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Sefer Shoneh Halachos II: Rav Chaim's Seforim Explored with Rabbi Dr. Eliezer Brodt (Part 7)
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welcome back once again rabbi dr eliezer
broth thank you so much
for joining us for shayna hallaches
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rahul okay let's start with
an email that we got
commenting on the recent shaina halakis
discussion
and the person
he wanted to make a macha protest about
what was mentioned by cairo we were
discussing
forgetting
and
rabbi eliezer could discuss how he
already discussed this in a previous
episode
um a letter from the rambam
but this person wasn't happy with the
way
we mentioned that objective cairo
perhaps forget is that to imply memory
loss and such a figure is improper so
well do you want to respond to that
right off the top
yes so i will just mention one thing um
for this for this question it's a very
valid question
the quote that i brought about um
possible for forgetting or changing of
the mind of the base yosef was from
smoothie tau from
vital his father
great
contemporary younger contemporary of the
invasive cairo
but um just to put in context i said
would even though i'm trying to avoid
going in tangents and tangents and
tangents just one
macar relating specifically to a base of
cairo
and that is that um the basis is as it
was very well known schwarz is coming
coming upon us faster than we realize
had a maggot and that everyone knows we
see one of the things we stay up on
truest night is the whole story with the
best and his market so
however the maggot works
but um anyway in shock it says bottom
line that in rosh hashanah one should
eat meat on rosh hashanah okay makes
sense it's
ezra
the maggot of the best if it says
interesting thing do not eat meat so
acronym already point out what's going
on here how could he forget an
open pasta in ezra furthermore it's a
gemara cooler than a missionary is also
says one of the four times a year that
we checked and you have to eat meat is
rosh hashanah so what's shot that the
maggot said something against gemara now
about the steroid between the maggid and
the basiosif is its own discussion
that's a tangent of tangent tangent
tangent but just for our purposes is a
shocking statement to some is found in
the radar of david luria and the safer
maimer cadmus
where you heard from rokhain velajner
and to preface this rokhan villager knew
very well about mageedum he had
conversations with his rebbe the guru
about maggie them more than once he
quotes the manga of the best of a few
times in his life
and he was known great mukubo so he
doesn't need any s commas from us he
says the following about the best
and about this topic
is
and it triggered that the maggot gave
him false information
and for because there was riffian and
khazara in the basic at the time when
this
thing came that this statement came down
and through the market through him now
might sound very shocking you're kind of
larger saying this but in in kabbalah
macarius such as umashi kardavaru
rakhindital and others they also say
this when they're talking about mageed
without getting into any more what we
see over here is that kind of legendary
saying there's a possibility that the
best
forgetting could even be where someone
has graced the base yosef and i
mentioned in the first year the first
presentation over here with the rambam
that the rambam in a letter says he
forgot it seems from what we see in this
letter which is an authentic letter the
rambam forgot his macarius for some
things until he found it and that was
the story that we quoted in
okay and i'll just add tell me if you
agree it doesn't necessarily mean that
we have to understand this
the way we understand it today with our
friends we forgot something it could be
something on a higher level i mean to
say there's a fursuit gemara obviously
and you can't comprehend this on a human
level
right but whatever that means right so
mushroom is moisture but we can't even
talk you know so obviously it means
whatever that shikha means it was
some kind of
something
whatever it is that at that point it
didn't have uh
that the car
is that is that this fear
it's for sure fear especially the
further back you go in time no question
when we talk about avoids
but there's obviously there's for sure
such a thing out there that's not even a
doubt
okay
fine and one more question to address
and perhaps you'll address this in the
actual
conversation
is somebody
sent the following question
um he wanted to know what the
say about
he says it always bothered me that the
ulam has raised the mission of well over
there after several reasons and he lists
his reasons and obviously we're not here
me anu to be magnus our small heads into
these being haramagadalam but there if
i'm talking about
is that something you'll discuss today
so
as i already alluded to more than once
just briefly that
says two points over here that just to
say very quickly is as follows the
