his work showing him to be a tremendous Adam gobble at the time um and just to mention very briefly we know him to be a tremendous in historical work of his the Rama he brings him down as one of the guidelum and makes sense because Rama as we just said it bases all of hookers getting off this person anyway he dies in 1501 so it means this is the Ben diary of the merriments that we quoted earlier um he has a few different sons and um the suns are involved with the public they're involved with the publishing of this Hebrew of his giten which remains a manuscript most of it ends up remaining a manuscript until the 1980s but it was preserved and used and discussed because the Rama took it and used it throughout his Works anyway um who he is he's involved with the controversy which perhaps we might have an episode of masakta's kadushan a very big controversy um we might and therefore we might dig deeper into his background but it's very interesting to see we know him to be a tremendous album God though we don't exactly even know who his that's also Up For Debate okay anyway there's a um be that as a maid he was the person um this quotes of the delum of the time how they call him Mom just to quote one such quote uh who I am the going Bismarck this is what one of these writes about him and there's other such quotes to say that he was not just he knew he'll just get them okay anyway another important work is the amsaima who also brings down but the problem is also dying in the 1570s when is his work on and get them published for the first time 1761. so the two great Superstars the Rahman telling you is that Kim Maisha takes forever told says published the martial who's the basically the dailym his work also takes forever until he gets published interestingly enough where was this this was in this savior was in the library of Rubio who's famous for being possibly the rebbe of the maganav rum someone that I devote two in a in a podcast that I hope to release soon um about the library of the darkness two episodes and I speak a little bit about this this was found we're in the library of the mooncatcher now Lamesa teams the piscum had the Senpai skin early on had the salviar of the Amish they were able to use it fine I'm Khan um Marshall now let's move forward what was Lamesa out there for someone in the in the let's in 1611 Lublin there's a work published this is a person who's a talmud of the martial and the Rama it's a Persian common she's possibly brother the martial in parashati all of a sudden you find he has on the possible crisis he says so basically he has a list of days of all the names because it's getting how to spell the names this work becomes the go-to safer now the martial is not out as I said the Dr moisture is not completely out it just has to say it again so the safer taka becomes very important it's been recently reissued in a Edition from Rabbi Krieger and a noted expert on Russian in the back they have a safer of his on um different aspects of Allah I'm very short safer but it's quoted a lot by different um some early on okay fine moving on we have ramesha mints also a bandara early person from the 1415. he dies in 1480 similarities in the same and he has a Heber on giten but that's only published in 1616 and the pie is going to seem to have it he's a talented from a sedation and reissued this another important work that makes major breakthrough in is a safer called safer shame ice Shea mice I believe it's called and it's who's the author simcha IM now is um we will the the the actually the footnoter the person who edited it was her my zakut and it's printed in 1657 and basically this is an encyclopedia names and incredible amounts of information but again he doesn't deal with all her husband he's also dealing with how to spell the names um now in already in the introduction he in the in the shower of the Savior says make sure to read my introduction and the reason is is because he he leads a campaign against that people were charging for writing a debt and he he leads a campaign with macaris that you should not charge for writing a gift anyway um this safer becomes one of the most important foreign now in the we will return to this work soon because there's a key point in what some of his sources were moving on is to say foreign wants to read about him you can read about him and Yeshiva Rama bifiarda from Rabbi hamburger the kids are this work is published in 1667 1668. it's a few volumes all everything you need to know about All hilkash Stars a massive amount of material is related to every aspect of a gift had to write it and how to spell it and the names also based on wealth of sources a Madura bastard of this is printed in 1681 truvis of his is 1692. now even in this work there are other halachas and which is already using his work it's very important stuff relating to menhog and this speak basically becomes the most important work for All Stars kadushan SUVs everything this is the go-to safe for all the pies can handle with it okay like everything else in recent years a new beautiful Edition comes out three volumes which has in it manuscript information the all the additions of the safer 400 guys of the of the Shalom Asia from some obscure edition of it with new um footnotes explaining many of his sources and nutras from saviad the kids are far this is this also becomes in this in this forum a important work on Hillcrest and the price can use it okay now so these are the various works that are specifically we just mentioned a lot of them were just specifically about hookers get them is only published way after he dies in 1754 is when it's first published so this is not at least until 1754 it's not as important work out there is an evaneser everyone knows is not real it's not even on the