it seems and i've heard this from
different people i've seen a little bit
but not much
what bothers people is is that in the
neighborhood at least and we have
rakhine kanyevsky saying this and
ish which recorded parts of it last time
is that the mishna brewer
is so what bothers people is what's the
story with the um
time
so
number one is i had heard
and hearing is not necessarily um
from a valid source but i heard that
this niche had problems with our
hashocan and stuff like that
the truth is that looking through
rakhine kanyeski's farm you will see
that esky has no problem with
arkhashohan he's familiar with him and
he uses him casey there in
other khalakama
all the time he's really like him he
never says any bad things about him if
kazunish wasn't into him or even said
something zilzo the kebab zilzo and dear
madregas so to speak um he would never
really mention him
acid which is relating to his
he uses it extensively in
the
moon not that he's passing like every
one of them but he he's using him as a
person to discuss
so the the sentiment that i get from
looking in rakhine can you ask me not
terrorish about path from terrorism
that he does not have a problem with our
khashoggi in our cayenne as as far as
the pacific african the messiah of the
khasanesh for whatever reasons and and
skills based on that messiah was the
missionary now
um just to say here because i i i fear
that people will comment so just to
preempt the comments to drop
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he quotes it sometimes openly sometimes
he's referring to statements
in it without saying openly
tim hinken in his work tariq
to be involved with the producing of the
book um has a small chapter about this
chaval he
was probably going to write a much
bigger chapter but we don't have all the
materials but we have some and it's
found a little bit found in the book
and he shows such a thing that the
sometimes to be referred to
they got along they're coming they're
both litvax
the um
we don't know if they have any contact
personally with each other but we have
no reason to assume there was any fights
as far as we know we never no one ever
found that there was any such things any
controversies that they're both on
different sides even
has to understand is that
a brother-in-law of a native he's one of
the daily haddad of the time one of the
active most
he's involved with many of the
controversies
a very very well known pasek people
writing in chuvas and besides he also
wrote this incredible work called our
hashochan which we found that after he
died he also wrote called arakas
so basically he wrote systematically
unheard of things since the rambam
anyway
if in certain circles uh people tell me
them over malaysia say over there maisha
was very into that you go like on over
the mission rev heinken who was
also said similar type of things but
both rev misha and riven were also very
into the mission of
hankin knew the mission brew about
so they had their messiah and there are
definitely people i i've heard also
people from tamir riverman saying over
there vermin also said a similar thing
that
was the pasta it the the conversation
this is uh um um obviously telling a lot
of hearsay and possibilities but
whatever there's no question that the
shame shamayim both of these
were incredible works and they helped
they're they're going on different
approaches and different methods not for
now not this
we're trying to keep the podcasts this
to recline kanewski
just to mention one last thing about
this is there seems to be azil this is
a little bit that some people feel that
the reason about that they they're
trying to look why is it that kankanski
is not into
so they look and they based on this
messiah that doesn't really exist
anywhere which we don't have but they
say something to the effect that oh look
these mizrahi people they're looking for
a plastic to hang the hat on that he's
he's more cool addict than a mission
brewer such as
and there's a new revival for the arkhan
and it's
i've seen it a little bit i've seen
young people writing about that because
of all this hearsay to try to say oh
it must be something's up so let's find
the problematic thing like who are you
to talk about this i'm saying
was
was one of the great pisces before
before the war anyway i'd kind more than
enough of the on off the topic of of
this um this indian but this is a point
worth to point out um to avoid any more
problems or questions about this thing
okay so we're going to dive back in um i
brought the not have a chance to finish
up on the shanahan
and as we say thank you again for the
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jump right into what you wanted to
add to the last podcast
okay so just a few points one is that
it's very interesting i noticed the
lashes
of the
she talks about about the mishna brewer
he says what's his style of a safer he
throws in it's going to be kedera
hasafer
and and although the truth is it's not
really like i i mentioned briefly last
time it's not really like adam
gives much more
meat so to speak he says more reasoning
behind a certain succumb even in the top
part forget about the mishra saddam but
there's a special thing going on over
here which is that it was
and
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relating to other controversy the
countries that that letter was written
about when he talks about he says
and and and then he continues in the
letter whatever he's talking about in
the khazalish was very into the saddam
in general the stiper i also saw um was
very into the
saddam
and
also um i recently read an interview
about rugby daliano similar thing when
yarder to go with all the sakura
saddam impossible
and just to mention one last source is
there's obviously many sources and it's
its own conversation about the
i came across recently
sal arakov writes
that um he was from england he writes
how should one passkin
he says the svarim
the
he was maximum very much and he was
passing like them aloha
and he gave shirem on them
also rather gave shiraman
before he wrote his national brewer
accompaniment the safer was very
important and that's why he's throwing
out that it's he's copying on some level
the kids are level making you accessible
to the ghayeb that's why where
frankenski is being mad this
um this this product um
okay that con for that that um
one other that was one other point that
i wanted to mention relating to the
introduction
okay um
so you mentioned last time that shayna
hallaches
was sort of a sikum not a c coma if
that's the right word but focused on
bringing out the it was a tempsis maybe
that's a better word of the of the
mr brewer
um anything else you want to add about
the
maybe focus
yeah so two things one is
um two things i wanted to mention one is
that the the hasanish and the mishna
brewer so i recently came across a few
different stories how they i mentioned
that the there's the mice ish a lot of
times when someone's lifter so they come
out with material and then some a few
times more material mice many years
after the kazunish was nifty they
started putting out these volumes of
material about it has an ish and then
they put out four volumes and everyone
thought they stopped and then they made
an index and they put out volume five
afterwards and then a six and then a
seven
in one of the volumes they have a ton of
information just written from rokhan
kanyevsky about the khasanesh so there
he talks about a certain shiloh that he
had says
let's bring out a missionary and then he
passed him based on the mission brewing
there's other such stories in darfur
venue and in the
um was very into even though he does we
mentioned last week he argues on the on
the mission board many times that the
mishna was his go-to safer to look at
first before
uh talking about some things but that's
one aspect of shayna lachas and that's
where we mentioned that
and the mission of brewers but besides
for bringing down the hazarishes in our
let's say or other places that might be
relevant
i was i was looking
i i have not to to to be mine to be
mocked him i i cannot say that the
shayna lakers was a safer that was on my
table or that i spent a lot of time
looking at it in recent weeks i started
looking at it more and trying to figure
out what to say
after i came up with some different
things all of a sudden it pops out to me
i'm looking at a um
a sif in in shimon yutkas and then i see
he brings up sak from the kazanish
i'm like oh wow and bachchan just gave
me something to talk about um there's
files like this the the
and and i'll explain the significance
relating with the
specifically
the
many years ago i came while learning
hilton shabbos i come across this um
zeven wrote a piece and in the piece he
refers to say foreign and he says some
type of interesting thing from this
i i went to track it down i get it the
kitzer it's a safer from a rob in
germany who ends up he's born in the
1860s he dies in 1940 right after he
came territorial his name was ryan
bieberfield
anyway it's a small kitchener safer
written for the masses i think it was
originally written in german for
hamainam to learn halachus
okay
very very nice sweet safer and it had a
few pieces that that's how i got to it
or seven quarters certain way how he
said a certain thing and that's why i
sparked me to look at
anyway
eventually the safer comes to the
attention of victoria blitzky from ray
brack and he puts it out with different
sacrament editions after it's translated
from the german into hebrew
then
we're talking in binet brock it's coming
out of neighborhood
so at one point i believe it was in the
sixties
uh maybe even earlier or kalman kahana
well um he also added in a few pages of
succumb from the khasanesh and seems um
and one of the and there's about four or
five pages in here which has fascinating
succumb that he had a messiah from the
khasanesh so much so these section the
pages the few pages over here that has
checked over every single sack in here
and this is why kanewski is bringing