side it's on the two sides you have to look further down who are the the perusum on this okay so we know part of it is tremendous and he dies in 1658 his Hebrew is published by his son 1670 he was written very bekit sir now what's interesting is like this in Simmons he gets up to basically test so a large amount of gipton is not dealt by him he didn't write about it um now but he did have the Hebrew margolas that we mentioned earlier and uses a lot far now what's interesting is like this in the standard um when they printed the helicus so it stops at Simon kuchov test as far as a parish but then at cufflund all of a sudden you find another say there I get we said that if you open up an artist there's another say there again and it says it's from Krakow I'll say that I get from him and this is published in the same time as the 1670. what happens is the sun he meets this and they make up you know oh my father's work doesn't finish and you're about to print your work so he this whole son gives him his father's work on guten and it's published in Partnership you'll find after the Margolis is the same is the hill because we don't have anything else but we know he was on the best because of money concern turns the only a kisser of the work was published and only recently in the past 25 years 30 years whatever it is home published a complete work based on manuscripts now earlier on it seems in 1861 the the complete work is called a complete work was published with huskanos of great the Dylan such as exam cipherb and Cipher yeah but not complete that's right in 1983 rehearsal Publishers are based on manuscripts so this is another thorough work of agodo only we only have on Hillcroft but that's not as much focusing on names okay you say now we go on to who's the other nice Acadia that everyone knows born in 1640 dies in 1698 a talmud of who the rubber of heschel who was definitely not a rebel the way before Rebus but we call him the rubber of hesho anyway if one wants to read about him a fascinating chapter um there's not so much known about him a hamburger in his clan in his beautiful work out of page 227 and onwards has a nice amount of information about this great goggle well everyone knows in evanes or you can't move without the base move anyway in 1689 he publishes his work the first time then he becomes your Shiva in the ear for yardah and then in 1694 he reissues the work within five years what's going on why is he reintroducing a new Madura of his work seems is and he writers since academa that he um first he got a Yeshiva so he was now able to learn with bahram so I guess he was learning with tamidam we spoke this out with the mashallah Marshall he's very mocked to write on things that he had to tell me them anyway basically is he gets the saviada of who the Taz which we said was only published in the 1700s but he gets access to it so we know the times also he gets a safer Shameless of repsimha so it's very important to Phil let's get them so therefore we find when you get to Simmons you're after Simmons you open up your standard chokhana all the sudden it's a list of names and how to spell names of the base small and this is what the placekin this is the alephase in hillcresten when you're talking about how to spell names all comes from here and he says he writes what happened I got a hold of um this is why you have to reissue it fine now just to go very briefly um um to a few more sperm and then we'll understand we get to some understanding behind what's going on over here number one is does it get pashuth someone wrote that I didn't discuss this work in the in the previous episode on this farm and exactly because it's going to deal with it over here this becomes also one of the most important works on hookers um put out a nice addition by Mahoney and he this is it was done by this he's famous for being the author of The capistrua and other swarmovies who publishes it the author of the mom lawyers rebiakov Kuli he does we have even had this keyboard it's incredibly by Rico's unbelievable information and even Live accounts of people of development that he had access to beforehand and he writes another word called azer's nation which is more focused on the names spelling of the names as he said because that's another aspect of there's another tremendous going which lamdanum loved the safer from abilio alfandry where to say for Mr milio 1723 with amcus then you have 1747 this safer has not really been picked up by most it's been the son-in-law of the maganavra what's the hashiva's for me if the safer is he had excavator the Magna of RAM and shenos and ashram so here we have sakum in evaneser of the magnavram on this topic okay does it say forget my kusher from a refillable 1766. recently this is a thousand page volume where he's handling the Eon into all aspects of hillcrestin there's another get makusha from levonne who um in 1785 he's the rabbit which is going very being on the get pashu as I said the get Pasha becomes one of the go-to's farm a lot of high school that's all they had the Marshall is safer we quoted all the way in the beginning the um that the base Asif uses called kundrasen so who had it he the guy should hand it and the pieskin have used him also another early safer called getma kusher obviously it's um there's a ventures Farm on the receptacle he's focusing more on the state of Verma Hall that we mentioned earlier okay then 1813 that we spoke about um a little bit before as the Taurus get in and it's published right away in 1820 it's also on the message until we get to this is basically we're up to 1813 and we've already listed many many's Farm on the halachas that people had so I want to give I brought a chance to breathe the terrorist giving you just mentioned is not going to see