down for example
about what
this is one of the first places where
the fazness talks about
kashmir and chavez and his famous
now in shin
come across that he also brings the menu
and then he says and then he throws you
in for the following piece of
information where griezmann says that
this the khazanish was went over
carefully these succumb that he's
justifying why he
is justifying why he could bring this
down the answer is because this is
coming from kahana now the the
kamikano was very close with the
khazanesh and
le marshall he has a savior in her
husnida which became for many many years
the the
a safer that many hasanam used to use
when they learned
and in it
also went through it and has certain
succumb in there um that are quoted from
the safe from
now
the the recount this safer from
just just to mention mamas briefly
two two three other points besides i
mentioned there with robleski updating
the safer um where slim zalman writes
very very positive about the safer um
which can be found in one of the later
editions of this
where the son wrote a whole whole
history of his father how a tremendous
person he was and then zeven has like
one of his incredible book reviews about
the safer showing the khashevas of the
safer
and he writes
one of the fascinating important parts
of this safer is the succumb of the
khasanesh besides that at some safer
valdec and that's how i got to the safer
because of zeven using it on the
different area of his
but um he says arab amudham typhus
they're special halacha's goodbyes we
have from here that are negated
and um
even though and then he says even though
in this form of
we see him as a great god of the torah
and kia durer of zeven wrote about the
hazard
but we see over here his we see the
khazanish's knowledge and technical
aspects of modern day shiloh says
in these four pages of
and that's why it's very significant
this is where the khazanish
hishid is about electricity become
famous from and that's what what's his
name
is bringing down in here in derek
it's
in
in his china laches and it's interesting
is that evan at the time when he wrote
his book review in the 1940s
so at that time it was a small little
siber over time it became a much
much bigger um
sebur okay and one last pratt related to
this manuka
is that many times i always wonder if if
i'm going if i'm do
i look for you know a sign that i'm
supposed to be doing this or whatever so
i randomly pull out a safer in my in
this room i don't know if you could see
but it has a lot of sparring here and i
open up a safer which i took it down for
a completely different reason was buried
behind the various piles and i open it
up for something else and then i see
that they they have actually the
khazanish wrote more harass for the
minute that didn't get into all the
different versions of the manuka
based on a different draft of of these
rs and this is in this series that seems
to still be coming out called the nazim
but
hey
anyway that ad time the pride about the
khazanesh
and
the nation
what more information one could find in
this safer about that
okay you shared with me on the phone
that you have a theory and what prompted
him to write specifically at that
specific time
maybe you want to share your theories
with the audience
okay so i'm going to share a theory
the theory is it's a theory it does not
mean it's true it's just a
possibility um
to make life interesting they come even
even if the theory is not true the
information still is a little
interesting i hope and as we we already
remind them that we try to go on some
tangents along the way so we'll learn
about some tangents anyway
my theory is as follows the date looking
at the dating of the shaina halachus
i noticed now and one other point before
i get to the theory is that i saw in the
time sun which i've recorded a few times
about his father and he sometimes says
why did my father write such as such a
savior he says i don't know sometimes my
father didn't tell me i'm going to guess
certain events happened so i'm going out
peter derek of the khafichain song for
the mishabura i'm using that over here
for the
says his reason so those reasons are for
sure true i'm adding to the mix another
possible makuta now what i watch that
nakuda is i'm looking at the safer and
i'm looking at the dates when it first
comes out and i see the year is in the
1960s it comes down 1967 chanel okay
all of a sudden it clicked that in 1965
a safer came out
in arts israel which shook the whole air
to throw people were it immediately
became a bestseller sold thousands and
thousands of copies and this is the
shmir shabbos
at the age of 38
yeshua neuvert wrote his work which
eventually became the classic and for
until today the everyone has it it's in
every house america israel
it's translating to english also and
it's because
okay
so became an instant classic ready right
away it wins the with cook prize which
in those days there's a it still exists
i think i'm not sure if it exists today
but it existed for many years where a
bunch of people pick uh which is the
best safer and
in that time the the judge is one of the
judges was evan and he wrote in um he
wrote up why he and the other judges
came to the conclusion that the safer is
proper amongst the things is it's it's
how it's written amazing and it deals
with for the first time all the
complicated modern childhoods even
though the mission is the missionary but
there's many new shilohs that kept on
coming up and even though it's a short
period of time but a lot happened and
and continues to happen as we see so
shmi shams was the first such safer to
deal with many of these issues head on
and the style and many other things
about the safer attracted it and won the
prize and became very famous okay
now less known
at the same
also significant is that even though he
was a young 38 year old person writing a
monumental halachic work he was also a
talmud moovak of the great rush limit
and he wrote to save her today now why
did he choose to write the safer so you
already it seems to be already well
known and he writes about this in the
introduction in the newest edition of
the
skeletal that he was where he was during
world war ii for many years
he hid out in holland whole life is how
he got there and shabbos he had a mishna
hill for shabbos that was one of the
only farm he had he mastered it and
different fosm of being nizaran shmir
shabbas he held that he's going to make
in his business to
work on hillary chavez and which
eventually he does and he created this
work that he did okay now
what um what i found fascinating is his
vows
it turns out that
it was known that there was controversy
with the safer and there was a scammers
that certain people backed over the ass
commerce and certainly became famous and
then they were removed
turns out that the first edition which
is 1965 it seems that there is five
editions someone who wrote a uh master
paper on the schmidt
has located that there was five
different editions of the first edition
anyway this controversy like everything
else is there's controversies but what
was the controversy about
so
it's interesting
that um
the fir
the first the cooler that the
controversy was is that who
who began the controversy is the stiper
the great stipeler from bernay benebrach
wrote in a parrot of his in his mustache
where he talks about shmear shabbos
he has
and in this area he says i'm making a um
uh he's making a announcement to the
sibor that in our generation
there are people that are putting out
works
similar to
and he says
that they're they're taking they're
collecting succumb and with a
agenda i guess to be makel
from all different mcculloch
from all different works
are not reliable
they add in their own two cents
okay then he goes on he talks about it
further and then he says even though it
has haskamas
claus
okay and then he says i'm not being but
he doesn't say who he's referring to but
he chose in the in the 60s to write this
that right away was known that it was
referring to
um
and interestingly enough even as time
went on when various were
changed he never he didn't want to take
out this this piece even though it could
be because he held us an important piece
even if let's say he might have agreed
which we don't know but he might have
agreed to the sri show after all that
on some level
but but he didn't take it out because he
held there's a very important point here
a lesson that one needs to be learned
about writing
okay that so that's number one there was
this controversy and what i'm saying is
this controversy is led by
the stipe
it's fast forward a few years
and um um
dave landau writes a country's called
beardsvarum which is a 17-page conscious
he begins with the stipeler so now you
see now clearly that the staipler was
referring to
he's also from the nebraska on the great
building of today still and he writes a
vicious attack on the safer
it's vicious and um
some some arguments are general
arguments which is beyond the scope to
to go through all the different uh
problems that he had and one of the
problems you could see is
is how he feels how the
hassa is
he deals with how he talks about
kazanish this is one of the things that
he mentions at the end
and he feels that he's that sometimes he
has a problem with it or whatever
he feels the sri charms cause it has
some type of question and he'll push it
away and that's not how we're supposed
to deal with the hazard
and and you can see this is bothering
with landau and the stipler and this has
been a brock is very
very
much um bothered by this
by this thing so this is the background
of of what i saw
about the topic so far so now
my my point is
that
this is what's going on in these years
because there was such a because the
iraq place confessed it has an issue is
not being justified properly but being
presented in al-aqsa and the mission
brewer also even though the shrine
is a bucking nephilim quotes it many
times but it's being also there's others
farm being used and it's not the mishna
brewer just and and has an ish so bother