if it's a third shifting I'm assuming there's another one that was it okay yeah okay wait what were you threw in the center law of the maganav rum just give me give me one 30 seconds on him and the father that he does that he threw in is a different project but his name is and he dies in 1760. we don't have so much from him but it seems he's one of the main rabbaim of the I think I even saw an auction that they had um uh maybe a um something of his or if he does with notes of his or something um recently but anyway um what's important is that you seem to get postured which is only printed in 1719 so he's the bench right after they get postured and you see how much he's being um mind making that safer but as far as the mug enough rums son-in-law this is a different thing um one day hopefully we'll we'll discuss it more at length but the point that I was all of a sudden when I saw it a few years back is like the Morgan of RAM on Hillcrest ever met in it relating so that was what was fascinating just like obviously we've discussed in the past I have a special keyboard to the Morgan of rum so I just have to throw it out there is his son-in-law mentioned at all in the mug in our room is he quoted no no no but he's a Tomlin but he is a talmud of the magana from okay now now here from this point in the next few minutes we're gonna now try to be more mimic and to understand this story what's going on and what's the sources um um to liven this up just not so much not as much bibliography in the stories like this basically in the past I've mentioned a few times the zeid river finds out my goals we were friends on Margolis um born in 1760 and dies in 1828. now he wasn't a rough he was a balabas in the city of bride which was a big city in the time in Galicia but he was not he wasn't just time about Abbas he was someone that had to do with he was very wealthy but he had to do with all the daily haddar of both Generations we can say of the ready at the age of as a teenager 1516 he's in contact with such as numerous times and others and then people closer to his age such as and many others has very very close relationships with them spanning years and years such as some Cipher and others now but besides for having to do with Largo de Lim he wrote a ton and not only did he write it on he became a noted expert in many different areas in Cairo One such area was the area of evaneser in general he authored dozens of Troopers he was noted as a Guna expert had he become a gun expertise only is because he they see that you have what to say and it's good and all of them are Consulting you we have many many of these two of us he published them in his lifetime now but besides this he was besides her being in evaneser he was an extra expert in hookers getting offering dozens and choovers on the city of Philadelphia but even more than that he wrote a safer on to cultivate them and basically what happens is like this in 1819 he has a relative of his thought to work on it to play Maisha who we'll discuss about a little bit in the in the episode on this pharmaceutical condition well Maison not too much comes out but 1822 he finishes publishing the whole work with friends on my goals on YouTube and we're going to discuss in a moment what it is um um we see that this safer from this once the safer comes out on hillcr it's the go-to safer even even though they're we're gonna list still there are plenty more svarum in what it's trying to do in Hills getting which is like this basically we mentioned there's the there's an encyclopedia which the base shmuel using the early sources of how to spell all the names but of men and women but there's also cities how to spell cities and all these things so this is this is an encyclopedia how to spell name so you'll say big deal spelling who cares when you see the knowledge that's used to get to the conclusions that's already what's happening in the the Marshall and some of the earlier works most notably in the safer shame ice of what they're using for their sources and how to spell the name and Amir Hashem and one of the next coming up episodes we're going to see how the spelling of a name caused the ganza Tomo how do you spell a name and then it passes again possibly and we're going to see a little bit about that right now so but basically what happens is once super finds out Margolis publishes the safest the go-to station how do I know this lamasho we now have notes of various soccer of the pink from the pinkas the president of contemporary of a bikini many of the sacraments is based on what the Hebrew ever before as far as London as far as in London we have the the chief Rabbi Herschel who's who's really a son of rotv Levine basically he's the brother of the famous show live in the summit but he was the hash of arav for 40 years out in London his resident when they used to consult when they had difficulties who did they Consultants we have now um the second they weren't published mostly but we have the um we have the pink assim of these peasants still exists you look in the chubas farm of lutfish such as the pardes remaining the reviews and we can list on endlessly we have rahmanas over here but you see the the hashivas that this safer plays out in the world of halacha once it comes on the scene and we're going to see I'm going to try to explain why that is so even also also uses this work okay but the question is what's so unique about this work that makes it become so special and so accepted so really we have to go backwards and this is what to get up to to understanding what's going on with all these Farms what are the sources for for this safer and a lot of the sparm beforehand solo Marshall to give an example if I could find it hold on but that's always the problem in this room okay so we