them as a sniper they landed so
frankenski went ahead and ishmael he
went and he wrote a hebrew to emphasize
here's the succumb of the mishnah here's
the succumb of the
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this is my theory behind
possibly behind another motive why he
decided to write the shayna office
interesting so i came across as a while
back david bashafkin who wears many hats
also
has a podcast
1840 and he did a series on shabbos
quite a while ago and i remember he had
um
on
who i don't know all the details
actually his son works for the ou
um review um his father i think was a
baker at that time i'm not sure exactly
where he was learning but he ended up
being the secretary
um so to speak to deal with all the
letters and all the that controversials
coming into here if nobody they've never
apparently or
you could talk about this probably more
was it
but also a tremendous
you know someone he wasn't you know
someone who liked hacking around and i
think he dressed he wanted a dress um
you tell me i think you looked you know
you listened to the podcast you looked
over the transcript and he talks about
this over there yeah
so he it's it's interesting is that yeah
what you when he sent me to this to this
source that he
he says that he he didn't want to show
rosham and orbach the letters that he
got from the nate brock these sharp
letters because they were also being
so
he he sort of like he didn't want to
hurt his rebbe in any form because he
felt it's not it's not fair to his rebbe
so he avoided it but he i think he did
it sounds like he did tell him that they
were proud that people raised issues but
and and then he went and he or he fixed
it up according at least you know on
some levels in the different editions to
at least to address some of the
criticism um that came out from the
neighborhood but a very it was a very
interesting interview that
sheffield had over there with this this
matia that he found the secretary at the
time um during this controversy he was a
young buffer and he saw these letters
which obviously i would love to see and
i'm sure people would love to see but i
doubt they're meant for the public eye
and um
and also double sheffield himself wrote
an article about the hashimoto's of the
safer shimmery shabby classic ice in the
end it did become the classic and it is
considered the the classic
um safari now but i want i just want to
be mangish over here that i'm not going
into which is really what's sort of
behind this
is that there's different approaches in
halakha it's not unusual
that sometimes different price can have
different sheets and when one learned in
the before world war two there were many
paisley they lived in different cities
different areas uh hungarian had one way
of sack and lit fish had a different way
of sacking them a different way
after the war this sword became more of
a melting pot and communications became
much faster so
black held their way for whatever reason
and then with the hazarish and even
let's say using the mission bureau
whereas you shall i am had their own
messiahs
young whipper snapper as they would call
them kashalam and he was a big talmud of
samurai and it was known that sakhari
then were were coming from with the
authority of
zalman so much so that eventually rosham
zalmanurbach went and he
went through the safer very very
carefully to make sure because people
told him every sack of yours is being
quoted here so you double check the
triple check that he used to sit in a
room safe yamaha to double to check
everything and release the volume of
tikkunim and mulum on all these sukken
so there's different approaches there's
also unbelievable we're not i'm not
anyone to be talking about who's i'm not
taking any sides over here there's
different approaches
who's
his uncle the cousin is his father the
sniper they that was the messiah that
they were going but at that time
the the the fight was it sounds like
from these letters from this this
podcast from
it must be very levitic i imagine if the
internet would have been around it would
have been even much worse
it has the nature of such a type of
thing that that could have happened and
today we see it died down although just
to be the same just on a tangent and
tangent that the sri shapes hustle when
it was supposed to come out and there
were other the union but there was a
whole deal when the newest edition that
we have this fat updated thousand page
version of olive came out there was also
tamils about how it's gonna shift if it
might shift away from the second
roshamazep
but this is beyond the scope of our
discussion
but now i'm just going to talk about two
more
um very short pieces relating to this to
not relating to relating that relates to
the shiny lockers but more about the
yachts
and that is like this
two of them are they're just both very
nice stories and they're very very
recent stories so that's why i feel that
they're very some of them people heard
of already okay one of the stories is