have we mentioned Robin he writes the one of the most hash of asparam on get of the shames what's his sources so he writes in his agama that basically he got different giten early of giten that he that he Tracked Down he got from different people he lists some of them and then he says the Marshall the domestic Eliezer one of the great pieskin in the 1640s we didn't even we don't have it but somehow he got the Heber of the domestic Matana when he passed by his City he gave it to the safer he gave it to this so now he uses it throughout the work so basically what I'm saying is he's using manuscripts of early documents of early kitten that he collected then he even says a sad story there was a certain guadal of who passed by the city and on his way there it's Israel and he wasn't even to be macavo player because what happens the boat came on Chavez in the year this is um about 16 uh on second it's about 16. 55 something like that and he dies on the boat so you couldn't even see this goggle but afterwards they were selling the swarim of this godo any this God will description he has had a conscious of Sheamus of the martial Hills so he was able to buy it so he got early manuscripts of great kadai Lim and that's what he was a prime source for his and then he lists out a few other his figure that he got from different collections so besides for going through the sugya from all the relative passable ways how to figure out how to spell the name he now got a ton of manuscripts this is the safer Shameless turns out when we go back to Arabia Margolis so he's right after the generation of my real he also got tons of different documents of get them and when you look at Robert Francis Al Margolis refinance besides for having this massive Farm collection and using all these rear svarum he also had numerous numerous documents of manuscripts of gitim and this is how they were able to pass skin because they were using this collection now this brings up the following issues number one is is that does Allah by get that some it's brought down at least he's supposed to rip to get afterwards why that's a different discussion another deal is is so there's a there's a there's an early Heber which is sort of like riddles and um from it's called um I think safer khazan and basically says they watch something that this man of khazal was also on shamas but nowadays it's mother answer or get on Shabbos it's no longer why not so if you look in the dakimaisha and the pie scheme in evaneser and the magnavram in shinzian because a get has what I'm now telling you you could learn halachas from the gift so although at one point they used to destroy the get at a certain point in time they realize that we need to keep the Kitten around because this is a way to have Hands-On documentation how to write a gift now we're going to explain in a minute what change that all of a sudden needs this documentation even but it seems from somewhere around the Times in my room yet started to be saved we see this and there's all different sources crazier documents this also in his in his in his Masters the my real when you're training a RAV you want to have real documentation you want to be able to see with your eyes what it is now I mentioned in the Sheeran kitten that the minskado was a tutor came to teach his kid and any in the first two weeks the the kids didn't know anything what's going on so so what happened the the tutor said all of a sudden then after the third week they start knowing the whole story that once they start to understand that when you begin getting what's a star and all the suck him and everything it changes the met the one of the missions of the um Rabbi schwade in starting La Marshall and this thing that we're doing over here speaking is and he did this in various episodes where he has episodes with Russia and they're learning um how to make matzus and all different aspects and Marshall more recently for naziri futarity Israel went to the hospitals to see what live all the shyles you could hear it but when Aina so what's happening is the mission of one of the many missions of Olaf which is trying to make it Lamesa that practical that people could see it which they're about to release from our understand worldoff is about to release a cipher writing a get so this is the my real already realize it and they started keeping it interestingly enough the yes if I missed as a passage from the Ace of famous I heard this a while ago from this fall Crazer um he talks about burning before pesach all the different documentation in the bezden because they had all these different sucking yeah too much basically like to keep the records you know so in nowadays people um academics would what someone was destroying all these documentation you know what worlds could be built from all these from from all this and Lamesa Lamesa some of it did survive and La Marshall rubber Farms they used it they got it they tracked it down and this is what helped them further get them I don't know if this is an old minute and connected to what you're talking about but I know the local best in here after they write a get and they give they get the husband gives the get to the to the woman the president takes back the get they write some kind of fire that they get was given and they keep the get right that's all related to this so yeah it's related to all this um topic if one goes into the outer's life yes exactly but the point is there's so much to know so in order to be a RAV in these suggests you have to have not only did you have to know all the svarum and all the makias how they figure they how do they know these names they had them they had a kiss in midrashem in every way a name is spelled in different places and we're gonna see more I'm going to illustrate more amazing in the next episode but the point is that at this point in time in his Library he had a crazy Farm Library he had manuscripts he had manuscripts of getting okay and this is what helps helped him reach to make this like encyclopedia work that even afterwards this became it Remains the go-to safer man the my real it turns out we find that in recent materials with my real family they were learning um the kale about the based on me about the Michigan and everything it seems they would show diagrams and make diagrams to see because that's what I'm saying I'm extending this token I'm standing there that's why I changed that a get is no longer muksa says it's based on many macarons we're not going to go into all the details of all the macaros now what happens what changed what makes it so complicated why do they start having to keep names it basically is obviously what I'm about to say is in one minute but each one is hours of is basically the history of two names when this happens cities how to spell it all these pulmerson that they didn't have they can't go okay let me open up the rambam how to spell Krakow The Ramones not gonna help you so you needed to have all this information and La Marshall by the time you get server finds out my goals in the 1800s he has who knows how much okay now just understand and um oppenheim it's very sad but David oppenheim had one of the most incredible Farm libraries before ever framesama goals and we find that he used to collect all these types of materials also and an archuva of getting that was only published very recently we see how does he he uses dozens of manuscripts that he has from the Serbia Margolis from The Truman sedation which was only printed in uh an hour Century um he has from the schlaw he has all different documents and and different ways how to trace how to spell names he had it in his library but sadly not everyone had access to the library and even he didn't always have access to the library and his tuba safer and his farm were never really published so couldn't have the impact on the world whereas he luckily did publish his materials and he listed out the manuscripts that he had an abdominal safer and more throughout the work CC and he's using print unbelievable he's using manuscripts unbelievable throughout the work now just to be um we're getting closer to the end I I have rahmanas over here it's close to Shabbos also is like this dear first of all the night and and this is what was fascinating the sugary of names so at one point I come across the ministry Godly we just mentioned says something about the people when they talk about names they make up all different things I don't understand what he's he doesn't he's not that type to write sort of very sharp about it but anyway it turns out I'm going through the materials of CR of this River Fall crazy he points to a true a fascinating discussion there was a a RAV in a city in Europe called pilots and they it's near Krakow basically it's a Rob Deer and they have to write a get bad luck for this rub is there was four talmudim of the Huda in this city at the time and they start telling this rock they write to know you that they don't understand how in the world is this guy right again because it seems it was a very big problem how to write a get in said City and what do they do they would go to a different city because it was a problem so so then so first that's fascinating is letting me who do you see busy man that he was one of the daily Adar which we hope to discuss about him in one of the future episodes relating to Poland so he says Ms I'm going to write to you about this discussion that you're bringing you up okay turns out that when when the again the name Beholder when he is handling this he also talks about seeing old get them from all places and that they have and how to spell the name and different names and what he saw of different fascinating even though basically what I'm trying to say is that a certain one time getting is based on uh um research you have to have documentation of manuscripts okay anyway in the course of this discussion turns out that Nunu says this RAV seems to know his stuff even though um based on the correspondence that they have about him and he comes up it says the get could be good in this particular City I know get was written what do you got to do basically you write a gift and you say a name and every day in a month in all the shoes you have to announce that this is the name and your quivea now that this is the name in the city so I suspect is when the when the menstrual Brothers saw this too but where in the world does that mean to come up with making up such an accudence remember obviously he tries to explain where he's coming from but there's no early mercuris that you can start being crazy name and all the shioram and how to do it but tonight we know from the acquaintance that we have in the world of he was able to do this because some Cipher interestingly enough says that this heat creates based on this magnitude that a city that doesn't have a name you're not allowed to you can't make it sort of like a takana he learns a chat into this that if there never was a name a get written in this city you cannot there's nothing to do about it okay fine anyway um just to get to the end over here is like this so we're finding my goal is he becomes the go-to safer you see even a copy that some Cipher in the door in that door there was a yid a RAV in a city in past in um Hungary eventually comes part of Budapest but at that time it was a small City also they had a Dean had a ride to get so this Rob writes all true to find salmon in any tumbling about the kitten that he heard it just came out and you see a fascinating chuva and the ideas of a refined zombie and