like this
there was a machon
the way i heard about the story first
was there used to be a newsletter um a
partial guillotine that used to come out
of a kind relating to kankanski stuff
that he said stories um tyra of his
weekly and someone was once in a while
cut a piece from it that he found
interesting he would send it on to me
and into one of the pieces it says that
a group of avraham they were about
someone was about to put out an addition
of the besikta
and they wanted to know if the the that
they would the edition they were using
was from someone slammer boober they
wanted to know people i guess they saw a
picture of him
and
they were very nervous that he didn't
look from and then they checked into
them and they thought maybe zamasu could
we use them could we use them for the
main source of our work that we're
putting there
so the the story goes they went to ask
from khan kenyansky and without going
into all the back and forth the
basically we're having a successes of a
fairy show missionary that you could use
the safer so like what says not so he
said we're not asking about the sector
we want to know is could we also use his
material this bubba himself
so kind of he says yeah
okay it seems they went to look they
couldn't find it it turns out and sim
and tofu tests if cut them base
as we just got finished saying this week
and last week how the time was so
important for and i hope to talk about
even more for the
esky it's about fair shame we don't need
to go any further so
this was what this was acute um usage of
his incredible the key is for the most
side detail found in a buried and some
charity and that was what he said now
the truth is that um
perhaps we'll talk about it more in a
different angle a different time but
the um
so later on what was the story behind it
is there's a machon called zikrani right
has printed numerous madrashim numerous
ghazals and many of these who was the
one who discovered these manuscripts
and they printed it it seems that after
a bunch of them someone made a big stink
it said how could you print it he's a
masculine now the truth is that this
question should have been asked much
earlier because if you're going to
almost any shoe in america and artistrol
in the shiva libraries most of the major
hazel that we have are meant not most
but many were printed in the past
hundred and fifty years by schlemmer
bubba discovered it he was prolific he
was who was he was this rich bala bus
very learned person who lived in galicia
born in 1827 until 1906 he was a from
shemitah it's just yes he did have to do
with masculine but he was from and he
was good he was on good terms with many
good islam we have manuscript letters of
him that were printed a bunch of years
ago with them album and and other people
um
so this mcconaughey was getting nervous
because people were making us think
about it but this thing should have been
made earlier on other from companies
such as vakshal the maznaine publishing
house also printed a bunch of farm and
no one really pointed out them but the
truth is that people did point out other
such issues whatever okay
now um just to assign two other protein
with this boober is that there's two
kudos over here that i think rokhanenski
was is really the main address to ask
such a question that is like this kind
of ascii was familiar with all of bubbas
madrashim he used them in all islam
the main question is not only about
using if he says something in the
footnote but it's also as a reliable
person printing manuscripts that's
problematic
who's familiar with them he quotes them
i mentioned in martial in the to say
from tattoos he quotes boober of
magister rooms but he was familiar with
all his form of boobers i imagine his
his library had all of them penciled up
and and the point is
he was a bucky niffler in in madrashi
ghazal as we discussed a little bit
already
he if he found pieces that were
problematic he would have pointed it out
and right away when they were walked
into he said boomer stay away from him
it's not only that have a time quoted
him with tyrus and maggie it's also that
kind
himself if there was something
problematic he would have known him what
am i what am i alluding to is that
there's many mid-russians that have been
printed over the years and hank nyevsky
um that collected in different forms one
such famous collection is is was put out
called it's a madrashim
at one point wrote numerous agonies on
them and and things that he felt
problematic he writes take out this
piece this piece is problematic so i
have no doubt that if boober had printed
problematic things that i guess he would
have picked up on it years ago and he
would have made a made pointed this out
one other thing about this bluebird
because of personal abuse for me
was that
a bunch of a few years ago i came across
i i put out a work
um from a maisha rhinos this maisha
rhinis was a was a son of ravinus the
famous revinus he died tragically at the
age of 20 21. anyway this um this
mysterious he ends up he was already at