even this rub about it interestingly enough this rub and trying to explain why he's reaching his conclusions he says he wrote to the samsifer but he wants to say whatever fine Zalman says refines writes pages on the topic and we're friends almond the interesting this RAV he quotes Mendelson in this conversation which is a fascinating idea of baklau um um anyway point is writes in his safer one of the nakudas what caused him to write his Hebrew is because what happens is is that the um people they did it a lot of cities let's say this city that the United were nuts about it could be hookers or you'd like a refined salmon or a dragon before they could have figured out how to write to get for this city but they didn't want to why didn't they want to because they didn't want a horva to come and hook us get them that every every Bianca Barrel is going to say oh I could write a gift they wanted to keep it in the hands of them so before says that's why he did his major research and that's why he did and when my said this is how it became the scoble mama even before he dies it comes to go to safer and that's how we'll conclude very quickly with the rest about this lamasho 1836 the piscuit you open up he's using River Farms so much so that a few that in 1863 and five times afterwards is pulled out of the hillcruva which we're going to discuss Amrita Sherman one of the upcoming episodes around the significance of this keyboard bottom line is it is published with a with even with this now we have as you're a Sansa as you like to pride yourself being a Sansa right Nicole we have to discuss 1864. part of this keeper is built off the basement and part of it is based on Horizon reference Ten Years Later 14 years later 1878 publishes his keyboard This safer eventually causes a promise because it seems the hasidim of the Moon of the sansers did not like um some of the things that he said in there this is a whole controversy we're not going to get into right now and now just to list in two minutes a bunch of other hiburim so that way no one will have because otherwise it's going to be tightness to me like this number one 1890 you have the kavanaki a tremendous very much remarked horror with the rabbit Frankfurt San Luis publishes an 1891 an important manuscript the state Hemet puts out a massive work on hilchus Gittin in his collection 1891 he died in 1905. 1905 puts out a massive work on all vehicles getting including the names kedarka it's unbelievable to see how he goes through the suggest everything about him this becomes a key work in the world of Marshall saves the Quran recently came out called save as a car and playing Maisha the back they printed materials about a Pumas in Atlanta this was just recently had a whole show with the person who published this whole fascinating Hebrew and you see the hashivas one of the things they're bringing is just came out and the handling had a passage in the getting controversy that erupted in Atlanta okay fast forward we have Rebellion 1906 the safer called aslage okay 1965 the Hebrew from saviar the Prima Gotham comes in interestingly enough he talks about if aroshadas won't karate yet we're handling if you could learn Chavez was talking about it right now as the clock ticks but kit sir the national Shiva has all discussion about it brings that if you look in my Hebrew of the friend of the Duke my friend the Duke 2K cipherim he has a saviad of a get early on and it says they wrote together so the Prima Gotham handles the Shiloh in this Hebrew that's published for manuscript 1965 by rev lighter and he aft Balo mice even though he says you shouldn't but then he writes he records again that he had to do on our shops anyway we have all different Calum out there all different swarm out there in our days um besides the fascinating work has published Harry Kevin published from the maharash leblind we have ramesha materials even recently has come out from ramesha supposedly rev Hank in these materials but whole nights are posting which is his own fascinating story which we're not going to get into in no time and rev gertner put out a book on Kia Saget the kids are it's endless it's um the safe this topic goes on and on and on Barak Hashem for everyone at least all the listeners that I have Shabbos coming so we can't continue but this is the story at Amir tashem to end off we're going to see the hashivas of the safer in one of the next promotion that we're going to discuss how they played out even more on the story wow okay thank you very very much okay but now but I have to just mention one last in the Kudo because this relates to both how me and Rabbi schwade how we pronounce things and this plays out over here we're fighting is on my goal this brings up how could you bring riots from different things so sometimes they'll say oh you're looking this and they're safer and I'll see how it's spelled okay then he says no maybe it's a printing mistake a lot of times it's a printer printed you can't bring a ride to the goggle said it that's why manuscripts is much more helpful because it's again and it's okay fine now turns out this is not just a joke I came across a story it's a known story everyone heard it at some point some listen to the story but kids are behind the legend writes a letter to his daughter and a city leader she lives in leader and her name was hasya I believe um just as a man once I'm quoting something I might as well quote it right she um uh her name was okay cancer he wrote her a letter how you doing whatever then he he calls back to schlier come back and he changes to make sure he spelled it right and then whatever okay so it turns out many years later someone there was a get with the lady this name and the kids are the difference twice in the story was like this why they're crying relation called him back because he wanted to he knew that someone might end up using his letter to see how he refers to spelling his daughter his name it says a documented story interestingly enough I start looking on the Internet is there such a daughter so here's where you have to know just because Wikipedia says there's no such daughter does not mean it's true Mark Hashem three o'clock in the morning I email a friend of mine to help I don't have time to look into all the different topics about this the clock is ticking to prepare this year he finds for me for my mcleaners yes she did exist she was real she's a child she and and the story there's definitely Cyrus about it now what's this why am I mentioning the story turns out that the martial and the Marshall had the Marshall was known for being very sharp and yeah the whole his jakas of the Rama is against and the point in this is that one time he writes the Rama you know letters and whatever because brings up you have to be careful because from letters for Hillcrest see I'm always very careful says the martial Ramon says no he wasn't so now I'm giving a limous as I've said this many times we're holding almost by episode 50. I say things wrong right and left I'm not claiming to be anything like duramar but in this thing I have the Ramones that you have to pass in hell is and I'm saying the favorite you can never ever be Madame and how I say a word I have terrible abilities in reading and saying the names right now that goes as a limous for me I'm not the martial what could I say and it plays out obviously you should not be saying how I would write names okay anyway that was to conclude okay wonderful and excellent we brought is there anyone who has a museum where they collect get them there's got to be people out there who collect get them throughout the generations I I'll tell you I I can't believe that the reason I did check already that on auctions they do sell them and there must be that there's someone that does this but it didn't come across them yet I just only got into this proud of the sugio in the past few days so I didn't have a chance to see but I imagine there is flat maybe now there will be I think we have to talk to everybody he probably wouldn't know I did not have a chance to call okay wonderful since it's almost Shabbos um I actually I took some notes I was trying to keep track of all the different storms that you mentioned and people could see my uh my thing over here and I gave up like halfway through so that's uh that's for that um let's get to the safer that you're pulling off the shelf we've done quite a few of them already we've done a tallest Adam from from the removing my goal list we've done schmabbini which is more of a current safer from the Russian in Miami we've done we've done on the first volume of the VM we've done what do we have on tap today we have it's called famous most important most famous works a new addition that comes out from Iraqi display Brock that's is wrong so you're getting involved with it you could learn America you should learn about him is that today as they say you gotta ask your local pasig if you should learn when you should learn it I mean it's Hashem I hope to deal with it in at least in the as far as the basement it was much more positive than people think but kids are this fellow is a team of people they put out one volume of supposed to be five volumes so my high the kids are in the World At Large right now it's been Marine welcome is becoming a very it's been coming back a lot of people have been learning it there's new additions about it and from publishing houses I've been publishing and this is yet coming it's distributed by one of the most from Farm Store distributors in our Trail you feynoff it's coming out from benebra by from you then I believe the main person live learns in panovich um anyway the kids are this what's the significance is it collected many of the mafarshim on the Martin Luther King that were either a manuscript or very hard to find and you did uh use manuscript information it has a safer Master similar to the Franco rambam of where people handle the rambam and it has unbeknownst to most people the Rama gave Shear we have the hagais in this Edition also learned this Beyond also in here the kids are it's a it's a very important work when one month if one is interested in learning to have with all the different parashanim um perishes and here complete edition it seems older earlier editions missing lots of Parts they have it it's gonna be five volumes not gonna be a cheap thing but a couple this is something to mention it's brand new um on the market thank you okay this episode was fascinating Rabbi brought didn't breathe much during this episode and the first place as I was cutting out the name as I was cutting out the material what could we do unbelievable unbelievable the matters foreign topic with cities and I'm sure there's so much to talk about like you brought up a drop when you get to names that are not Russian Kurdish names you talk about cities and rivers and exactly it's unbelievable so Madame Shameless life and this this is something which really works with the Messiah this is something which has to be handed down you know sure column and framework had to do names and that's interesting also right there are certain cities and places they don't right get them there because I'm not having a Sarah you know how to spell the names and they don't know which lakes are considered lakes that are around that City you know I think that was part of the Atlanta tumult but the lake but the river that was that part near Atlanta part of Atlanta yes that was all part of it okay so thank you very much have a wonderful Sabbath we'll see you on the other side