the young age of 14 he's putting out
material and swarming and articles all
over
i when i i began a project to put out
his material i thought it was going to
be a small booklet of a few uh 100 200
pages and turns out
the volume ended up being this thick
750 pages and of material while i was
looking into him i came across he wrote
about boober turns out he wrote about
bubba in his lifetime where did he get
the material from from buber and he
wrote he had we i found from manuscript
24 letters of his two boober
and you see from these letters i printed
them in this in this volume called
and and and you see from here this young
16 year old guy writing to bubba at that
time was already one of the most
fashionable people and he's a rich
viewer also
he put out many many swarm he's one of
the biggest most popular people in the
city lambert i think lambert was but
he's a very well-known person on all
fronts and he had the 16 year old guy
driving him nuts four different things
it's amazing to see these letters i
printed them and and you see from the
letters that he's still answering him
even though he's bothering him a little
what you call maybe a little nick
possibly
with unbelievable patience and he helps
him he gives him material he and he
writes this moisturizer wrote a
beautiful the first essay while bubba's
alive about boober is printed in this
work anyway so i just have to mention it
only because to plug my own self of
something that i did
a few years ago okay that's one um point
and then just to messiah with one last
point again to show the keys of the sky
of
in the prophets kindness material
that is this came out during the corona
this was a tumult everyone was talking
about wearing masks not wearing masks it
seems at some point someone went and
asked what kind can you ask me about it
so hank says
what a bear locker talking about masks
during mageefa what's going on so it
turns out
if one looks to in the mishna bhura in
the beer halacha
we find
the safer pisces
this
that was going on in the 1830s and
onwards
how then he brings down about um
we are near your nose
you should wear some type of form of a
mask it was quoted as and you should
have something
smelling good so you should be able to
deal with the breath the breath because
it's people complaining you know have to
wear a mask
and it's it's a it's problematic so
where was this this was also buried in a
beer halacha in
dallas this is in the i think in hills
tish above area where he talks about it
so yes someone went ahead and wrote a
whole article about this during corona
many millions of articles came out about
all the different brought them but this
was a famous thing the key is from
kanyevsky somewhere out of the ordinary
that he found he opens up his like um
his bear locker located now just to be
messian because this is
once you're talking about this keyboard
and it played a role is that the the the
the this piskey oil is actually one of
those the hidden sources of the mishna
brewer it's first printed in 1901
it's an incredible massive work
on
it's this this is one volume there's
another volume also where slime
in in
already writes that we already know from
this diane this hash of a goggle wrote
numerous works beforehand with
tremendous ascamis this is
writing this work
you can say it seems that he really
wrote on everything but the point is
this has tons and tons of information
uh from multiple troopers and different
types of sources even
sources a little bit
excellent excellent safer it's not
really used today very few people know
about it is available in hebrew books
and but the um
didn't know about it he used it openly a
few times and seems also other times he
had other sperm of his and the martial
in his he quotes a different safer of
his and
just mcclell the stipeler also was very
it has two interesting things in one arc
in the archives at one point i see that
the stipler really liked sephora
malachim such as
he says um he brings down what was an
example the pisces
elsewhere he brings down that the the
stiper said that the pisgah islam had
problems with his vision
um
but when he but um
he made a promise
that if he's able to finish up a safer
and he and he was and he finished up his
safer and he was and he got back it
seems he got back his real stipler uh
brings it down in a different place and
they bring it down from the stipler in
darkness are big all in all i would say
is it's kadai to it's another tool to
die to be aware of and um as i said
the the it was used by the mission of
brewer and this were kind of
again when he was asked during the
corona all the different questions that
he was asked he said it's often a
mission of
so not only was he writing the
shenanigans he knew he knew the mishna
brewer even the most side pieces of
information the names of people quoted
etc etc
thank you
very much a lot of fascinating material
looks like we've kept this conversation
around the 45
minute mark um what's next on your
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